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A40:The bold is also my concern. I hope they are only arguing for argument sake on Nairaland and not actually thinking a lawyer has magical powers to sweet talk a judge into agreeing that shooting ,knifing or planking someone who fought u with bare hands is self defense . |
Tochex101:Then u people should buy in other stores if they do that in the ones u frequent . I have bought TV, microwave and home theatre system at a cheaper rate in stores before . Their prices were cheaper than what was sold outside ; that was my own experience . |
iamoyindamola:That’s not what u’ve been saying . U were saying if someone exchanged blows with u, then u can plank his head or stab him to death and claim it was self defence . No judge will free u on self defense plea for that in this naija . |
iamoyindamola: In the case of GEORGE v. STATE(1993) LPELR-1320(SC), the Supreme Court held that:If Goliath had slapped David and David retaliated with a stone; he will be justified that the stone was self defense. Read the bolded part of the above quote, it mentioned proportionality as regards the weapons used and obvious disparity in the relative physical strength of the parties . Goliath obviously has superior physical strength than David and and such David is justified to use stone to retaliate . |
iamoyindamola:The bold is what I’ve been talking about. The force the man applied in retaliation is proportionate to what his deceased friend used in attacking him. Go and read the two cases I posted up there again. If someone go as far as applied a machete on u infliction serious injury , u are within the ambit of the law to use equal force to defend urself. If he dies in the process u can plead self defence and it will work out fine . But and someone engaging in a fist fight and u break his head with plank or stabbed him to death ? U will go to jail( No way out ). The notion that u can use any means to defend urself without limits is wrong . Anybody that has that mindset will regret finding out the hard way when matter sup later . |
larride:Whatever the form of fight u have that leads to the death of the other party , before ur plea of self defence can be admissible they will measure the proportion of the retaliation to the initial attack on u by the deceased . If u are not a law enforcement that is actually empowered by the law to apply force when a suspect is resisting arrest ; it will be a Herculean task for u to successfully prove ur use of superior force on the deceased is justified . That line of reasoning of “using any means to defend urself in a fight “ has sent a lot of people to jail. A lot of people are in jail because they planked or knifed an assailant that exchanged blows with them . This is not an academic exercise , it is the reality in naija o |
iamoyindamola:I hear u. U people are making these arguments against pronouncement of the highest court of the land ![]() Issokay o |
larride:There’s nothing for the lawyer to argue . How will the lawyer justify slap is proportionate to a bullet to the head ? |
izzou:Raumdeuter lives in the US , their laws obviously differed from ours . Na why people wey Dey live for naija no supposed follow his school of thought otherwise, ewon na prison ![]() |
iamoyindamola:Don't thank him o. According to judicial precedent, if u follow his advice na Sanko straight o ![]() |
larride:Read the below carefully and focus on the bold. In the case of MOHAMMED V. STATE (2020) LPELR-50919(CA), the Court of Appeal stated as follows: In the case of GEORGE v. STATE(1993) LPELR-1320(SC), the Supreme Court held that:Before u can successfully plead self defence in a manslaughter case in Nigeria, this 3 elements must be satisfied: 1. There must be reasonable apprehension of death or grievous harm; 2. It was necessary to use force at that time; 3. The force used by Defendant must be proportionate to the force used or imminently threatened against him and reasonable in the circumstance. No go shoot person wey wan slap u or wey slap u o. |
iamoyindamola:The law is fair. The law expects u to retaliate with a force that is proportionate to the force that was used to attack u. U can't use whatever u see to defend urself. What is not fair is u shooting a man who slapped u. The law is a reflection of the Yoruba saying " Kilagbe, Kileju" ![]() |
iamoyindamola:Lolz. ![]() See u see prison. Somebody slapped u then u shot him with a gun because u believe his slap could've led to loss of ur hearing/landed u in a coma. But did u lose ur hearing or enter coma? No, because if u did u won't have shot him in retaliation. ![]() This ur disagreement is the reason why prisons are full because people dey assume wetin no dey inside law. |
raumdeuter:Even if u own gun as a private citizen, u will still need to prove u shot on self defence basis. And to prove u shot for self defense, u will need to prove the other party was capable of harming u and even about to harm u before u shot. If ur fellow man punch u and out of anger u shot him back na jail straight. The law will not permit u to be shooting everybody that throws a blow at u. |
GloriousGbola:Maybe na population control dem dey use the gun do sha |
afrodoc2:I honestly do not have knowledge of the US legal system, my response to him was from the Nigerian legal system point of view. Omo that their US na another continent on its own sha ![]() |
raumdeuter:Area boys are criminals ; but then again how did u come about a gun as a private citizen ?. Unlawful possession of fire arm is still a crime in naija . U Dey use crime fight crime ? 😂 |
raumdeuter:Mike Tyson punching u is different na. Mike Tyson is a trained boxer whose blow is actually capable of sending u to hospital bed. What I’m telling u is; the law will require u to prove that ur life was in serious danger before u resorted to using maximum force to defend urself . A man of almost same size as u cannot slap u only for u to shoot him in response . U will be jailed . Even normal assault and battery sef , when u are using self defence as reason for assaulting another person u must make sure the forces applied is proportionate to what the other person was capable of doing to u. |
raumdeuter:If the guy with the gun is a security agent empowered by the law of the land to effect an arrest while the other guy on boxers shorts is a criminal; he can claim he was trying to arrest a criminal who resisted arrest and he had no choice but to apply maximum force. However, if they were both civilians then the guy with the gun has just committed manslaughter irrespective of the fact that the guy on boxers attacked him first. U can't use self defense as an excuse if the proportion of defence is not commensurate with the proportion of the attack launched on u by the other party. For example, if I slap/punch u and u decided to shoot me because u have a gun in ur possession, the law will not accept ur defence that all u did was self defense. In the face of the law ur act will be deemed as manslaughter. U can't use gun to fight me wey punch u na |
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izzou:Imported food items like broccoli, apple, pear , etc. are actually smuggled in through land boarders like Seme, Badagry.U know clearing goods in Cotonou port is cheaper. Abokis buy from those who bring them into naija and they are cheaper than the one shoprite imports from South Africa which they pay standard import duty on. As for stationeries, most of those publishers of books and those distributing stationeries have direct access to those sellers around CMS side. I honestly don't know why shoprite stationeries are more expnsive sha . |
iamoyindamola:No I don't. I abandoned the original power series and promised myself not to watch any of its spin offs. |
chidekings:You are conflating two different issues na. We are talking of food items, provisions, toiletries, electronics, groceries and other household items sold in malls like Shoprite, Spar , etc. Vs what is being sold in the market by retailers. If it was about phones in shops in computer viallage vs Phone in stores like Slot, microstation, etc; of course that's a totally different argument all together |
GloriousGbola:The bold is the koko. I detest the fact that market men and women will just size you up and start giving outrageous price. Sometimes u will be too angry in ur spirit to even know where to start haggling the price. Unlike malls who already determined the cost price, added their profit margin and fix a selling price which u can either buy or refuse to buy after comparing the price with price elsewhere |
chidekings:Which other stuff is their profit margin outrageous? Mention those items. I bought a TV, a microwave, and a home theatre system in the electronic section of these malls sometimes in the past and at each point in time the prices I got were better than what Emeka, Chimaobi, Okwy God and sons sold in their big electronic stores. And the chances of buying a fake appliance is even reduced when u buy from these malls cos they buy directly from the major distributors in naija. |
chidekings:Just dey play ![]() Maybe it is the fake one u will buy cheaper in the market. Do u even know how those malls make their money ? They buy in bulk at cheaper prices from either the producer(If the producer is Naija based) or major distributor( If the goods is produced abroad but distributed by a naija distributor). They are able to sell at either the normal retail price or even slightly lesser than the retail price on the street. Booku for example, most people who sell noodles in shops now go to Booku to buy and resell in their provision shops beside the house cos it is way cheaper there. How much Rexona does the shop beside ur house sell in a month that will afford him the luxury of selling original rexona at a price lesser than Shoprite that buys directly from source in large quantity? See this ur sentiment is just fallacy and nothing more. Some of us have over time discovered it is cheaper buying from malls than normal retail markets. The only items that are relatively cheaper in retail markets are perishable items like pepper, tomatoes, maybe meat and fish. |
chidekings:lolz. This comment is neither here nor there. Mention items u buy in shopping malls that are more expensive in malls than "markets". Is it beverages, toiletries, provisions , etc? |
Ibime:Reno will say all sort of nonsense in this his sycophancy mode sha. He said they've been cutting yam to sell before he was born but he obviously can't show evidence that Yam cutting has been happening in Nigeria before Tinubu's regime. smh I pity those that take him serious sha |
izzou:Exactly ! It will even be foolishness on a businessman’s part to hike the price of his product when he has so many competitors springing up everyday . For example within 15-20 minutes drive from me I could access 2 booku mart, 2 justrite, 2 Jendol, 1 Reno store , 1 Belenco and a few handful of not so popular stores/marts that sell almost the same products . If one mart decides to price themselves out of the market , I will move to the others with more competitive pricing . |
izzou:What u described here is totally different from what he claimed in his post. He claimed mega marts buy items and add 80% profit margins on it thereby making the product expensive unnecessarily to the final consumer . Now what u explained up there is mega marts leveraging on economies of scale. They negotiate with producers to sell to them at a cheaper price because they are buying in large quantities so they can sell at almost same price with other wholesalers/retailers . The mart has not done any wrong doing this . In fact it is a commensalism relationship between the producer and the mart . Neither is the final consumer suffering by paying a higher price . He alluded that mega marts deliberately hike prices and I’m asking him to show such instances and maybe mention such products he thinks they do that on |
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