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Christianity Etc › Re: The Law Of God And Righteousness, Do We Still Need The 10 Commandments? by blueAgent(op): 8:28pm On May 15, 2021

livingchrist:
The law is good, but the mosaic law is completely fulfilled by the law of Christ, the law of Christ is love coupled with faith and holiness.

You are wrong.
1* the 10commandments are not the mosaic law.
They are 2 different laws one written by God himself the other written by Moses.
The 10commandments were placed inside the Ark of Convent showing their eternal nature.
While the Mosiac law was placed outside the Ark.

What Christ death fufilled was the sacrificial laws becos they were temporary and could not cleanse sin permanently.

Hebrews 9:13-10

The love of christ which you claim is the 10commandments,

Romans 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Ironically you wrote faith and holiness. The fact or truth is that one who has faith and love for God will obey God's commandments as a prove of their love for God.
In so doing the person becomes righteous

John 14:15-21
15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

John 2:4
He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Law Of God And Righteousness, Do We Still Need The 10 Commandments? by blueAgent(op): 9:35pm On May 14, 2021

Dtruthspeaker:
Good! But you did not take note of one of the Truths you declared up there which is "POWER"

Is The Law not Very very Powerful?

Do you Also remember this Law that that which is flesh, is flesh and that which is spirit, is spirit?

Does that Law not explain Also that that which is Holy, is Holy? Under here remember the Tabernacle, Incense and all which Moses consecrated to The Lord, so how can The Law which Proceeds out of the Mouth of God not be Holy?

And Remember Also that "Man doth not Live ... But by what?

Is Every Word of God Not Law?

Yes the law is holy but not the Holy spirit.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Law Of God And Righteousness, Do We Still Need The 10 Commandments? by blueAgent(op): 9:34pm On May 14, 2021

MaxInDHouse:
The circumcision has been there from the time of Abraham so know that Christianity has nothing to do with such laws that's where you are making the mistake.
Christianity is the principles leading to Paradise while the laws whether ten or 600 given to the nation of Israel was that rules that will help the Israelites recognize the Christ.
Once they're able to identify him they don't need those laws anymore, what remains is how to practice Christianity without violating the laws guiding their nation.
For instance, i'm a Nigerian so as long as i live in this country i'm subjected to the rules of the land but when the rulers come up orders violating my faith i'll say "NO" that's why Jesus was obedient to some laws but kicking against others in his time. The rulers were setting rules that's violating Godly principles!

All this one you are speaking is grammar.

God is clear those who keep his commandments are those who love him and will inherit eternal life.

No where did God write principles or guide.

Just as God was explicit and clear with Adam and Eve about eating the forbiddens fruit so also God is clear with humanity with regards to what he calls sin.

For your information no where did Jesus say the law has passed away or it's time has passed.
Rather he said Heaven and Earth will pass away but one dot or T will never pass away from the law.
Its Obvious Hean and Earth has not passed away so the law still holds.

How you overlook clear Bible verse like this inorder to teach your false doctrine is beyond my imagination.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Law Of God And Righteousness, Do We Still Need The 10 Commandments? by blueAgent(op): 9:28pm On May 14, 2021

livingchrist:
@bolded, the law cannot acquit a sinner, right?

According to the bible all have sinned, so the law already condemns all who sins, so if the law cannot make a sinner righteous, then what where you blabbing about?
The people that need righteousness are sinners, and ths law is powerless in that regard,

the law has no power to give life, the ten commandment is even called the ministrations of death.

Galatians 3:21
Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

2 Corinthians 3:7
But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

Your ego will not let you see the truth.

I hate repeating myself.

I said the law cannot justify us before God becos we are all guilty before him.

It took the blood of Jesus for us to be credited righteous before God.

All our past sins and debt we owe to the law of God is blotted us by the reason of Christ's death.

But from the moment we accept that gift, we are subjected to the commandments of God, we are expected to obey Gods commandments as a demonstration of our love for God.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Law Of God And Righteousness, Do We Still Need The 10 Commandments? by blueAgent(op): 9:23pm On May 14, 2021*

livingchrist:
If the theif didnt use the righteousness of the law to enter heaven, what does that tell you? Or does God have different standard for different people?

If the theif didnt die that they he would still vote to heaven, because Jesus gave him eternal life right there on the cross.
Ad for you going into sinning, because he is born of God he would not.

1 John 5:18
We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

God will preserve him

Stop confusing yourself 1 John 5:18.
Cannot be taken literally becos the Bible also told us that it is possible that we fall into sin.

1 John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

Christianity Etc › Re: The Law Of God And Righteousness, Do We Still Need The 10 Commandments? by blueAgent(op): 9:20pm On May 14, 2021

livingchrist:
If the theif didnt use the righteousness of the law to enter heaven, what does that tell you? Or does God have different standard for different people?

If the theif didnt die that they he would still vote to heaven, because Jesus gave him eternal life right there on the cross.
Ad for you going into sinning, because he is born of God he would not.

1 John 5:18
We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

God will preserve him

Jesus gives us the gift of salvation.

The gift is free and for everyone, accepting the gift is not hard everyone does that but keeping it is what matters.

What takes you to Heaven is not just accepting the gift of salvation Christ gave us, but you following Christ to the end.
Have you read about the 5 foolish virgins?

Christianity Etc › Re: The Law Of God And Righteousness, Do We Still Need The 10 Commandments? by blueAgent(op): 9:17pm On May 14, 2021

livingchrist:
If the theif didnt use the righteousness of the law to enter heaven, what does that tell you? Or does God have different standard for different people?

If the theif didnt die that they he would still vote to heaven, because Jesus gave him eternal life right there on the cross.
Ad for you going into sinning, because he is born of God he would not.

1 John 5:18
We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

God will preserve him

Now I get you, were all this crap is coming from, you believe in once saved forever saved.

What a false doctrine.

Was Adam and Eve not born of God?

Were Satan and Angel's not called the sons of God?
So why did they all sin?

Christianity Etc › Re: The Law Of God And Righteousness, Do We Still Need The 10 Commandments? by blueAgent(op): 9:15pm On May 14, 2021

livingchrist:
Good you saw it, yourself, that there is a law of faith which you conveniently ignore.
Those who depend on faith fulfills the whole law, how through love.
See, as long as a man walks in the spirit he is above the law.

Galatians 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

This is the full text stop cherry picking verses.

Romans 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

You can see that those in the flesh oppose or are enemy to God's law, and it leads to death.

But those in the spirit are friends to God's law and it leads to life and peace.

The Summary is that the law of the spirit or faith you claim is still the 10commandments be obeyed and observed the people in in their spirit.
When people obey God in their thoughts,mind, will and action that what it means to be in the spirit

Christianity Etc › Re: The Law Of God And Righteousness, Do We Still Need The 10 Commandments? by blueAgent(op): 9:11pm On May 14, 2021

livingchrist:
Good you saw it, yourself, that there is a law of faith which you conveniently ignore.
Those who depend on faith fulfills the whole law, how through love.
See, as long as a man walks in the spirit he is above the law.

Galatians 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

You just post verses or state things without evidence.

The law of the spirit is the 10commandments it is not different.
Romans 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

Romans 8:7
Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

Carnal minded people do the things of the flesh not spirit.

Romans 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

Can you see that to be spiritual minded one has to be friend with the law of God.

Becos those who are carnally minded do things of the flesh and are enmity to the law of God.

James also expands on the
spiritual intent of the 10 Commandments. He called God’s law the royal law (James 2: cool

. How is it a “royal law”? It is the law of the Kingdom of God, and Jesus Christ will return as King of Kings in that Kingdom(Revelation 19:16).
James also called it the perfect law of liberty (James 1:25; 2:12). James compares the law with a mirror (1:23-25). Just looking in the mirror—just knowing the perfect law of God—is not enough. We must use God’s help to make the changes in ourselves and show the love to others and God that the law shows us.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Law Of God And Righteousness, Do We Still Need The 10 Commandments? by blueAgent(op): 8:49pm On May 14, 2021

livingchrist:
take your time and reread your write up and see how confused you are!

You seem to believe that we start by faith and made perfect by law, you are wrong!

Galatians 3:2-3 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

Paul said we start by faith and made perfect by that same faith, no branching at all!

Do you know what it means to fall from grace?

It is actually starting by faith and after then branching off to justification by the law.

Galatians 5:4
Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Is amazing how you ignored the verses I gave, you did not even try to refute them only for you to digress to another misquoted verse.

Note .
Not every where Law is mentioned in the bible does not refer to the 10commandments, some are referring to the law of priesthood and sacrificial laws.

You just lump everything together without read in context ,and that's the very reason you are confused.

We start by faith and end by faith, but any faith that does not produce works is dead.
The question is what are the works?they are obedience to God's commandments.

Law and faith are not opposing each other rather they compliments each other.
it is when one has faith that he obeys the commandments of God because he knows that God rewards those who diligently seek him.

This are facts no amount of your wishful thinking will change that.

Galatians 5:4 must be understood from the context.
One cannot be saved by keeping only the law without Christ dieing, like I said before there is debt to be paid.

What gave us salvation is the death of Christ which we recieve by faith and not keeping the law.

His death gave us justification before God,

This thing is easy and simple to understand but your ego will not let you.

For example if a man is found guilty of a crime and was sentenced to death, and before his day of execution another man without a criminal record came forth and took the penalty of death on behalf of the man who was sentenced to death.
The first man was cleared of his guilty and was before the law justified.

We all know that the first man has be saved by grace becos he never earned it or worked for it by keeping the law rather he was guilty before the law.

From that point his criminal records has been wiped clean and he is a free man before the judge and law.

Let me ask you, is this free man expected to obey the law of the land or is he expected to break more of the law knowing what it cost, for him to gain his freedom.

it cost an innocent man's live inorder to set him free.

This is a typical example of the story of man's salvation.
Christ is the man that offered his life as a ransom inorder to save the life of the first man(humanity).

Why the first man is now free from the penalty of the law, he should in no way break the law again.

Please go and look for meaning of grace is obvious you and many others do not understand its meaning.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Law Of God And Righteousness, Do We Still Need The 10 Commandments? by blueAgent(op): 8:21pm On May 14, 2021

Dtruthspeaker:
The Holy Spirit is The Law Fool that's what I wanted BlueAgent to find out for Himself!

And The Holy Spirit has been since the beginning of the world!

And The Holy Spirit has not changed not even once neither will it divide itself!

So uncle teacher that knows The Law more than THE LAW, (The Holy Spirit) when did Abraham break A Law to ground your foolish submission that The Law can be broken yet you can be "Justified" outside The Law as Abraham was?

Answer this questions validly and I shall publicly apologize for my trespasses!

Answer me if you can!

If you were indeed filled Truly with The Holy Spirit He will give you the Answer to Shut me Up as He gave Paul and the Disciples, so Answer the questions

Do you find Abraham breaking The Law? Does The Law not call for Obedience to God? Did Abraham not Obey God continually? So when how could he have broken The Law!

You are partly right, but the Holy spirit is not the law, the Holy spirit is the spirit of God, which is his presence, glory ,power, will.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Law Of God And Righteousness, Do We Still Need The 10 Commandments? by blueAgent(op): 8:19pm On May 14, 2021

Dtruthspeaker:
Because he is a False Prophet like those in Acts 15 whom Christ warned must come!

I think he is just confused.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Law Of God And Righteousness, Do We Still Need The 10 Commandments? by blueAgent(op): 8:19pm On May 14, 2021

Dtruthspeaker:
I hope you now know that you are Wrong for Christ is The Law1

That's wrong Christ is not the law.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Law Of God And Righteousness, Do We Still Need The 10 Commandments? by blueAgent(op): 12:10pm On May 14, 2021

livingchrist:
Then you dont know neither understand the gospel.

Good you agree that Righteousness exist outside the law.

Where in that verse does it say once a person repents?
To repent simply means to change ones mind even God is said to repent, to repent does make one righteousness, one is righteous once he believes on Jesus anything outside that is simply self deception.

After one is saved right, which means salvation does not come through doing the commandments.
After one is saved, he simply walks in the faith of Jesus christ.

really, so God's imputed righteousness cannot get you to heaven except the man made one?, elevating the creature above the creator.
I sorry for you.

Paul counted his own righteousness as dung for that of christ.

He said he does not want to be found having his own righteousness hence he ran to take cover.

Meaning it is an eternally disastrous thing to be found with your own righteousness.

Philippians 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

christ died for everyone but not everyone put their faith on Christ and his wonderful finished work on the cross.
Following christ and placing ones faith in him are directly linked, the cross is the persecution that goes along with faith in /following christ.

Holy living is not a way to claim righteousness neither eternal life, the way to claim eternal life is by placing ones faith in Christ and his works.

Holy living is the end product of sanctification, while sanctification comes after placing ones faith in Christ and his work.

Repentance simply means to stop believing contrary to the gospel but accept the gospel.

The righteousness of God through Christ is the only righteousness that make us children of God and joint heirs with christ.

As long as one continue in the faith of Jesus christ, one is has the righteousness of God and assured of heaven.

To work out salvation and to work for salvation are not the same.

To work out ones salvation simply means living in line with ones salvation experience.

Phillipians said work out your salvation even as God is working in you both to will and to do.
Note, he said God is the one working in you in your will and actions.
Phillipians is treating salvation as an experience which God does in believers, the believer also should manifest what God has worked inside him.

Let's explore and understand God's word.

Romans 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

*Under the law here means been under its penalty which is death.
And everyone one of us is guilty before God.

3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

*No one can claim he is innocent before God by keeping the law, becos we are all guilty before him.
It's the law that points out our sins.

3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

*Here God offers us righteousness which we did not earn or work for that's why it is without the law.
It was not earned by us keeping the law for we were all sinners when Christ died for us. neither did anyone persuade God or Jesus to die for us.

3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

*The righteousness is for all as long as you believe.

3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

* Christ righteousness stands in place of all our past sins, God no longer sees our past sins but he sees the righteousness of Christ.
Note:The righteousness is for all our sins, our past sins

3:26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

* Becos we did not earn or work for it no one can boast of he earning it.
It's a gift from God.

3:29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also: 3:30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.

*God justifies everyone weather Jew or Gentiles.

Here is the interesting part.Paul is asking Do we now void the law(10commandments) becos of faith?

3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

The answer is No, rather we establish it.
Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Law Of God And Righteousness, Do We Still Need The 10 Commandments? by blueAgent(op): 11:51am On May 14, 2021

livingchrist:
Then you dont know neither understand the gospel.

Good you agree that Righteousness exist outside the law.

Where in that verse does it say once a person repents?
To repent simply means to change ones mind even God is said to repent, to repent does make one righteousness, one is righteous once he believes on Jesus anything outside that is simply self deception.

After one is saved right, which means salvation does not come through doing the commandments.
After one is saved, he simply walks in the faith of Jesus christ.

really, so God's imputed righteousness cannot get you to heaven except the man made one?, elevating the creature above the creator.
I sorry for you.

Paul counted his own righteousness as dung for that of christ.

He said he does not want to be found having his own righteousness hence he ran to take cover.

Meaning it is an eternally disastrous thing to be found with your own righteousness.

Philippians 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

christ died for everyone but not everyone put their faith on Christ and his wonderful finished work on the cross.
Following christ and placing ones faith in him are directly linked, the cross is the persecution that goes along with faith in /following christ.

Holy living is not a way to claim righteousness neither eternal life, the way to claim eternal life is by placing ones faith in Christ and his works.

Holy living is the end product of sanctification, while sanctification comes after placing ones faith in Christ and his work.

Repentance simply means to stop believing contrary to the gospel but accept the gospel.

The righteousness of God through Christ is the only righteousness that make us children of God and joint heirs with christ.

As long as one continue in the faith of Jesus christ, one is has the righteousness of God and assured of heaven.

To work out salvation and to work for salvation are not the same.

To work out ones salvation simply means living in line with ones salvation experience.

Phillipians said work out your salvation even as God is working in you both to will and to do.
Note, he said God is the one working in you in your will and actions.
Phillipians is treating salvation as an experience which God does in believers, the believer also should manifest what God has worked inside him.

You just cherry picked verses and left out key verses.

Here is the full text.

Romans 3:18 There is no fear of God before their eyes. 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 3:26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. 3:29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also: 3:30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith. 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Please note verse ,22,23,24, 27, 28,31,

Christianity Etc › Re: The Law Of God And Righteousness, Do We Still Need The 10 Commandments? by blueAgent(op): 11:44am On May 14, 2021

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus is a Jew who was born bread and brought up amongst the Jews so he must live by the laws of the land.
But when it comes to what he established (Christianity) this has nothing to do with Jewish laws or traditions.
That's why he appointed another Apostle named Paul to TEACH gentiles how to practice Christianity that has nothing to do with Jewish laws or traditions {Act 9:15 compare to 1Timothy 2:7} Paul further explained that the Jewish Christians will surely have a difficulty distinguishing between Christianity and Judaism that's why Jesus appointed Peter to TEACH the Jews (circumcised) while Paul was appointed to TEACH gentiles (uncircumcised) Galatians 2:7

But even Peter was later confused because he couldn't distinguish between the law of the Christ and that of the Jewish community! Galatians 2:11-14

So you need more knowledge about the Christ, his laws (commandments) totally differs from the Mosaic laws! Jeremiah 31:31-34

This is the full text.

The Jews were boasting as people who had custody or teachers of God's law, they saw themselves as having an advantage. But Paul instructed them that having the Law was not an advantage to them but keeping of the law was what was required of them.

Romans 2:17 Behold, thou art called a Jew, and restest in the law, and makest thy boast of God, 2:18 And knowest his will, and approvest the things that are more excellent, being instructed out of the law; 2:19 And art confident that thou thyself art a guide of the blind, a light of them which are in darkness, 2:20 An instructor of the foolish, a teacher of babes, which hast the form of knowledge and of the truth in the law. 2:21 Thou therefore which teachest another, teachest thou not thyself? thou that preachest a man should not steal, dost thou steal? 2:22 Thou that sayest a man should not commit adultery, dost thou commit adultery? thou that abhorrest idols, dost thou commit sacrilege? 2:23 Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonourest thou God? 2:24 For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written. 2:25 For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision. 2:26 Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision? 2:27 And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who
by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law? 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Please note verse 26,27,28 and 29.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Law Of God And Righteousness, Do We Still Need The 10 Commandments? by blueAgent(op): 11:36am On May 14, 2021

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus is a Jew who was born bread and brought up amongst the Jews so he must live by the laws of the land.
But when it comes to what he established (Christianity) this has nothing to do with Jewish laws or traditions.
That's why he appointed another Apostle named Paul to TEACH gentiles how to practice Christianity that has nothing to do with Jewish laws or traditions {Act 9:15 compare to 1Timothy 2:7} Paul further explained that the Jewish Christians will surely have a difficulty distinguishing between Christianity and Judaism that's why Jesus appointed Peter to TEACH the Jews (circumcised) while Paul was appointed to TEACH gentiles (uncircumcised) Galatians 2:7

But even Peter was later confused because he couldn't distinguish between the law of the Christ and that of the Jewish community! Galatians 2:11-14

So you need more knowledge about the Christ, his laws (commandments) totally differs from the Mosaic laws! Jeremiah 31:31-34

The problem is that you cherry pick Bible verses to suit your false doctrine without putting all the verses into context.
The argument was that the Jews wanted the Gentiles to observe their Jewish laws and traditions which the 10 commandments is not.
They wanted the Gentiles to observe circumcision and Jewish feast days and sabbaths days.

But Paul instructed them that those things were no longer required by God from the Jews or the gentiles but what mattered was keeping the commandments of God.

1 Corinthians 7:19
King James Version
19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

Romans 2:25 For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.

Romans 2:26 Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?

Romans 2:27 And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?

Galatians 2:12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.

You can see that below that Paul and the Apostles instructed the Gentiles to keep away from Fornication,Idolatry and covetousness. All this are found in the 10 commandments

Acts 15:20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood. Acts 15:29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

Acts 21:25 As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Law Of God And Righteousness, Do We Still Need The 10 Commandments? by blueAgent(op): 11:27am On May 14, 2021

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus is a Jew who was born bread and brought up amongst the Jews so he must live by the laws of the land.
But when it comes to what he established (Christianity) this has nothing to do with Jewish laws or traditions.
That's why he appointed another Apostle named Paul to TEACH gentiles how to practice Christianity that has nothing to do with Jewish laws or traditions {Act 9:15 compare to 1Timothy 2:7} Paul further explained that the Jewish Christians will surely have a difficulty distinguishing between Christianity and Judaism that's why Jesus appointed Peter to TEACH the Jews (circumcised) while Paul was appointed to TEACH gentiles (uncircumcised) Galatians 2:7

But even Peter was later confused because he couldn't distinguish between the law of the Christ and that of the Jewish community! Galatians 2:11-14

So you need more knowledge about the Christ, his laws (commandments) totally differs from the Mosaic laws! Jeremiah 31:31-34

Total crap.
You keep confusing yourself.
God is not the author of confusion he does not have a different law or standard for the Jews and a different one for the gentiles.

God's 10 commandments was for the entire humans.
The only law that was specific to the Jews were the laws regarding circumcision and sacrificial laws and priesthood all this were done away on the cross because they were shadow of things to come which is Christ.
Hebrews 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. 10:3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.

Whether you are Jews or Gentiles, Weather you are Nigerian, American, Russian ,Chinese all the 10commandments are for you.
God will not punish a Nigerian for committing fornication while leaving a Chinese to do so.

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Law Of God And Righteousness, Do We Still Need The 10 Commandments? by blueAgent(op): 9:56am On May 14, 2021

livingchrist:
Then you dont know neither understand the gospel.

Good you agree that Righteousness exist outside the law.

Where in that verse does it say once a person repents?
To repent simply means to change ones mind even God is said to repent, to repent does make one righteousness, one is righteous once he believes on Jesus anything outside that is simply self deception.

After one is saved right, which means salvation does not come through doing the commandments.
After one is saved, he simply walks in the faith of Jesus christ.

really, so God's imputed righteousness cannot get you to heaven except the man made one?, elevating the creature above the creator.
I sorry for you.

Paul counted his own righteousness as dung for that of christ.

He said he does not want to be found having his own righteousness hence he ran to take cover.

Meaning it is an eternally disastrous thing to be found with your own righteousness.

Philippians 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

christ died for everyone but not everyone put their faith on Christ and his wonderful finished work on the cross.
Following christ and placing ones faith in him are directly linked, the cross is the persecution that goes along with faith in /following christ.

Holy living is not a way to claim righteousness neither eternal life, the way to claim eternal life is by placing ones faith in Christ and his works.

Holy living is the end product of sanctification, while sanctification comes after placing ones faith in Christ and his work.

Repentance simply means to stop believing contrary to the gospel but accept the gospel.

The righteousness of God through Christ is the only righteousness that make us children of God and joint heirs with christ.

As long as one continue in the faith of Jesus christ, one is has the righteousness of God and assured of heaven.

To work out salvation and to work for salvation are not the same.

To work out ones salvation simply means living in line with ones salvation experience.

Phillipians said work out your salvation even as God is working in you both to will and to do.
Note, he said God is the one working in you in your will and actions.
Phillipians is treating salvation as an experience which God does in believers, the believer also should manifest what God has worked inside him.

The psalmist disagree with you that we do not need the law.

Psalms 37:30 The mouth of the righteous speaketh wisdom, and his tongue talketh of judgment. 37:31 The law of his God is in his heart; none of his steps shall slide.

Psalms 40:8 I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart.

Psalms 119:1 Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the LORD.

Psalms 119:150 They draw nigh that follow after mischief: they are far from thy law.

Psalms 1:1 Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful. 1:2 But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.

Righteousness outside the law Is christ righteousness imputed on us when we accept Christ by faith.

A typical example is the thief crucified on the cross with Jesus.

Immediately he confessed Jesus on the cross his sins were erased and the righteousness of christ was imputed upon that Thief , that thief was sure of eternal life.

The thief did nothing to earn it, from his life and crime its obvious he was a breaker of God's law.

But let assume that the thief did not die on the cross that day and was pardoned by the king and he want home free and righteous.
And later he went back to stealing ,killing, committing adueltry .

The question I want to ask you is that will he still be counted as righteous or a saved man?

Christianity Etc › Re: The Law Of God And Righteousness, Do We Still Need The 10 Commandments? by blueAgent(op): 9:49am On May 14, 2021

livingchrist:
Then you dont know neither understand the gospel.

Good you agree that Righteousness exist outside the law.

Where in that verse does it say once a person repents?
To repent simply means to change ones mind even God is said to repent, to repent does make one righteousness, one is righteous once he believes on Jesus anything outside that is simply self deception.

After one is saved right, which means salvation does not come through doing the commandments.
After one is saved, he simply walks in the faith of Jesus christ.

really, so God's imputed righteousness cannot get you to heaven except the man made one?, elevating the creature above the creator.
I sorry for you.

Paul counted his own righteousness as dung for that of christ.

He said he does not want to be found having his own righteousness hence he ran to take cover.

Meaning it is an eternally disastrous thing to be found with your own righteousness.

Philippians 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

christ died for everyone but not everyone put their faith on Christ and his wonderful finished work on the cross.
Following christ and placing ones faith in him are directly linked, the cross is the persecution that goes along with faith in /following christ.

Holy living is not a way to claim righteousness neither eternal life, the way to claim eternal life is by placing ones faith in Christ and his works.

Holy living is the end product of sanctification, while sanctification comes after placing ones faith in Christ and his work.

Repentance simply means to stop believing contrary to the gospel but accept the gospel.

The righteousness of God through Christ is the only righteousness that make us children of God and joint heirs with christ.

As long as one continue in the faith of Jesus christ, one is has the righteousness of God and assured of heaven.

To work out salvation and to work for salvation are not the same.

To work out ones salvation simply means living in line with ones salvation experience.

Phillipians said work out your salvation even as God is working in you both to will and to do.
Note, he said God is the one working in you in your will and actions.
Phillipians is treating salvation as an experience which God does in believers, the believer also should manifest what God has worked inside him.

You just using long grammar and sentence to confuse yourself.

Paul had ever exalted the divine law. He had shown that in the law there is no power to save men from the penalty of disobedience. Wrongdoers must repent of their sins and humble themselves before God, Whose just wrath they have incurred by breaking His law, and they must also exercise faith in the blood of Christ as their only means of pardon. The Son of God had died as their sacrifice and had ascended to Heaven to stand before the
Father as their Advocate. By repentance and faith they might be freed from the condemnation of sin and through the grace of Christ be enabled henceforth to render obedience to the law of God. [2]
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom, and the man that getteth understanding. (Proverbs 3:13, emphasis supplied)

Christianity Etc › Re: The Law Of God And Righteousness, Do We Still Need The 10 Commandments? by blueAgent(op): 9:44am On May 14, 2021

MaxInDHouse:
as we look intently at the Chief Agent and Perfecter of our faith, Jesus Hebrew 12:2

Just continue looking at Jesus the Perfecter of our faith, if Jesus engage in it then it's not forbidden for me!

Keep looking onto Jesus, he will make you perfect! Matthew 5:38

Stop confusing yourself Jesus obeyed the 10 commandments and instructed us to do the same.

Matthew 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. 19:18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, 19:19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Law Of God And Righteousness, Do We Still Need The 10 Commandments? by blueAgent(op): 8:46am On May 14, 2021

Goshen360:
You need the 10 commandments as a Christian? Continue oo and also remember to keep the sabbath because you break the law of sabbath which is one of the 10, you break all.....

Also, you want the 10 commandments to tell you thou shall not commit adultery right? Joseph didn't have thou shall not commit adultery before he flew....etc

One thing I know, the LAW was a schoolmaster UNTIL you come to Christ. 2, The law IS NOT for the righteous man....in christ! You're are a man of the Spirit when you're born again and men of the Spirit don't operate by the thou shall nots they operate by the Spirit.

The law was existing before mount Sinai.

How did Joseph knew that adueltry was a sin, How did God judge Sodom and Gomorrah if they had no knowledge of what God calls Sin?

Just like I proved in this thread only the knowledge of the law can help one to please God and abstain from Sin.

The psalmist disagree with you that we do not need the law.

Psalms 37:30 The mouth of the righteous speaketh wisdom, and his tongue talketh of judgment. 37:31 The law of his God is in his heart; none of his steps shall slide.

Psalms 40:8 I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart.

Psalms 119:1 Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the LORD.

Psalms 119:150 They draw nigh that follow after mischief: they are far from thy law.

Psalms 1:1 Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful. 1:2 But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Law Of God And Righteousness, Do We Still Need The 10 Commandments? by blueAgent(op): 8:34am On May 14, 2021

MaxInDHouse:
NO!
The laws were meant for the nation of Israel alone to help them understand the Christ when he comes but this people were so overwhelmed with the contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines taught by their religious leaders (who thought they were teaching them the laws) that they finally rejected the CHRIST that all their laws and prophets were arranged to help them embrace. John 1:11-12
So Christians don't need those laws what we need is JESUS CHRIST! Romans 10:2-4

Is Fornication, killing and stealing forbiden for only The Jews?

Christianity Etc › Re: The Law Of God And Righteousness, Do We Still Need The 10 Commandments? by blueAgent(op): 8:33am On May 14, 2021

Dtruthspeaker:
Yes, I Know! All you said here is Right and True, which is why The First Proof of God is, His Law.

For Law MUST come out from A Person and Always Comes out From A Living Being.

Which is why till tomorrow, a car or phone can not give Law because it lives not but an Animal can eg Dogs, Lions and their Territories, they Law their territories.

Secondly, Look at The Power of The Law, what do you see?

Look at the John 1 and other connected scriptures, what do you see?

True, you sometimes get people confused with your writeup.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Law Of God And Righteousness, Do We Still Need The 10 Commandments? by blueAgent(op): 11:20pm On May 13, 2021

livingchrist:
There is a righteousness that exist outside the law and that is the righteousness bu faith.

Romans 3:21
But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

Even the ten commandments and other laws bear witness of this righteousness.

It is a very big lie that no one can be righteous without obeying the law, Abraham was justified righteous just by placing his faith in the Lord.

Romans 4:3
For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

Genesis 45:26
And told him, saying, Joseph is yet alive, and he is governor over all the land of Egypt. And Jacob's heart fainted, for he believed them not.

The righteousness of the law is filthy rag and will take you nowhere.

Only the righteousness of Jesus can cover you.

As for the commandments, there is a law called the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus.

This is different from the ten commandments and at the same time fulfill the whole ten commandment and beyond it.

It is also called the law of the spirit because it fulfills the true intention of the law.

The law of the spirit is written in the heart of the saved, it is taught by he spirit of Jesus.

Hebrews 8:10
For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

While the ten commandments are good but it does not make anyone righteous.

Galatians 3:21
Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

Keeping the law could give life, then Christ would have not come.

Please also click and read.

https://www.nairaland.com/5624496/law-god-law-medes-persians

https://www.nairaland.com/3481406/did-god-kill-jesus

Christianity Etc › Re: The Law Of God And Righteousness, Do We Still Need The 10 Commandments? by blueAgent(op): 11:09pm On May 13, 2021

livingchrist:
There is a righteousness that exist outside the law and that is the righteousness bu faith.

Romans 3:21
But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

Even the ten commandments and other laws bear witness of this righteousness.

It is a very big lie that no one can be righteous without obeying the law, Abraham was justified righteous just by placing his faith in the Lord.

Romans 4:3
For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

Genesis 45:26
And told him, saying, Joseph is yet alive, and he is governor over all the land of Egypt. And Jacob's heart fainted, for he believed them not.

The righteousness of the law is filthy rag and will take you nowhere.

Only the righteousness of Jesus can cover you.

As for the commandments, there is a law called the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus.

This is different from the ten commandments and at the same time fulfill the whole ten commandment and beyond it.

It is also called the law of the spirit because it fulfills the true intention of the law.

The law of the spirit is written in the heart of the saved, it is taught by he spirit of Jesus.

Hebrews 8:10
For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

While the ten commandments are good but it does not make anyone righteous.

Galatians 3:21
Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

Keeping the law could give life, then Christ would have not come.

Yes keeping the law could not give life, becos the damage has already been done.
But mind you if Adam and Eve had kept the commandments of God death would not have reigned over them and their descendants.

As soon as Adam and Eve sinned against God the penalty of breaking the law of God fall upon them and their descendants, at this point no amount of keeping the law could save any man because there was a debt to be paid.

Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin,and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned.
1 Corinthians 15:56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law

Romans 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

Romans 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord."

The law requires that only by blood can sin be purged, of course it has to be blood of a person without sin.
Hence Christ offered him self as a sacrificial lamb to pay that debt which me ,you and all humanity owe God.

Hebrews 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

Romans 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

You can see that it required Christ death in order to free me and you from the penalty of breaking that law.

Now the question is after we are saved from penalty
of sin, do we go back to breaking the law?

Christianity Etc › Re: The Law Of God And Righteousness, Do We Still Need The 10 Commandments? by blueAgent(op): 10:58pm On May 13, 2021

livingchrist:
There is a righteousness that exist outside the law and that is the righteousness bu faith.

Romans 3:21
But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

Even the ten commandments and other laws bear witness of this righteousness.

It is a very big lie that no one can be righteous without obeying the law, Abraham was justified righteous just by placing his faith in the Lord.

Romans 4:3
For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

Genesis 45:26
And told him, saying, Joseph is yet alive, and he is governor over all the land of Egypt. And Jacob's heart fainted, for he believed them not.

The righteousness of the law is filthy rag and will take you nowhere.

Only the righteousness of Jesus can cover you.

As for the commandments, there is a law called the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus.

This is different from the ten commandments and at the same time fulfill the whole ten commandment and beyond it.

It is also called the law of the spirit because it fulfills the true intention of the law.

The law of the spirit is written in the heart of the saved, it is taught by he spirit of Jesus.

Hebrews 8:10
For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

While the ten commandments are good but it does not make anyone righteous.

Galatians 3:21
Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

Keeping the law could give life, then Christ would have not come.

There is nothing like the law of the spirit.
The same 10commandments God wrote with his fingers on stone is the same 10commandments he will write in our hearts. They are not different laws.

We worship God in truth and in Spirit when we only not obey the law outwardly but also in our spirit.

Jesus gave us an example.
When one lust after a woman in his heart although he has not committed the physical act but in his spirit he has sinned against God.

Matthew 5:27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

Same with when one holds grudge or anger against his brother, Jesus calls it murder and not just only the physical killing.

Matthew 5:21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

You can see that the same 10commandments are the same laws we need to observe even in our hearts and spirit.

Jesus never did away with the law rather he magnified it just as Isaiah prophesied.

Isaiah 42:21
The LORD is well pleased for His righteousness’ sake; He will exalt the law and make it honorable.

Its obvious from the examples I gave.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Law Of God And Righteousness, Do We Still Need The 10 Commandments? by blueAgent(op): 10:57pm On May 13, 2021

livingchrist:
There is a righteousness that exist outside the law and that is the righteousness bu faith.

Romans 3:21
But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

Even the ten commandments and other laws bear witness of this righteousness.

There is nothing like the law of the spirit.
The same 10commandments God wrote with his fingers on stone is the same 10commandments he will write in our hearts. They are not different laws.

We worship God in truth and in Spirit when we only not obey the law outwardly but also in our spirit.

Jesus gave us an example.
When one lust after a woman in his heart although he has not committed the physical act but in his spirit he has sinned against God.

Matthew 5:27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

Same with when one holds grudge or anger against his brother, Jesus calls it murder and not just only the physical killing.

Matthew 5:21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

You can see that the same 10commandments are the same laws we need to observe even in our hearts and spirit.

Jesus never did away with the law rather he magnified it just as Isaiah prophesied.

Isaiah 42:21
The LORD is well pleased for His righteousness’ sake; He will exalt the law and make it honorable.

Its obvious from the examples I gave.

It is a very big lie that no one can be righteous without obeying the law, Abraham was justified righteous just by placing his faith in the Lord.

Romans 4:3
For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

Genesis 45:26
And told him, saying, Joseph is yet alive, and he is governor over all the land of Egypt. And Jacob's heart fainted, for he believed them not.

The righteousness of the law is filthy rag and will take you nowhere.

Only the righteousness of Jesus can cover you.

As for the commandments, there is a law called the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus.

This is different from the ten commandments and at the same time fulfill the whole ten commandment and beyond it.

It is also called the law of the spirit because it fulfills the true intention of the law.

The law of the spirit is written in the heart of the saved, it is taught by he spirit of Jesus.

Hebrews 8:10
For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

While the ten commandments are good but it does not make anyone righteous.

Galatians 3:21
Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

Keeping the law could give life, then Christ would have not come.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Law Of God And Righteousness, Do We Still Need The 10 Commandments? by blueAgent(op): 10:46pm On May 13, 2021

livingchrist:
There is a righteousness that exist outside the law and that is the righteousness bu faith.

Romans 3:21
But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

Even the ten commandments and other laws bear witness of this righteousness.

It is a very big lie that no one can be righteous without obeying the law, Abraham was justified righteous just by placing his faith in the Lord.

Romans 4:3
For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

Genesis 45:26
And told him, saying, Joseph is yet alive, and he is governor over all the land of Egypt. And Jacob's heart fainted, for he believed them not.

The righteousness of the law is filthy rag and will take you nowhere.

Only the righteousness of Jesus can cover you.

As for the commandments, there is a law called the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus.

This is different from the ten commandments and at the same time fulfill the whole ten commandment and beyond it.

It is also called the law of the spirit because it fulfills the true intention of the law.

The law of the spirit is written in the heart of the saved, it is taught by he spirit of Jesus.

Hebrews 8:10
For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

While the ten commandments are good but it does not make anyone righteous.

Galatians 3:21
Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

Keeping the law could give life, then Christ would have not come.

Who said Abraham did not obey God's law?
Genesis 26:5
because Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws

Do you know that faith without work is dead?
James 2:14-26
14 (B)What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 (C)If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and (D)one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” (E)Show me your faith without [a]your works, (F)and I will show you my faith by [b]my works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is [c]dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works (G)when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see (H)that faith was working together with his works, and by (I)works faith was made [d]perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, (J)“Abraham believed God, and it was [e]accounted to him for righteousness.” And he was called (K)the friend of God. 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.

25 Likewise, (L)was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way?

26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

The question is what are those works?
Our works are obidence to God's word and commandments.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Law Of God And Righteousness, Do We Still Need The 10 Commandments? by blueAgent(op): 10:39pm On May 13, 2021

livingchrist:
There is a righteousness that exist outside the law and that is the righteousness bu faith.

Romans 3:21
But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

Even the ten commandments and other laws bear witness of this righteousness.

It is a very big lie that no one can be righteous without obeying the law, Abraham was justified righteous just by placing his faith in the Lord.

Romans 4:3
For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

Genesis 45:26
And told him, saying, Joseph is yet alive, and he is governor over all the land of Egypt. And Jacob's heart fainted, for he believed them not.

The righteousness of the law is filthy rag and will take you nowhere.

Only the righteousness of Jesus can cover you.

As for the commandments, there is a law called the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus.

This is different from the ten commandments and at the same time fulfill the whole ten commandment and beyond it.

It is also called the law of the spirit because it fulfills the true intention of the law.

The law of the spirit is written in the heart of the saved, it is taught by he spirit of Jesus.

Hebrews 8:10
For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

While the ten commandments are good but it does not make anyone righteous.

Galatians 3:21
Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

Keeping the law could give life, then Christ would have not come.

You misunderstand God's word and take verses out of context.

Righteousness outside the law is the righteousness which God confers to everyone through Christ by faith. It is a gift from God.
You must understand that God confers righteousness on all repented sinners.
What this verse is telling us is that once a person repents, his sins are bloated out and the righteousness of Jesus is imputed in place of the persons sins( of cause sin is breaking of the law) so this is righteousness outside the law becos it was not earned by the sinner by observing God's commandments in the past.

Now the question is after the person has been saved should the person go back to sin or not?

God confers righteousness on everyone of us,But it does not grantuee one into Heaven, everyone of us must work out our salvation.
Philippians 2:12 ►
Context Crossref Comment
Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling

The fact is that Jesus died for everyone, offering salvation for everyone that believes and takes up their cross and fellow him.

The gift is free for everyone but not all people will claim it by living a holy life which involves obey the commandments of God.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Law Of God And Righteousness, Do We Still Need The 10 Commandments? by blueAgent(op): 10:25pm On May 13, 2021

Dtruthspeaker:
See it, you have only 35 views. But if it is a post about escaping punishment for offences you would have reached 50 views with many blessing you for your "wonderful" preaching.

But now that you have raised Righteousness, few come to look at it!

Lol...that's true.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Law Of God And Righteousness, Do We Still Need The 10 Commandments? by blueAgent(op): 10:25pm On May 13, 2021

Dtruthspeaker:
Draw the Line, Remember it is Written "in the beginning was The Word and The Word was with God And the Word was..."

You know The Rest!

"Let there be light! Let us make man...!" What are All these?

God is different from his law.
God exists outside his law.
He is self existent.

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