truthislight:


from those on red ^^^



See , Jesus has a begining from that, see below:

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." (John 1:1).
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From that ^, it is obviouse that Jesus christ have a begining. His start was "in the begining".

But the almighty/true God has no begining:

but the father, the true God has no begining:

1 Timothy 1:17
Amplified Bible (AMP)


"Now to the King of eternity,[color=#990000] incorruptible and immortal, invisible, the only God,[color=#990000] be honor and glory forever and ever".(1timothy 1:17)
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The almighty is and has always been there from eternity to eternity.

So, your statement above is plain falsehood.

Read ^ and upgrade.

Peace

Bidam: Christ was concealed in the OT and revealed in the NT. He is the visible image of God for no ONE has seen and can see God. It is clear and evident in scripture that Jesus and the Father are ONE, THEY ARE NOT SEPARATE ENTITIES but distinct personalities and that is why Jesus is called God the Son

The word Father in relation to God doesn't mean father the way one is related to a human father( that is human logic and that was why i told you to let God do the reasoning on this one because the foolishness of God is wiser than men,So if you take it i insulted you sorry it is the scriptures not me. ). or in the sense of someone who is "greater" or "older"( i can see how you are trying too hard to build an erroneous doctrine on exaltation, na Jw style be that.. ). God is not "older" than Jesus Christ( I double dare you to show me a single verse of scripture that says God is older than Jesus Christ).

Jesus is ETERNAL, as God the Father is ETERNAL,rather,the word FATHER refers to God's being the SOURCE from which Jesus was sent.

Bidam: we will see who is really blind by
twisting the word of God to suit
Jw's doctrines.

YES. . Like i said earlier it was a
role He gladly took by coming to
Earth through the virgin birth.
Ps.110:1 "The Lord said to my Lord
sit at my right hand until I make
your enemies your footstool."Jn.1:
2[i] “He was in the beginning with
God all things were made through
him[/i].

YES. Because Jesus says He was
“with the Father before the world
began.” John the apostle said in
Jn.1:2 He was there in the
beginning with God. And Jn1:10 the
world was made through Him. This
very same concept is written from
the writer in Hebrews1 that, “God
made the worlds through the Son”,
as well as Col.1:15. If He is not
literally there, then it is a lie.

Your human reasoning which is
foolishness does not in any way
negate the word of God.
Let God do the reasoning
concerning this. The last time i
checked the foolishness of God is
wiser than Men.

Bidam: ever learning but never able to come to the knowledge of the truth that is who you are...Yes Christ possess all.Any objections?

Bidam: I did answer. You were blind to see it. I said it was a role Jesus as God the SON, WHO IS THE WORD OF GOD IN HEAVEN gladly volunteered to do. ALL(FATHER,SON,HOLY GHOST) are co-equal and co-eternal.

I hate it when i ask, "what is the
colour of an Elephant?" and
someone will start telling me, "the
colour of a 'Nama' is white, it has
elephant's tail..." I hate dishonesty.
Let me ask again, when he was the
Rock mass, 1Cor 10:4, did he
possess the glory and exaltation he
was give in Phil 2:9-10? Or are you
saying, the glory of our God was
very low then?

Bidam: I never said the bold, you implied it.

Ofcos the devil hates truth, it is no surprise you hate truth.


Ofcos i do.

This is what the Trinity means in short form

1. God is One
2. The Father is God
3. The Son is God
4. The Holy Spirit is God
5. The Father is not the Son
6. The Father is not the Holy Spirit
7. The Son is not the Father
8. The Son is not the Holy Spirit
9. The Holy Spirit is not the Son
10. The Holy Spirit is not the Father
11. God is one being and three persons.

Bidam: No confusion and lie here oga...We do not interpret scripture using human wisdom but by the help of the Holy Spirit...comparing scripture with scripture.Actually He is God the Son.Isaiah said so:
For unto us a child is born, unto us a SON is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.Isaiah 9:6

Christ was always there concealed in the old and revealed in the new.It ain't my fault if JW's can't see HIM.It might do you good to look at Paul's statement i quoted once again which are in perfect harmony with peter's.Except you are telling us Paul is a liar here.

And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.1 Corinthians 10:4.

OT scripture refer to this ROCK as God.

"Thou art my Father, my God, and the Rock of my salvation." (Psalm 89:26 RSV)


"There is none Holy like The Lord, there is none besides Thee; there is no Rock like our God." (1 Samuel 2:2 RSV)

Me denounce trinity which is the foundation of my belief.Are you sic?,can you show me where my statement denounce trinity or make it weak This is your false assumption not mine. I never said such above. I said the son is co-equal and co-eternal with the father. If e like make e pain you.
Hmmn..i can see you trying hard to strike out an eternal scriptural truth.
Rather, you are the one confused here pal, You need to take more bible lessons.

Bidam: No one is confused here except you and the JW's.

You are the one who is looking and never seeing. I see God the Son very much in agreement with God the father. God the Son is the visible and tangible REALITY of God the Father cos no Man has seen or can see God.

I love scripture because they are in perfect harmony,scripture interpret scripture and no prophecy of scripture is in isolation and of PRIVATE interpretation. The same God( Phil 2:6) who took the form of a servant(Phil 2:7) also took the form of a prophet, Apostle and a High priest( heb 3:1)...so no be today we see am for bible.

As far is this doctrine is concerned, it is not subject to the whims and cunningly devise fables of your Jw organization. Rev 3:12 makes it even more clearer. A Son cannot be greater than is Father. A Son is as much equal and eternal just as His Father is.

Bidam: No one is confused here except you and the JW's.
You are the one who is looking and never seeing. I see God the Son very much in agreement with God the father. God the Son is the visible and tangible REALITY of God the Father cos no Man has seen or can see God.

I love scripture because they are in perfect harmony,scripture interpret scripture and no prophecy of scripture is in isolation and of PRIVATE interpretation. The same God( Phil 2:6) who took the form of a servant(Phil 2:7) also took the form of a prophet, Apostle and a High priest( heb 3:1)...so no be today we see am for bible.

As far is this doctrine is concerned, it is not subject to the whims and cunningly devise fables of your Jw organization. Rev 3:12 makes it even more clearer. A Son cannot be greater than is Father. A Son is as much equal and eternal just as His Father is.

Sal C: I don‘t know about them. If they told you something you rejected, good for you. Or you can go and iron it out with them.

Sal C: Happy sunday brethren hope you all attended mass today.
@Rich4god i saw what you did there lol.
@Richieboyn amen and thanks for the prayers.
@Maria Gorreti thanks for keeping the flag flying.

@youngprofdguru you are highly welcome home.

@FrancisTony Lol Sal C ain‘t no sir oo.

woky: ^^

tnkx bro

is bin long i say the Angelus on my own




poor me

damerry: Taaah, brethren this fellow has nothing to contribute. Please IGNORE

+ i actually invited him, he is my dear Boomark.

frosbel: Okay, so he made billions of
people knowing in advance that
he will destroy 95% of them ,
right ? But to make matters
worse, your destruction is not
actually destruction but eternal
torment.
So lets recap on your logic :
- God makes billions of humans
who never chose to be here on
their own volition
- He damns almost all of them
- sends them to an eternal place
of torment.
- only a very few are saved
May I ask what kind of freak you
are serving ?

shdemidemi:

I am sorry I cldn't help you.

shdemidemi:


Were angels human?

Were they subjected to any law?

They were outside time and outside scriptures. The entire story of humanity and God's will towards man started after they rebelled against God.



First thing first, there is a difference between the 'world' and the 'earth'. The world is a system on earth. The world shall come to an end but the earth would never end. Therefore, the world system started after the fall and not in the garden.

Before God created man, He knew the end of man. The forbidden fruit was in the garden for a reason, if it was not there, there wouldn't have been a fall in the first place. in fact, God placed it right in the middle of the garden.Man had to fall and God had to redeem man back to Himself.

There is light and there is darkness. The garden of Eden was safe haven for man, God pushed man out of light into darkness. God shut the door against man, all man could do was to thread from darkness into more darkness. God also knew He would draw man back to Himself by becoming the son of man.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;



The devil is as confused as men when it comes to what God is doing. Like you and I go about our business everyday, not knowing how our day will turn out. The devil also does all he can do not knowing the end but only God sees the end even from the beginning.

So all these things you 'bookmark' define as evil may be there, so God can bring out His own people and take the glory to himself through it. Out of the entire dead people in the world, God chose one man called Abraham. Through Abraham in the midst of all the immoralities in the world, He showed His love and He took the glory. Even till date, the Jews glorify God for what Abraham achieved by election.

Similarly, in our present sinful world today, God chose the church as a separate people, as the light of the world through whom He takes the glory.

ayoku777:

Its not about saying what is 'good' or 'bad' (by human standard). Its called dividing the word of truth (without sentiments). To give that passage another interpretation would be twisting scripture to suit our prejudice; and that's heresis.

Here is another scripture where the same thing was done to judge erring brethren for their spirits' sake.

1Tim 1v19-20 -Holding faith and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck: Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; WHOM I HAVE DELIVERED UNTO SATAN, that they may learn not to blaspheme.

Paul delivered them unto satan so that their blasphemy will not degenerate into unbelief (sin unto death).

shdemidemi:

If that is the way you like to put it, tough.

I have said earlier that the angelic conflict and the protocol there cannot be in any way compared to human dispensations. As for God's will, you and I don't know the rudiment of His will, all we know is that the Will of God remains paramount.


When was the world ever perfect?

When was the world ever perfect?

Logicboy03:

Everyone is annoying when you are constantly angry.

I have a rare case of butthurtalotitis

Bidam: Thanks bro... for the clarification, i couldn't have said it better.

shdemidemi:
The angelic conflict is outside man, they were not in the world at the time.. More so, You can't use that as a leverage to justify what we are discussing here. The whole reason why God created man was to show Lucifer that I will create people who wld disobey me like you did, yet I will find a way to forgive them and draw them close to me. But for what you(Lucifer) have done, you are condemned.

shdemidemi:

The reason for sufferings is because God made it so...

It does not mater how emotional we get as humans, God has promised us a better place at redemption.




If God really want to use you, He can take away all you think you have or represent so you look up and put your trust in Him. Some are deceived by their money, some have false hopes in their husband, parent, job. God can take any of these things from you to get your attention. We must know that some troubles or mishaps we go through are God ordained for our spiritual growth, praying against such test is like praying against the will of God.

God says endure hardness as a soldier of Christ, why and how will I endure hardness if there isn't a test from any source?