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Theflint1:
I mean Indians have entire storey buildings dedicated to committing cyber crimes, I don't think I've seen anything near that scale anywhere around Nigeria.

liveLongNprospa:
Do you commit more crimes than Chinese citizens?
If you don't recognise the reason for the disrespect has nothing to do with your "crimes" and more to do with the lack of foreign policy and also our poverty as a nation then I have nothing to say my guy.

There are countries whose citizens commit more and they don't have to deal with the disrespect. Nor be by advice. Let Nigeria be valuable and all these "we have loud citizens, we are cultists etc" won't matter one bit.

I think we need to stop this idea of looking for countries that have nationals committing more crime than Nigeria . Crime is not something we should be using for dick-measuring contest Haba!

For example now both of u mentioned China and India respectively. Indians and Chinese can who are nuclear powers have enough Steeze to make countries overlook the crime of their nationals abroad .

My question is what does Nigeria contribute among the comity of nations that will make them afford us such privilege ? Our skin color is against us, our continent is against us , our relevance in the League of Nations is against us; should we also be against ourselves by not telling ourselves the truth ?

liveLongNprospa:
Who came up with products for our markets?
Kellogs themselves or tolaram.
Nigerians were able to afford kellogs in 2015 when the acquisition was stated to take place.
So I see no reason for this "catering to the Nigerian market" as if prior to that we had a weak purchasing power. It was done for expansion and that expansion led to the death of kellogs products as its quality dipped over time.

Baba u are going off tangent .

If u want to buy imported Kelloggs product today , u can buy it in Nigeria. U will see it at high end supermarkets in highbrow areas of Lagos and Abuja .

The Nigerian Kellogg’s is available same as the international one .

It’s just the same way u can buy imported indomie noodles and also buy the one made by Tolaram for Nigerian market .

So once again, what’s ur point ?

Ahh hope Tinubu is okay after that fall😳 pic.twitter.com/W1D20t0COK

— MBAH (@Mbahdeyforyou) June 12, 2024

So Tinubu fell this morning or is this a doctored video ?

DeadPresidents:
In Berlin last week, German authorities caught a syndicate running fake marriages for residency permits. The kingpins? I’m not allowed to say what race, what people…..it’s the Nigerians.

Another time in Hamburg, they caught two Nigerians with performing benefits fraud. They were listed as unemployed in Germany collecting monthly unemployment benefits meanwhile they were actually in Naija working for Shell (Omo see cash out )

Our people don’t deserve benefit of the doubt. Na why when dey treat me with scrutiny at airports, e dey pain but I understand.

Always remember, "Pesin wey mad man don bite before go take off when him see mechanic"

Can u imagine ?

Even people wey manage to escape naija enter Canada get decent job, some of them still do picker for Yahoo boys running apartment scam ( I heard of this recently )

Sometimes it’s not even about greed , we just feel we can outsmart any system which is actually a false feeling.

Theflint1:
I doubt that's the case...the taste of Hollandia has changed, that one I can confirm 100% and I've bought from Shoprite even and it's not like the taste from before.

Well, this is news to me.
We had a group discussion last year and it was there even myself found out Chi has been bought over by Coca Cola. We all agreed on how the product remained same even after change of ownership.

Theflint1:
Social media handlers for most of these government agencies are more often than not over zealous, unprofessional and lacking in the basic etiquette of their roles. They handler for that page could have simply advised we maintain good behavior and obey the rules of host countries instead of going about listing crimes...that bit just made the message crass.

I think we owe ourselves the truth on these matters. As recent as last week people were still caught with drugs trying to smuggle enroute Saudi for Hajj.

Just this last week a video of some girls trafficked to Ghana for prostitution circulated all over the internet . The world is not blind to these things .

We should tell our own people the honest truth in our own space so they don’t go out there and spoil show for me an u.

I agree with u that some of the official twitter handlers sometimes may be quite unprofessional in the way they communicate their messages tho

Theflint1:
Which one tastes the same? Hollandia for sure has a different taste, as with the other ones I mentioned. Their Chivita 100% no sugar has maintained taste, so maybe that's the one you based your assessment on, but these other ones I mentioned have changed taste.

I hope u know there are counterfeits of some of these products out there ?

liveLongNprospa:
But I gave you an example.
If you give me an example of tolaram making a purchase and the product quality has stayed the same then I'll be abit more confident.

Your Tolaram example was off point.

Kelloggs was a foreign manufacturer of cereals that never had presence in Nigeria until they had a joint venture with Tolaram to produce Kellogg’s products for West African market.

Do u know what the bolded means ? It means they specifically came up with products for our market. It’s not like they bought an already established Kellogg’s producing business , then stepped down the quality of the products like u are making it seem.

That’s why ur Kellogg’s example holds no water in this case.

Theflint1:
You ain't been paying attention my man. You telling me Hollandia tastes same way it used to taste? Abi na the taste of their pineapple and coconut nectar? In fact this month, my wife has been complaining bitterly about the taste change in taste of Hollandia evap...I checked to confirm, it was horrible...I want to believe it was just a bad batch or they meant it and would give themselves brain once people stop buying the Hollandia evap.

Just know that with this acquisition, all bets are off, it may change or not, or may change sometime in the next couple years when renewed hope reaches its peak.

It actually tastes the same . At least I confirmed from people who take it regularly .( And this was at a group discussion )

Amigoss:
I just went through UK visa and immigration page on Twitter,nothing of such rubbish like Nigeria immigration posted,we all know English football fans are not the best of travellers,they always make trouble everywhere they go but their immigration are not throwing them under the bus...

That rubbish from our immigration is the reason embassies will keep treating us anyhow and we will continually be asked to step aside from other travellers,grilled at every airport with nigerian passport...

U are missing the point. The UK passport is one the most sought after in the world. They don’t have any battered image they need to redeem so what’s the point of advising their citizens over such petty misdemeanors like hooliganism which the host country can always arrest them for and slam them for ?

Nigeria passport has been battered by drug trafficking issues , child and women trafficking and other major crimes like cultism.

Nigeria immigration advising its citizens to not further deny the already battered image of the country is definitely not out of place . If we refuse to tell ourselves the truth , then who will ?

liveLongNprospa:
Tolaram will decide how they want to make Guinness going forward.
But the kellogs example is there for you because prior to when tolaram took over, there wasn't a difference in quality and now there is a difference in quality.
I'm sure they had access to the same ingredients before and immediately after acquisition.

But make we dey watch😁

Who tell u this one ? 😂

For example do u know that Coca Cola bought Chi Limited ( makers of Chivita )sometimes around 2019 or so? Did u notice any change in Chivita drinks since that time till now ?

These things don’t work the way u are assuming jare

liveLongNprospa:
Back to yesterday and what I said about quality dipping.
BlueRayDick and izzou the difference between international kellogs and kellogs Nigeria is because of this tolaram group.
That's my fear.

I hope you know Nigerian Fanta and the Fanta in the US market are not the same ?

When products are made under franchise , they don’t necessarily have the same taste/flavour with the same product in other countries in the international market .

The crux of the matter yesterday was that the Guinness being produced in Nigeria as at today will definitely not change taste/quality because nothing has changed except for the ownership of the shareholdings in the company.

It’s not like Tolaram will come up with their own Guinness formula going forward . They will still be using every ingredients being used by Guinness Nigeria in the right quantity so far they will still be producing under the Guinness franchise name.

liveLongNprospa:
The rest of the world will talk about our crime.
Let them.
You are a government agency. Your msg is not to hint at your citizens commiting crimes outside of Nigeria.
LEAVE that for unofficial people like APC minions to do.

Your msg is to ensure your citizens appear to be the best thing after heaven whenever you want to drop any information relating to such a topic.
It has to be very very deliberate.

You are literally saying u don’t want a government agency to do the job it was established to do.

Maybe they should just scrap the immigration service then .

liveLongNprospa:
The immigration service is not meant to advice us. Your job is not to be a parent.
Your job is to be consistently bias in the eyes of the world all the time.
If some citizens are doing anything illegal, you don't highlight it even in form of an advice or suggestion.
It's like a basic part of the job.

We are not remotely the worst in crime in these places, wetin dey do us na just lack of purchasing power and our dead foreign policy.
As I speak to you, I know we don't have ambassadors to G7 countries because we can't afford it according to the minister.
Those are the things that are making us get the disrespect. Not the small number of Nigerians that are doing crime and are loud.

So I don't expect that such a government body will even add such words to its msg. It's not us vs them.

Who tell u this one ?

The Nigeria immigration service is not a government agency established to launder the image of the country . It is a government agency established to oversee and country entry into and exit from the country ( for both Nigerians and foreign Nationals ). It is a body responsible for controlling drug trafficking into and from the country . It is an agency responsible for control of human trafficking out of the control.

The agency is simply doing its job by advising criminals who engage in such vices to desist so they won’t claim ignorance when they are nabbed at entry or exit point. How is that a bad thing ?

When u say they are not meant to advise us;are u saying they are to allow us do the crime and then allow us do the time ? If yes, I hope u know those stats get recorded against our country in the long run? 🤷‍♂️

GloriousGbola:
Forget all the promises of ministers, Nigeria may be banned from Dubai indefinitely

Dubai is a tourist destination. They rely on a particular image. What they want is money spending tourists, not large numbers of cultists, armed robbers and prostitutes.

Most of these nations keep records and follow statistics and based on this alone can tell you which countries come with trouble makers.

We have discussed it extensively on this thread, profiling is a real thing. Just as police here profile young men as yahoo, multiple authorities in the abroad have profiled Nigerian travellers as drug Mules and have acted accordingly

Apparently because of our behaviour in dubai most young Nigerian women are automatically profiled as prostitutes and treated accordingly.

Profiling is based on both prejudice and historical data.

The crazy thing is some of these vices are also perpetuated by other nationals , but Nigerians are always too loud for their own good and as such, we always catch the attention of the authorities .

liveLongNprospa:
They are a government agency.
Your job is to ensure in the eyes of the world, Nigerians are the best.
The statement that we behave like that when we travel out is stupid my guy.

Nigeria Immigration service is under the ministry of interior . Their job is to ensure u leave Nigeria without the intention of going to dent our image abroad and also to ensure people coming into Nigeria are not coming here to cause trouble .

That screenshot u posted actually showed them doing their job. They are advising Nigerians who intend going abroad to not go with the intention of peddling drugs, trafficking women and children , exporting cultism and other vices. They are giving that advice to protect the image of the passport they are in charge of issuing .

I don’t see anything wrong in that. That’s an advise to Nigerians na .

You are making it seem as if a foreign envoy calls Nigerians criminals and the immigration service is giving affirmation to such statements.

Segedinho:
This look advanced ..

Maybe it isn't really available in this region

Yeah, maybe they don’t sell it to that side

liveLongNprospa:
When I say this current government and APC in general are stupid people.

It's not even an insult.
It's just fact.

Because tell me why as an immigration page that is suppose to ensure your country image is propped up at all times will subtly refer to your citizens as " To this end, we strongly advise Nigerians to avoid irregular migration, trafficking of persons, cultism, drug peddling and other forms of vices that dent the image of the country."

There’s nothing wrong with the statement if u ask me. The immigration service job is not to prop up the image of the country; rather it is to control entry into and departure from the country.

Their job among others is to prevent child and drug trafficking and that’s why they mentioned it in their post .

You are probably confusing Nigeria Immigration Service for some other govt agencies

Segedinho:
Can't remember d last time I saw it.....

This is a Limca PET bottle . It is very much available in the normal market and supermarkets

Segedinho:
Lols...u use 35 drink beer

U na rock of ages o.....confirm one...


But I no sure say harp still dey available 4 Naija..I blv say he follow dem limca enter exile...

Limca still Dey na.

What happened was that Coca Cola bought Limca and they’ve been the one producing Limca worldwide . It’s more like they saw the product as a competitor , they bought it over and stepped down its marketing/branding to keep the popularity of Coca Cola up. Those are the kind of strategies Coca Cola has used to stay relevant in the market .

If u go to stores u will see PET bottle of Limca . U just don’t see advert of Limca on TV like it used to be in the late 90’s/early 2000’s when they used to sponsor Sunday Rendezvous on NTA

GloriousGbola:
indomie are the highest quality noodles sold in the country. and the company has stiff competition from numerous other FCMG. also guiness as a company are unlikely to allow their brand to be messed with.

this is what i expect [not immediate]
weakening of union
possible exiting of older staff [high earners]
tightening of controls - no more awoof overtime, no more stealing of diesel, etc
downgrading of assets - toyota to kia

You know the drill. The old staffers will be reeling out stories of the good old times to the new recently employed . They will be regaling stories of how u get sent on training to Dublin Ireland for 6 months while u get paid allowances in hard currency …. etc

GloriousGbola:
that is where you are wrong.

prepaid meters are for DOMESTIC customers
domestic customers are only one segment of energy users

you have customers on transformers 11kv who use MD meters
customers on 33kv transformers who use skipper panels

most of the delinquent customers are industrial level customers
you can choose not to sympathize with the discos, but that does not address the fundamental problem - the power industry is capital intensive and requires significant funds

most transformers are over loaded. most distribution panels are old.

and legacy NEPA staff are also a big part of the problem. apparently the meter in my house was actually intended for the marina area. so when i was paying bills online, the funds were going to marina sales area, rather than festac. an old friend who provided consulting services fr the discos went on an investigation and found intricate and bizarre meter by pass methodologies. meter bypassing not within the house, but in the wiring from the feeder pillars

i have said it repeatedly, estimated billing is simply a crude form of theft recovery. every transformer has a meter. what the discos do is they take the meter readings in an area, take the transformer readings and pass the loss to un metered customers via crazy bills.

funnily enough my friend told me that if you have agidi and drg with them to NERC, NERC will usually rule in your favor

So are u saying the Discos don’t have any way of stopping industrial consumers from getting power when they have not paid for power ?

liveLongNprospa:
Lmao.. My brother.
Those things will dip very very well.
They need to make profits and to do that j this current economy, something has to give well.

It's obvious Guinness has signed out from the Nigerian market. Not caring that the Nigerian people might be disappointed with what new Guinness drinks will taste like shows how insignificant our purchasing power is😥

To make profit , they only need to tighten the noose on some cost center within the organization.

They will cut down on CSR , u probably won’t see Guinness sponsoring some programs like they used to do in the past, they won’t pay new staff as competitive as they ought to, they may cancel provisions for gratuity for new staff , they may review the level of staff who get official vehicles going forward , etc.

Most of the things they will do will affect the internal stakeholders and not the product itself .

U know Guinness produces orijin bitters, for example they may come up with more spin off spirit drinks like orijin sef

liveLongNprospa:
The quality of those drinks about to dippppppp😁

I don’t think the quality of the product will dip. I believe the fact that they will still be manufacturing Guinness stout and other associated products under the Guinness brand name/license the quality will still be same.

But be rest assured they will compromise on other things that relates to staff welfare , maybe regulatory issues , unionism ,gratuity etc. which Diageo will no longer have control over . Only insider stakeholders will really feel such changes .

GloriousGbola:
https://www.nairaland.com/8121743/enugu-state-government-seals-eddc

I spoke earlier about Nigeria transitioning from a socialist economy to a capitalist economy.

This is one of the worst legacies of military rule. The delusion that being some sort of govt parastatal or govt affiliated agency entitles you to free electricity.

Different agencies and bodies are bullying discos and refusing to pay their energy bills.


It is bad enough that most discos are running on broken subsidues. But then you have to add the burden of aggressive delinquent customers.

The problem of power in Nigeria is not an engineering problem. It is a finance problem. You want to spend billions replacing old and decrepit infrastructure - that's fine. But how do you recoup your investment when you have customers who have been weaned on the delusion of cheap electricity?

All this long talk can be sorted out if the Discos provide prepaid meter for their customers . Let the disco migrate the government agencies to prepaid meter and let’s see if they won’t find ways to recharge their meter to have light on.

Myself for example when I used to get crazy bills which I pay as much as I can and leave the rest . When they migrated me to prepaid meter , I cleared the balance on the crazy bill and I ended up not consuming up to 1/5 of the estimated billing even on heavy usage atimes.

Let the discos stop the nonsense of estimated billing , let the people pay for what they use via prepaid meter recharge and let’s see if the Discos can actually make profit.

I have zero pity for discos . I see them as Shylock business people who didn’t buy the discos because there was prospect of clean profit , but wanted to build on the old NEPA format of using estimated billing to inflate customers’ bills

iamoyindamola:
I saw what you did there😂😂😂

My hand is white as snow o

izzou:
[color=royalblue]Guiness Stout go soon dey in satchets now.

I trust those Asians to do anything and everything to stay in business[/color]

It’s not just that sef.

For the staff, Some of the perks that comes with working with multinational like Diageo will disappear with this change of ownership .

Na the staff go really feel am pass . Tolaram like typical Asian owned businesses will do everything to stay in business like u rightly posited .

raumdeuter:
Those banks have individuals that have deposits and will panic when they cannot withdraw because of the issue

Microsoft has assured the stakeholders which include staff, customers and govt that they are not closing down

But time will tell. It's not far, the tweet said this month end. Na just 19 days remain we will know of the person who tweeted is right

Unfortunately nothing happens to people for posting fake news

That’s the sad reality Egbon. 😢

Bayo Onanuga’s fake news dey even get documents attached . He posted process of applying for UAE visa wey dem never lift the ban .

raumdeuter:
Microsoft is not govt so why do they need to explain to public? Is it every silly rumor that private organization reply to

The minister asked them and they responded

Shebi dem say today na the end. By next week we can check their office at VI civic center and see if they are open

The problem is the guy who tweeted to farm engagement will not post a rejoinder but will just move on like nothing happened and post another fake news next week to hustle Elons giveaway

No be fight na. Which one be silly rumor again?

Private organizations from time to time usually address rumors that seem to portray them being financially challenged, shutting down or having regulatory issues. Just last week banks like Union Bank, Polaris , etc. were addressing rumors that suggested their licenses were about to be revoked like Heritage bank's. They didn't have to call it silly rumors before addressing it.

The same Microsoft can issue a statement tomorrow or in the coming days addressing the rumor.

I made a point that no be today Nigerian politicians and their appointees have been wrongly reporting outcomes of such meetings. It still happened recently. Ajuri and Onanuga dey post fake news steady sha.

raumdeuter:
I thought the Olaoluwa Tomiwa is Microsoft country manager speaking here

Olatomiwa Williams, Microsoft’s country manager for Nigeria, addressed these rumors in a meeting with the Nigerian minister of finance and coordinating minister of the economy in Abuja. Mohammed Manga, the ministry’s director of information and public relations, briefed the press on the discussions between the minister and Microsoft representatives

Mohammed Manga who is the ministry of Finance's public relations director briefed the press about what was agreed with Olaoluwa Tomiwa(Microsoft country Manager) at the meeting.

Olaoluwa didn't speak to the press, Mohammed did. It was obviously a closed door meeting from the excerpt u posted.

Read it again

raumdeuter:
To copy the text

Microsoft has refuted rumors that it plans to shut down its Nigerian operations, following last month’s speculations that the tech giant was contemplating closing its Lagos innovation center due to concerns over the country’s business climate. The rumored shutdown was believed to potentially impact around 200 employees.

Olatomiwa Williams, Microsoft’s country manager for Nigeria, addressed these rumors in a meeting with the Nigerian minister of finance and coordinating minister of the economy in Abuja. Mohammed Manga, the ministry’s director of information and public relations, briefed the press on the discussions between the minister and Microsoft representatives.

Manga conveyed that the managing director assured the minister of Microsoft’s dedication to its Nigerian operations, dispelling the recent speculations. Williams highlighted Microsoft’s eagerness to collaborate with the Nigerian government on shared interests such as cybersecurity and youth skills development.

But why can't Microsoft just issue a statement/press release to address the issue? This one that it is our minister's spokesperson that is reporting what was discussed at the meeting.

Our politicians and their appointees don't inspire confidence when they report outcomes of such closed door meetings, that was how Ajuri wrongly announced in September that it was agreed in the meeting between Tinubu and the UAE leader that Visa Ban has been lifted.

raumdeuter:
A statement I was typing in a rush

Microsoft Nigeria is not closed, they closed some teams in Lagos not all, not even the major teams that have always been there

Microsoft ADC Africa Development Center based in Nigeria is closed

So only a particular arm of the company is closed right ?