₦airaland Forum

jimyjames:
Whatever, all I can say is shame on gowon and awolowo for carving oil rich igbo lands to other states, we shouldn't be talking of going through the hard snail process if they didn't do the evil they did, such things were easily done under military regime

Yeah life's not fair as your parents probably told you. Now get to work if you actually want anything done about it.

jimyjames:
The case was submitted to the national Assembly since 1982 they were working on it before the military took over in 1983 and in 2010 the case was renewed

You couldn't answer the questions yet again. The process hasn't been followed just admit its been all talk no action so far by your elected leaders. The only thing that happened was Anioma National Council and Anioma State Movement in  Asaba made a request in 2010. As you know thats not the Constitutional process. Now that you know this you can choose to do the hardwork and get it done. Right now it seems like you only want to do is complain life's not fair.

post=105366787:
Anambra is fourth largest economy without all I listed, imagining where Anambra is heading....

You've started again with this again? Do you want to add your caveats like last time? Please let us know what's the states GDP is and who calculated it. Also mention which state Anambra leapfrogged since 2017 to earn the number 4 spot.

flokii:
When will Yorubas wake up and realize that SW deserves more than it currently receives.. There are oil companies in Lagos, Ogun, Osun but only Ondo is recognised as oil producing in SW.

The 5 SE states combined fits into Oyo state yet 3 out of the 5 now enjoy 13% derivation for oil producing states while big for nothing SW looks on. What is really going on with Yoruba leaders?

They will continue to look while they carve out 2 to 3 more states for SE and SW gets nothing. Why are we so docile in the West?? So annoying and painful.

Yawn if you believe this why dont you sue like Akwa Ibom and Rivers do when they get shortchanged? We both know they dont because there's no case. Even wants to victimized currency in Nigeria its so weird.

jimyjames:
A referendum was never approved for them

The steps simply weren't followed that's why nothing has been done. There's no legal means to deny the referendum once the conditions are met. If they did there would be something said and done by all your representatives.

What are the names of the representatives who made the request and what dates it happen? If they aren't the current ones why haven't they said anything? I really doubt step A even happened.

jimyjames:
The anioma's did all constitution demands but still nothing happened

What was the date referendum and what were results then? I'll assume A happen just to be charitable. I know for a fact B didn't happen.

Chapter 1 part 2 section 8-1

An Act of the National Assembly for the purpose of creating a new State shall only be passed if-

(a) a request, supported by at least two-thirds majority of members (representing the area demanding the creation of the new State) in each of the following, namely -

(i) the Senate and the House of Representatives,

(ii) the House of Assembly in respect of the area, and

(iii) the local government councils in respect of the area, is received by the National Assembly;

(b) a proposal for the creation of the State is thereafter approved in a referendum by at least two-thirds majority of the people of the area where the demand for creation of the State originated;

(c) the result of the referendum is then approved by a simple majority of all the States of the Federation supported by a simple majority of members of the Houses of Assembly; and

(d) the proposal is approved by a resolution passed by two-thirds majority of members of each House of the National Assembly.

jimyjames:
What previous steps enlightened me

Refer to the Constitution.

Chapter 1 part 2 section 8-1

An Act of the National Assembly for the purpose of creating a new State shall only be passed if-

(a) a request, supported by at least two-thirds majority of members (representing the area demanding the creation of the new State) in each of the following, namely -

(i) the Senate and the House of Representatives,

(ii) the House of Assembly in respect of the area, and

(iii) the local government councils in respect of the area, is received by the National Assembly;

(b) a proposal for the creation of the State is thereafter approved in a referendum by at least two-thirds majority of the people of the area where the demand for creation of the State originated;

(c) the result of the referendum is then approved by a simple majority of all the States of the Federation supported by a simple majority of members of the Houses of Assembly; and

(d) the proposal is approved by a resolution passed by two-thirds majority of members of each House of the National Assembly.

jimyjames:
Why hasn't it happened isn't it a referendum?

You didn't complete the previous steps of the process it's that simple. When did A and B happen before we even discuss C and D.

jimyjames:
Did gowon and awolowo follow this said constitution? Anioma followed the said constitution demanding a state of their own for a very long time now why hasn't it happened?

Why do you only wish to cry about the past when you have an opportunity to correct the matter today? Dictators rule by fiat so you're comparing apples to oranges essentially. State creation requires consent of the rest of the states to accept. If they dont get it it won't happen. I honestly doubt any new state will be created for fiscal and electoral reasons.

Chapter 1 part 2 section 8-1

An Act of the National Assembly for the purpose of creating a new State shall only be passed if-

(a) a request, supported by at least two-thirds majority of members (representing the area demanding the creation of the new State) in each of the following, namely -

(i) the Senate and the House of Representatives,

(ii) the House of Assembly in respect of the area, and

(iii) the local government councils in respect of the area, is received by the National Assembly;

(b) a proposal for the creation of the State is thereafter approved in a referendum by at least two-thirds majority of the people of the area where the demand for creation of the State originated;

(c) the result of the referendum is then approved by a simple majority of all the States of the Federation supported by a simple majority of members of the Houses of Assembly; and

(d) the proposal is approved by a resolution passed by two-thirds majority of members of each House of the National Assembly.

jimyjames:
Some igbo hating long lost Coco farmers, and our oyel gang won't like this development, shame to awolowo and gowon who carved oil rich igbo lands to river's state and Akwa ibom, we still have oil and Gas he who God bless no man can curse

You talk like those areas want to return to igbo land. Are you aware there's a Constitutional process for areas of a state to succeed and join another state? Organize today and make it happen if you really believe what you're saying.

Chapter 1 part 2 section 8-2

An Act of the National Assembly for the purpose of boundary adjustment of any existing State shall only be passed if- 

(a) a request for the boundary adjustment, supported by two-thirds majority of members (representing the area demanding and the area affected by the boundary adjustment) in each of the following, namely- 

(i) the Senate and the House of Representatives, 

(ii) the House of Assembly in respect of the area, and 

(iii) the local government councils in respect of the area. is received by the National Assembly; and 

(b) a proposal for the boundary adjustment is approved by - 

(i) a simple majority of members of each House of the National Assembly, and 

(ii) a simple majority of members of the House of Assembly in respect of the area concerned

seunmsg:
Yes, pending the final decision on the ownership of the well by way of boundary delineation.

Why hasn't Anambra or kogi gone to the Supreme Court to settle this matter expediently? Conflicts between states are their original jurisdiction.

Point two seems to indicate kogi is also an oil producing state.

grandstar:
This government does not give a hoot about Global Warming. Cattle rearing by the way is much more important than Climate Change. What does a man who thought that East Germany still existed as of 2015 about GW? The intricacies of Climate Change is way above his scope.

The tradegy of the commons situation I was referring to wasn't about global warning in particular. It was about over grazing the reserve due to little to no incentive to for anyone to limit their cattle population beyond the carrying capacity of the land. This idea seems pretty similar to the situation in England thats always referred in youtube videos on the subject. Green house gasses are an externality I dont even care to discuss.

grandstar:
Notw: Some are definitely criminals pure and simple or have become so in time as many gangs tend to become.

A 2 prong approach is necessary.

(1) Bring devopment to their areas along with aid

(2) Deal with the criminal members separately.

They want aid in the form of the state allocating land for them instead of using their personal funds to buy it. Note this is after they already get protectionist import bans. I really don't see how a tragedy of the commons event won't happen eventually since nobody really owns the land. The government also doesn't mention whos funds will run these reserves. Its going to fall mainly on the tax payer to appease yet another grouo. Do you think they'll be charged yearly fees for everything.

Omohayek do you think a tradegy of the commons situation will occur with the NLTP as currently constructed?

Cutezt:
why should we divide Jos north? the Berom's Anaguta, etc, have been co-existing in Jos north for long and the seats are rotated and shared, That guy is a fulani Terrorist, he wants us to divide it so our numbers can be reduced so he and his miscreants can come and take over one after the other.

Agreed his solutions doesn't make sense to me either. Its cowardly appeasement politics. Nobody obligated to do anything he's requesting but they are expected to live in peace with their neighbors. My solutions are simple. Just let people defend themselves and decentralization of police and prisons. This is a law and order issue caused by criminals they need to be dealt with with force.

1. Liberalize gun laws for expanded ownership
2. Decentralize policing and prisons by simple deleting section it from.
3. States need regulate the activities of herdsmen.
4. Nigeria needs to take border security seriously.

Cutezt:
We are middle belt, not north. It is a forced marriage that must not go on.

garfield1:
Division of jos north lga or a legal agreement to rotate power there

Since you said we I'll assume you're from Plateau. How do you feel about his solutions he offered? Is that an acceptable solution to the murders?

garfield1:
Redrawing or creating new lgas is easier than creating states.majority of the settlers will welcome this,its left for the indigenes to agree...but in the mean time, the state can create lcdas and then there should be power sharing arrangement for offices like chairmanship,the two assembly seats and one reps seat.if the chairman is a settler,reps can be indigene while the two assembly seats will be equally shared.a situation where one group seeks to corner all the offices breeds crisis

They dont have to agree just understand that. If they settlers don't agree live in peace my solution is the best for that reason. Its just weird to me people think they're entitled to position of power but the politics tends to attract reprobates who don't care to build anything. You want to expand government not to provide more services or for better administration but to give people a title and appease criminals.

garfield1:
Division of jos north lga or a legal agreement to rotate power there

Good now you've finally made a useful contribution to the discourse. As I said before areas of state succeeding have a Constitutional process. Since there's no opinion polling I don't know if such a move would be popular on the LGA. A simple town hall discussing the issue with state reps in attendance can have this settled in a few months. Redrawing LGA boundaries is much easier than creating a new LGA or having them succeed to new state. I dont know if the other solution is legal but thats what the courts exist for.

Chapter 1 part 2 section 8

(3) A bill for a Law of a House of Assembly for the purpose of creating a new local government area shall only be passed if -

(a) a request supported by at least two-thirds majority of members (representing the area demanding the creation of the new local government area) in each of the following, namely -

(i) the House of Assembly in respect of the area, and

(ii) the local government councils in respect of the area, is received by the House of Assembly;

(b) a proposal for the creation of the local government area is thereafter approved in a referendum by at least two-thirds majority of the people of the local government area where the demand for the proposed local government area originated;

(c) the result of the referendum is then approved by a simple majority of the members in each local government council in a majority of all the local government councils in the State; and

(d) the result of the referendum is approved by a resolution passed by two-thirds majority of members of the House of Assembly.

(4) A bill for a Law of House of Assembly for the purpose of boundary adjustment of any existing local government area shall only be passed if-

(a) a request for the boundary adjustment is supported by two-thirds majority of members (representing the area demanding and the area affected by the boundary adjustment) in each of the following, namely -

(i) the House of Assembly in respect of the area, and

(ii) the local government council in respect of the area, is received by the House of Assembly; and

(b) a proposal for the boundary adjustment is approved by a simple majority of members of the House of Assembly in respect of the area concerned.

garfield1:
I want to proffer solutions but a lot of people including you won't want to hear it.we are talking of plateau and there are no idp caps there.if you have followed the history of jos crisis,you will see that weapons are not the problem.the fg is even neutral,the past Governor Jonah hang was very biased in favour of his berom people....
In this last crisis,the indigenes attacked first and they were heavily armed so the question of guns and liberalization of gun laws does not arise.we need a political solution...your solution will prolong the crisis

Stop lying if you want to profer a solution you would just post it. Nobody coming to beat you so just spit it instead of being scared of criticism. We both know you just want to an endless argument with no solutions to show. Your cowardly nonsense doesn't make any sense.

Cutezt:
To have Jos to themselves, let it become a northern state.

There's a Constitutional process for areas of a state to succeed. If they truly wanted that they'd go about lawfully.

Chapter 1 part 2 section 8-2

An Act of the National Assembly for the purpose of boundary adjustment of any existing State shall only be passed if- 

(a) a request for the boundary adjustment, supported by two-thirds majority of members (representing the area demanding and the area affected by the boundary adjustment) in each of the following, namely- 

(i) the Senate and the House of Representatives, 

(ii) the House of Assembly in respect of the area, and 

(iii) the local government councils in respect of the area. is received by the National Assembly; and 

(b) a proposal for the boundary adjustment is approved by - 

(i) a simple majority of members of each House of the National Assembly, and 

(ii) a simple majority of members of the House of Assembly in respect of the area concerned

garfield1:
You are tge one that is lost actually.both the settlers and indigenes are heavily armed and attacking each other year by year but unfortunately the indigenes are at the receiving end....the security forces have not intervened.there was a time that the indigenes cried out that they were being wiped out

Lol no they're not heavily armed. Most of them don't shoot back and simply opting to live in IDP camps. If you read point 2 you would notice this is reason for Decentralized policing and liberalization of gun laws. The Federal government is clearly biased towards one side. It seems you'd rather speak alot but profer no solutions. Please come up with 1.

garfield1:
You have refused to touch the politics of settler/indigene in jos north

Its irrelevant to my argument. If people are allowed to defend themselves the issue dies down regardless of petty politics. Lol all your political pontificating and your still lost looking for an answer.

garfield1:
The jos crisis has lingered for too long alongside the southern kaduna killings? How can it be settled once and for all?

The answer is simple but there's no political will do anything remotely useful.

1. Liberalize gun laws for expanded ownership.

People can easily defend themselves if they allowed to with fear of being thrown in prison.
Notice when people are allowed to defend themselves the agents of the state tell you not to take matters in your own hands. The police are only good at counting the dead bodies.

2. Decentralize policing and prisons by simple deleting section it from.

The state assemblies can go from there and figure out how to structure them. Right now the busy bodies at the assembly want to dictate to the states how to structure policing instead of worrying about the federal agencies they already suppose to be overseeing.

2b. Prisons also need to be Decentralized but people neglect to mention it. Its better the state holds these guys so there's no opportunity for amnesty nonsense.

3. States need regulate the activities of herdsmen.

4. Nigeria needs to take border security seriously.

Start by enforcing ecowas protocols on herdsmen. Deport foreigners who have no business being here.

1000angstroms:
We know the truth, wasn't it sanusi who went to south sudan to be mentored under osama bin laden? You actually told us the truth, you know you fulanis don't think far, your reasoning doesn't pass your nose, you think most of us are fools and don't know history, we are waiting for you guys, keep deceiving yourselves.

That what you'll go to court with to call someone a murderer. Lol you guys are clowns if that's the case. None of those things are prove of anything but your foolishness sadly.

grandstar:
Reports have it they are not Nigerian. Also, an Economist report has it that it's not only Nigeria that suffers from them in West Africa.

I've read articles claiming some are the members are foreigners but its mainly from Nigeria. If I remember it was from thenewhumanitarian. Next I noticed you didn't mention the nationalities of these foreigners. Also consider the fact the government and individuals who negotiate with them don't mention them being mainly foreigners. Its usually reported they're fulani. Then they insert sob story.

Lastly because they exist in other countries doesn't mean they from there. I've been saying the government should start reporting demographic information in crime stats for this reason. I dont see why they leave this information up for speculation in the first place. We should know ethnicity, nationality; age sex etc. The current stats as they used to be published are trash.

SmartyPants:
How does a head get on a stake if not after being beheaded?

Have you been inside a classroom before?

Reread the sentence clown he said his body was placed on a stake not head. The story on his murder didn't mention his head being placed on a stake hence the story changed again in the last 26 years.

grandstar:
These bandits are not nigerian. They are foreigners.

Mayour11:
But I guess Nigerians are also part of the squad.

You know this because you interviewed them? What are the names and nationalities of these bandits that were arrested? I really don't understand why you guy like pretending your criminality isn't mainly a domestic issue. If these guys were foreign wouldn't the solution be better border security. Last why aren't these foreigners being deported back to their home countries.

psucc:
@ bold who will change it?

If the laws are declared unconstitutional by the Supreme Court they're null and void.

psucc:
You have a good point there but the issue is, will an average Muslim forgives the fellow when the SC exonorates him/her?
No! He still wears the "death sentence" tag and killed at any moment and no arrest whatsoever is made let alone bringing somebody to justice. That's the kind of scenario we have

Who cares how they feel about the judgements. If they dont like the laws either amend them or succeed. He doesn't have to live in the North after he's free BTW. Once the laws are changed they have no legal authority to enforce such rules.

BluntCrazeMan:
Is there any possible remedy to this??
Or do we continue to complain and argue and quote some legal paragraphs here??

The remedy is to go to court and get it overturned at the Supreme Court. Thats what the atheist are doing about blasphemy laws in Nigeria.

The Constitution is routinely violated because nobody challenges them in courts. Lets look at blasphemy laws for example. They're clearly illegal because they violated free expression but until it gets to the Supreme Court They're here to stay.

FarahAideed:
You have been trying to impress Buhari govt for ages so they can hire you and Dem still no send you ...see mister carry that your mass com cert and do something better than trying support and evil govt ...Nigeria is being overun by radical islamist and you will soon find out ...

Lol you've started your mumu rambling because you can't explain why no leader despite tons of evidence has prosecuted him after 26 years. Your boy Johnathan didn't do it bespite having the power to. Gabduje who hated him didn't do it. Even Abacha didn't bother to. Face reality this Conspiracy theories is fake and doesn't make any sense.