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Theflint1:
A lot of Indian's commented, but from the comments I saw, I don't think Nigeria is ready infrastructurally to manage this CNG initiative, and the general gist is anything CNG that doesn't come factory fitted is OYO.

Another niggling issue is the price of CNG, it's cheap today, what's the guarantee that when there's significant adoption of the tech we won't start hearing talk of PMS and CNG is at par in US and Europe, why should our case be different? There's also the issue of boot space allocation to consider...commercial vehicle owners that convert to CNG will have to forego boot space, how dem go manage dawan?

That's another issue. Cooking gas was also cheap in the past until they removed subsidy on petrol, people adopted LPG and then boom the price went above the ceiling.

All those Sienna that are 7 seaters, I wonder where they will fix their CNG cylinder

GloriousGbola:
It is 1200 per kg. Please buy direct from nipco/Mobil.

It has been fluctuating small. 1180, 1230.

How many NIPCO/Mobil filling station/gas stations are in Lagos?

He's right, I bought it around N1,300 per kg at a major gas plant recently.

nihilistjnr:
GloriousGbola BlueRayDick which one of you commissioned this woman?

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DAs2IasNT8n/?igsh=YTJ2cG9mbXR3bDZr

Cos what the actual fück?

That woman is mad

I always see her videos on FB, she's all these aunties wey their life don spoil tey tey. I wonder what her family members and kids think about her

GloriousGbola:
to this day, CDMA is widely used in the US, even though GSM is a superior technology
to this day credit cards are widely used in the Us despite debit cards being much more secure

there are numerous examples of how superior products died because of established competitors

japanese cars were a joke until the oil embargos of the 70s, which drove up the price of petrol and forced americans to opt for fuel efficent cars. and the rest is history.

You are delibrately missing the point.

GSM was adopted in Nigeria in the early 2000's with Econet commencing operations in 2001. However, GSM had been widely adopted all over Europe since the 90's.

It was the ease of communication that and all the advantages GSM had over other forms of communication that made Nigerian government adopt it. That is a valid reason for its adoption.

Now the question is Why is it that CNG is not widely adopted all over the world but Nigerian government is telling us to switch to CNG? They need to provide a convincing answer to that to inspire confidence.

Also, it won't be bad if government lead by example by converting government official vehicles to CNG since we are all affected by the hike in PMS price and we all need to switch to a cheaper source of fuel for motor vehicles.

Theflint1:
Google "CNG Cars Reddit"

I did, but didn't get much from the search.

Most of the people commenting were talking about the US and the major reason they gave why CNG cars are not popular in the US are:

1. PMS is cheap in the US, so the difference in price between PMS & CNG is about 60 cents
2. The few CNG stations available in different locality in the US
3. Compressed gas is explosive.

Itsrm:
Have you heard of drug mix? I just recently heard it as well.

When people fall sick these days, they go to the chemist and buy mix.

Two tablets of paracetamol, one tablet of antibiotics and one tablet of antimalaria.

After two or three days when they get some more money, they visit again to buy another mix. Chai

My friend in Abeokuta told me they no longer cook with gas

I asked what they use, he said charcoal stove. I said but you still have to buy the charcoal which is now expensive. He said I should be playing. That they get wood from bushes and make their own charcoal

My brother, this kind hardship, I never see before

Damn! This is my first time of hearing this o.

Hmmmm...That means people working and have access to HMO don't know that they are enjoying o. A friend of mine got a job recently with slightly higher pay that where he works currently but he rejected the offer because the new work place don't have HMO.

His rejection was premised on the fact that his wife is pregnant and will be due for delivery. His current HMO covers cost of delivery which will definitely put a hole in his pocket if he were to pay from out of pocket. Now I understand his decision to reject the new job made much sense considering he's even due for promotion and increased pay this year.

But this one people are now cooking with firewood and charcoal, are we not going back to Abacha era type of hardship?

I watched the video and wasn't bothered about her bare face appearance in the video. It is the elder brother moving like some LGBTQ ambassador that is more worrying.

GloriousGbola:
i have already answered this

the governments have to drive it

it is the FG driving CNG , just as teh FG drove GSM adoption

nigeria has abundant reserves of natural gas. so we already have the source. we do not have to import. we have been flaring natural gas for decades. literally burning energy

i do not have the numbers but it is also likely that natural gas costs much less to process vs refining petrol.

on paper, EVs are better than ICE vehciles

but it is governments that are saying by 2025 ICE vehicles must be phased out.


you actually know all this because you work in a corporate environment. every once in a while there is a migration to a system that is better and more advanced and there will always be resistance and arguments, and it is the oga at the top that has to push it.

it is the same way you see ASUU complaining about having their salaries managed by oracle erp. we have been doing it before, why are you bringing this system that no one else is using?

So are u saying all other countries in the world have never thought of driving adoption of CNG powered vehicles in enmasse despite CNG fuel being cheaper until Nigeria removed subsidy and started talking about CNG?

This sounds somehow.

For example, the GSM example u gave, several countries had adopted GSM long before Nigerian government decided to drive its adoption. In fact, it is it's suceess in those countries that drove Nigeria to adopt same.

You see these are the questions the government must provide convincing answers to if they want the buying-in of the people as far as this CNG conversion matter is concerned.

GloriousGbola:
because governments have to drive policy for adoption

tesla would have died if the obama administration did not give them a subsidy
solar power in china is thriving - but it is also driven by heavy govt subsidies
mobile telephony was available as far back as the abacha years - but until obj liberalised telecomms it did not debut in nigeria

the petrol subsidy has led to dependency on petrol as the soul or key source of energy.
diesel if better than petrol for heavy loads. i had resolved years ago that if nigeria did a full deregulation, i would start using diesel generators, because the numbers would no longer make sense

right now i have a client building a station. we have bought disele gen of 15kva. we were going to buy petrol gen of 8kva to 10kva. i am now telling the man to hold on - if petrol is at over 1000/litre, a petrol generator no longer makes financial sense

also, any new technology, even if cheaper or better is competing against already entrenched technology that the owners have invested in

iridium is a company that invested heavily in satelitte phones. they was a already a big market and it was going to get bigger. then GSM came along and killed their market. if iridium had been a larger company, or more entrenched, they may have tried to kill GSM through lobbying or FUD or smear campaigns

most importantly, as i have said previously, we cannot look to first world countries for solutions to third world problems.

But this explanation didn't answer the question.

The question is : " If CNG as a source of fuel is acclaimed to be cheaper all over the world, why is it that different countries (both third world countries and first world countries) are not adopting CNG powered vehicles enmasse"

Theflint1:
By the time they combine policing and its accompanying perks, they'd abandon their core responsibilities.

I'm sure there are still several aspects of their core responsibilities they're yet to touch on, which if they even do the way they should would be more effective in combating crime than just throwing guns in their hands.

Very soon u will see road safety patrol vehicles/escort running people off the road in traffic. If u don't give them chance they will break ur mirror with the butt of their gun.

The house of assembly that is giving the bill hearing definitely didn't think deeply about the far reaching implication of handing them guns

Theflint1:
The thing smells like a cheap way of having more persons perform the job of policing.

Sure, more like an admission on the part of government that police are not capable enough to discharge their policing duty. More like they are subcontracting the job to FRSC like they did to NSCDC earlier. And when that happens, they will definitely go rogue too

Theflint1:
Seeing how average Joe's are ramping up fear regarding the CNG initiative, you'd think that by now FG would have recruited professionals in the field to redirect and lead the conversation on the CNG initiative (that's assuming it's indeed what they're marketing it to be).

Maybe even have some cars on the presidential fleet converted to run on CNG, but they've allowed 1K per post influencers lead the conversation, and it's predictably getting pushback from a public that has every right to be suspect.

I'm not sure what people expected from a candidate that licked mic sha, it was funny to see during campaign season, and sad that we're being lead through this incredibly tough period by a packaged crook that's past his best physically and cognitively.

The whole thing dey always burst my head looking back and reflecting on that period.

iamoyindamola:
Naija roads that have been dominated by bandits and kidnappers
FRSC officials should not have anything to use to defend themselves
Haba mana
Pity them na, everyone knows 90% of checkpoints person must drop money

Even police officers japa when bandits and kidnappers show face on highway. Giving FRSC guys gun will not save them from real criminals, it will further endanger their lives.

iamoyindamola:
And they should do nothing when the criminals come

Which criminals?

You see ehn, giving them guns even make them target of criminals.

Normally everybody knows that a road safety job is check ur vehicle papers & drivers license, ensure u aren't overspeeding, confirm ur vehicle is safe to be on the road and ensure u are not posing danger to other road users while driving on federal road.

Nobody has any intentions of taking them out because they are not carrying any weapon to effect arrest.

The moment u give them guns, the criminals who have guns in their vehicle will be apprehensive and will shoot them on sight.

If u check the history of road safety officers who have died in the line of duty, its mostly due to the officers trying to do more than what their duty is . For example some of them will hang on the body of a moving vehicle claiming they want to arrest him by force. That's a fooolish and careless thing to do.

Let them just do their jobs and stop worrying about bearing arms that will put them in danger.

iamoyindamola:
How will they defend themselves against real criminals
Unless police or soldiers are with them I feel they should allow them carry arms

Their job is not to deal with criminals ; the TDS why giving them guns make no sense .

Their job is to ensure safety on the highways by checking that any vehicle plying the highway is in a safe condition and the driver is authorized & licensed to drive the particular vehicle he’s driving .

That’s why they are called Federal Road safety Corps ; they are to ensure safety on federal roads . Finish !

iamoyindamola:
This is the first time I am seeing or hearing they don't carry firearms
They should be allowed to, they are more professional than any government officials on the road and their job is dangerous
Thru should be able to defend themselves

Which yeye professional? They are as corrupt as the rest of the law enforcement agencies that stop vehicles on the road . All they are interested in is collecting money from vehicles carrying overload and claiming private vehicle tyres are expired .

Me I no rate them at all.

Giving them guns will only lead to more deaths in the long run. They will also be doing accidental discharge like other law enforcement agents bearing arms

iamoyindamola:
This is frsc right
I was sure the man was hit with ak47 because the passengers went to beg on his behalf

This is FRSC official , but I don't know how he came to bear arms because no law in Nigeria allows them to bear arms as of today.

izzou:
[color=royalblue]I don't know the demon that has been unleashed in secondary schools now

Boys and girls seeing "Stabbing" as a hobby[/color]

Well, this has always been the norm in public secondary schools even during my time in secondary school . I can't speak for other states , but I know public secondary in Lagos are wild like that.

Incidents of different secondary school students clashing are normal occurrence especially towards the end of the term and during special occasions like Inter-house sports. When such fights happen, u will see on display different dangerous weapons like planks, butcher knives, machetes, battle axe, etc.

Most of those people who engage in such fights during my time in secondary school turned out to be either NURTW guys, Okada riders, cultists and even worse.

iamoyindamola:
I used to see them with guns na, those Ibadan express way during 2010-2015
My school was in osun, there was a time the drive claimed he didn't see them on time when they stopped him at gbongon they pursue us till we reach akoda and made us turn back
Omo they beat this driver o, with koboko and butt of gun, then they carry gun wella

Maybe u are referring to NSCDC(i.e civil defense who wear dark blue uniform) and not Road safety. Road safety have never had guns .

larride:
Or maybe those call seller can start importing CNG cars also. I doubt average Nigerians can afford to buy new cars produced in Nigeria without any financing structures.

FG say make people convert to CNG as its cheaper but it cost from around 950k upward for the conversion kit.

Come be like say na whine them dey whine us

Na big whining dem dey whine us.

Aside companies and few private individuals, majority of Nigerians don't buy new vehicles simple because they can't afford it. Only people that have ajeseku will cough out 950k to convert vehicle to CNG when u are not even sure if the vehicle will develop complications after conversion.

seankafor:
https://x.com/OgaNlaMedia/status/1844627794308784277

This is why I avoid interstate road trip at all cost.

It appears as though the FG and security agencies have conceded highways to robbers, bandits, kidnappers and unknown gunmen. If you travel long distance by road and u come back safely, it's just by stroke of luck without witnessing any kidnapping incident or being a victim urself.

But if u talk, APC people will say security situation has improved from when Boko Haram was controling some LGA's in the northeast. Now u are not even safe in the south .

GloriousGbola:
this may not be a proper analogy

my generator was 4 years old. when i put it on lpg, it was burning oil, and a cylinder would not last 10 hours. now with a new engine, it is not burning oil and a cylinder is going for like 18 hours plus.

i suspect the real issue is that so many cars have already been fked by mechanics with multiple tolerances adjusted. the conventional wisdom was change your car every 4 years, not because of age per se, but because the more mecanic touch am, the more fked the engine is. that may be the root issue, tweaking an already fked car engine

The majority of vehicles on naija road are second hand vehicles which were either accidented in the original country of use. Most Tokuno vehicles have check engine light on which means that whether u like it or not something is already wrong somewhere .

Like I said earlier , the best thing is to wait for a period of time to see testimony of the first set of people that convert their vehicles to CNG. If it’s positive then one can also follow suit but if it’s otherwise , u will be grateful u waited things out.

Things are damn expensive now and it’s not worth risking the health of ur vehicle . Well, that’s my opinion sha

Segedinho:
Tinubu..Remi n other top politicians don't really have problems tbvh.

Their mercenaries/footsoldiers chief security defenders and people ready to sacrifice their life for tribe sake and the real deal

The way some of their foot soldiers cap on twitter , u would be wondering if Tinubu gave them a blank cheque they normally cash out anytime they push out propaganda .

There’s this guy pastor okezie or whatever his name is ; looking at that guy u can see he’s not even doing better than the people he’s trolling online for not supporting Tinubu’s anti-people’s policy.

When u look at the guy’s shop where he sells building materials and even the church he pastors , u can tell he’s not winning at all. But somehow the guy will just keep defending rubbish all in the name of being a party man. I just Dey wonder wetin Dey work people like that

Segedinho:
I read it is not really ideal for a longer distance.. .

I also someone saying for every 100k kilometers u cover , u will need to spend heavily on maintenance of the vehicle . More like CNG has effect on engine performance of vehicles .

The best thing is to wait for enough people to convert and share their bitter-sweet experience before venturing into it.

Segedinho:
Baba no need for shame......

Men that openly says the truth irrespective of their prior stances are the real men...

I knew Tinubu would be bad but I never for once expected it to be this devilish. ....I rarely posts cos na so so anger full my belle whenever I see small "hope" n "tunnel" prophecies......

Your pain isn't exclusively urs,it is almost everyone.....


Things are extremely worse and I am in awe how Nigerians are maneuvering..

Remi want us to work harder.....like wtf.

The bold is my own major concern too. I always wonder how other people are surviving . I literally ghost some acquaintances simply because I know the moment u ask about their well being , when they tell u exactly how they are something must drop from ur hand. Even though I feel guilty about not checking up on them ,there’s not much I can do because I also have my own responsibilities.

When u see wife doing teaching job in private school where they don’t pay above 70k and husband working in a company where he earns 150k, u begin to wonder how they will manage 220k combined family income to spend on feeding for 30 days, NEPA bill, make provision for annual house rent , cater for the needs of 2 kids etc.

WhoDeyHause:
Lmao, Make everybody just double una hustle after the sermon of Nigerians going to the farms to grow their own foods didn't bode well.
Well here's another banger from first mama.
https://www.nairaland.com/8236350/no-food-lazy-man-remi#132373776
Gbaumdeuter and sheikh oasis, better money plug, When?

Omo! Just look at the way they casually call Nigerian citizens lazy 😲

Buhari called Nigerian youths lazy and Remi Tinubu is doing same . People are getting poorer due to their government’s policy and all they can do is imply that the people are not hardworking enough .

Na wa o. Well, I don’t blame her though I blame the people who saw shege under Buhari and still went ahead to pass Remi’s husband the baton to impose renewed shege on us all

Forget the insult part , this guy raised a very valid question.

Since CNG as a fuel is cheap worldwide , why are car manufacturers not mass producing it ?

Even as India large population big reach , 13% of the vehicles sold in 2023 are CNG powered .

larride:
Na those wey dey trust Dangote i dey laugh. ( OasisX suppose dey front row dey collect cane ) Dangote will always prioritize his profit margin over anything. The only good thing about the refinery is that we will finally be able to know our daily fuel consumption as a nation as Dangote has implemented a metering system to track their deliveries.

Tbh i don't know why Kyari is still NNPCL GCEO. The failure to even get the PH refinery working after like 5 different announcement is enough for sack not to talk of the corruption in that organization.

Your last paragraph, i thought i read it few days ago that Dangote refinery is free to sell fuel to any marketer that want to buy, NNPC is no longer the sole buyer from Dangote. Let the IPMAN go and deal with Dangote directly.

But why can’t Dangote just come out and say “ I will be selling PMS at N750 to IPMAN o” and let everybody know that’s the price he’s selling , wwatch out for the selling price from IPMAN and let’s all know that subsidy is gone completely ?

The funny thing is NNPC is still interested in importation of PMS. The whole thing is just crazy . Today Dangote will be at loggerheads with NNPC fighting them for misrepresenting facts and the next tomorrow Dangote is guarding the price he sold to them like it’s a national security secret.

Continuing to keep Kyari as NNPC GMD is an indictment on Tinubu and it shows he’s not ready to solve any problem in the oil and gas sector . There’s no justification whatsoever for Kyari to still be the GMD.

I’m annoyed that for 8 years of Buhari we kept hearing the PHC refinery will soon be up and running . Tinubu is nearing 2 years anniversary and it’s still same story . I can bet with 100% confidence that if the refinery is sold , the private investors will do a TAM and the refinery will be working within the timeline set for its re-opening . The staff will even be absorbed by the new management , just that they will now be made to work for every Naira they earn and not the old way of getting paid doing absolutely nothing .

larride:
Dangote that was jumping from one TV station to another and releasing press release everyday, how far now. They announced oil sale to him in Naira and they increased the price of fuel again. Shey Dangote told us that his fuel is cheaper than the one they were importing.

Na thunder go fire Dangote for deceiving Nigerians and double thunder fire Kyari for promising the start of PH refinery every 3 months with no result in sight. Triple thunder fire Tinubu for not sacking Kyari since.

Nonsense.

Dangote really carried a lot of Nigerians handicap , although I have never believed his entrant into the oil and gas market will change our oil industry woes .

At best , Dangote’s refinery will generate income for the federal government in terms of remittances as a business entity ; but definitely not going to do the common man much favors . If u are lucky enough to be qualified and get a job as an employee there , good for u. Dangote will never sell cheap fuel except he gets subsidized by the FG.

I think one major thing should be clear by now ; subsidy was never the issue . What is called “subsidy scam” was obviously the brain child of NNPC management , unscrupulous marketers only keyed into it. The fact that NNPC has refused to be transparent up till this moment definitely suggests they were the ones behind all those inflation of subsidy figures. Na dem Dey run am , oil marketers/importers just joined them in chopping the largesse .

Just look at NNPC buying from Dangote , refusing to sell to IPMAN at reasonable price but want to add their own profit margin despite doing absolutely nothing. Later when it’s time to account for all the funds and remit to federation account na stories go follow . House of assembly will do hearing and all, but that’s where it stops.

larride:
Make them just sell this country for Alibaba make them lock gate. make everybody find their square root.

😂

Who will buy a country where we have armed bandits , Boko haram terrorists , unknown gunmen, etc ?

The person go buy trouble

larride:
The price of transport is ridiculous. from my place to Ikorodu garage that was 200 naira before subsidy removal is now 600. from Garage to Ketu that we used to enter 400 or at worse 500 is now 1k. The more the cost of transportation keep soaring, the more food prices keep soaring.

Even the minimum wage they increase. they haven't starting paying yet and baba dey go vacation. I saw the disaster of this fuel subsidy removal coming but i never think it will be this worse all caused by Tinubu lack of solid implementation of whatever plan he has (if he has any).

And it seems we are just starting sef.

You are one of the few people who was objective enough to acknowledge that the haphazard subsidy removal was disaster waiting to happen.

Nowadays, grown up adults literally lap themselves in public transport just to save cost due to the high cost of transportation . Food prices keep soaring , electricity is expensive , fuel is expensive ; SMEs are literally dying off .

How do u even advise a young school leaver not to venture into Yahoo-Yahoo? Artisans are being seeing any job to do. Mechanics don’t get to repair vehicles like they used to because people have stopped using their cars as much as they used to( Most people use their cars lightly on weekends ). Artisans like electricians , aluminum window guys , bricklayers , etc are hardly getting jobs because nowadays people are hardly spending money on building projects.

People are spending majority part of their income on feeding and transportation now. It’s looking like we are in a dark place and the current leadership don’t know what to do to bring on the light other than to just keep promising false hope of “Tomorrow go better “

larride:
Drilling and exploration is damn expensive. In this period where almost all the IOC are looking to diversify their portfolio and move to offshore and alternative source of energy, nobody is going to put that much money into onshore exploration that is damn expensive.

They should at least stop oil bunkering first, let us reach optimal production of the one we are exploring. Oil price has been stable in the international market for at $75 for some time now but almost all the money we should get from our own share of oil production has been pledged away in one loan or the other.

The difficult terrain of the Niger Delta makes it almost impossible to stop bunkering . Even with the combination of Tompolo’s Tatiana and Nigerian Military , it’s quite difficult to police our oil facilities adequately .

Also , corruption and the level of injustice we have in this country makes it difficult to stop people from engaging in bunkering . There’s a general perception in the Niger delta that the Niger Delta oil is being used to fund the lifestyle of elite in different parts of the country . Like a Niger Deltan feels it’s unfair Nigerians from other parts of the coubtry get to one oil blocks , live large while their own region where the oil is being explored is left in a bad shape.

I believe that’s what pushed some people into bunkering . The fact that the security agencies charged with safeguarding those pipelines are equally corrupt is a major issue . Naval personnel posted for security operations in the Niger Delta are automatically seen as potential millionaires just like customs assigned to border patrol duties .

While u are right that IOC’s are moving to cleaner source of energy , I believe if the price is right some Asian investors will still be willing to invest in drilling and exploration of our untapped crude