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Jodera:
The way our players tackle needs to be studied especially Saliba. The way they just poke the ball away from you when you think you've guarded it 100% sometimes makes me laugh.

That's one of the big reasons we're one of the least 2 yellow carded team last season

I still don’t know how Saliba does it. If he were to be an African-African , I will say “ na juju”

I mean he gets it right almost every time. I recently saw his performance vs Haaland last season; Omo he just kept bodying him as the last man. No breathing space at all.

I guess his physique and football intelligence match each other . He just seem to know how to use his bulky structure while applying sense to those tackles and unsettling opps

Jodera:
Where I watched, some were saying he nodded it straight, I just laugh. One Man u guy was saying he should have controlled it first before shooting, that one I just knew it's disappointment from not seeing Arsenal losing at that point than Watkins making a wrong decision.

Raya made a wonderful save and if that situation was to repeat itself, I still believe Watkins would still have nodded it same way cos that ball was coming fast towards his side.

The reflex save from Raya was top.

Exactly . Harry Kane in Watkins’ position would’ve nodded the ball in same direction. Raya was just in a fantastic form to have pulled that terrific save.

It’s just like that Maddison free kick back then when we played Leicester that Ramsdale saved. It was 💯 goal bound until Ramsdale’s finger tips saved the day.

I guess when u are doing well as a team in England, u just have urself a lot of rival fans hate-watching every game. City used to get the full hate-watching heat until we started competing with them and now we share out of their hate-watchers who belong to rival fans

Theflint1:
The conversation has tethered on comparing STEM vs non-STEM grads a bit sha...

But if a non-STEM course gives you zero advantage over a STEM grad for those non-STEM jobs, isn't it better to kuku do the STEM course and have more options available to you?

If STEM is that person’s choice , fine. But if as a parent u start forcing ur child to do STEM because u believe STEM is the only way he can make a name/career for himself , then u are not really a good parent (sorry to say)

raumdeuter:
Yes and I worked in non STEM because after I couldnt get into Oil company.

I went and bodied those who that was their pinnacle of their career.

Their first choice was my own backup. Can they say the same? And some of the guys we entered together still left when STEM opportunities came. So I had more options STEM and non STEM jobs, while they only had non STEM which in many cases they still get shenked at aptitude test level

Its like your dream girl is someones backup choice

U will only body people who don’t know their stuff; those that do have equal chance as u do. Nothing to see there.

It’s all about how smart the people u are competing against are , it’s not about the course they studied .

raumdeuter:
The STEM graduate will fight for Schlumberger Process Engineer, Schlum Admin staff role role and still fight for your EY, Access Bank entry level role
While the History grad cannot compete for the Schlumberger Process Engineer role

Basically The STEM grad can compete for all 4 positions while the History guy can compete for only 3. Those sef, their aptitude tests once it goes towards Maths favor the STEM guy. Unless if the aptitude test s about History

How many schlumberger , Shell, Chevron , etc are in Nigeria to absorb 1/64 of graduates in STEM related courses ?

Egbon u studied a STEM course , I’m sure u worked in non-STEM before u relocated . That’s my point

DeadPresidents:
Depends on the company calibre.

You’re not getting a graduate trainee role at Goldman Sachs with a 5.0 in History and International relations.

Ultimately both graduates will have to ace interviews but preselection means the Historian will be left in the past whilst the mathematician plots a trajectory to the offer letter

This discussion is centered around the situation in the Nigerian labour market, not what obtains in the west na . Read the conversation from the beginning .

izzou:
[color=royalblue]If it is to fill an engineering role nko?

I guess that's the part you are not paying attention to.

Anybody who excels in any field is bright, but also, there's some advantage that STEM bound students have because of the subjects they have taken

A STEM student can slot in to a non-engineering field, but it is difficult for the NON STEM student.

They both have an equal chance for a non engineering role. Switch the role, and the history student automatically is out.[/color]

U probably didn’t follow the discussion from the onset.

My initial post to Ibime was that there’s no need to keep bashing people who choose to study non-STEM courses. He’s bashing non-STEM courses because he thinks most of those courses are useless.

Now I pointed it out to him that most people who studied STEM courses in Nigeria usually end up doing jobs that are non-STEM related because Naija is not a place where STEM really thrives like that. Like u will have a degree that u won’t be able to work in that field but still end up doing non-STEM jobs like auditing , accounting , HR, & Admin etc.

Why bash people who chose to study non-STEM courses who already know everybody will still end up in non-STEM job market ?

I’m not disputing the fact that History graduate cannot fill the role of an engineer , but where the engineering job Dey ?

Theflint1:
The point is, your average Math grad is smarter than your average history and international relations grad (keyword being average)...when the bar isn't graduate trainee post, you'd see the difference between that your 5.0 Math grad and the History and International Relations 5.0 grad.

Courses differ in difficulty levels, consequently graduates from the more difficult courses are on the average smarter than graduates from less difficult courses.

First and foremost what do u mean by average. Define average .

izzou:
[color=royalblue]Graduate trainee role in Access bank, or Schlumberger?[/color]

If the graduate trainee role in Schlumerger is to fill the a non-engineering role , then the History graduate has the same chance as any other person.

DeadPresidents:
I’d say if you can do a STEM course, you should probably do it. There are intangibles you pick up that are useful in any situation. Intangibles such as reasoning from first principles, optimisation etc

Also, fundamentally the world is a competitive marketplace. If you’re sure you have enough literature talent to become the next R.L Stine or Steven King, then stay in your social sciences field but if not, just remember the competition is brutal.

An example, I have a friend from my Uni days who just completed his Bachelors in Medicine and Surgery. This niqqa is also really versed in Android/Web/Machine Learning and has years of experience there. He asked me to go through his CV and I was like, "only problem i see in your CV is that you’ve got too much credentials"

Imagine you carry your History and Religious studies degree follow this kain person find work

The crux of the matter is ; in Nigeria if u study STEM related courses , ur chances of landing a STEM related is not high because there are few STEM related jobs out there.

Eventually u will have to drag jobs with non-STEM graduates . Trust me, if u meet people who studied non-STEM related courses to drag job, ur chances of getting the job is same as theirs . I mean the smart ones. It’s not like ur STEM degree suddenly makes u better than them in any way.

Anybody who thinks otherwise is just massaging his STEM ego. A student who graduates with 5.0 CGPA in history & international relations and another who graduates with 5.0 in Mathematics have equal chances of landing a graduate trainee role simply because they are both smart.

I’ve watched the replay of that Saturday match va Villa over and over again and I still don’t understand why rival fans kept saying Watkins messed up.

The only time Watkins messed up was that first half chance he played off target under pressure .

That Raya’s save in the second half is what it is; a SAVE. Raya deserves the credit for having a very sharp reflex to have saved a sure goal. Rival fans are making it seem like Watkins wasted the chance and not that Raya made an unbelievable save.

It’s not even like Watkins played the ball in the middle ; rather he placed the ball in an almost impossible-to-save position. One of my friends who is a Chelsea don wail tire untop the matter . 😂

raumdeuter:
Some things challenge your brains more than others. And if you find your comfort zone you will just coast until you meet bigger obstacle
Life is hard and getting harder, the more harder stuffs you are exposed to early in life the more your brain develops and can conceptualize it
No one has any guarantees but some things just position you better, even going to school is no guarantee

Anybody can pass any test if they have the brains and study for the test.

All those aptitude tests that multinationals , big 4 and banks use to sieve chaff out of job applicants ; people who studied art courses pass it too. No big deal.

There’s nothing wrong in advising ur ward to study STEM course but if he or she prefers art/social sciences ; it makes no sense forcing them to do STEM.

So far ur pikin no talk say him wan do LGBTQ ambassador , u are safe 😂

Theflint1:
I think the idea is, if you're smart or think you're smart enough to do STEM, do STEM. If you'd done some STEM course and excelled, you'd most likely still have been able to get the job and in a year or two of personal studies fix background issues.

There's also an upside to doing social sciences and some management courses even though you have the brains for STEM...it's like a cheat sef, easy 1st or solid 2.1, which is good for job applications...though I struggle to see how it isn't you shortchanging yourself in the long run sha.

Now the bold is where my point lies .

Because someone chose to study mass comm doesn’t mean he’s dull or does not have the brains to do STEM. Studying a STEM related course does not guarantee ur success in life ; the world has evolved past that kind of reasoning .

Look at someone like Wole Soyinka , he rose to the pinnacle of his career in the arts. There are hundreds of his contemporaries who are in the sciences that nobody even hear their name beyond their village or community for being great.

People can follow their passion in non STEM related courses and rise to great heights .

I’ve seen people that studied STEM related courses and are not even smart.

raumdeuter:
By the time you check the average Tech bros, You will realize almost 70% of them have STEM background and to really excel in it beyond the surface level you need some level of conceptualization that is usually sharpened by STEM courses

In STEM you fit spend an entire lifetime studying things that are not relatable to normal human. By SS3, I can take govt exams without ever attending classes. Sometimes it just seem like current affairs to me and by reading enjoyable things like History, Newspaper and Novels you can scale History, Govt and Literature

Normal Maths when you get to Square root of -1 you say impossible even most basic calculators will say Error. That square root of -1 Na 1 full semester course when you start studying complex numbers.

Its that type of abstract reasoning of things you probably wont encounter in day to day that makes your brain sharp and see regular maths as moi-moi

The thing is ; if u are smart then u are smart.

If u are smart , u can understand concepts , u can do self study and learn about almost everything u want to learn about.

Studying STEM is not the only guarantee that u will make it in life . Study what u are comfortable with and make sure u really know ur stuff.

raumdeuter:
When people say passion, Or I enjoy my job. My question is can you do it even if you dont get paid?

An example of passion is watching football or supporting Bayern.

Your job that pays you is probably something that is boring, you probably hate and wont touch it if not for money

When you make that money then go do passion

Passion actually means what u are comfortable doing.

For example I had the best result in the JSCE exams during my JSS3 and I was placed in Science class automatically . I met with the VP academics and it took me a great deal of time to convince her I prefer commercial/social sciences .


Eventually nobody in my set had a better result than I did in SSCE . I had passed GCE in SS2 and I slammed WAEC in SS3. None of the science students who were supposed to be more brilliant had anything close to my result .

Today I work in an organization some STEM graduates wish they can actually work . Nothing spoil .

I’m sure if u were my parent u would’ve insisted I stayed in the sciences even when I wasn’t really passionate about STEM.

There are lot of students struggling with sciences simply because they were compelled to study STEM related courses. Almost every year u see year 1 medical students fail to proceed to medical school simply cos they are just not good enough for the medicine they opted for

raumdeuter:
Its true. In most fields, someone with a science background can crossover and excel. I know guys who were science students and now lawyers

Can an Art student or social science student decide to study Engineering or Pharmacy?

I once worked in a Bank and of the 50 people hired like 40 were STEM people. Cos for aptitude test STEM guys with Maths knowledge go don body all the Social Science and Art students

In my set in OAU, One of the big 4 came to conduct tests for final year students, The top 10 were 8 in Engineering. I think one was in Sciences Physics or Chemistry The Engineering boys wey no send these companies. That test day all the Engineering guys enter test venue with Palm sandal and Jeans, The Accounting boys and Social Science boys wear suit and most of them no still pass am. These companies are the pinnacle of their careers where they dream of the way Engineering boys dey dream of Oil companies

Na for the interview venue most of the Engineering boys dey borrow suit and tie

Things have changed with tech now.

People study philosophy , English language , political science , etc ; they take one or two tech courses and they are doing well for themselves .

The era of measuring intelligence based on studying STEM courses has passed.

iamoyindamola:
I started work in 2017 and the company provided HMO even though some of us didn't use it
Then they stopped and we protested because it was our right
They didn't remove 1 kobo from our money for health

That’s how it should be

Ibime:
Mass Com is not a passion, it's a last resort

You can accept Law, Economics, Business or
Languages as proof of intelligence from arts course, maybe even Philosophy, that's it

Languages is proof of reasoning and following rules to construct a language (similar to coding), so is Law. Economics and Business include Maths and Commercial acumen. The rest na rubbish

U are a typical old school naija parent that will force their child to study STEM related course instead of following their passion. 😂

izzou:
[color=royalblue]You said 2022 naa[/color]

I said a law was passed in 2022 making it mandatory for all employers to provide health insurance for their employees.

Prior to that , most decent companies provide HMO for their employees and they don’t make the HMO part of their gross annual package. I wish I can share documents here but for private reasons I can’t.

Typically ur Gross annual salary will comprise of various components like Basic, Transport , Lunch , Education, furniture , etc. After the gross is summed up, they will now go and list “Other Benefits” which will include HMO, 13th month, Provisions/Dry Ration etc.

The only reason they decided to legislate the health insurance thingy is cos of what unscrupulous employers do making it seem like they are doing their employees favor with HMO

izzou:
[color=royalblue]It is not a contact job. I was a Field technical staff for a Digital Ad company

And this was 2017 or so, not 2022[/color]

The company definitely exploited u and the rest of their staff

Ibime:
In the bank or in EY will you not do calculations?

You can't be taking risk of telling a Masscom graduate to put 17% on something and they will be looking at you like ode. You think it's a joke but most non stem people cannot do basic everyday calculations required in those jobs.

STEM course is a test of natural intelligence. It is proof that you can handle some concepts and calculations. Go and check all JAMB highest scores, they all end up in STEM. The only social science that intelligent students go on to do is Law or economics. So once you see STEM, LAW or Economics on their degree, you know a process of natural selection has already taken place to weed out the dumb ones from the smart ones and you can go ahead and interview the smart ones instead of wasting time..

You think its a joke but employers do discriminate on this basis and I take this very serious in my personal life. I have been fighting my niece for the last year. She is a prodigy but refusing to do Maths A Level. She is talking of Philosophy, Sociology A Levels, Biology and bla blah blah. I said Biology is good for Medicine but at your level of genius, you must include Maths to really rubber stamp your genius so employers can see it. Any Tom, Dick or Harry could score well in Philosophy by writing long essay, but science is where genius is proven.

This is her GCSE result below. 7 is equivalent to A, 8 is a A* and 9 is A**.

How will someone with this kind of result reduce themself to the level of an average Jane by taking sme sme courses that any Chinyere can do. You must show Maths A Level, and even if she goes on to do Medicine or Science in Uni, the Maths A Level will give her the foundation to be great in any STEM course she does.

Lmao.

A Yoruba education graduate who gets employed at EY or KPMG will take ICAN the same way an accounting graduate or Engineering graduate will and they will all pass once they are sound.

U can argue all u want but there are people who studied mass comm and other art related courses working in the big 4. In fact just go to linkedin right now and type “ Mass communication kpmg” ; u will see profile of people who studied mass comm and currently working in KPMG pop up.

If u are smart u are smart ; forget all these Okpata yarns about dexterity or no dexterity

izzou:
[color=royalblue]I don't even know what receiving a salary looks like.

The last job i did, HMO was included. And i hated hospitals

I was told i should use it, or else, i was paying for nothing.

I'm surprised to hear HMO is not part of salary[/color]

I suspect the job u are referring to is a contract job. That’s what those bastarrds do, they make it seem like HMO is part of ur salary ; they are cheating u.

Health insurance has been legislated in 2022. Ur employer must provide health insurance for u, it is statutory and not key of ur salary in any way.

All the jobs I’ve done none of it has made HMO part of my salary .

izzou:
[color=royalblue]HMO has everything to do with your gross salary.

Pension has everything to do with your gross salary.

70k is the least you can pay = Gross salary.

You cannot be holding on to NET, when they specifically wrote the why it would be so[/color]

Okay I hear u.

I just explained to u that only 8% of ur gross pay can be deducted as pension statutorily which is N5,600 out of N70,000. after that ur tax will be deducted. There no how ur tax will be as much as N20k.

Ur Health insurance is not tied to ur salary be it gross or not. It is a stand alone.

But I know u will not agree sha.

Ibime:
STEM allows you to work in all the fields you mentioned. A basic competence in Maths is guaranteed with STEM which is an element in all the jobs you highlighted and is what all those roles are looking for. Whereas with social sciences, you cannot guarantee any competence in Maths whatsoever. The only social science guys that are dextrous are lawyers and economists. Any other social science and your CV is going straight in the bin. Harsh reality of life.

Which one is dexterous?

Is it not that they will first train them in those jobs ni? If u are an engineering graduate who gets employed in EY or First bank, u will have to undergo training like everyone else. All those talk about dexterous is just to massage ur STEM ego. The same training they will give a Yoruba education graduate is what they will give a mech engineering graduate who has been drafted into their graduate trainee program.

The crux of the matter is , most STEM degrees are useless in Nigeria because there are no much STEM jobs waiting for them in the labor market. so, I don't the need for continuous bashing of social sciences job. Maybe if u were talking about labour market in the UK, US and the west in general sha it will make sense.

raumdeuter:
NLC should face UAC foods

NLC wey no serious . They don’t always follow up with implementation in the private sector; it’s only FG they will be facing.

izzou:
[color=royalblue]Only lunch will account for 15k there.

There's HMO
Pension
Leave allowance
13th month.

Point me to any minimum wage jobs that had/have these.[/color]

Lolz.

HMO has nothing to do with minimum wage . There’s a law (National Health Insurance Act 2022) which makes it compulsory for employers to provide health insurance for their staff.

Pension is also statutory . PENCOM act 2004 mandates ur company to arrange contributory pension scheme for their staff ; it’s only 8% of ur salary that will be deducted as its contribution out of the 70k while ur company will pay 10% from their pocket.

Lagos state government job has leave allowance and 13th month which has nothing to do with the 70k minimum wage.

The fact is that 45k is in contravention of the minimum wage bill Tinubu just signed.

izzou:
[color=royalblue]It's 45k Net.[/color]

Igbayen nko?

Do u think tax and pension will account for the 25k shortfall of the N70k minimum wage ?

Ibime:
Student loan is just a ruse to increase school fees to a sustainable amount that can fund the universities operating costs. They will all go bad. Masscom guys still need to drop out the tertiary education system sha

The way u guys always bash social sciences , arts and humanities course graduates ehn; one would think Nigeria is a country where there are job opportunities for STEM related courses.

The funny thing is the people who form bulk majority of unemployed in this country are actually those who studied STEM courses.

Go to KPMG, EY,PWC,Delloitte, Banks, Insurance companies, HR consulting firms, etc; na engineering graduates, Biochemistry graduates, Geology graduates, etc full there.

How many jobs are available for STEM course graduates in this country? If not that the aforementioned companies absorb them, where do u think those STEM people will be working ?

In the real sense of things sef, STEM is like waste of time in this country because most of the graduates of STEM courses don't work in STEM related jobs.

daveP:
Observation: We are not a tackling team.

Last season we no dey top 14. This season we no dey top 10 after 2 games. Sleek or bleak?

We usually have most of the possession in games so obviously we don’t spend much of the game tackling to win the ball back.

We also press our opponents so much that they surrender the ball to us and we keep recycling possession till we get to their box area where we shoot at goal.

Only few of our players actually do tackle ; Partey or Jorginho & Rice in midfield ; and if the opposing players beat them they have Saliba to contend with.

I think it's a sign that we are dominating our opponents . I'm sure during the time of Emery when we had dem Guendouzi in Midfield, David Luiz, Mustafi & Sokratis in CB position; we would definitely be topping the tackle list .

andrewbaba44:
Jackson should just keep up the good performance unless na Chelsea fans go drag am and not even Mikel

Mikel obi is just like every other Chelsea fan here dragging Jackson ,nothing serious.

If Jackson can be reacting to Mikel’s criticism in such manner, I wonder what he will say to air mark if he reads the kind of things he’s been saying about him. 😂

iamoyindamola:
The werey mikano see iyawo divorce iyale
We were building a fan base for him already na just to come sign he switch
I am super glad we got Trossard

As in.... I am just happy Trossard is cooking, and I will be happier if Arteta gives him that starting role he deserves. I would not want us to lose him to another top team because he's unhappy playing from the bench

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