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livingchrist:You are confused. Just like faith without works is dead. Love without obeying the commandments is dead. Those who commit adultery claim they love their partner. The only love torwards our neighbor's that God accepts is the one that leads us to obey God's commandments. What's is the evidence that we love our neighbour? |
livingchrist:You lie. There are several place all through the Bible. In fact Jesus proved that to love God and ones neighbour is to keep the 10commandments . Here is a second example of Jesus asking one to keep the 10commandments inorder to have eternal life. Luke 10:25 And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? 10:26 He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou? 10:27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself. 10:28 And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live. And Loving God means keeping his commandments. John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments. John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. John 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. Jesus was clear on that, to earn eternal life you must keep the commandments, Stop twisting God's word. Matthew 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. Luke 18:20 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother. The commandments to love God and our neighbour is a Summary of the 10commandments. Matthew 22:35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying, 22:36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law? 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 22:38 This is the first and great commandment. 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. The same Paul that said we should establish the law. Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. Or the same Paul that equated Keeping the law to one loving God and his neighbour? Romans 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law. You see how am using God's word to disprove your false teachings? |
livingchrist:So when Jesus told people to obey his commandments as a proof of their love, he was referring to only those people? We are not included? How you sure Heaven as referred in the Bible is not only for those Jesus spoke directly to? |
livingchrist:The law of Moses could never justify one before God. |
livingchrist:So its obvious you are teaching lawlessness not the Bible. Most Relevant Verses Acts 2:23 Verse Concepts this Man, delivered over by the predetermined plan and foreknowledge of God, you nailed to a cross by the hands of godless men and put Him to death. Matthew 13:41 Verse Concepts The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness, 2 Corinthians 6:14 Verse Concepts Do not be bound together with unbelievers; for what partnership have righteousness and lawlessness, or what fellowship has light with darkness? 1 John 3:4 Verse Concepts Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness. Matthew 24:12 Verse Concepts Because lawlessness is increased, most people’s love will grow cold. 2 Peter 2:8 Verse Concepts (for by what he saw and heard that righteous man, while living among them, felt his righteous soul tormented day after day by their lawless deeds), Acts 2:22 Verse Concepts “Men of Israel, listen to these words: Jesus the Nazarene, a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and signs which God performed through Him in your midst, just as you yourselves know— 2 Thessalonians 2:7 Verse Concepts For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only he who now restrains will do so until he is taken out of the way. Matthew 23:27-28 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs which on the outside appear beautiful, but inside they are full of dead men’s bones and all uncleanness. So you, too, outwardly appear righteous to men, but inwardly you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness. 1 Timothy 1:9 Verse Concepts realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers Romans 4:7 Verse Concepts “Blessed are those whose lawless deeds have been forgiven, And whose sins have been covered. Titus 2:14 Verse Concepts who gave Himself for us to redeem us from every lawless deed, and to purify for Himself a people for His own possession, zealous for good deeds. Hebrews 8:12 Verse Concepts “For I will be merciful to their iniquities, And I will remember their sins no more.” Hebrews 10:17 Verse Concepts “And their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.” Source: https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Lawlessness |
livingchrist:Did Jesus change his condition for one to go to Heaven? Do you even know the meaning of abolish and fufill? |
livingchrist:You amaze me sometimes. Is it me that wrote this verses. Romans 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. If that is true than why did Jesus ask us to teach and keep the 10commandments? Matthew 5:19 King James Version 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. Why did he ask people to keep it inorder to inherit eternal life? Matthew 19:16-26 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? 17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. 18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, 19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Why did Paul ask us to establish the law? Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. Do you know that Christains and does who confess Jesus live by the law of God and those who do not live by God's law are called lawlessness. 1 John 3:4 Verse Concepts Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness. Can you tell me the law , is it US or Nigerian Law? |
livingchrist:Hebrews 7:19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God. You cannot claim this verse is referring to the 10commandments becos the bible has already told us that the law of God is perfect and makes one perfect. Psalm 19:7-14 King James Version 7 The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple. 8 The statutes of the Lord are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the Lord is pure, enlightening the eyes. 9 The fear of the Lord is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether. 10 More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb. 11 Moreover by them is thy servant warned: and in keeping of them there is great reward. 12 Who can understand his errors? cleanse thou me from secret faults. 13 Keep back thy servant also from presumptuous sins; let them not have dominion over me: then shall I be upright, and I shall be innocent from the great transgression. 14 Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O Lord, my strength, and my redeemer. And by keeping them one is kept from sinning verse 11 That's how to analyse and reason. |
livingchrist:Are you confused? Is the offering of animals not part of the law of preisthood and sacrificial laws? Which made nothing perfect hence the need of a new convenant. Hebrews 9:7 But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people: 9:9 Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; The first convenant was sealed with blood of bulls and rams by moses with the law. Hebrews 9:19 For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people, The second Convenant is sealed with the blood of Jesus Christ and the law. Hebrews 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance. In both convents the laws (10commandments) remained the same what changed was the sacrifice and the priest conducting it. Hebrews 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: Not my word but God's word. |
livingchrist:Using your logic if Nigeria abolishes the law on death penalty, means Nigeria has abolished her entire laws. Even if you or we claim that the 10commandments were also part of Moses law, there is no evidence that all of Moses law was abolished. Saying that is like one claiming that a country abolished its entire criminal law or constitution becos it abolished death penalty. Does that make sense to you? |
livingchrist:Is there any law in the 10commandments that talks about preisthood and sacrifice? Hebrews 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance. |
livingchrist:Hebrews 9:7 But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people: 9:9 Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; 9:11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building; 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us. 9:13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh: 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance. |
livingchrist:If it was the law what was it changed to? If you read carefully you will see that the law referred to is the law of preisthood and sacrificial laws and not the 10commandments. Why the earthly preist were required by law to cleanse and sanctify themselves before they enter into the temple to offer sacrifice for the people which they did yearly, Jesus entered once and offered himself once as a sacrifice for our sins. Hebrews 7:14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood. 7:21 (For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec 7:22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament. 7:23 And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death: 7:24 But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood. 7:25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them. 7:26 For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens; 7:27 Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself. 7:28 For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore. |
livingchrist:That means you are more confused and deluded than I thought. They are all called laws but have different functions and time frame like I said before. God specially wrote the 10commandments, why the others were written by Moses as instructed by God. Whether they are all the same laws as you falsely claim or not. The fact remains that Jesus told us to keep the 10commandments inorder to inherit eternal life. Matthew 19:16-26 King James Version 16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? 17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. 18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, 19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. If the law was abolished as you claim. Than why did Jesus instruct a man to keep it inorder to gain eternal life? You cannot deny it that it was the law Jesus quoted here. |
[quote author=Frontail post=101883311][/quote]Not at all. I don't take the talk of a minor seriously. |
GerogeI:There is little to no logic in this your statement. What happens to international law on maritime waters and sovereignty? |
Frontail:Same as you. The Zoologist. |
livingchrist:In your usual way you never see truth or less or suits your preconceived idea. The most important fact there is that it is the ministration that was done away with and not the 10commandments engraved on stones. You can look up what ministration means and how it was administered. Here is a better explanation. https://adventistdefenseleague.com/2020/09/does-2-corinthians-3-abolish-the-ten-commandments.html |
livingchrist:The problem is you spend little time on a topic, you barley research a subject before you make conclusions. Here is the evidence it was the law of preisthood that was changed becos of Christ and not the law. Hebrews 7:4 Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils. 7:5 And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham: 7:6 But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises. 7:7 And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better. 7:8 And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth. 7:9 And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham. 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron? 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. 7:13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar. 7:14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood. 7:15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest, 7:16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life. 7:17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec. 7:18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof. |
livingchrist:The law changed was the law of priesthood, only the Levites by law were supposed to be priest but Christ who was not from the tribe of Levites became our high priest hence the need to change the law. Hebrews 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron? Hebrews 7:17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec. Hebrews 7:21 (For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec ![]() |
livingchrist:You see how you are enforcing your lies that they are all laws of God inorder to fit your false narrative. Even when it is obvious that they are separate laws. See how you lie and add to God's word. If they are all laws of God does it mean God cannot choose the ones he wants to abolish ? What was changed was the Convenant not the law, besides in the new Connvenant the same law is written in our hearts not in stone, I know you will craftly ommit that. The fault was with the Children of Israel and not God's convenant. For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: 9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. 10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my LAWS into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: 11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest |
livingchrist:What is justified? |
ProfAmaben:Very true. |
codemaniacs:You sound like an Illiterate. Without Shell did Nigerians knew that their was anything like crude oil? how much more how to extract it. How many Nigerians in before Olobiri was discovered knew what an oil well or reservoir was? how much more how it works . All over the World multinationals operate in foreign countries and send profit back to their home countries or less your country is in Mars. From your writeup you are insinuating that Shell and the other MOC are one of the reason why Nigeria is not developed, thats wrong becos in Qatar,Kuwait, Saudi, UAE ,this MOCs operate in those countries and those countries are developed and are doing just fine. |
GerogeI:Dreamer. If that is true they would have also sold their offshore asset or is that one not covered by Nigerian sovereignty? |
chaloskyx:Renewable energy is pipe dream. Only one hurricane would put the whole World 50years back if we are to rely on renewable energy. |
SmartPolician:I concur 100% |
codemaniacs:Have you worked for an indigenous firm before? |
codemaniacs:Na lie. Just like your government has more passion to develop Nigeria? If you put your hope on indigenous oil companies you are lost. |
Frontail:See you dreamer. The whole Africa still dey try reach the level of one state for US talkless of this Zooland. |
livingchrist:Did you read yourself before posting? What do you know is confession? If that thief did not believe Jesus to be the Messiah he would not have acknowledged that Jesus was innocent, secondly that thief was remorseful for his crime becos he acknowledged that Christ did not deserve such death but they deserved it. This is something God desires from us Humility and acceptance of our sinnerfullness. To crown it all he pleaded for Christ to accept him in his Kingdom. Which other confession do you need? Do you need a native doctor or professor to tell you that the thief knew who Christ was and believed in him, for him to make such demands. From the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh. |
livingchrist:That's a lie. Do you have more faith in Christ than David? So why did David fall? |
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7:22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament. 7:23 And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death: 7:24 But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood. 7:25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them. 7:26 For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens; 7:27 Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself. 7:28 For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore.
