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blackbriar:
What happens to a christian that dies in the grace of christ?

Those who die in Christ are waiting in the graves till the day ressurection and judgement .
There will be an awakening from the sleep of
death. The righteous will receive the gift of
immortality, but it will all happen “In a moment,
in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for
the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be
raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
For this corruptible must put on incorruption,
and this mortal must put on immortality” (1
Corinthians 15:52, 53). Jesus said, “Marvel not at this, for the hour is coming in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation” (John 5:28,
29).


Just click and read.

https://www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/book/e/48/t/spirits-of-the-dead

https://www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/book/e/4/t/absent-from-the-body

Banished To A 'Menstrual Shed,' A Teen In
Nepal Is Bitten By A Snake And Dies
July 10, 2017·4:33 PM ET

For three nights, Tulasi Shahi slept in the
cowshed underneath her home in Nepal's
western Dailekh district because she was on
her period. In western Nepal, many families
believe it is a sin for menstruating women to
sleep inside the home and could bring bad
luck.
On her third night in the shed — last
Wednesday — a snake entered, so on
Thursday night the 18-year-old moved to the
cowshed at her uncle's house, according to
Anita Gyawali, the women's development
officer in the district. That night, a snake
breached the uncle's shed, this time biting
Shahi on the hand.
Shahi's family brought her to a Hindu
shaman, who performed rituals from 10 p.m.
til 6 the next morning before declaring she
needed a doctor. The local health clinic was
unable to treat her, lacking a supply of
antivenom, according to the New York Times .
Shahi died en route to the hospital a few hours away on Friday.


A Girl Gets Her Period And Is Banished To
The Shed: #15Girls
Snakebites are common during Nepal's rainy
summer, but the fact that Shahi died from a
snakebite while in menstrual seclusion has
brought renewed attention to the practice —
and renewed calls to end it.
Sleeping outside the house, called chaupadi,
is one of the most extreme forms of
restrictions for menstruating girls and women
in certain parts of Nepal. Women across the
country observe a wide-ranging set of rules
based on the belief that menstruation is
impure.
Nepal's Supreme Court banned chaupadi in
2005 as a human rights violation, but it
remains widespread in certain parts of the
country, where fears of consequences for
breaking menstrual taboos retain a tight grip.
A 2010 government study found 19 percent of
Nepali women practiced chaupadi, but in the
mid- and far-west, where Shahi lived, the
figure was closer to 50 percent. A
government study in another western district,
Jumla, put the figure at 74 percent this year.
Tulasi Shahi's death is just one of several
incidents in which young women have died
while practicing chaupadi.
Gyawali says around a month and a half
earlier, 16-year-old Lal Sara B.K. died of a
snakebite while practicing chaupadi. She lived
in the same area as Shahi.
"Lal Sara's case was never discussed
anywhere," Gyawali says. "When Tulasi's
accident happened people started talking
about it and people from those places started
coming and saying, 'oh no, this is serious and
wrong.' So change is happening but it's very
slow."
The government did in fact promise change
after two highly publicized chaupadi-related
deaths in the neighboring Achham district
last year: Dambara Upadhyay, whose cause
of death was not determined, and 15-year-
old Roshani Tiwari, whose death was
attributed to smoke inhalation.
Activists hoped the government would start
enforcing its ban on the practice. After the
2016 deaths, then prime minister Kamal
Pushpa Dahal expressed public concern, and
the government considered punishing families
who perpetuate the practice. Local officials
started publicly tearing down the sheds,
including the shed Roshani Tiwari died in,
according to Shiva Raj Dhungana, a journalist
who covered her case in Achham district.
But the practice continues, and families face
no consequences for adhering to it. "There is
no change," Dhungana says of Achham. "The
families in the area right around where the
two women died are still staying outside in
unsafe conditions during menstruation."
Pragya Lamsal, a development worker who
focuses on sanitation and hygiene issues,
says Achham had been declared "chaupadi-
free" before the 2016 deaths. She says
families don't abandon the practice because
they fear neighbors will shun them if they
buck the tradition.
For its part, the government says it's doing
its best against a deep-rooted cultural
practice. Toyam Raya, the spokesperson for
the Ministry tasked with women's, children's
and social issues, says the law just doesn't
work. "The government cannot go and directly
say, this is wrong you have to pay a fine,
we'll throw you in jail, these kinds of things,
because people have believed these things
for a very long time," he says. Raya says
building awareness (which he says the
government is doing through various
programs) not law enforcement, are the
solution.
Critics say that education isn't enough. Isha
Nirola, a reproductive health advocate with
the organization Possible Health, says
chaupadi-related deaths should be viewed as
any other death related to domestic violence.
In her opinion, the death of 15-year-old
Roshani Tiwari was a case of child abuse.
"It's very clear that this is against the law,"
Nirola says. "So the fact that the government
is not enforcing this [law] is problematic. It's
not simply that traditional beliefs trump the
law."
Nirola cites the practice of sati, once
prevalent in Nepal and India, in which a
widow was made to immolate herself on her
husband's funeral pyre. Sati has been
outlawed in Nepal since 1920 and is no
longer practiced. Nirola says chaupadi needs
robust law enforcement, in addition to
awareness, to be eradicated.
Anita Gyawali, the women's development
officer, says the most powerful actors in the
fight against chaupadi could be religious
leaders and shamans, like the one who
attempted to treat Roshani Shahi after the
snakebite. She believes if these traditional
healers can be convinced to spread the
message that menstruation is normal, that
"during periods you need to eat good food,
drink good water, stay in a good place,"
communities may take their word for it.


www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2017/07/10/536483652/banished-to-a-menstrual-shed-a-teen-in-nepal-is-bitten-by-a-snake-and-dies

Ubenedictus:
we can now start throwing links around abi?

If you care.

https://www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/book/e/48/t/spirits-of-the-dead

easymancfc:
Just to make a distinction
WE DONT PRAY TO THE DEAD... WE ASK MEMBERS OF THE GLORIFIED BODY OF CHRIST FOR THEIR PRAYERS/INTERCESSION..
YES ALL PRAYERS ARE THROUGH JESUS ALONE.. THE SAINTS IN HEAVEN ALSO PRAY IN JESUS NAME.. THAT AND THE FACT THAT THEY ARE MEMBERS OF CHRIST BODY..
My dear there is a lot...
death doesn't separate us from the body of Christ (rom ... all the members of the body need each other (1 cor 12:19-24).. t

heb 12:1 says we have a cloud of witnesses who cheer us on...

witnesses observe events.. and attest...

rev 5:8.. talks about 24 human beings (elders) who offer prayers of the saints ON EARTH to God..

Are the Elders dead? and who said the witnesses in Heb12:1 are the dead Saints.

easymancfc:
in essence what you mean is .. it doesnt matter what the catholic church says or what the catholic church who compiled the Bible says the bible says... what matters is what the seventh day adventist church says the bible says right??

you and the Adventist Church which didnt exist before the 19th century cannot interprete scripture better than the people who compiled it...
that and your founder ELLEN GOURD WHITE DOESN'T HAVE APOSTOLIC AUTHORITY TO TEACH... AND YOU WOULD AGREE THAT YOU AND E. G. WHITE ARE NOT THE INFALLIBLE INTERPRETERS OF SCRIPTURE...
go and read the articles i shared again to see how other Christians see your soul sleep heresy.
my dear.. you dont understand simple christian doctrine that has been around for almost 2000 years .. there will be a resurrection of the "Body" at the end.

Which one is APOSTOLIC AUTHORITY ?
Jesus said in Mark 16:17 "
And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues"

felixomor:
So Christianity came from the europeans?
Wow
By the way, why don't you also reject the enlightenment, healthcare and western education they brought?

Nice question. Atheists are typical hypocrites. The reason he has the ability to use the internet is becos of christainity and the Education that came with it.

jonbellion:
Err mr BlueAgent there are some things I agree with you on with the point of some atheists believing in blind chance. This is re.tarded to an extent. The problem with atheists is that they only look at God in the view of religion that is why you hear such absurd things.
But what I and the atheists share the same view on is this; HOW DOES THIS PROVE THE ABRHAMIC GOD IS THE CREATOR FOR THE UMPTEENTH MOTHERFUCKING TIME. Prove your God. Didn't the bible say remove the speck in your eye first

Is there any other religeon where the god has claimed rulership or authority over man and the Universe other than the christain God?

Ubenedictus:
Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon
son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to
you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in
heaven. And I tell you that you are Peter,
and on this rock I will build my church,
and the gates of Hades will not overcome
it.





Jesus has already promised that the false teachers will never prevail against his church .

Do you believe him.

Stop confusing yourself .Jesus was referring to the entire Christain body and not a particular Church.
Secondly Jesus as well paul warned that during the endtime false doctrines and prophets will araise.

The gate of Hell will not prevail has nothing to do with the Church been corrupted with evil doctrines

Ubenedictus:
you are the one confusing yourself the history of my church is clear it started with the apostles in the upper room. do you have anything in particular to point out?
Paul talked about a falling away in the end time! Your church is an end time church, it is the very manifestation of the falling away Paul was talking about. He said that at time people will be deluded and they will start etching for their funny doctrines like soul sleep a doctrine that is alien to 1900yrs of Christianity.

There were false teachers but Jesus himself promise that the false will never prevail against the True NEVER, ever, do you believe it or do you think Jesus was lying when he made the promise.



so which of the 3 people were among the 12 apostles? Jesus didn't leave Ellen white to his church or the other 3 people he left it with the apostles and your church wasn't formed by an apostles.

You should ask yourself which Church has unbibilcal docttines in their church.
From worship of Mary to purgatory,to praying to saints, to pope forgiving sins,to idol worship and advocating for gays, the list is endless. your church is Babaylon.

Ubenedictus:
you are the one confusing yourself the history of my church is clear it started with the apostles in the upper room. do you have anything in particular to point out?
Paul talked about a falling away in the end time! Your church is an end time church, it is the very manifestation of the falling away Paul was talking about. He said that at time people will be deluded and they will start etching for their funny doctrines like soul sleep a doctrine that is alien to 1900yrs of Christianity.

There were false teachers but Jesus himself promise that the false will never prevail against the True NEVER, ever, do you believe it or do you think Jesus was lying when he made the promise.



so which of the 3 people were among the 12 apostles? Jesus didn't leave Ellen white to his church or the other 3 people he left it with the apostles and your church wasn't formed by an apostles.

I laugh ....The church started in the wilderness go and read your old testament.

Acts7:38
This is he, that was in the church in the
wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who
received the lively oracles to give unto us:

Ubenedictus:
Revelation say the devil deceived the world at the end time, it didn't say the devil defeated the church so God needed to call Ellen white to start her own after the apostles were gone. In fact the Bible says that the church built on the apostles by Jesus will never go out of phase hell will never prevail against her.


So ask yourself if your church which actually began at the end times isn't a manifestation of the work and deception of the devil trying to remove people from true Christianity by drawing them to modern day heresy.


I never said you Doctrine must be popular but is certainly must be true historic Christian belief.



If the xtians who heard from the apostles never interpreted the passage as you do and do not believe it then maybe you have a false interpretation.

Christians in 100ad didn't believe soul sleep nor those in 200ad or even 300ad no good Christian held that teaching. It is a modern day heresy.

Jesus warned ( Matt. 7:15),
“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in
sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous
wolves.” Much of His ministry consisted of
confronting the false teaching of the religious
leaders of His day (cf. Matt. 16:11-12; 23:1-39).
In His discourse on things to come, He warned
( Matt. 24:4-5), “See to it that no one misleads
you. For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I
am the Christ,’ and will mislead many.”
The apostle Peter devotes most of 2 Peter to
warning against false teachers. Jude devotes his
entire short letter to the same theme. John in his
epistles repeatedly warns of false teachers. Paul’s
final words to the Ephesian elders warned them. Acts 20:28-30

His final letters to Timothy and Titus repeatedly
emphasize the need for sound doctrine. He told
Titus (1:9) that an elder must hold “fast the
faithful word which is in accordance with the
teaching, so that he will be able both to exhort in
sound doctrine and to refute those who
contradict.” He goes on to explain that there are
many empty talkers and deceivers who are
upsetting whole households through their false
teaching. In his final charge to Timothy, after
telling him to preach the word, he explained ( 2
Tim. 4:3-4), “For the time will come when they
will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to
have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for
themselves teachers in accordance to their own
desires, and will turn away their ears from the
truth and will turn aside to myths.”
So it should not surprise us that as Paul
concludes his letter to the Romans, in the midst
of giving and sending warm greetings to the
saints, he breaks in with this warning to beware
of false teachers. Some liberal commentators
have thought that this paragraph is so abrupt and
out of context that it must have been added by a
later scribe. But Paul was constantly battling false
teachers who hounded his steps and perverted
the truth of the gospel. He was writing from
Corinth, where false apostles posing as servants
of righteousness had caused much damage ( 2
Cor. 11:3-15). As he thought of his many dear
friends in Rome, he didn’t want them to be led
astray. He had heard that they were doing well in
the Lord (16:19a), but the present is no guarantee
for the future. So his love for them prompted him
to insert this warning against the dangers of false teachers

Ubenedictus:
Revelation say the devil deceived the world at the end time, it didn't say the devil defeated the church so God needed to call Ellen white to start her own after the apostles were gone. In fact the Bible says that the church built on the apostles by Jesus will never go out of phase hell will never prevail against her.


So ask yourself if your church which actually began at the end times isn't a manifestation of the work and deception of the devil trying to remove people from true Christianity by drawing them to modern day heresy.


I never said you Doctrine must be popular but is certainly must be true historic Christian belief.



If the xtians who heard from the apostles never interpreted the passage as you do and do not believe it then maybe you have a false interpretation.

Christians in 100ad didn't believe soul sleep nor those in 200ad or even 300ad no good Christian held that teaching. It is a modern day heresy.

You are confusing yourself.
Go and google about the history of your Church doctrines.
Paul spoked about the falling away of early christains from the faith and from sound doctrine. you can see it is not a new thing.
Your church claims to be the first church but thats a big lie.

Ellen G White was not the sole founder of Adventist they were more than 3 people which started the church based on Bible doctrine not on Heresy like your church.

LightandDarkness:
They both created the demand for slaves and enslaved Africans, how could they create the demand for slave trade without using Africans as slaves. Furthermore, slaves were not solely captured by locals. Can you prove either of those scenarios are wrong?

North Africa is a very large region. You are basing this on Egypt, Ethiopia, and Eritrea?.

Of course Jesus wasn't an European and probably wasn't white, makes you wonder why the missionaries presented a white Jesus to the africans. How Christianity arrived in Europe is not particularly relevant to this discussion focused on africa-more specifically Nigeria.

In my previous post i said. "Kingdoms that resisted missionaries and colonial rule were subjugated using warfare." The Sokoto Caliphate was one of those kingdoms, largely an Islamic caliphate and one of the most organized governmental systems at the time, military conquest presented the only way to take the caliphate. Lord lugard himself took the caliphate and cemented British rule which made it possible to amalgamate Nigeria. Religious control prior was not possible and religious control after wasn't necessary when military subjugation had been achieved. The relationship between Christianity and colonialism can be more clearly seen in the south.

Who said Jesus was not White?

Click and read an open secret.

www.nairaland.com/3568023/most-europeans-israelities

LightandDarkness:
I wonder if you also shame the Christians whose religion clearly comes from the Europeans. I can accept this argument from you if you're an African traditionalist but if you are Christian you are practicing a religion brought to you by colonialist Europeans who murdered and enslaved your forefathers in the name of civilising the negro, if you are Muslim you are practicing the religion of Arabs that reached you through a combination of war and trade.

Africans were already enslaving thems with traditional rituals and had slave trade with the Arabs long before Europeans came.Europeans were not responsible for introducing slavary into Africa. google can help you out.

LightandDarkness:
Never heard of him. Again atheism isn't a church, once you lack belief in any deities you are atheist, no one has a monopoly on atheism. If Richard Dawkins or anyone else decides they are no longer atheist that's their choice, they and this person are free to change his mind if he wants, it doesn't mean anyone else should.

people are atheist for many different reason and are free to change their views based on the interpretation of the evidence before them, I could be deist 10 years from now-i simply don't see sufficient evidence for the position. On further research I see he believed in neither Christianity or Islam and their God "I'm thinking of a God very different from the God of the Christian and far and away from the God of Islam, because both are depicted as omnipotent Oriental despots, cosmic Saddam Husseins". Anyway I will make sure to read his book for insight.

You say you have never heard of him? then you are a contract Atheists.

Almaheed:
very insightful into the world of metaphysics and the I admire the way he balanced it with empirical notions of how the complexity of the universe can only originate from an intelligent source I.e God.

philosophers have over the years argued against the existence of God especially the Americans with their logic and pragmatism but whatever fact they tend to point out only leads towards the absolute being. how would you object that the source of life in the universe exist by a LUCKY CHANCE purported by the big bang theory.... apparently something is wrong with the atheist.

and I wonder how one can be African and still be an atheist I don't just get that logic. with all the spiritual forces in the land. African atheist are uncle Tom's who would copy any shit the white man gives to them, if you see one always shame him

Lol.....I love this your comment,especially were you mentioned spiritual forces Africans should know better what demons and witches are.

Ubenedictus:
ask yourself why you are a member of a church whose teaching are alien to 1900yrs of Christianity.

Adventist is the best church in the World. i was not born an Adventist but i discovered the truth and became one.

We are not intrested in general opinion but We are intrested in what God says through his word the Bible.
Have you not read in James 4:4
Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

Have you not read in revelation that the Devil will decieve the whole world? that he has successed in doing using your church and evil doctrines. My church is different we refuse to compromise.

kelvinhilton:
Too long... Thank God he is now free from d shackles of unbelieve.

Yes...ooo, he died believing that God exists.

Ubenedictus:
and you are the infallible omni-knowest abi?

I don't claim to know everything. i just want people to know the truth.

click and read .
https://www.truthaboutdeath.com/q-and-a/id/1596/what-about-the-rich-man-and-lazarus

https://www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/study-guide/e/4987/t/are,the-dead-really-dead

www.bibleinfo.com/en/questions/what-does-bible-say-about-death

felixomor:
Still no link between "defence mechanism" and "natural selection". Sorry. Anyway, bye

Lol....their facts can't add up. you should have expected the delay.

felixomor:
Again, I never spoke about "relevance of atoms" You continuously spin words. I dont know why. I specified the conditions for explanation of what I meant by that term. Unfortunately, you have not met the conditions.

As usual they will spin words to confuse you to win the argument. Nice one, they can match you.

easymancfc:
Funny its the same thing they say about your doctrine... the difference between you and them is that i know them, their theology, their training and its origin, and i can judge base on that, but i know nothing about you... SO ARE YOU JW OR ADVENTIST, because ITS ONLY THOSE TWO WHO TEACH SOUL SLEEP HERESY IN NIGERIA, well maybe one or two other mushroom church..

Proudly Adventist. look it is not about the Church or personal opinion but what the Bible says.

If the dead where alive in the other world.
then explain to me why the Bible says they are unconscious or why there will be a Resurrection?

CoolUsername:
Fallacy after fallacy.

We currently don't know how DNA originated; therefore God.

Where then does this God come from? The logic behind this flawed argument is that complexity requires a creator. It is special pleading to conclude that God exists without questioning its origins.

If you do continue down that road, the logic leads to an infinite regress because every God would require its own creator, this makes it false.

If you don't, terminating the logic flow at God is incongruent with the first argument that complexity requires a creator.

Either way, the God hypothesis is unnecessary.

DNA occurs in less than 0.000001% percent of the universe by even the most generous approximations. To say that it couldn't have occurred in at least one place in the Universe over the first 9 billion years since the Big Bang is an argument from incredulity.

God is the uncaused cause.
Science agrees with this fact than your bigbang and Evolution Scams.

easymancfc:
Ubenedictus asked a question on this that i would like the answer to as well... just to add one thing, Its the. principle of the thing that counts, if there's a biblical principle, then it doesn't have to be found word for word...

But there is no principle supporting christains to pray to the dead. Jesus why teaching his disciples how to pray explained that all prayers must be done through his name alone .

Aizenosa:
if she has a lot to learn hw come Moses is in heaven and he came to Jesus during the transfiguration of Christ and2ndly hw come saints were raised after the death of Christ, since according to you the 2nd death has not happened, my dear it's a clear fact that you are not reading your Bible with the help of the Holy Spirit, #THE BIBLE IS NOT A STORY BOOK.

Moses and Elijah's case were exceptional case. God in his power and wisdom ressurected them for a purpose. The is clear on the State of the dead and when they will come back alive any other thing apart from this is lies from the pit of Hell.

Horlufemi:
Argument:
1. Genes (a central component of life) are digital information*.
2. To the best of OUR KNOWLEDGE, digital information is always a product of intelligence.
3. Therefore, to the best of our knowledge, genes (a central component of life) are a product of intelligence.

* Digital information -- such as the instructions of computer code, the hieroglyphic text of the Rosetta stone or Shakespeare's Hamlet -- is not to be confused with order which can be seen in the spontaneous structure of a snowflake or a crystal.
Order is different from digital information in the sense that order would have the DNA molecule comprised of any A-T or C-G pair in any position along its sequence without this impairing the double helix structure.
But since there is more than just order; there is also digital information, the positions of A, T, C and G not only hold the DNA molecule together but are also highly specific so as to translate meaningful code.

cc: blueAgent

I concur 100% Bro,excellent view.

True a random process cannot create information and orderliness. it is totally impossible.

 NOTE: For the last half of the twentieth
century, Antony Flew (1923-2010) was the
world's most famous atheist. Long before Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens, and Sam Harris began taking swipes at religion, Flew was the preeminent spokesman for unbelief. In 2004, he shocked the world by
announcing he had come to believe in God.
In 2007, he recounted his conversion in a book titled There is a God: (How the World's Most Notorious Atheist Changed His Mind).

Here is an extract from an interview with Dr.
*Benjamin Wiker about his book, his conversion, and the reasons that led him to God. Read below and enjoy!
Dr. Benjamin Wiker:when asked if  his conversion was due to him hearing a voice.

Antony Flew: There were two factors in particular
that were decisive. One was my growing empathy with the insight of Einstein and other noted scientists that there had to be an Intelligence behind the integrated complexity of the physical Universe. The second was my own insight that the integrated complexity of life itself—which is far more complex than the physical Universe—can only be explained in terms of an Intelligent Source. I believe that the origin of life and reproduction simply cannot be explained from a biological standpoint despite numerous efforts to do so. With every passing year, the more that was discovered about the richness and inherent
intelligence of life, the less it seemed likely that a chemical soup could magically generate the
genetic code. The difference between life and non- life, it became apparent to me, was ontological
and not chemical. The best confirmation of this
radical gulf is Richard Dawkins' comical effort to argue in The God Delusion that the origin of life can be attributed to a "lucky chance." If that's the best argument you have, then the game is over.
No, I did not hear a Voice. It was the evidence
itself that led me to this conclusion.

*Interviewer/Wicker:When asked if the burden of proof  of God's existence lies on the Theists or Atheist His response.

Flew: I note in my book that
some philosophers indeed
have argued in the past that the
burden of proof is on the
atheist. I think the origins of
the laws of nature and of life
and the Universe point clearly
to an intelligent Source. The
burden of proof is on those
who argue to the contrary.
Interviewer/Wiker. When he was asked about the evidence that led him to believe that there is God and if it was scientific?
His response.
Flew: It was empirical evidence, the evidence
uncovered by the sciences. But it was a
philosophical inference drawn from the evidence.
Scientists as scientists cannot make these kinds
of philosophical inferences. They have to speak
as philosophers when they study the philosophical implications of empirical evidence.
Interviewer: When asked about Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens who regard theists as been behind the times.
His response.
Flew: Yes, indeed. I would add that Dawkins is
selective to the point of dishonesty when he cites the views of scientists on the philosophical implications of the scientific data.
Two noted philosophers, one an agnostic
(Anthony Kenny) and the other an atheist (Thomas
Nagel), recently pointed out that Dawkins has
failed to address three major issues that ground
the rational case for God. As it happens, these are the very same issues that had driven me to accept the existence of a God: the laws of nature, life with its teleological organization, and the existence of the Universe.

*Interviewer :When asked about the existence of God and evil.
His response.
Flew: I should clarify that I am a deist. I do not
accept any claim of divine revelation though I
would be happy to study any such claim (and
continue to do so in the case of Christianity). For the deist, the existence of evil does not pose a problem because the deist God does not
intervene in the affairs of the world. The religious theist, of course, can turn to the free-will defense (in fact I am the one who first coined the phrase free-will defense). Another relatively recent change in my philosophical views is my affirmation of the freedom of the will.
Interviewer:When asked if God was just a force or a personal being.
His response.
Flew: I accept the God of Aristotle who shares all the attributes you cite. Like Lewis I believe that God is a person but not the sort of person with whom you can have a talk. It is the ultimate
being, the Creator of the Universe.

*Interviewer/Wiker: Do you plan to write a follow-up book to
There is a God?

Flew: As I said in opening the book, this is my last will and testament.

In Conclusion

Flew has demonstrated his honest desire to find the truth by following the evidence and logic. any sincere Atheists who is interested in searching for the truth without bais will come to the conclusion that God exist just like Mr Flew discovered.
The problem is most Atheists like the ones in Nairaland argue without facts and objectivity they refuse to challenge their opinion and fantasy with facts,logic and evidence  they live in self denial of the abundant evidence that point to God. like their peers Dawkins and Christopher  they have failed to answer the basic questions about our existence.
Believing that the Universe came into existence by chance. without any explanation of the mechnism or scientific evidence of how it happened is mere faith. even it requires more than just faith.

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LightandDarkness:
You cannot have a logical argument in the absence of knowledge

Which knowledge?

The late Colin Patterson, a foremost fossil expert,
famously stated in a discussion group at the
American Museum of Natural History in New York City on November 5, 1981: “One morning I woke up and something had happened in the night,and it struck me that I had been working on thisstuff [evolution] for twenty years and there was not one thing I knew about it” (emphasis added).
He had addressed his concerns to both the
geology staff at the Field Museum of Natural
History and the Evolutionary Morphology
Seminar at the University of Chicago, saying, “Can
you tell me anything you know about evolution,
any one thing…that is true?” Each time, his
question was met with weak explanations,
hypotheses and theories.
The only salient comment came during the
Evolutionary Morphology Seminar, in which one
participant stated, “I do know one thing—it ought
not to be taught in high school.”
This led Patterson to conclude, “It does seem that
the level of knowledge about evolution is
remarkably shallow. We know it ought not to be
taught in high school, and that’s all we know
about it.”
Patterson later felt these statements were taken
out of context and noted that the lecture was
specifically about the narrow field of systematics
(scientific classification in biology).
Yet his concerns stand: What are the facts about
the theory? What do we actually know? What is
the basis for its near universal acceptance?
You will be amazed at what scientific evidence
reveals!

LightandDarkness:
You cannot have a logical argument in the absence of knowledge

Which knowledge?
You Atheists keep refining the definition of Evolution inorder to suit your lies.

LightandDarkness:
You are an engineer. Not a biochemist, a geneticists, an astrophysicist, a biologists or any type of life scientist. Based on credentials, i don't see how being an engineer is relevant to a discussion about evolution.

Can you give me proofs or scientific formular or equations or quantites for Evolution or bigbang .
For all this scams to qualify as Science it must be measurable,consistent,factual e.t.c
pls give me chemical formular or equation for Abiogenesis or describe how the first cell came into existence and the mechanism that transformed them into complex organisms

LightandDarkness:
You are an engineer. Not a biochemist, a geneticists, an astrophysicist, a biologists or any type of life scientist. Based on credentials, i don't see how being an engineer is relevant to a discussion about evolution.

I laugh at you. it is obvious you don't know the duty and responsiblity of an Engineer.

Can you define Evolution for me and show me how it is science?

Niflheim:
@ebukasblog,

1.My Hindu friend says that you are correct, but that the god who created this world is Brahma(they say he had 4 mouths)!!!

2.My Chinese friend also agrees with you, but he says that the god that created everything is Pangu(they say his bones changed to rocks, and his hair changed to trees)!!!

3.My friend from Central Africa also agrees with you, but he says that your theory(or is it presupposition) proves that Mbombo exists!!! Mbombo is the one who vomited the world into existence!!!

4.My Native American friend from the Catho tribe, insists that you are also correct!!! But that the world was created by a Raven!!!

@ebukasblog,

All my friends have one thing in common!!! They insist that "jehovah" had nothing to do with the creation of the world!!! Do you believe any of my friends? And if so which of them do you believe?

How does this prove their is no God?
So if more than one god exist means no god exist?
So using your logic Niflheim does not exist becos their are millions of Niflheim.