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izzou:
[color=royalblue] You're sure it is a few?

Or you want to hold on to that as the last straw, after finding out it is not ALL FINAL YEAR STUDENTS?

When we see the video, you want to bet that it is a few?[/color]

Bet what? That all students of the department engaged in the road show? I can bet u that all students didn't engage in the road show.

There's a reason why there's student affairs department in a university system. Let the school management collaborate with the student affairs dean and fish out the erring students for appropriate punishment. If the school can't do that, then they are not fit to be an institution of higher education in this age and time .

AbokiWam:
Immediately after Covid..Uniabuja VC once tried something similar like this before.

The students blocked that major gwagwalada - giri express road leading to the airport for almost a full day.

Armed soldiers had to be sent to be able to get those guys away.

He later went back on his word

That's exactly what I'm saying.

Student union should take the school up and lock everywhere down; the school Mangement will go back to their senses.

iamoyindamola:
When you signed out in school, were there some that didn't join in the celebration?

Yes! We had people who wrote their exams and left immediately. We had people who couldn't even afford to buy that Final year shirt people customize.

Why are u acting like u didn't even saw extremely poor fellow graduates in NYSC camp? There were people who couldn't afford to miss a single meal served at the NYSC kitchen simply because they couldn't afford to buy food at Mammi market.

This is something they have been planning all semester, the school knows students have cars and have blocked access areas before
They released a memo to address this, the students couldn't plan their FYD in a way not to violate school law
The school react , you want to blame the school
The students should snitch on their mates then if they don't want to rewrite because that's what I will do

This is where u are missing it. The law is made for students and not for departments/buildings.

If the school is saying students should not do this and they believe students have done exactly this thing, the onus is on the school to fish out the erring students and punish them accordingly. It is mental laziness and complete irresponsibility for the school management to punish all students for something they do not have evidence to show that all students did.

I have given a very logical example of police arresting the whole occupants of a building simply because one person in that house assaulted a policeman. It is wrong and illegal.

izzou:
[color=royalblue]My point is everywhere has a law

You steal public funds in Nigeria? You go to jail
You steal in China? You are killed.

If you don't want to be killed, go and steal in Nigeria.

AAU has a right to put a law. You and I and the 3 departments cannot dictate to them how to run their school.

They repeatedly passed the memo and yet 3 departments decided to flout it. How come others didn't? You should ask yourself that

We can fight for the others by using videos to fish out the perpetrators; since what the Dean and HODs saw on that day isn't enough.

Or better still, they shouldn't rewrite. They should protest like you said. [/color]

You are just trying to turn logic on its head but u are failing woefully at it.

You claimed 3 departments flouted the school laws , nobody has argued to the contrary .Now answer this question: "Is it fair to punish all the final year students of the 3 departments for an offence committed by few of them?" .

I'm sure u will never answer the question because u know the answer will flaw ur own logic.

If the Dean, HOD's and lecturers are that are saddled with the responsibility of Moulding leaders of tomorrow who are supposed to create a fair and just society cannot be fair in apportioning punishment to specific erring students; what gives u the impetus to think this country will ever be better?

If u will support such unreasonable stand by the school authority, why not let us just revert to military rule in which anybody can be punished at the discretion of whoever is in power without thinking about fairness and proportionality when meting out punishment?

izzou:
[color=royalblue]The school has a law for fucck's sake. Why are you not concerned that Graduating students won't keep to it?

Last year or so, Covenant kicked out 2 Muslims for wearing Hijab on JAMB day. It is a law in that school, and yes, they have the right to uphold it.

Why are you emphasizing on injustice, when all the departments in AAU obeyed, except these 3?

Should schools not have laws again? If someone was killed in that celebration or properties were vandalized, we will still come back and call AAU a useless school.

I hope they don't rewrite it sha. Is it not Nigeria again?[/color]

What are u even saying?

You are providing example of covenant kicking specific Muslim students out (not all Muslim students but the particular erring ones) to justify AAU punishing all students who took their final exams that day. Can't u see how flawed ur logic is?

You have stylishly refused to address the injustice of punishing students who wrote the same papers but didn't have car to block gate nor bundles of cash to throw away.

We are speaking for those students here, we are challenging the school to fish out the few erring students and punish them while sparing those that never partook in the show.

izzou:
[color=royalblue]Evil?

They didn't suspend or expel anybody. Just come and rewrite a paper and it is evil.

If na Covenant, na expulsion straight, and I am 100% sure it would not be evil. We would insist there was a law already.

I support you sha. They should not rewrite it. Let them protest and block all entrance and exit points till the school changes this decision.

I hope I am not supporting evil now.[/color]

It is evil because u are suggesting it is okay to cancel the papers of everyone who wrote the particular exam despite knowing fully well that all the students could not have been involved in the offence they are to be punished for.

iamoyindamola:
It's an unfortunate situation they were warned ahead
I am sure if they go back to rewrite the exam, they won't celebrate loudly
So what changed?

The law doesn't work that way.

The law will not say we warned every member of the society not to attack a police officer, but since one occupant of a building attacked a policeman; then we will arrest all occupants of the building.

GloriousGbola:
it is the same thing

the irony is they know at least some of the people partying and can easily identify them if they wanted to

how many students have cars for motorcade?
they will be all over social media as well.
is it not how one chick got into trouble for wearing a shirt with a funny slogan?

if they want to identify the students who did this, they can easily identify some of them. they are the ones in authority

this is an act of mental laziness typical of our so called egg heads

Simple as ABC! It is just mental laziness and nothing more.

I'm surprised anybody would even support the school management on this grave injustice.

There must have been videos online that triggered the school management to convey a meeting where the decision to cancel the papers was discussed. Why can't they use the videos to identify and punish the erring students instead of giving a blanket punishment?

iamoyindamola:
All students bawo
There are 3 courses there na and with the codes they ain't general course code
The school must have narrow down the culprits to list out these courses

So according to ur logic everyone who wrote the particular exam owns a car and participated in the motorcade parade after the exams, sprayed bundles of naira notes and blocked the school entrance gate with their cars right?

I'm sure the school senate must have seen videos of the students involved in the "show" before they convened their meeting. The reasonable question to ask is why can't the body of academics in conjunction with the student affairs department use these videos to identify the students involved in the "show" and punish them accordingly?

The only reason u can be having this kinda opinion is because u are not caught in the middle of this whole mess.

izzou:
[color=royalblue]That is not what the memo said

It identified 3 departments as the violators; Mass comm, English, History and International studies., and it listed the exam papers that were cancelled.

3 departments in one faculty alone.

Which one be all students there?

Make dem shut down the school and protest. I really hope they don't rewrite it, so justice and fairness can prevail.[/color]

So all the students in the 3 departments engaged in the activity according to ur logic right? So all the students of the 3 departments must be made to rewrite their exams right?

U can't claim to be enforcing a law while trampling on the rights of innocent students.

You really don't know the evil u are supporting at all. It's just like one person beating a policeman in uniform in a 3 storey building and the next day the police shows up to pack all occupants of the building, detain them and charge them for assault on an officer of the law. If the police cannot identify the specific individual who assaulted the officer, then they are wrong to arrest and jail the whole occupants of the building.

iamoyindamola:
Without severe punishment students will continue to violate laws, but why is it hard to just abide by rules and regulations in this country

Thoughts like this is what makes military men take over government and start engaging in human rights abuse.

U need to understand that for someting to be called a law, it must pass some tests. Is the so called law fair and just to the people it is to be applied to? Is the so called law proportional to the offence committed? Is this so called law repugnant to public policy?

In the above questions lie ur answers.

izzou:
[color=royalblue]Did you read the memo you posted?[/color]

I did. The memo was referring to all students who wrote exams on that particular date . What is the probability that all the students of that faculty and department were involved in the motorcade and excessive celebration ?

Some of the students couldn’t even afford to eat a meal before the exams .

I’m taking this personal because if this had happened to me in my final paper I will be mad as 4ck 😡. On the day of my final exam I was dead broke and just wanted to write the paper , page the school premises the next day and go look for wetin Dey turn money for streets .

Anybody telling me to rewrite an exam because some yahoo boys brought their car to show off after exams is definitely going after my life at that point .

When I was in 400l the school management abruptly announced the date of our 400l 1st semester exams and date of closure of course registration on the school portal out of the blues .

A lot of students were in disarray and saw extra semester staring them in the face . They appealed for the school to have a rethink but the school management didn’t budge . To think indigent students comprised the vast majority of the student population didn’t move the school management one bit.

The portal was eventually closed and a lot of 400l students hadn’t registered their courses before the closure . The implication of this is that even if u pay ur school fees after the cut off date , u still wouldn’t be able to register ur courses and any exams u write ; the result will never get uploaded to ur academic profile .

On the day th me school scheduled for the first paper , student union guys and multitude of students don mount school compound as early as 5.30am. They pursued the school security guards off their duty post and stationed patiently waiting for the reinforcements of armed anti-riot policemen to show face . They sacked the VC and deputy VC’s cars , had to be dispersed by anti riot policemen and the school was closed indefinitely .

The school management caved in and allowed ample time for the affected students to register and write the exams as against their initial position. I never saw anything like that before 🥵

As it then I wasn’t in support of the students’ actions and even till now I don’t think their actions sit down well with me , but that was the first time I saw students acting in unison against what they believe to be against their common interest and won.

I believe the Ekpoma guys can take a leaf from the situation.

izzou:
[color=royalblue]So you think it is 1 or 10 people that broke that law, before AAU decided to cancel papers?

I won't be surprised if the SU follows your advise sha. Is it not Nigeria again? They should even burn down the school sef.

A simple law will be given, and we would not follow it. When there's a penalty, we immediately turn the tables.

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I go university and I graduate ; I know the number of students always engaging in excessive celebration are few in comparison to the total number of students in the entire university system .

If u follow news of various university convocation , u will see news like :”16,000 graduates from Unilag at the 55th convocation “…. Now the question is do u see 16,000 final year students of Unilag doing a motorcade , hooting of horns and blocking access to university road in Yaba? The answer is a big NO! The people who carry out this excessive celebration may not even be up to 200 of the entire graduating class . Why make all of them rewrite their final exams?

If u want to talk about laws and penalties ; then u should be easy to talk about fairness and also proportionality of penalties in relation with the offences committed .

izzou:
[color=royalblue]But schools should have laws, abi?

No spraying of money, no hooting unnecessarily, no blocking of access roads; All of which students violated.

This is not an issue of Almighty wisdom, but just a simple law that we as Nigerians will never keep.

If it was a University in the US or UK, no Nigerian born of a woman would think of violating it; no matter him level for cultism or Yahoo.[/color]

So if schools should have laws , the penalty should be to cancel all exams written by all students and ask them to reseat exams Abi ?

What happened to identifying the students involved in the “breaking of the school laws “ and punishing them for their” offences “?

If u want to go about the route of UK or US schools then u should be ready to do what they will do in the same circumstance . Those schools u want to reference will fish out the perpetrators/guilty students who carried out the car display , unnecessary hooting and blocking of access roads; they will punish them accordingly .

The point is: It makes absolutely no sense for u to tell me wey borrow money to buy candle to read for my last exams to go back and reseat am exam I gave my 100% best simply because my fellow students chose to break the law . Nobody punishes the entire populace for the sin of few in advanced society .

I still maintain that the student union has the mandate to fight this injustice on behalf of the innocent students .

Matters Arising at Ambrose Ali University Ekpoma:

The school earlier issued directives prohibiting excessive celebration of final exams involving car display, spraying of money, shouting and hooting within ghe campus. Apparently some students violated this directive and the school management in its "almighty wisdom" thinks the best punishment is for them to cancel all papers written on the final day of the exams .

My personal opinion on the matter : The only reason this nonsense injustice will stand is if student unionism has died in public universities in Nigeria . Under any guise , there’s no justification whatsoever for any student to be made to rewrite an exam he or she didn’t fail nor was caught engaging in exam malpractice .

If the student union of this school knows their onions, they should stage a massive protest that will shake the whole state , shut down every academic and non academic activities within the school premises indefinitely and force the school management to come down from the high horse they are seated on.

In fact , they should occupy the school indefinitely such that even if armed policemen and soldiers are deployed to the school premises they will be unable to curtail the students who will insist the school management goes on radio to announce reversal of this callous and useless memo. The school senate/management should not even be allowed to seat and deliberate on the matter within the school premises .

mine3112:
I totally agree with you. Whoever that sanctioned that loan move should cover his or her face in shame. It is a total shambolic!

Edu Gasper signed Sterling and Ian Wright was one of the people who claimed Sterling deal will be a magnificent deal for the club

iamoyindamola:
Kim kardasian Ikebe super was injured almost through out his loan spell but he scored the win pk which took us to the final of fa cup
This sterling is ashira oja, we should send him back tonight sef

Na champions league final Sterling dey save his wonder goal for 😜

If we are to judge Sterling by the first 6 months I'd his loan at Arsenal, I think we can unanimously agree that his loan spell has been worse than Kim Kaalstrom loan at Arsenal under Wenger back in the days. 😩

Sterling life Don spoil finally, he still miss free PK

iamoyindamola:
At 28 he can’t develop again

Nothing is impossible in football, there are players who are late bloomers like dem Diego Forlan

Merino has a lot of blending to do if he will make it at Arsenal. He's just busy ghosting matches, misplacing passes and strolling when he loses the ball.

Goal disallowed for Girona by the way

Sterling weyrey the scuba diver

Roland17:
Again, this is why I said Arteta is free to use his players as he pleases, however, you should question without hesitation if a coach of a top club just suddenly decides to play his best midfielder or slowest midfielder in Jorg as RB (using your analogy).

I will entertain and respect a decision that isn't detrimental to the team, especially if the play and stats support it. It is also okay for some of you that support Arteta to look at performances and stats and be comfortable enough to say playing Partey as RB isn't productive for the team nor is the player fairing well in that position. This is in total isolation of the fact that it is his still his choice.

You guys don't necessarily have to see every push back on some of his questionable choices as hate. They are valid questions that are backed by facts.

I don't know where the bold is coming from, but u need to go back to my initial post u quoted. Junior questioned why Arteta was starting Partey as RB in this particular match like he does in "all matches ". He also suggested Zinchencko be tried in LB and I explained to him that Arteta likely starts Partey at RB because he played the position at his previous club and played it well. I also mentioned to him how none of us has really seen Zinchencko in an Arteta team's midfield and that Arteta may have ruled MF role out for Zinny because of how Zinny switches off defensively often.

Now tell me how any of my post suggests that I'm calling u or any other person Arteta -hater? Show me where I suggest that any push back from u is from the point of hate 🤷‍♂️.

Partey out for Timber.

So they both play 45 minutes each 🤷‍♂️

Roland17:
Honestly, this isn't semantics for me but clarifying facts that has become a narrative, not only from you but others who use it a basis to support Arteta's decision. The only reason I quoted that post is the presentation of an argument like Partey played regularly in that position with Atletico.

Like I said in my prior response, Arteta is free to continue playing him, I mean we are witnessing the results but his history as RB shouldn't be a justification. The stats on goals conceded when he plays as RB are facts that cannot be distorted either.

Lolz. This talk about justification Sha. Why do u feel anybody who sees reason with some of Arteta's decisions are justifying his actions?

I mean if Arteta just suddenly decides to play a Jorginho who has never played at RB in that position we will all raise eyebrows, but a Partey who has done shift in RB at his previous club is definitely what one can still see reason with.

This same season the ale Partey played RB vs Loserpool and he played the position quite well. But here u are making it seem like all the matches he's played at RB under Arteta were the worst matches of his career.

Talking about goals we conceded when he played RB, Are all the goals from Partey's sloppiness in RB position? Are all the goals due to Partey being the poorest player on the pitch?

Spy360:
What's this complaint about?

We have Man City and we need Timber. Better to have Partey as RB at Girona than against Mna City if Timber gets injured.

Partey playing does not mean he is preferred

I don't even know why this is so hard to figure out.

Any fan who sees that line up and knows of our upcoming city game should not be bashing Arteta for that lineup at all.

2-1

Roland17:
I guess where I am going is that, using Partey playing RB "regularly" at RB as a justification is inaccurate. I am not saying there can not be another justification, maybe Arteta see's it differently.

In 7 seasons Partey played in Spain with Atletico, he featured 11 times as RB. To detail this even further, there are 38 games in a La Liga season which translates into 266 games in his 7 years. That means, in Partey's entire career at Atletico he featured a mere 4% as RB. 4%, isn't regularly and enough justification to support Arteta's decision to play him at RB.

Below are the times he featured as RB for Atletico/ season and by no means does it translate into regularly

16/17-UCL-1
16/17- La Liga - 3
17/18 - UCL- 1
17/18 - CDR - 1
17/18 - La Liga - 3
17/18 - EEL - 1
18/19 - La Liga - 1

Well, at this point it appears u want to dwell in Semantics even when u know what point I was trying to make in my initial post.

So before I proceed let me withdraw the word regularly and replace it with "multiple times". So I will repeat my point again : Arteta is playing Partey at RB at Arsenal because Partey played RB at Athletico multiple times and played it well.

Now do the same stats of number of matches Partey played for Arsenal as DM/CM and jusxtapose it with the number of matches played as RB; I'm sure u will see that Arteta has not committed any crime for now.

iamoyindamola:
Nah you are justifying the reason he’s playing him as a RB
Zinchenko is more of a midfielder than a LB but you already thinking for arteta that he’s error prone


Btw partey never start at RB for Atletico Madrid, kindly check it

I'm not justifying anything ; I'm stating a fact that he played RB at Athletico Madrid.

Roland17:
Question... How many games total did Partey play for A. Madrid before we signed him and how many games did he play as RB?

I don't know the motive behind your question, but I hope u know I was only pointing out the fact that Arteta didn't just wake one morning and started playing Partey RB. He plays him there because the guy has played the position at his previous club and he played it well.

That being said, the number of times he played RB at Athletico will definitely be on Transfer Market website.

johnjunior39:
Is easy for you to try Partey at all times in RB but you cant try Zinchenko in midfield

What makes u think Arteta has not seen Zinchencko plating in midfield before?

Do u honestly think the Zinchencko who always goes to sleep defensively in his LB position will not be a walkover in Arteta's midfield that requires intensive work?

We've trashed that Partey in RB matter over and over again. Partey has been playing RB regularly at Athletico Madrid long before we signed him at Arsenal ; Arteta is not jut playing him there for trial and error purposes. He's playing him there because he is good at it. Nobody knows if Zinchencko will be a good fit for our midfield except Arteta who trains them.

PS: I'm not saying Arteta should keep playing Partey in RB, but I'm only telling u that using Partey's RB role to call for Zinchencko's MF trial may not be ideal like u think.