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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 9:36am On Jun 08, 2024
E clear , Clearn’t it ? embarassed

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 6:27am On Jun 08, 2024
A40:
They will chop minimum of manslaughter which is like 6 years.

Thinking they can reply slap with gun and not go to jail is naive.

I hope this is not how they view these things in real life sha .
The bold is also my concern. I hope they are only arguing for argument sake on Nairaland and not actually thinking a lawyer has magical powers to sweet talk a judge into agreeing that shooting ,knifing or planking someone who fought u with bare hands is self defense .
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 6:22am On Jun 08, 2024
Tochex101:
The trick is increasing the margin on less popular items.....
Such won't be done on everyday consumables such as soap, stationery etc.

When you need something like say Jack spanner, you'll get hit.
Then u people should buy in other stores if they do that in the ones u frequent . I have bought TV, microwave and home theatre system at a cheaper rate in stores before . Their prices were cheaper than what was sold outside ; that was my own experience .
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 6:55pm On Jun 07, 2024
iamoyindamola:
That's what we have been saying na
If you can't stand up against your opponent and you apply weapon leading to severe consequence
It's all self defense
That’s not what u’ve been saying . U were saying if someone exchanged blows with u, then u can plank his head or stab him to death and claim it was self defence . No judge will free u on self defense plea for that in this naija .
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 6:38pm On Jun 07, 2024
iamoyindamola:
So David would have gone to jail for stoning Goliath let's say it was a fist battle shocked
In the case of GEORGE v. STATE(1993) LPELR-1320(SC), the Supreme Court held that:

"Proportionality can be determined by the nature of the weapon used in retaliation, and the obvious disparity in the relative physical strength of the parties."
If Goliath had slapped David and David retaliated with a stone; he will be justified that the stone was self defense.

Read the bolded part of the above quote, it mentioned proportionality as regards the weapons used and obvious disparity in the relative physical strength of the parties . Goliath obviously has superior physical strength than David and and such David is justified to use stone to retaliate .
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 6:18pm On Jun 07, 2024
iamoyindamola:
It's because it's Nigeria
If someone have the intention of inflicting injury on you, you are within your right to defend yourself in anyway you deem
You just need one or two witnesses
Something like this was on FP, where a man killed his friend after his friend first cut his 2 fingers with cutlass
He was arrested and later released and charged to court

I don't think someone like that should be in prison because I didn't know the outcome of the court hearing
The bold is what I’ve been talking about. The force the man applied in retaliation is proportionate to what his deceased friend used in attacking him.

Go and read the two cases I posted up there again.

If someone go as far as applied a machete on u infliction serious injury , u are within the ambit of the law to use equal force to defend urself. If he dies in the process u can plead self defence and it will work out fine .

But and someone engaging in a fist fight and u break his head with plank or stabbed him to death ? U will go to jail( No way out ).

The notion that u can use any means to defend urself without limits is wrong . Anybody that has that mindset will regret finding out the hard way when matter sup later .
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 5:47pm On Jun 07, 2024
larride:
I'm not talking about slap now. Slap no be fight now. You argue self defense in a fight.

If person slap you, you slap your own back.
Whatever the form of fight u have that leads to the death of the other party , before ur plea of self defence can be admissible they will measure the proportion of the retaliation to the initial attack on u by the deceased .

If u are not a law enforcement that is actually empowered by the law to apply force when a suspect is resisting arrest ; it will be a Herculean task for u to successfully prove ur use of superior force on the deceased is justified .

That line of reasoning of “using any means to defend urself in a fight “ has sent a lot of people to jail. A lot of people are in jail because they planked or knifed an assailant that exchanged blows with them .

This is not an academic exercise , it is the reality in naija o
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 5:30pm On Jun 07, 2024
iamoyindamola:
Lol
Naija law is for those with levels
But truly in the case of self defense if you see you are at great disadvantage it will be fair on the law for you to take desperate measure to defend yourself
I hear u.

U people are making these arguments against pronouncement of the highest court of the land grin

Issokay o
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 5:27pm On Jun 07, 2024
larride:
All these is left for lawyers to argue now. Person wey carry 2 by 2 pako to hit you, if you shot him balls, na still self defense even though the force of the gun is greater than the stick.
There’s nothing for the lawyer to argue . How will the lawyer justify slap is proportionate to a bullet to the head ?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 5:25pm On Jun 07, 2024
izzou:
grin grin grin

[color=royalblue]Raumdeuter left the Group [/color]
Raumdeuter lives in the US , their laws obviously differed from ours . Na why people wey Dey live for naija no supposed follow his school of thought otherwise, ewon na prison grin
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 4:55pm On Jun 07, 2024
iamoyindamola:
Thank you
Don't thank him o. According to judicial precedent, if u follow his advice na Sanko straight o grin
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 4:54pm On Jun 07, 2024
larride:
Law of self defense doesn't work that way sometimes o. You protect yourself with whatever you can lay your hands on.

It only becomes premeditated manslaughter if you continue after the first hit/shot has already separated both of you.
Read the below carefully and focus on the bold.

In the case of MOHAMMED V. STATE (2020) LPELR-50919(CA), the Court of Appeal stated as follows:

"The defence of self defence is clearly a child of necessity. It is a defence that is not pleaded as a matter of course, but one in which the defendant is expected to establish that he was at the time of the killing in reasonable apprehension of death to himself or grievous harm and that it was necessary at the time to use the force which resulted in the death of the deceased in order to preserve his life. As an important aspect of the force used by the defendant must be shown to be proportionate to the force used or imminently threatened against him and reasonable in the circumstances in which it was used. The defense of self-defense, of course is not available where the person attacked used a greater degree of force than was necessary in repelling the attack."
In the case of GEORGE v. STATE(1993) LPELR-1320(SC), the Supreme Court held that:

"Proportionality can be determined by the nature of the weapon used in retaliation, and the obvious disparity in the relative physical strength of the parties."
Before u can successfully plead self defence in a manslaughter case in Nigeria, this 3 elements must be satisfied:

1. There must be reasonable apprehension of death or grievous harm;
2. It was necessary to use force at that time;
3. The force used by Defendant must be proportionate to the force used or imminently threatened against him and reasonable in the circumstance.

No go shoot person wey wan slap u or wey slap u o.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 4:41pm On Jun 07, 2024
iamoyindamola:
That's why it's self defence na
For me to avoid the situation of loss of hearing pr coma I defended myself with what I have
Unless naija law is not fair on self defense their is nothing wrong in defending yourself with whatever you see
The law is fair. The law expects u to retaliate with a force that is proportionate to the force that was used to attack u. U can't use whatever u see to defend urself.

What is not fair is u shooting a man who slapped u. The law is a reflection of the Yoruba saying " Kilagbe, Kileju" grin
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 4:30pm On Jun 07, 2024
iamoyindamola:
I disagree
You can slap me and the slap is fatal
I can lose my hearing or enter coma on process
Lolz. grin

See u see prison. Somebody slapped u then u shot him with a gun because u believe his slap could've led to loss of ur hearing/landed u in a coma. But did u lose ur hearing or enter coma? No, because if u did u won't have shot him in retaliation. cheesy

This ur disagreement is the reason why prisons are full because people dey assume wetin no dey inside law.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 4:08pm On Jun 07, 2024
liveLongNprospa:
Am I the only one seeing this shit?
For real? 🤣
grin grin grin grin
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 3:29pm On Jun 07, 2024
raumdeuter:
Private citizens own guns in Nigeria, There is a rich man where we dey go pluck mangoes when we small and we heard he has a gun. I just think the condition for gun ownership is very stringent and involves a lot of man know man
Even if u own gun as a private citizen, u will still need to prove u shot on self defence basis. And to prove u shot for self defense, u will need to prove the other party was capable of harming u and even about to harm u before u shot.

If ur fellow man punch u and out of anger u shot him back na jail straight. The law will not permit u to be shooting everybody that throws a blow at u.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 2:15pm On Jun 07, 2024
GloriousGbola:
you are talking to a texan cheesy cheesy

If the only tool you have is a GUN, everything looks like a Target.

2A for life!!! from my cold dead hands!! the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun!!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvN2XpupeeE

raumdeuter be like

NEVER HESITATE TO PUT A NIGGA ON HIS BACKK!!!!

if that guy wey dey dodge paying on his bet dey for texas you can be assured raumdeuter would have bust a cap in his arse! [pun unintended! ]
Maybe na population control dem dey use the gun do sha
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 2:14pm On Jun 07, 2024
afrodoc2:
Unfortunately, your opinion even though is the logical one, does not stand in many US states.

If you punch someone and he shoots you, he might get away with it.

The main challenge this guy’s lawyer would have is explaining why he emptied the clip, not why he shot. A few less bullets and a good lawyer would get him off without any punishment, in some US states.
I honestly do not have knowledge of the US legal system, my response to him was from the Nigerian legal system point of view.

Omo that their US na another continent on its own sha cheesy
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 2:02pm On Jun 07, 2024
raumdeuter:
So if its an area boy who cornered and started punching you, and its clear you can't overpower or stop him, with hands on a gun, what will you do?
Area boys are criminals ; but then again how did u come about a gun as a private citizen ?. Unlawful possession of fire arm is still a crime in naija .

U Dey use crime fight crime ? 😂
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 1:52pm On Jun 07, 2024
raumdeuter:
I am not sure this is right, So I can only shoot people who bring a gun and anything less than a gun should not be shot?
So if Mike Tyson is punching me and my hand touches a gun, It will be manslaughter?
Mike Tyson punching u is different na. Mike Tyson is a trained boxer whose blow is actually capable of sending u to hospital bed.

What I’m telling u is; the law will require u to prove that ur life was in serious danger before u resorted to using maximum force to defend urself .

A man of almost same size as u cannot slap u only for u to shoot him in response . U will be jailed .

Even normal assault and battery sef , when u are using self defence as reason for assaulting another person u must make sure the forces applied is proportionate to what the other person was capable of doing to u.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 1:36pm On Jun 07, 2024
raumdeuter:
How do you judge this

If the guy with the gun is a security agent empowered by the law of the land to effect an arrest while the other guy on boxers shorts is a criminal; he can claim he was trying to arrest a criminal who resisted arrest and he had no choice but to apply maximum force.

However, if they were both civilians then the guy with the gun has just committed manslaughter irrespective of the fact that the guy on boxers attacked him first.

U can't use self defense as an excuse if the proportion of defence is not commensurate with the proportion of the attack launched on u by the other party. For example, if I slap/punch u and u decided to shoot me because u have a gun in ur possession, the law will not accept ur defence that all u did was self defense. In the face of the law ur act will be deemed as manslaughter. U can't use gun to fight me wey punch u na
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 11:45am On Jun 07, 2024
izzou:
[color=royalblue]ISWAP murdered 3 people and Airmark did not say anything? angry[/color]

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 11:06am On Jun 07, 2024
izzou:
[color=royalblue]Broccoli for Aboki wheelbarrow, cheap pass Broccoli for Shoprite

Stationeries at Kings street, Lagos Island and CSS Bookshop is cheaper than ShopRite

There are items that are rip offs in these big malls.

But in general, they have more cheaper items, especially those made in Nigeria[/color]
Imported food items like broccoli, apple, pear , etc. are actually smuggled in through land boarders like Seme, Badagry.U know clearing goods in Cotonou port is cheaper. Abokis buy from those who bring them into naija and they are cheaper than the one shoprite imports from South Africa which they pay standard import duty on.

As for stationeries, most of those publishers of books and those distributing stationeries have direct access to those sellers around CMS side. I honestly don't know why shoprite stationeries are more expnsive sha .
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 10:53am On Jun 07, 2024
iamoyindamola:
Blueraydick
Do you watch power book 2
S4e1 just dropped
No I don't. I abandoned the original power series and promised myself not to watch any of its spin offs.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 10:43am On Jun 07, 2024
chidekings:
also another example,most phones like techno,ifinix and the rest are way costlier in the malls than their counterparts outside the malls,and yet they are the same quality and everything.what i see as the problem is when buying outside,you should know where to look and not just buying from anyone you see.
You are conflating two different issues na. We are talking of food items, provisions, toiletries, electronics, groceries and other household items sold in malls like Shoprite, Spar , etc. Vs what is being sold in the market by retailers.

If it was about phones in shops in computer viallage vs Phone in stores like Slot, microstation, etc; of course that's a totally different argument all together
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 10:03am On Jun 07, 2024
GloriousGbola:
it is actually the other way round.

indomie is currently 400 or higher on the street but in at least two malls it is N335 for the 100g pack

market square has consistently sold coke below what it is sold everywhere else. it is only n the past month they raised their price of coke to 350

you have to take the time to check multiple stores. because sometimes, you actually cannot make sense of their pricing regimen. ie one store ha s the item for 5k, another has it for 7k

by the time you regularly visit different stores, you will know which one is the best place to buy a particular item

and that is the problem with the market, because they will always size you up first before giving you a price.

if you are in festac, avoid temple hill though - since their fire incidents, their prices have been 101% ridiculous.
The bold is the koko.

I detest the fact that market men and women will just size you up and start giving outrageous price. Sometimes u will be too angry in ur spirit to even know where to start haggling the price. Unlike malls who already determined the cost price, added their profit margin and fix a selling price which u can either buy or refuse to buy after comparing the price with price elsewhere
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 9:55am On Jun 07, 2024
chidekings:
most malls use this tactic,some basic things will have good prices like drinks and things like indomie.....but for many other stuffs,the profit margin they put there is outrageous.
Which other stuff is their profit margin outrageous? Mention those items.

I bought a TV, a microwave, and a home theatre system in the electronic section of these malls sometimes in the past and at each point in time the prices I got were better than what Emeka, Chimaobi, Okwy God and sons sold in their big electronic stores. And the chances of buying a fake appliance is even reduced when u buy from these malls cos they buy directly from the major distributors in naija.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 9:51am On Jun 07, 2024
chidekings:
that rexona will be way cheaper in the markets.
Just dey play grin

Maybe it is the fake one u will buy cheaper in the market.

Do u even know how those malls make their money ? They buy in bulk at cheaper prices from either the producer(If the producer is Naija based) or major distributor( If the goods is produced abroad but distributed by a naija distributor). They are able to sell at either the normal retail price or even slightly lesser than the retail price on the street.

Booku for example, most people who sell noodles in shops now go to Booku to buy and resell in their provision shops beside the house cos it is way cheaper there.

How much Rexona does the shop beside ur house sell in a month that will afford him the luxury of selling original rexona at a price lesser than Shoprite that buys directly from source in large quantity?

See this ur sentiment is just fallacy and nothing more. Some of us have over time discovered it is cheaper buying from malls than normal retail markets. The only items that are relatively cheaper in retail markets are perishable items like pepper, tomatoes, maybe meat and fish.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 9:19am On Jun 07, 2024
chidekings:
when you cultivate the culture of going to the market to make your purchases,you will discover that most of this shopping malls are mini thieves.
lolz. This comment is neither here nor there.

Mention items u buy in shopping malls that are more expensive in malls than "markets". Is it beverages, toiletries, provisions , etc?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 8:38am On Jun 07, 2024
Ibime:
Sod09


https://www.nairaland.com/8117100/reno-omokri-culture-cutting-yam
Reno will say all sort of nonsense in this his sycophancy mode sha. He said they've been cutting yam to sell before he was born but he obviously can't show evidence that Yam cutting has been happening in Nigeria before Tinubu's regime. smh

I pity those that take him serious sha
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 8:33am On Jun 07, 2024
izzou:
[color=royalblue]Sorry, i didn't follow it from the beginning.

And also, nothing is wrong to me. If you wan sell am 2 billion, na your business be that.

Who wan buy, make e buy[/color]
Exactly ! It will even be foolishness on a businessman’s part to hike the price of his product when he has so many competitors springing up everyday .

For example within 15-20 minutes drive from me I could access 2 booku mart, 2 justrite, 2 Jendol, 1 Reno store , 1 Belenco and a few handful of not so popular stores/marts that sell almost the same products . If one mart decides to price themselves out of the market , I will move to the others with more competitive pricing .
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 8:05am On Jun 07, 2024
izzou:
[color=royalblue]He could be very right.

One of the strategies of those businesses is to commit a huge financial base to a product, and they get a much lower cost price. That way, a 100% profit would not even show to the consumer

Shoprite can pay for 10 million bottles of Coke. NBC may decide to sell for them at 1 naira per bottle. If they sell it at 30 naira, you would think it is cheap. But they cashed out well.

The ambience, their properties, structures, services, insurance, marketing...Do you really think it is 30 naira profit that is taking care of it?

What you call cheap as a customer, could be something the seller got a 300% profit from[/color]
What u described here is totally different from what he claimed in his post.

He claimed mega marts buy items and add 80% profit margins on it thereby making the product expensive unnecessarily to the final consumer .

Now what u explained up there is mega marts leveraging on economies of scale. They negotiate with producers to sell to them at a cheaper price because they are buying in large quantities so they can sell at almost same price with other wholesalers/retailers . The mart has not done any wrong doing this . In fact it is a commensalism relationship between the producer and the mart . Neither is the final consumer suffering by paying a higher price .

He alluded that mega marts deliberately hike prices and I’m asking him to show such instances and maybe mention such products he thinks they do that on

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