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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 2:10pm On Jul 23, 2024
monerozi5590:
Now, you know they are the sole importer. I can now rest my case.
You missed the part where anybody can still import ?

If any of the importers can source their own forex independently , they can import as at today .

This one u said u want to rest ur case, are u sure u are no longer interested in fighting for Dangote to be the only one supplying Nigerian market petroleum product ?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 2:06pm On Jul 23, 2024
monerozi5590:
Just forget this thing you are saying. NNPC are in charge.

Nigeria produce 1.6/7 barrels of oil per day. This is the official figures we know oh. The ones they corner and oil theft is not among oh.

If NNPC want to give Dangote crude, they can. As of last year they promised to sell to Dangote. But all of a sudden, their strategic interest doesn't align again.
Were u not the one that showed me a link few days ago that FG borrowed another crude-backed loan ? What do u think NNPC mean by that ?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 1:47pm On Jul 23, 2024
monerozi5590:
That link I sent to you is two months ago. NNPC is the sole importer
At a meeting between key oil marketers in the country and the Nigerian Midstream and Downstream Petroleum Regulatory Authority (NMDPRA) on Tuesday to address the issues of incessant scarcity of petroleum products, the NMDPRA chief executive officer, Farouk Ahmed, emphasised that the NNPCL is currently the sole importer of petrol into the country.

This is as the major marketers lamented their inability to import petroleum products, despite having active licences to import

The PIA, which was signed into law in August 2021, was aimed at reforming the country’s oil and gas industry, including the downstream sector. One of the key objectives of the PIA was to encourage competition and attract private investment in the importation and distribution of petrol. However, the reality paints a different picture.

According to industry experts, the NNPC Limited has maintained its stranglehold on petrol imports due to its ability to access foreign exchange. This advantage has made it difficult for independent marketers to compete
This is from the Link u shared. I told u there are other importers of peteroleum product because I actually followed the news and knew some importers were granted importation license.

All the news is telling u is that those importers are expected to source their forex instead of getting forex from FG like they were doing in the past. Of their own volition to choose not to source forex independently despite having import license. How is that NNPC fault?

Now the same NMDPRA that Dangote is fighting are encouraging importers to buy locally from Dangote if they can't access forex to carry out importation on their own. The marketers are kicking against it and want to do their importation themselves.

You see NMDPRA is even trying to help Dangote , but Dangote wants importers to buy locally from him and also have NNPC stop importation. Is that fair to u?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 1:34pm On Jul 23, 2024
Segedinho:
I don't think any sane person would want to risk buying an un-ideal fuel as announced by the NNPC chair


If NNPC repugnant post was about the price being too much, it would have been more logical....

We are yet too get d full gist on while he isnt able to saturate d federation with his fuel or possibly why he isn't being supplied crude at an ideal price..


I read, he grumbled on the price he was going to get Nigeria crude vs imported ones...

Importing crude even when we have surplus seems to be abnormal..


There is a reason we are yet to own a refinery.
You have been reading the wrong news bro. We don't have surplus crude available like u are assuming.

We have pledge some of the untapped crude to pay our creditors, so as soon as they explore the crude it gets shipped to our creditors.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 1:29pm On Jul 23, 2024
larride:
US is one of the highest producer of oil in the world and they still import and EXPORT oil.

I don't understand why some people want Dangote to be the only one calling the shot with his refinery.

If your own oil is cheaper, marketers will buy it over the imported own because they themselves want to make profit and cut cost.
This is basic economics.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 1:22pm On Jul 23, 2024
monerozi5590:
You didn't answer any of my question.

PIA was signed into law in 2021. Before then the petroleum market was not deregulated.

Prior to 2021, NNPC are the sole importer of refined petroleum products.

After 2021, NNPC are still the sole importer of refined petroleum products.

There are no marketers importing refined petroleum products anywhere.
https://leadership.ng/despite-pia-petrol-import-monopoly-persists/

There's no new entrants anywhere.
Dangote is the new entrant who wants NMDRA to ban importation of petroleum products just to favor him.

They have since explained the reason why they can't do that and their reason is logical.

By the way, I don't know where u are getting u info from, but as at June 2023 , Six private companies were granted importation license for petroleum products.

In fact, I know Emadeb energy still imported petroleum product in July 2023.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 1:15pm On Jul 23, 2024
larride:
I don't understand this argument, should NNPC stop importation totally and rely on only Dangote refinery, is that the argument or bone of contention?

Do you think this is reasonable?
I don't think he even understands himself grin
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 1:09pm On Jul 23, 2024
iamoyindamola:
https://www.nairaland.com/8162575/soyinka-intend-keep-quiet-tinubus


Shame!
Shame!!
Shame!!!
Abeg who get that got shame meme
lipsrsealed lipsrsealed lipsrsealed
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 1:05pm On Jul 23, 2024
monerozi5590:
This is logic and business. Will you allow that kinda of unfair advantage?

Who are the importers of refined petroleum products into the country aside NNPC?
So they should kill importation off for him who is a new entrant ba? Where is the logic in that ?

So tomorrow if Dangote wakes and says he can only afford to sell "not enough" quantity to Nigeria while exporting majority of his refined products, what will we do?

I guess we will all start blaming NNPC for fooolishly leaving Dangote to decide when we get fuel and what quantity we get as a nation.

The earlier u start seeing Dangote refinery for what it is ( A private business set up for the sole aim of making profit), the better .
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 1:00pm On Jul 23, 2024
Segedinho:
IMHO.

Dangote refinery would have impacted d country positively in terms of forex and "cut-cost".
Wheater monopoly or otherwise,we have think about its positivity.

We are over-reliant on imports and this has taken us aback...in a bid to maintain balance,we should encourage local satisfaction and exportation with his products.


We can as well begin the fight if and only if his price tag becomes dubious...
If indeed Dangote refinery will save cost and thus make his product cheap, why then is he not flooding the market with that cheap product so that the expensive product of the importers will not sell?

Pray tell
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 12:46pm On Jul 23, 2024
monerozi5590:
This is business oh. This is you undercutting local producers.

Let's say you and others have cement factory, will you as a person and the cement industry be happy for the import of cement into the country?

This year we saw how farmers in Europe protested against the import of Ukraine's farm produce into their countries .They protested because it will undercut their own produce.

What Dangote said is very very correct. NNPC importing in large volumes will undercut him and other local refineries. NNPC are still the sole importer of refined petroleum products into the country.
Everything u have written here is just sentiment and nothing else.

Have the importers been existing before the advent of Dangote refinery? Yes!

Did FG/NNPC enter into any agreement with Dangote that they(NNPC) will cut off importers as soon as Dangote refinery come up? I don't know; I'm sure you don't know this as well.

So far there is no contract or agreement binding NNPC to Dangote and vice versa, make each party do what works for them.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 11:44am On Jul 23, 2024
TrebleChamp:
This is not just about Dangote bro, we have seen foreign Company's leaving the Country recently. Govt should find a solution to this matter, so as not to discourage intending investors. That is my own position on this matter....
You are conflating different issues together.

Those companies leaving the country are citing foreign exchange losses, high interest rate , etc as their reasons which we have dragged FG for.

But Dangote is moaning about being asked to compete with importers. They are two different things.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 11:09am On Jul 23, 2024
Theflint1:
A solid point is made on energy security, but I wonder if Nigeria's energy needs would be priority if for any reason he's getting better prices for his crude oil products outside Nigeria.
Herein lies ur answer . Dangote is doing everything he's doing for profit motive.

If tomorrow he gets crude for a better price from let's say Iran, do u think he will buy from Nigeria? Especially if he didn't sign any agreement with NNPC that he's under compulsion to buy from them.

If u remember immediately the refinery was commissioned by Buhari we started hearing stuff like " The Dangote refinery will not necessarily make fuel cheaper". Whereas all through the construction period we were under the impression that the refinery will solve all our energy crises in this country. We were seeing it as a joint venture between the FG and Dangote to end our oil and gas problem. It was then Dangote came out and started singing a different tune.

I don't pity him one bit because he was part of the con job done on us for so long
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 10:43am On Jul 23, 2024
GloriousGbola:
otedola is one of the last people that should be talking.

man's fortune is 101% govt patronage

he used objs influence to chance everyone else

this actually ties with what blueraydick said - na when e no favor them dem go find mouth dey talk
Dangote , his friend Otedola and Adeshina have got Treblechamp where they want him to be .

In one breath they claim this whole issue is not about Dangote wanting to enjoy monopoly and in another breath they are saying “ Dangote cannot be asked to compete with importers “….smh . Just look at the screenshot from the Otedola’s tweet.

Why can’t Dangote compete with importers ? What makes him special ? I thought it is a free market . Dangote is free to source crude from anywhere in the world and he’s also free to export refined product to any country in the world .

So why does he want the FG to ban importers from importing products that will compete with his own refined product in Nigeria ? Did he sign any agreement with NNPC that gives him such privilege ?

I mean this is the same Dangote that has continually maintained that siting of Dangote refinery in Nigeria doesn’t necessarily mean we will be buying cheap fuel . This is the same Dangote that set up a London trading office just for the purpose of managing crude and fuel deals for his refinery all over the world .

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 8:22am On Jul 23, 2024
GloriousGbola:
The point I am making is that normally once northerners are involved in rofo rofo, they will solve it internally. I witnessed an issue like that at a lower level. A contractor who should have been sacked and who was out of control. They resolved by meeting in oga at the tops place. I had worked with 'special' vendors but everyone still dey stay in their lane and try to respect process small. I am likely prejudiced but I have witnessed a sad decline I will probably discuss some day

Have you seen this

https://www.nairaland.com/8162311/dangote-some-nnpc-personnel-oil
I've seen it. Dangote and the people he's snitching on are birds of the same feather jare. I'm less concerned about his current ordeal, he's been in bed with these people for so long. He's only coming out now because this government is not "favoring him and his family " ni
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 8:04am On Jul 23, 2024
GloriousGbola:
Anyone who has worked in a professional capacity in a structured corporate environment will have issues with nnpc. Nnpc is not run like a business. It is a collection of different scams where highly placed people make money off of artificially generated problems

You want an idea of how bad it must be - these are all northerners who normally band together.
Nothing to see here. NNPC is just a typical government owned agency/parastatal/corporation. Forget about the NNPC Limited they call it now, it is still a federal government run establishment where the leadership is occupied by political office holders. The current chairman of board of NNPC Pius Akinyelure is Tinubu's padi who was former APC vice chairman. The man himself is a seasoned oil and gas expert.

I don't think whatever goes on in NNPC is about being Northerners or something along that line. Different ethnic groups work within NNPC and I believe every group is carried along in whatever scam is being run within that space
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 7:11am On Jul 23, 2024
This is the real Sakamanje ; the senior brother to Tulamania grin

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 2:11pm On Jul 22, 2024
iamoyindamola:
Who was that person that wants us to protest again


https://www.nairaland.com/8161658/tiktoker-junaidu-abdullahi-arrested-after
This was what I told the chelsea guy yesterday
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 1:03pm On Jul 22, 2024
iamoyindamola:


🤣🤣🤣🤣
grin grin grin grin grin

Na to go beg the airline operators with tears in his eyes o.

I doubt they will even allow him gain access to where the plane is again
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 10:34am On Jul 22, 2024
Theflint1:
1 + X + Ororo + BF + Kim Kardashian = Peter Obi cheesy
grin grin grin
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 10:09am On Jul 22, 2024
izzou:
[color=royalblue]Speech to passers-by?

Abi dem dey expect guests?

See the guy wey carry speaker sef. Hand don dey pain am[/color]
Passerby?

They know people in the area will come out when they know a minister is coming for inspection. So they plan ahead to engage them by bringing public address system with them na. Simple Struvs!
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 10:02am On Jul 22, 2024
izzou:
[color=royalblue]Do politicians prepare to give speeches when they visit construction sites?

Because how speaker and microphone take come out now?

Abi dem dey carry am for convoy?[/color]
He obviously planned for the speech and his aides arranged for a public address system along with them while going
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 7:29am On Jul 22, 2024
izzou:
[color=royalblue]Errrmmm, as much as i understand you, he was not speaking for only himself.

BUA and any other local refinery would benefit from this too.

Unless the Monopolists now have an association[/color]
Just dey play.

How many refineries were near completion as at 2021 when he made that request ? He was requesting a monopoly as at that time.

A monopoly which he intends to transcend to oligopoly when other refineries come on board; but before then he would've gained market leadership and have the rest of the market follow.

If u can read between the lines, u will see Dangote knows what he's doing. At this point, he's only using the people's dislike for the government to his advantage by whipping up sentiment.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 5:15am On Jul 22, 2024
Dangote has said the monopoly tag is unfair…. Yen yen yen….😏

This is a 2021 thread on Nairaland which reported the news of Dangote group seeking a sort of importation license monopoly

https://www.nairaland.com/6437570/dangote-wants-only-refinery-license

How can somebody be denying what his chief strategy officer demanded for 3 years ago ?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick:
Segedinho:
No 3 has been answered already.

We taught we had 20% stake but Nigeria happened and we realised that 12.5% of the borrowed money went to the dreaded bottomless pit...
Do you know there are other companies FG holds shares in this country and such companies don’t ask FG for monopoly ?

The companies just do their business , when they make gain they pay FG dividends like they do other shareholders and everybody smiles to the bank ?

So why is Dangote asking for monopoly for his own business?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 10:19pm On Jul 21, 2024
Some of the questions we should be asking are :

1. Was there an agreement/contract between FG/NNPC and Dangote Refinery that crude feedstock will be made available to Dangote at a price that will be favorable to him by IOC’s?

2. Was there an agreement between FG/NNPC and Dangote refinery that importation of refined petroleum products will be banned as soon as Dangote refinery starts rolling out products ?

3. Is the Dangote refinery a private business or a Joint venture between FG and Dangote group ; Just like oil exploration is a joint venture between FG and some IOC’s ?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 10:09pm On Jul 21, 2024
liveLongNprospa:
OH no I don't believe he wants to.
Eww.

I thought you meant premiumtimes twisted his words.
Dangote go whine u, but no panic 😎
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 10:00pm On Jul 21, 2024
larrideX:
Dangote is not selling shit.
You Dey mind them ?

Dangote that most likely still has a lot of financial obligations to the principal lenders for the refinery . A financial obligation he’s willing to see through before the refinery is finally his own.

A lot of people don’t even know how these things work. Maybe they think Dangote had $19 billion somewhere which he used to finance the refinery sef . 😂

Yes the refinery is valued at $19 billion but definitely the refinery was funded by a consortium of lenders whom Dangote will pay back in due time as per the facility arrangement . All those projects are debt finance .

If someone offers to pay Dangote off , he obviously wouldn’t sell sef cos he knows in the long run he will be the loser while whoever buys the debt will be the winner.

Make dem Dey dere make Dangote Dey play ping pong with their emotions
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 9:53pm On Jul 21, 2024
liveLongNprospa:
https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/715819-exclusive-aliko-dangote-offers-to-sell-650000-bpd-oil-refinery-to-nnpc.html?utm_campaign=twitter&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitter


It's not
I already read the news before saying it’s clickbait .

If u read the news and u sincerely Dangote is willing to sell his refinery , then I don’t know what to tell u.

The guy is just playing on y’all emotions and as it stands , it appears he’s been very successful while at it.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 9:36pm On Jul 21, 2024
liveLongNprospa:
Lmaooo.. Where nnpc go see the money?
Clickbait from Premium Times
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 9:31pm On Jul 21, 2024
Ibime:
Put address on this

BlueRaydick, please help this fella with your @ meme of that lady pointing to address
Done !
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 9:31pm On Jul 21, 2024
Theflint1:
"We need his brain, not his body" grin

We know what we're doing.

God bless the USA.

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