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They will continue to appeal the judgement up till supreme court,, and even at that, they won't still pay.

Breaking:
INEC has pulled down the “BVAS Accreditation Numbers” for the Kogi, Imo and Bayelsa Elections from the IREV-Portal..

(But We Still Have The Numbers In Our Database.)

For whatever reasons, the INEC had switched off the vital data of the “BVAS Accreditation” Numbers from public view, which it had earlier published on its IREV-Portal.!!


I really don't know why the INEC is badly tampering with the IREV-Portal.

The Electoral-Act amendment should make it compulsory for the INEC Not to tamper with any material or websites which were used for the purposes of Election.

These Post-Election tampering is becoming too much.

See The link to the INEC’s IREV-Portal Below
https://inecelectionresults.ng



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I still strongly maintain that the Nigerian Constitution And All the other Nigerian Laws, (Including The Electoral-Act-2022) are All filled with WEAK Non-Enforceable and Unenforceable Laws..
And that is the major reason why the Nigerian Institutions which are supposed to be governed by these laws (and also including the Nigerian Judges too) are all finding it very easy to throw these weak LAWS into the Dustbin” 🗑️ 🗑️


If you like, you can come and be telling me that “The Nigerian Laws are not weak, that there is Nothing wrong with the Nigerian Laws”....
That one is your business.

CoronaVirusPro:
I meant a universal basic wage that cuts across the public and private sector.

Ok.

So,, if you are to suggest..
Would you want a UNIVERSAL MINIMUM MONTHLY WAGE?

Or a UNIVERSAL MINIMUM HOURLY WAGE.??


For the one you chose,, how much are you suggesting to be the minimum?

Employers cannot do worse than what's been done already. Its a slave market presently.

Do you have any suggestions in mind to change the current slave-market scenario??

CoronaVirusPro:
In the last 10 years, have employers of labour been strangulating or improving workers welfare? Your answer will help you forecast whats yet to come. They all after profit and reaping employees off. Do you know the amount of company`s that have converted full time workers to contractors , all in the name of shying away from benefits and same time reducing their pay?

I know that system too well and know cards they will play. From banking, telecoms, to oil and gas, they are all strangulating workers, cos they know they are going nowhere.

Nigerian employers are fully aware that, if they throw the crumbs out, more than they need will jump at it. So don't expect any balance.

If I were to propose, I will rather canvass for a universal minimum wage. Then you will witness their wrath.

And for such companies, their net productivity are sounds like what?

The thing is,, cutting costs of the manpower in order to make profits, yet at the expense of the overall increased productivity of the company, doesn't sound good.


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Meanwhile..
The emboldened part of your comment,, do you mean A WORLD-WIDE MINIMUM WAGE??

The word “UNIVERSAL” as used by you in that comment,, does it mean “world-wide”??


So, if there is a “universal minimum wage”, the employers would unleash maximum torture on the employees??

(I’m just trying to understand the last part of your comment.. Please rephrase it abbegg,, let me understand it better)

Men Love.
Women Respect.
(That's why women think that love is a scam because they really don't believe in it, they believe that for there to be any affection and care, something must go for it in return; yet they truly enjoy it very much whenever men love them for no reason at all)


Men Bring.
Women put together.
(women naturally want to make things grow. Even when they happen to be the bringers, they don't just drop and spend. They put things together and nurture into increase)


Mean lead while going in front.
Women organize while staying at the back.
(Women like seeing things well before entering. That's why women don't like to stay in front at uncertain situations, so as to know when to stop further people from advancing)

This is actually a symbiotic something.
Only one gender cannot function alone.
The both traits are needed in every situation..
Even in relationships and family settings.
Offices, and political settings too.




Men understand that women are still needed in the whole equation, no matter what.
Women think that men are being too bossy with the whole “leading” thing.

Rizzputin:
Recently I stumbled on a nairalander's unfortunate post. It's similar to most stories you read on social media these days

According to him, he met a girl and fell in love with her. She was the typical gf material…The best part? She was a virgin. What more could he ask for

To top it off, she promised him her virginity. Possibly, when she's ready or better when they're married

Until 2 weeks later she got fùcked by a guy she had barely known for 2 weeks. Of course, he went on an emotional rant of how wicked women are. And how insensitive she was.

Can you guess her reason for giving another guy her "precious" virginity? "It just happened!"

Everybody and his mother has heard this phrase from women when they talk about some crazy sex she engaged in recently.

That trip to her bestie's house where she got pounded? She didn't plan to, you see.

She wasn't meaning for it to happen. Had she known, she wouldn't have gone there or allowed it… but it just happened!

Or how about when she went to deliver her wedding iv card to her ex only to fùck him? Well, that just happened too

Things "just happening" are a common occurrence for most women. Most women seem to be just floating along on the currents of life, when somehow they bump into a man and his long John Thomas falls inside her. Totally by mistake.

Except is it really a mistake?

Every experienced seducer knows the answer to that. It's not. To the naive man, he'll probably brush it off as an honest mistake

You see, women make things happen or put themselves in a position where things are most likely "just to happen."

That's why I advocate you become a hookup material. When you act that way you are more likely to "make it happen", fùck her and avoid being played.

---Why do things seem to "just happen" with women?

It's simple. She says that so she can shift the blame.

Or better still, find a way to justify her actions. Much better to say "it just happened: than to admit she willingly went to fùck someone.

That's why a big part of being a hook up material is being smooth, subtle… and inspiring her to lust after you.

Because when she lusts after you, she'll be an active participant in the seduction. She'll create opportunities and follow you to places where things can most likely "just happen"


---How to "make things happen" as a man

A smooth, sweet seduction is subtle. It leads a girl through some steps right into your arms.

And it's done in such a way she feels allowed to.

Becoming a hook up material is at the core of seduction. You use Lust Oriented Topics to gently nudge her into situations that things might just happen.

Of course, she can't help it because of how aroused she is. You don't want her to see you as bf or husband material because the pressure to be perfect is on her.

Rather you want to act like a hook up material. Make the right moves. Invite her to the right places and stimulate the necessary emotions in her.

Another benefit of being a hook up material that makes things happen is that she sees you as a guy that just gets it.

It's like you're part of the secret society of womanese. So she's less likely to play those games with you


---What should you do when "things keep happening" with your girlfriend


This applies to guys that are dating or have intentions to. If that's you, pay close attention.

Let's say your girl keeps giving out her number to guys. Or going to clubs with her female friends. Or wearing very skimpy clothes.

And when you ask why, she tells you it's just happened. Cuz she didn't plan for it.

How would you handle it?

Here's a tip:


● Call her out on the bs in a calm way. Show her how her actions make room for these things to happen.

Because believe it or not, she knows what she's doing. When you do this, it makes it even more obvious to her conscious mind the role she plays and the fact that you don't like it

So whenever such a situation presents itself, she'll either make a conscious decision to act funny or not.

And if she continues, you know what to do.

So the long and short of this whole thing is:
“BREAK UP WITH HER”.!!

Name them and shame the demons 👿 😈

Stop hiding them.
Buhari hid them.

Now you guys are hiding them too.

jimmyvic:
Ontop this renewed shege banza wey we dey see so??

See eeehnn..

Since some people voted him, and bragged that he would steal the manifestos of the other candidates and implement them,, then he better steal this idea too.

CoronaVirusPro:
Now you talking!


Did you consider all you listed before you made the assertion that it will favour employees?

Nigeria! Its a market of reap off!

The hourly-pay system will definitely favour the employees too..
It might not favour them more than the employers,, it will definitely be better than the monthly-pay system; because it will bring in the realization of self-awareness and self-worth in the workers.

And it will even favour the Country Nigeria more, because that will definitely trigger the compulsory enactment of strong labour laws which would guide as well as protect both the employers and the employees from the excesses of the both of them.

CoronaVirusPro:
Seems you are not a Nigerian cos its glaring you are not familiar with the Nigerian labour market.

An average Nigerian company is ready to multiple task with one resource, and still want the opportunity to shortchange and dispose him off at will without repercussions.

Why do you feel all of them love contract staffing? Have you ever thought about why they do? Now you want them to go on hourly wage where the jobs are scarce? You are only encouraging them. I do not think they will oppose it, rather, they will want to get the best minimum rate they will be comfortable with.

Hourly wage is "use and dispose" Even in advanced countries, people prefer the monthly wage to hourly wage. Have you ever the sentence, "No work next week" or "Tomorrow is half day"

There are many sides to a coin.


There are reasons countries who do Hourly-pay have labour laws..

Now, which law is the labour law in Nigeria?
What exactly are the so-called trade unions doing in Nigeria?

Are the Nigerian Workers truly ready to wake up??
Even with the way the contract staff are being treated, or with the way which the sole-proprietor companies are treating their staff,, and there are no stringent laws that guide both the employers and the employees, then these employees are at the mercies of whatever nonsense that had been thrown at them.

countryman13:
No! Whichever book, moderation is the ultimate!

I know why I asked.

Readers of Quran usually read it verbatim.
They don't do moderation.

CoronaVirusPro:
Hourly wage is a cost saving initiative for employers.

Hourly wage is also an avenue to employ many people.

So, let the Employers push for it, and save costs..
But let them employ more persons and pay them exactly what their times are worth..

If the unemployment rate in Nigeria was minimal, one could be talking about people picking up second jobs, but where is the job.

Many people in Nigeria are employed into jobs they are not fitted for.
Do you also call that employment?

If “Maximizing Productivity” is the driving factor in the Nigerian employments, and not just “Maximizing Profits”, there won't be reason a company would be employing lowly-paid staff who are not fit for what they were employed for, and they do their works on their jobs in a very passive manner as time continues to pass, just for them to earn a wage.

Maximizing Profit would make an employer to hire people whom he would pay less, so that these people would do some minimum acceptable works for him.

Maximizing Productivity would make an employer to hire the best hands, make them comfortable in their places of work, and require their maximum inputs in the work.


Striking a good balance between these two extremes while considering all other external factors is what makes a good employer.

philiancoop:
What is inflation and how does it come?

Inflation is the rate of increase in prices of things (or increase in the cost of living at a place) over a given period of time.

Even though the increased jobs or increased wages (which invariably leads to the increase in demand) is a part of what causes inflation,, the main cause of inflation in developing countries (like Nigeria) is the shortage of supply of the goods and services which are to be purchased or to be paid for.

With more human capital productivity (driven by the hourly-rate pay method), and balanced with the increased agricultural production, there might not be food Inflation again (as wrongly predicted by some sectors -- if there are increased wages).

CoronaVirusPro:
That is still my point.

Can't you see majority of employers are into "Contract Staffing", and you proposing hourly wage to same people? Think about it....

Meanwhile...
The hourly-pay method would mean flexibility...

I guess you know that??

Flexibility on both the side of employers and employees..

The day-to-day conditions of work would be discussed very well in details..
And that is the only situation where the job-functions are well described even before the contract papers are signed.

Tonytonex:
That's the abnormal thing in this country. It's not supposed to be like that.
I Hope this can be implemented. And acted on.

With public awareness and strong stakeholders involvement, it can be achieved.

countryman13:
I don't think consumption of alcohol is bad but too much of it.

Are you quoting from the Quran?

Vnn2868:
Currently, Mason within my area charges 7k and above while labourers charges 5k and above.
Formal workers are underpaid in Nigeria.
1k to 1.5k hourly should be the benchmark for both local, State and federal workers.

Nice One..

CoronaVirusPro:
That is still my point.

Employers will have the flexibility to put people to work when they want. In times of less or no work, they will not be tied to any basic salary or whatsoever.

If you view it from the employees perspective, you will see it as a win, but if you also do same from the employers view, you will realize it's a win.

Can't you see majority of employers are into "Contract Staffing", and you proposing hourly wage to same people? Think about it....

In your emboldened statement, you just stated that the situation is a win-win situation.

That's nice..

The dynamisms and the re-adjustments between the employer and the employee would make for a perfect working environment.

That's A Perfect Win-Win Situation.

Cromagnon:
what is the productivity of the Nigerian worker.
Does it make sense to pay 10 yams per gour when he only produces 1 yam per hour?

You can't pay ppl what you lime
You pat them what they produce less profit

That's the main reason for the hourly pay.

It brings about productivity..

It's not much about how much first,, but the productivity..


When Peter-Obi was always hammering on productivity during his campaigns,, people misunderstood him and thought he meant “Locally Produced Goods For Export Purposes”, which happened to be a totally different economic problem he hoped to solve with massive agriculture..

As for the “Productivity”, it has to do with the human beings.. It has to do with the output of the people. And the proposal for the hourly pay can bring about such productivity in the people.

modernWays:
That is why we may continue to be poor in this part of the world. Nigerians are truly educated illiterates. This is the same approach being use by our half baked leader since after civil war in 1970.

We don't need any increment of wage or salary but strong economy that will translate to strong naira. Have you ever ask yourself why £10 is big enough for an hour wage in UK, but amount to nothing in Nigeria?


The #2000 per hour you advocate today will definitely become worthless within 6 months, so what is the point of increasing it in the first place.

Nigeria need to fix her power sector to witness a prosperous economy. If we can get 24 hour uninterrupted power supply, our problem is half solved.

Only power right??

Ok..
Tinubu will do that soon

Cromagnon:
11k($20,000 per year) per hour is almost minimum wage in abroad.(about ($30,000)
Wbat is your gdp per capita($2,500)
Whats theirs ($70,000)
Think before you talk

GDP is dependent on the productivity within the country.

It shows the economic activities of the people.

With better working conditions, and good pay for work done based on productivity,, the GDP (as well as the GDP per Capita) of Nigeria will improve on its own.

GDP cannot increase by pumping money into any sector.
It is mainly affected by policies that increase the economic activities of the people.

CoronaVirusPro:
That is my point. They will have the flexibility of rationing. For example, banks can use lesser staffs during off-peak hours, and double-up during peak hours. They will save more from a business perspective.

So far any adjustments made do not hamper on the over-all productivity of the company..
Then, it's fair enough..


There are two extremes here..


Either to employ as many good staff as possible, and keep them working all round the clock FOR MAXIMUM PRODUCTIVITY.. (He might even employ persons or systems or technologies whose work is to monitor the workings and input activities of the workers.)

Or, to employ as minimum persons as possible in order to conveniently pay them well according to the number hours which they put in the work, even when there is room for more productivity when more persons are employed.

Now, it is up to the employer to decide whether to use the same minimum number of workers who would be working all round the clock -- even when their time-dependent productivity is beginning to drop due to fatigue and tiredness. Or fir him to be rotating amongst many workers..

With this,, the better option would be to have many many workers in a firm who work on shifts..
And the employer can comfortably pay all of them according to the hours of work they put in.

The number of works an employee does is dependent on the availability of jobs out there, and then, the ability of the employee to really cope without being affected by the fatigue and tiredness suffered from the first place of work.


IN NIGERIA,, THIS IS HIGHLY OBTAINABLE..

CoronaVirusPro:
Employers will be rationing hours to cut cost. That is like a wide open avenue for them to cut cost since they wouldn't be mandated to guarantee 40 hours/week.

Couple with the unemployment rate in Nigeria, they will beat down rates and still get queues of people ready to take the job with unguaranteed work hours.

Unless the company is maximally productive all-round the clock,, then there is no need having all the workers at the workplace at all times..

If there are are hours when the company is Not being maximally productive,, then there is need for workers Not to be at work at such times. Only a few can stay back at such times in order to maximize the work-hours and productivity..

One thing is this...
Once a worker is at work, then the time of the worker must be counting.

Thus,, the hourly-Pay system is aimed at productivity and maximized use of time.

An employer wouldn't want any employee sitting idle, because every wasted hour is a huge loss to him.
Thus,, instead of having workers stay around at low-work hours, he better ration them.

And that's the fair and rational thing to do.

Crafteck1:
De play, its all on the ourchase power of consumers.

Okk

advanceDNA:
..which attitude are u even emphasizing ?..will an employer have work in his operations and just refuse to give out the hours t?? Cos I don't get you...it's the employer's loss naaa...

Wateva the attitude u are talking about ....the point is..employees will get payed for the ours they put in..instead of working more and being paid less...
It's one of the ways to stop exploitation.... Take it or leave it.... We don't have to agree

He is an employer trying to do reverse psychology here..

So, nothing you say can convince him, because he doesn't want to see the discussion from both sides of the lens

dfrost:
Depends on profession, cadre, years of experience. There's no one size fits all.

What do you understand “MINIMUM WAGE” to be??

jamesbridget13:
Level 3-5 between 400-800 per hour
Level 6-7 between 1000-3000 per hour
Level 8-10 between 4000-6000 per hour
Level 12-16 between 7000-10000 per hour

Sense no go kill me

This one don already prepare the whole salary-scale finish .

finallybusy:
After una debate tire, sleep straight. Nothing fit comot from Nairaland. Everything begin and end here.

You don't know who is reading..

Someone might start to think.

Economists might start their researches on same topic or similar topics,, and come up with better suggestions..

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I have made a post on Nairaland earlier which got debated on ARISE-TV,, and I later saw it being discussed on other platforms.

Crafteck1:
Tell us how big the economy is because i know it all depends on consumers purchase power, most restaurant make gain of 20k per day having like 5 workers being paid 30k monthly.. If we were to pay 1k per hour, use your imagination to figure the rest

The productivity of the restaurant determines the amount of workers..

If there are 5 busy workers,, the turnover in the restaurant will definitely get me the amounts to pay them.

Else I cut down.

The top-notch services which the workers render all counts to the productivity..

Every person works to make the best use of his/her time in order to merit their pay.
Else, a bad review will cause the person to be pruned off.

Emmachudi:
Minimum wage should be #350/ hour

Too Poor Abbegg

jimmyvic:
Stop daydreaming and face reality.... this will never happen in Nigeria

It will abbegg..

And na Tinubu go do am sef.

yinkeys:
Is there a maximum wage cap
All those people earning over 500 million naira annually as basic take home pay from the government purse and we don’t get to see tangible work done
The disparity between a labourer & a house of representative is too wide
Isn’t this why people try to kill themselves to get there

For Government Paid Workers/Persons,, there are MAXIMUM WAGES Which he shouldn't earn above..

And thus,, if they begin to live some certain lifestyles while still in service,, they needed to be checked.