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LightandDarkness:
I am done with this argument. Anyone theist who studied a biological science in University and is reading this thread, kindly mention me when you want to pick up where I left off.

You are running away as usual.

felixomor:
Ok Good.
This is where you left off. You dont have to pick up.
Nobody can reproduce evolution. because it is a lie started by Charles Darwin. Period

Lol... True

LightandDarkness:
I am done with this argument. Anyone theist who studied a biological science in University and is reading this thread, kindly mention me when you want to pick up where I left off.

You are running away as usual.

felixomor:
Ok Good.
This is where you left off. You dont have to pick up.
Nobody can reproduce evolution. because it is a lie started by Charles Darwin. Period

Lol... True

MrMontella:
no wonder it's a complete Bullshit

Thank you sir.

easymancfc:
You don't see because you don't want to see, we ask those in heaven because their payers will be more efficacious because the hindrance of sin does not affect their petitions because they are already with God..

we haven't seen their judgement, but through divine revelation it can be made known.. scripture too..

Can you give me an example in the Bible where people prayed to the dead to intercede for them or bible verses that supports us praying to the dead.

easymancfc:
cc doctoralien..
here's what other christians think of your soul sleep doctrine

http://www.letusreason.org/doct15.htm

this is a long read but it addresses all of the scriptures and arguments provided by the o.p. and more..

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/christiancrier/2014/12/30/is-soul-sleep-biblical-what-does-the-bible-say/

here's a favourite of many anti catholic nairalanders
https://www.gotquestions.org/soul-sleep.html?_e_pi_=7%2CPAGE_ID10%2C4322479395
http://www.whatchristianswanttoknow.com/what-is-the-doctrine-of-soul-sleep-is-it-biblical/

https://carm.org/soul-sleep?_e_pi_=7%2CPAGE_ID10%2C8399780948
i can go on and on..

I have gone through those site. they are all garbage same rubbish doctrine from the pit of Hell.

TheIlluminatus:
Hahahaha. This fellow simply gathered together all the filth of Christians from all corners of the planet and decided to dump them on atheists. Pathetic attempt at projection.

I know your type. wannable Atheists.

easymancfc:
misinterpreted? by whose authority? those passages have been interpreted that way for 2000 years, and i have the testimony of the early Christians to prove it, and i can provide them,

P.S. the anti catholic sites i presented uses some of the passages against your SOUL SLEEP HERESY, CHECK THEM OUT

Did you google the Bible verses?

CanadianNurse:
John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he sent his only begotten son that whoever believes in him SHALL NOT DIE/PERISH BUT LIVE EVERLASTING LIFE...
from the bolded there is nothing like a dead saint as long as he believed in God he is alive in Christ

Please be guided and don't read the Bible one sidedly, there is nothing like a dead saint!

If your pastor alive in sinful flesh can pray for you why can't someone alive in Christ beyond and beyond sin pray for me

I laugh.....you just murdered the Bible.

You have a lot to learn about.
The Bible is referring to the second death which all sinners will face in the lake of fire. while the saints will inherit everlasting life.

LightandDarkness:
Institute for Creation Research, that is true propaganda. Pew Research Center is unbiased and unaffiliated. ICR is biased, it's like asking the owner of Barcelona which club is the best-would he say Real Madrid?.

Furthermore look at journals they publish their "creation research" in, if it was actual, true science how come they can't get their creation research published in nature or other high impact journals. The staff members of this institution have exposed themselves by publishing their "mainstream" research in secular journals and not in their "Bible based publication", they know people like you aren't interested in the pure science they publish in those journals but in the pseudoscience you want to believe. You claim atheists don't read but when was the last time you read a journal article, just come here and be arguing up and down.

Am an Engineer i practice and live Science everyday i have never seen any article posted by ICR that violates Science laws.

Halfpenny:
A Christian who believes life started 2000 years ago is accusing atheists of being bad at maths!!! I am laughing out loud

Thank you for the joke but please don't kill me with laughter

The funny thing is that you Atheist will laugh at the creation story without offering us a valid alternative or prove of Evolution or any other scam you dudes are into.

Halfpenny:
A Christian who believes life started 2000 years ago is accusing atheists of being bad at maths!!! I am laughing out loud

Thank you for the joke but please don't kill me with laughter

The funny is you Atheist will laugh at the creation story without offering us a valid alternative or prove of Evolution or any other scam you dudes are into.

easymancfc:
Old testament sir,
in the new testament we hear of a lot of consciousness from so called "dead people"...

Hebrews 12:1, cloud of witnesses
HOW CAN THE DEAD WITNESS?

heb 12:21-24 we have come to the spirits of just men made perfect, Gods first born in the heavenly Jerusalem..
THIS TALKS ABOUT PEOPLE WE HAVE IN HEAVENLY PLACES CURRENTLY.. how can if they "know nothing" .

1 peter 3:19 he preached to the souls in prison when he descended..

HOW CAN THE DEAD HEAR IF THEY HAVE NO CONSCIOUSNESS

Ephe 4: 8-9 says he ascended and led a host of captives,
HOW CAN HE LEAD PEOPLE SLEEPING IN THEIR GRAVES...

luke 16.. the rich man and lazarus were not sleeping after death

mat 17 in the transfiguration Moses who died is seen with Jesus, when he is supposed to KNOW NOTHING AND BE SLEEPING IN WAITING FOR THE RESURECTION

This are misinterpreted bible verses. they don't in any way support the idea that the dead are conscious. google this bible verses abd see the explanation i would send them to you when i have the chance.

LightandDarkness:
They are certainly not countless.97% of scientists support evolution http://www.people-press.org/2009/07/09/section-5-evolution-climate-change-and-other-issues/ so creationists are in the vast minority. Do not be fooled, there is nothing scientific about creationism. Honestly anyone who actually understands evolution or at least some of the evidence supporting it-morphological, biochemical, genetic etc wouldn't come out in a room full of scientists and shout evolutionary theory is false, your best argument is that evolution was driven and designed by god. Anything else is just a joke.

I laugh at you.
What is scientific about a cell appearing from nothing and transforming itself into humans?
Has it been proven ?

LightandDarkness:
They are certainly not countless.97% of scientists support evolution http://www.people-press.org/2009/07/09/section-5-evolution-climate-change-and-other-issues/ so creationists are in the vast minority. Do not be fooled, there is nothing scientific about creationism. Honestly anyone who actually understands evolution or at least some of the evidence supporting it-morphological, biochemical, genetic etc wouldn't come out in a room full of scientists and shout evolutionary theory is false, your best argument is that evolution was driven and designed by god. Anything else is just a joke.

In your dreams.

This is the exact thing i meant when i said Atheists don't read or do research.
This your site is just propangander.

click here to see real statistics.
www.icr.org/who-we-are

LightandDarkness:
How can you say "4.They have no knowledge of Science" and then call evolution a scam that violates the laws of science, I can accept the big bang but evolution? What laws exactly? What known scientist has disproved evolution? "that is why they accept bigbang and Evolution theories even when this scams violate the laws of Science all of them have been disproved by many known Scienctists."

The Scientist that disagree with Evolution theory are countless. just google you will find them.

ScotFree:
Then your case is past redemption. Pastor-worshipping Zombie!!

Thank you Sir.

Muhammed028:
Where did you copy this poo � from

I wrote it myself.

Splinz:
Sir Blue, good to hear from you again.

As for the topic, you have no need that I should write you a new commandment other than what you've learnt was from the beginning.

Yes. You've provided the answers straight from the pages of the Bible, rightly divided and clear enough for the discerning mind. So, I agree with you not for any other thing but because the Scriptures agrees with you as well.

Good understanding, sir.

Thank you. i just wanted to draw your attention and your opinion for the doubters. i know we share common doctrine and views.

dingbang:
yes...

Where is it written in the Bible?

dingbang:
yes...

Where is it written in the Bible?

dingbang:
Lol at dead saints.....

Is Abraham dead?

Is he alive?

In the course of my argument with atheists i have discovered some attitudes they have in common.I have highlighted some of them here.

1.Naive: Atheists are naive they lack reallife experience, that's they cannot comprehend reality there judgement or opinion is narrow minded becos they lack insight and knowledge on the things that make one wise.no wonder the Bible says the fear of God is the beginning of Wisdom.

2.Poor in Mathematics: Atheists are very poor in Mathematics especially in the Area of probability,becos anyone good in mathematics will know that the World's existence cannot be by chance considering the fact that science has told us that the mathematical probability of the world existing by chance is less than 0.00010..........which is less than zero.
eg. Assume that the ribozyme of an RNA molecule is 300 nucleotides long, and that at each position there could be any of four nucleotides present. The chances of that
ribozyme assembling are then 4^300, a number so large that it could not possibly happen by chance even once in 13 billion years, the age of the universe.
But life DID begin! Could we be missing


3.Lack logic or rational reasoning skills.they lack good reasoning skills if not how would someone claim that a lifeless,motionless,unconscious processs led to life and consciousness.

4.They have no knowledge of Science.most Atheists look up to science for answers on the origin human existence yet most of them can barely comprehend science facts and principles.that is why they accept bigbang and Evolution theories even when this scams violate the laws of Science all of them have been disproved by many known Scienctists.

5.Desperate: Atheists are so desperate to prove God does not exist that they can accept any other explanation for human existence as long as it does not Support God's existences. That include them claiming to share lineage with Apes.

6.Childish:Atheist’s denial of God is an emotional reaction, not a logical  one. They are like a
disobedient child who is about to be punished by his father. Who covers his eyes with his hands and say of his father, “You don’t exist!” but that
would hardly be rational. Atheists deny (with their lips) the biblical God, not for logical reasons, but for psychological reasons.Refusing to accept the existence of something does not make it true nor does it free one from its consquences/effects.

7.Arrogant:Atheists feel they know everything they feel they are unteachable. they would shout at you or avoid answering your questions,this is obviously a sign of Inferiority.

8.Ingnorant:I have observed that most Atheists are ingnorant about the world around them,they barely read books or carryout research especially books that challenge their beliefs.

9.Pride:Most Atheists are so proud of themselves.they feel they are too big to need God in their lives.

10.Hypocrites: All Atheists are hypocrites
They accuse christains of having faith on an unseen God , While they do the same thing.
The fact is a believe that the Universe came into existence by chance or Evolution or bigbang without any explanation or even speculation of how the mechanics of such Chance,evolution or bigbang occurred is still faith.They would quote any celeberity Atheists; Scientist or book inorder to win an argument. that is more like a theists quoting a bible verse or a Clergyman.

Rossikki:
Very dumb statement showing total ignorance. Dumb people like you said the same thing before the ANC got to power, ie that if black people ruled South Africa, the country would collapse in 6 months. It's been over 25 years now and the country has grown and continues to develop. Blacks have shown they are capable of governing a modern state, so you can go to hell with your bogus racist claim. And no, the mere presence of white people there is not what guarantees the country's success, since they are mere citizens like everyone else, but rather, the quality of leadership in the country.

Dreamer without Whites SouthAfrica will be gone in 6months. blacks are too dumb to rule well.

fanficgirl:
This mumi didn't know it was a Nigerian that helped with the invention of the internet.
LOOK AT THIS
Nigerians are very smart, but too corrupt. We just can't be trusted to rule.

Dreamer which Nigerian invented the internet?

www.cbwlondon.org/the-lies-of-philip-emeagwali/

www.farooqkperogi.com/2010/11/intellectual-419-philip-emeagwali-and.html?m=1



www.saharareporters.com/2010/10/18/how-philip-emeagwali-lied-his-way-fame

DOUBLEWAHALA:
Don't use ur dull lQ to judge others

Black folks are history in d making

Marthins luther king jr is white?

Opera is white?

Chimamanda adechie is white?


Kathreina a woman who told american how to land on a moon is white?

Is it a white man dat invented calculator?


D highest paided comedian is kelvin hurt

Micheal jackson nko

Did u knw dat it was okonjo iwuala dat provided solution wen america was in recession 2003



Too many to mention our problem is our leaders dey don't value our effort

Where did you get this pack of lies?

Catholics to praying to dead saints is it biblical.
One of the customs of Catholics is to pray to dead Saints to intercede on their behalf in Heaven.This doctrine is based on the belief that dead Saints are alive and already in Heaven this erroneous belief is one of the biggest decits of Satan.We will take a look at this issue with the Bible as our guide.
First what is the State of the dead? are they living or do they ascend into Heaven immediately after death.
Psalms 146:3 Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help. 146:4 His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.
Ecclesiastes9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. 9:6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.
This Bible verses clearly show that the dead including the Saints are not in a state of consciousness but rather their thoughts,love,passions are all perished.
Death is likened to sleep,a man who is at sleep is not in control of his thoughts,actions or environment, same with death. Job 14:12 So man lieth down, and riseth not: till the heavens be no more, they shall not awake, nor be raised out of their sleep. 14:14 If a man die, shall he live again? all the days of my appointed time will I wait, till my change come. John 11:11 These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep. 11:12 Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well. 11:13 Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep.
So if the Saints are not in Heaven where can they be? The Saints are not in Heaven as we can see from those Bible verses they are all asleep in their graves or earth(dust).we will look at more bible verses to confirm this.
1 Thessalonians 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
Daniel 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
This Bible verses confirm  that the dead sleep in the dust not in Heaven.
John  5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
Even David the man after God's heart,a man who Jesus Christ  was named after 'Thou son of David'  did not ascend into Heaven after his death.
I don't think there is anyone more qualified to be called a Saint than David.but still David did not ascend to Heaven at his death he is still lying in his grave waiting for the resurrection. Acts2:29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
Acts 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
Even David knew he was not to go to Heaven immedately after his death so he wrote in Psalms  17:15 As for me, I will behold thy face in righteousness: I shall be satisfied, when I AWAKE, with thy likeness.

Considering the State of the dead,saints including Mary,Paul,Joseph,e.t.c while do Catholics still pray to them. It is apparent that they are praying to Idols and Demons in the name of praying to Saints.Mary,Paul,Peter,James,John,Stephen e.t.c  are all sleeping in their graves they neither eat,work, Think, or hear nor intercede in prayers on behalf of others.
This  evil doctrine has been sold to the public especially Catholics who believe that dead people go straight to Hell or Heaven immediately after death.
People go to Heaven or Hell on the Judgement day or day of resurrection not before then. Daniel12:2,John5:28-29 & 1cor15:12-14,1cor16-19.
John  5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,  5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
This bible verses confirm that the dead and Saints are not in Heaven but are waiting for the resurrection for if they were already in Heaven  the bible will not be talking about a resurrection of the Saints or the dead.what will they be resurrecting from since they are already in Heaven?
To Catholics pls deciet from praying to dead Saints they cannot hear you or intercede on your behalf.Only one name has been given to us by which man can be saved and that is the name of Jesus  Acts  4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
Only Jesus not any dead saint or Mary or Paul or Pope.
We are expected to pray to God only through the name of Jesus not through any dead Saints John14:13 no other person can.mediate between man and God ,not Mary,Paul or angels but only Jesus Christ is our mediator 1Timothy  2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Christ and the Holy Spirit  which is the spirit of Christ can intercede on our behalf Romans 8:34,
Romans  8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.  8:27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

Thank You.

MuttleyLaff,
Splinz, Openmine

felixomor:
Another fake duplicate apetheist moniker......
Ediort

I see this as a compliment on our side. they can help but admire us. cheerup Bro.

Ekiti360:
Forbes has revealed the net worth of the General Overseer of the Redeemed Christian Church of God, RCCG, worldwide, Pastor Enoch Adeboye.

According to Forbes, his net worth is valued at between 39 to 65 million dollars. His churches give him at least two million dollars in revenue per year.

Pastor Adeboye and his family own about 65 million dollars, a private jet and several houses.

Forbes also revealed his three top cars ranging from Rolls Royce Phantom, with starting price of $400, 000, Land Rover Discovery worth about $80, 000 and Mercedes Benz Gelandewagen with starting cost of $100, 000.

Forbes also reports that the revered pastor has several houses and at least one in the Great Britain.

Pastor Adeboye also owns a new 65-million-dollar private Jet, Gulfstream G550 made in Georgia USA.

http://fabinfos.com/forbes-reveals-net-worth-of-rccg-general-overseer-pastor-adeboye/

Fake story.

Rossikki:
What garbage is this?

I don't know what this is or what you expect to achieve by posting it. It makes no sense, and I've no idea what you're trying to say. The colonialists built not one university in Nigeria between 1897 and 1960, despite exporting natural resources worth TRILLIONS in today's money. It wasn't just education they neglected. Name me one major hospital they built in those 63 years. Name me one stadium. Or one expressway. Or one power plant. Or one manufacturing industry?

Nothing. Not even one university. Goodluck Jonathan, in just 5 years in office, built TWELVE universities. We often say that corruption 'increased after independence'. That's the height of tomfoolery and ignorance. Corruption actually DECREASED and DECREASED HUGELY after independence.

Before independence, something like 95% of national earnings were siphoned to Britain on an annual basis, by British officials. This was why Nigeria was under-developed at independence. By right it should have been even more developed than South Africa, considering the resources exported. Our politicians have a history of corruption, but most estimates put the monies siphoned even in the worst years of corruption at no more than 30% - 40% of govt revenue.

So our own leaders are not perfect, but they've done better than the colonial rulers.

No wonder you posted that trash. comprehension is far from you.
Let me help you google the history of Yaba tech,UNN, .

Rossikki:
You are completely ignorant. South Africa has been an industrialised nation since at least the 1940s. Their colonialists built the economy, unlike in Nigeria where they just came to loot. SA had their first universities by the mid 1860s. In Nigeria, the whites built no university at all until they were kicked out in 1960. THE ONLY REASON South Africa is ahead today is because the colonialists invested the nation's resources back into the nation. Why? Because there was a substantial white settler community. In the rest of Africa, they did nothing but loot. This is why most African nations started from virtually nothing at independence in the 1960s.

Check your facts well before you post trash.


A HISTORICAL REVIEW OF NIGERIAN EDUCATIONAL
OBJECTIVES
AND POLICIES
THE COLONIAL PERIOD 1842 – 1955
In 1946, soon after the establishment of the first
school in Badagry by the Missionaries, Lord Grey
had recommended the establishment of
agricultural education. The curriculum was
intended to include household economy,
gardening and surveying and agricultural
chemistry (Faghulu, 1983, P 140). The tradition
of work-oriented education was not successful as
abundant evidence existed in the literature of
complaints against the products of the school
system who were unwilling to use their hands
(Blyden, 1887). The same fate befall the attempt by missionary bodies to set up industrial
institutions in Abeokuta. In the twentieth century the Phelps-Stokes
Commission of l922 attempted to redirect the
focus of education to work, as it was generally felt that the education given to Africans was
inadequate and inappropriate as it educated them away from their environment. The Commission


www.nigerianobservernews.com/2015/03/future-of-education-in-nigeria-historical-review-of-objectives-policies/#nayaparam:857