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These things are still happening. Let everyone learn and spread knowledge of the truth.

BlindAngel:
Good afternoon Nairalanders, my wife gave birth last week which was Saturday July 13th, that day was also my birthday, she gave birth through CS, this is our first child, and it's a boy.


This week Saturday is our baby's naming ceremony but my wife is insisting that her pastor must be the one officiate the naming the child, we've been disagreeing over this for some couple of days now,

she has called me all sorts of names, insulted me that I'm a very wicked man that I have no conscience, that after she pain and tearing she went through and still going through, I can't make this as a sacrifice for her, that I choose my family over her. She said so because my family also insist too that the naming must be done by our pastor.

But she's keying on the fact that she won't agree for the naming to be done in my church that it must be done by her pastor, she has cried and insulted me regarding this. Yesterday when we were arguing about this same particular issue she starting crying endlessly and calling me a wicked man.

I have finally agreed for her to use her pastor to do the naming, although I don't know her pastor and haven't seen him before, but I only agreed because of the CS operation she did while giving birth, her endless crying might affect her, if not there's absolutely no way possible I'd have agreed.

I must say that she doesn't know the repercussions of what sha has done by challenging my authority and always wanting to have her way with tears all the time. But time sha tell, I'm in so much rage right now, and I'm trying my possible best to control myself and not to loose my anger over this.

https://www.nairaland.com/7654258/disobedience-to-husband-and-issue-of-attending-different-chuches

Read this post bro and solve your problem. Let your wife read it too.

EmperorCaesar:
When its a positive statistics, he-gbo would be quick to tell us how their numbers have them propelled SW to the top but now thats a negative one, they wont tell u how their population in the SW have also help push to numbers upward

They only selectively use their population in the SW to back up some stats

Hypocrites

Your English alone has shown how he-gbos have helped to reduce the percentage to 7. It should have been more.

Skydivine:
There are some of their teachings that are very dogmatic.
Their stance on blood transfusion
Their teaching about paradise on earth
Their interpretation of the Adamic nature of sin
The meaning and interpretation of hedge and hell

Go and read Revelation 20, 21, and 22. Take note the new heaven and new earth, new Jerusalem, kings of the earth. What happened in Israel was a showdown of what is to come. These are the last things that will be happening.

paxonel:
you are mumu, you nor get sense for your head. Black monkey, that's what you are.

Christianity has been practiced in Europe and other places long before you Africans smell it, and there has never been this level of mumu in the history of humans.

No respect for contextual accuracy.
You are looking for where Gal 5:21 says you should not use the scripture in vain purpose before you know that you shouldn't use itt ?
You are a fool!
What stops you from writing your own book of women councelling and use it to correct your women?
If God swear for you for using his book wrongly you will say he is bad. That's how you people eventually turn into atheism because you don't understand anything.

A book is written specifically for religious purpose and you are using it to practice gender discrimination in the name of correcting women.

You are a fool!
you are a fool!
You can never see light in ignorance i swear.

I will only adive you, go back to school.
You don't have any business preaching.

It is preachers like you have ended teaching Africa to become backward in reasoning over the years.

Confirmed agent of darkness who is roaming around day and night encouraging women to continue in adultery, hatred, wickedness, malice, lying, fornication, fraud, and all kinds of things that God hate.

All women who are of God should avoid him and his deceit. His couldn't answer my last question in the picture below in response to his own question. he abandoned the women we are talking about and started giving me advice.

He also tried to insinuate that a book written for religious purpose should to be used to correct goats, mosquitoes, pawpaw and plantain chips, instead of human beings which includes men and women.

It is obvious that we have an illiterate agent of darkness here ooking for who to deceive. Darkness cannot shine where there is light.

paxonel:
Do you see how foolish you are?
Did Gal 5:21 specify that it was talking to women?

I guess your brain is very empty to understand that every scriptures are written accurately and in precision.

And as such, you are not fit to have an intellectual discussion.
So get lost!

And Gal 5:21 told you it shouldn't be used to correct women?

Light and empty head darkness have nothing in common.

paxonel:
ok

Finally he has given you a dangerous uppercut with his fine questions. What you believe in is just useless. You are lucky you chickened out before I get started because I like frustrating ignorant people with questions until they realise that what they believed in is totally useless.

Dtruthspeaker:
Your laughing face already shows that you know you are lying and that it is wrong. I can also do that to your question but we know that it would render our posts senseless.

So clearly answer the question or continue dodging it

I like the way you are exposing his ignorance. Imagine the lier saying he wants to rephrase your question before he answers. The guy is walking in darkness and an agent of darkness with the way he is encouraging sin and wickedness.

paxonel:
mteeeeew!

Don't quote me again o

Ignorant preacher! who lacks the capacity to reason.
No wonder your post is about degrading the female gender.

What do I have to do with an illiterate? You are here to defend fornication, adultery and wickedness of female gender. Hellfire is waiting for you and the women you are deceiving, Gal 5:21. Oya go and remove it from the bible make I see.

Dtruthspeaker:
Is your Law of Faith not still a Law? If anyone breaks it do they not break The Law?

And you are still dodging the question Where can you find a case of person being judged wherein he did not break a Law?

You don't need to stress yourself with people who dodge questions and can't follow simple instruction. They don't have anything to offer or teach.

correctguy101:
Ah..

No vex, daddy is lazy tonight...

Most of the crimes you're pinning on women alone are not performed alone.. In those scenes, a man or some men ( in the case of sleeping with many men) are also involved...

So, why you so against the female gender when both genders are equally "criminals" depending on who's involved?

Brace yourself... for I have questions for you and you must answer them.

A woman stole a bag and was caught, do you need to start looking for all the men who steal bags before you call that woman a thief? Yes or No.

paxonel:
then prove it by explaining yourself why they are useless
like how ?
And moreover, English language isn't what we are discussing, so?

In your op, you listed out laws broken by women that because they broke these laws, then they will go to hell.
And i pointed that breaking laws are never criteria for hell,

Romans 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law(whether you break law or not)

And that refusal to believe in Christ(having faith in Christ) is the only criterion for hellfire. Which implies, believing in Christ is the only criterion for justification


John 3:18 ...but he that believeth not is condemned already,

Is that too difficult to understand?
where is the contradiction there?
if this is so, why did you condemn women who broke the laws you mentioned in your op to hell fire in the first place, not stating the right criterion for hell fire which is lack of Faith in Christ ?

And when you were bursted, you keep on quoting 1 Corinthians 6:9 which has nothing to do with Faith in Christ but strictly the works of lawlessness.

Or do you think religion is English class?

The point is, because you don't understand religion does not mean that nobody understands religion.

That's why whatever information you are passing across you must be very accurate in validity. Because you don't know who will counter you at any point in time

This has shown that you are truly a lier and a deceit with too many empty and contradictory words. You don't even know how to follow simple instruction, how much more bible instructions. Maybe you don't really understand English. Or you are just doing copy and paste, and cannot answer specific questions. Or maybe you knew you have goofed already and want to use too many words to cover up. You can't deceive me incase you don't know.

I am done with you. I don't have time to waste on someone who can't follow simple instruction. Such people cannot learn, they can't teach, and don't really know anything. What I wrote for you last time is simple and straightforward, if you don't understand it bye bye.

paxonel:
lies!
quote the scripture out let's see
no, don't worry about any sin first, let's see what will happen to you.
You think the reason why sensible people stay away from sin is the fear of hell fire?
You know know that whatever you sow, you will reap it on this earth?
your statement is incomplete.
Guarantee what?

If you disobey any commandment your guarantee is physical destruction, you will see it.
You don't need Christ or the bible to tell you that one
show me one scripture in the new testament that outrightly says if a believer commit sin, he or she is destined to hellfire?

You are not getting the difference.
When Paul and other early Apostles like John wrote to the church or fellow believers not to commit sin, they were simply advice given in good faith.
There is no where in the new testament that Paul or any Apostle for that matter condemned any sinful believer that he is going to hell fire for sinning

Now let me tell you. Everything you have been typing are just useless. Will I say you don't know how to use english words. Go back to where you started and we will take it step by step. You write a lot of contradictory things to confuse people and yourself.

Go and check the meaning of the word only/alone and agree to what you wrote in the picture below that only belief in Christ will take people to the kingdom of God. No too much words, simple answer and I ask another question for clarity. You are going to teach me now.

orisa37:
I AM NOW A SCRIPTURE AND A LESSON FROM ABOVE.

Me too. That's why you can't stand against what I have written because it is the word of God. Who can stand? Not those that claim to be scripture but can't quotw a single scripture to defend themselves.

CHoccolaTE:
Me Op when will you create a topic that will address
1. Male robbers
2. Male rapists
3. Male one chance operators
4. Male kidnappers
5. Males that infected their wives with HIV because of their adulterous nature.
6., Males that rape their own daughters (incest)
7. Male yahoo boys
8. Male Cultists
9. Male corrupt politicians
10. Males that abandoned their families even after God told them to provide and love their wives

And so on and so forth.

You opened mouth waaaaa to claim women are worse than men like a typical woman hating Nigerian pastor.
Things like this make me tired of you men. Una too hate women, always trying to destroy or bring them down.

You are free to create it and invite me. Unless you are using your male counterparts as excuse to continue living in fornication, lying at every little opportunity, adultery, cheating, defrauding men in the name of relationship. All who these things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

You think by writing these things I will pity you and your iniquitous male counterparts. The word of God is clear. Looking for pity will not save you. Go and repent and join the good women who are obeying God's word.

paxonel:
Obviously, those of you that do not believe that believing in Christ alone guarantee the kingdom, lack the ability to understand the bible in that aspect. Yet you are the once preaching the most it is not wrong, it is the gospel truth.
As a matter of fact, the other gospel that teaches sinlessness in addition to believing, is the wrong gospel.

It is either Christ alone or sinlessness alone.

Romans 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

There is nothing like when you believe, in addition you must ask for forgiveness of sin and stop committing sin.
Where then is the Grace we are talking about in Christ if that is so?
Though, it appears that this is condoning sin, but it is not. Rather, it gives one the assurance of salvation even when you sin.

Ok, another question i will ask you : Are you living a sinless life as a Christian?
Be sincere to yourself
because the original post is lie on it's own.
How can yiu say many women will go to hell fire simply because they commit sin, do you understand what you post at all?
Many women will go to hellfire simply because they didn't believe in Christ, that is what you should say.

John 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:

The only condition for the Israelites to be saved in the wildness was them to lift up their eyes and look on the serpent lifted up by Moses. That's the only thing and nothing else

Romans 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
Romans 4:4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
Romams 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Just believing only, that's all.
Your belief is counted as righteousness
did i defend this?
I didn't say or defend this o, please read all what i have been saying.
what you don't like is to calm down and look at it critically

Obviously those people who believe that believing in Christ alone will guarantee them entry into the kingdom of God are the ones 1 John said are living in darkness.

If it is just belief in Christ, then the sin you are talking about doesn't matter. Why do I need to worry about any sin when my belief has guaranteed me heaven? Why do I need to obey any other commandment when I have belief only guarantee?

1 John 2:4
If someone claims, “I know God,” but doesn’t obey God’s commandments, that person is a liar and is not living in the truth.

If you think you know him or believe in him but have refused to obey his commandments, you are a lier and you are wasting your time. This is another warning. His commandments is that you must walk in the light as he is light.

So after the Israelites looked at the Moses serpent and were saved, they later disobeyed God again and again, did the serpent guarantee their salvation or were they punished again and again? Shebi only serpent and nothing else can save them till eternity?

Should Abraham disobey God's commandments after believing him, he will see the consequences.
Moses believed God but disobeyed his commandment at some point, that was why he didn't enter the promised land.

As you can see what you are teaching is not supported by the scripture. How can you be talking about believe only and still add forgiveness of sin to it. In other words if you don't ask for forgiveness of sin, your belief is useless. If you don't obey God's commandments your belief in Christ is useless.

Belief in Christ is the first step and after that you must obey his commandments to stop walking in the flesh because those who live in the flesh will not inherit the kingdom of God, Gal 5:21.

I cannot say I don't sin but I don't go in adultery and sexual immorality and hope that my belief has covered me. I don't maltreat an innocent child/maid thinking my belief has covered me. I don't practice wickedness, lying, hatred, and anything I want, thinking my belief has covered me. Those who do these things will not inherit the kingdom of God. I aim to walk in the light as God is light not in darkness.

paxonel:
that the summary contradicts 1 John 1:8 ?
i didn't say so
Explain yourself
you have not done any justice, you end up mixing up things.

The scripture is very straightforward

1 John 1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
1 John 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
Matthew 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

In the context of this scripture, walking in darkness means "to say we have no sin ".
It means to deny our natural nature of sin.

Working in darkness in this scripture does not mean working in Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, etc mentioned in Galatians 5:21

Working in darkness means not being truthful to ourselves that we commit these sins due to our natural body.

And because we commit these sins, therefore it was necessary for Christ to come and cleans us.

1 John 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

As a matter of fact, we make Christ a liar for dying on the cross for us.
In orherwords, we are saying that what he did on the cross is not useful.

Now, i ask the question again.
Are you trying to say that this scripture contradicts Galatians 5:21 that end up saying.
I quote
..they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.?

Are you saying that Galatians 5:21 is making Christ a liar?
Because, from 1 John 1:10 everyone have sinned.
If that be so, everyone have done such things mentioned in Galatians 5:21 and shall not inherit the kingdom of God, making what Christ did on the cross a futile attempt and a lie

Explain yourself

Bro if you want us to continue, I would like you to agree that belief alone as guarantee to the kingdom of God which you have been defending all these while is wrong. this was what you have been using to stand against my original post.

Your belief contradicts what you are now defending, that we have sin in us and need to ask for forgiveness to be counted worthy. So agree that you erred not knowing the scriptures so we can continue. I don't like people running from pillar to post. See picture of your belief below.

paxonel:
wrong!

You know,
There is no way you can explain a single scripture of the bible in isolation.
Every scriptures have references to another scriptures, that's the only way we can get the true explanation.

According to you, those who are crucified in the flesh don't engage in the acts mentioned in Galatians 5:21
But 1 John 1:8 says, and i quote : If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

Are you trying to say that 1 John 1:8 contradicts Galatians 5:21 ?
Hence, you are saying that the bible is a contradiction of itself?

Explain yourself

I gave you a summary of Galatians 5 with many verses and you said I quoted a single scripture. It is good to also know you said Paul was wrong in what he said in Galatians 5. Bros you have a problem. You cherry picked just 1 John 1:8 out of context and proved nothing at the end. Now let me summarize 1 John 1 and 2 for you to show that if you live in the flesh or darkness, you will not make it to the kingdom of God. This is a fact you cannot oppose.

God is light and there is no darkness in him, 1jn 1:5. You cannot claim to have fellowship with God and yet you walk in darkness (acts of the flesh), you lie,1jn 1:6. Light and darkness has nothing in common 2 Corinthians 6:14. You must ask God forgiveness of your sins before you are countered worthy, mere belief in Christ is not enough, 1jn 1:8. Anyone who hates his brother or sister is living in darkness and walks around in darkness and they are blinded by darkness, 1jn 2:9-11. Hatred is darkness and an act of the flesh, Gal 5:20. Therefore those who live in darkness or acts of the flesh has nothing to do with God, 1jn 1:6, and they will not inherit his kingdom, Gal 19:21.

See how I have done justice to the 1jn 1:8 you quoted out of context. This is how you should read to get better understanding and dump the errors you now believe in.

By the way, you should go back to where you started and show me how mere believe in Christ will take you to the kingdom of God. So you even know you should ask for the forgiveness of sins you commit? Why not continue living in the flesh, don't ask for forgiveness because your grace and belief in Christ alone is your guarantee to enter the kingdom of God. See belief in the picture below.

paxonel:
what I'm explaining to you requires your intellect to understand.

You see this Christianity we are practicing today in Africa?
Europe that imported the religion to Africa don't do what we Africans are doing here.
They practice the same Christianity intelligently, that's why their lives are note better than Africans today..

Two major answers to your questions you should go and think over is :
1. At the time of Matthew 7:21-23 Jesus was not yet crucified. Hence there were no Christians then.
So i don't know where you get the idea that Matthew 7;21-23 was referring to Christians.
2. You don't need the bible to tell you that anyone who commit sin, Christian or no Christian, will face the consequences of their actions here on earth.
A scripture quoted God saying i will visit the sins of the fathers to the third and forth generation.
It is in this world that all these things can happen.
And Jesus says my kingdom is not of this world.

I don't think you go about tagging everyone who commit sin as candidates of hell.
I mean, if you identify a Christian who is a chronic sinner and you go to his house and start shouting, you will go to hell fire. He has the right to throw you out of his house and there is nothing you can do about it.
So, anything that has to do with heaven or hell, you are not the one to judge.
You can only leave the judgement for God to do because you didn't create one soul, or do you?

You have failed to understand the message. Let me summarize it for you. Let your response be on Gal 5.

When you belong to Christ, you crucify your flesh with its passion and desires, Gal 5:24. In other words, Those who crucify their flesh don't engage in the acts of the flesh which includes, sexual immorality, hatred, jealousy, etc. Gal 5:19-21. Those who engage in the acts of the flesh were warned that they will not inherit the kingdom of God, Gal 5:21. Do not be deceived, If you do things of the flesh, you reap destruction, but if you do things of the spirit, you gain eternal life. Gal 6:7-8.

So anyone who thinks he belongs to Christ and still engage in act of the flesh thinking grace had covered them are simply deceiving themselves. What is written is very very clear.

Those who belong to Christ, have crucified their flesh. They live by the spirit and will not gratify the flesh, Gal 5:16. The flesh is contrary to the spirit and they are in conflict with each other, Gal 5:17. The fruit of the spirit are, love, joy, forbearance, self-control, etc.

You cannot serve two masters at a time. These are warnings to believers not pagans. Gal 1:2. Sow in the flesh and reap destruction, sow in the spirit and reap eternal life. Grace or believe cannot save anybody..

paxonel:
You didn't complete this.
You ignored verse.24

Galatians 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts

You don't understand?
For those that are in Christ, all these their witchcraft, impunity, hatred, jealousy etc have been crucified in the flesh, giving them a new spirit which is that of God

Therefore the advice in verse 25
Galatians 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

There is no way you can substitute or combine Christ with your ability to live righteously.
What Christ did on the Cross, is unique for your salvation and there is nothing else that you will do that will offer that salvation to you order than Christ
You can't even live righteously in the first place

1 John 1:8 if we say we do not commit sin, then we lie and deceive ourselves
warn for saying the truth?

I didn't ignore anything. It just that you have failed to understand the message. Let me summarize it for you.

When you belong to Christ, you crucify your flesh with its passion and desires, Gal 5:24. In other words, Those who crucify their flesh don't engage in the acts of the flesh which includes, sexual immorality, hatred, jealousy, etc. Gal 5:19-21. Those who engage in the acts of the flesh were warned that they will not inherit the kingdom of God, Gal 5:21. Do not be deceived, If you do things of the flesh, you reap destruction, but if you do things of the spirit, you gain eternal life. Gal 6:7-8.

So anyone who thinks he belongs to Christ and still engage in act of the flesh thinking grace had covered them are simply deceiving themselves. What is written is very very clear.

Those who belong to Christ, have crucified their flesh. They live by the spirit and will not gratify the flesh, Gal 5:16. The flesh is contrary to the spirit and they are in conflict with each other, Gal 5:17. The fruit of the spirit are, love, joy, forbearance, self-control, etc.

You cannot serve two masters at a time. These are warnings to believers not pagans. Gal 1:2. Sow in the flesh and reap destruction, sow in the spirit and reap eternal life. Grace or believe cannot save anybody..

paxonel:
heaven has nothing to do with tithe and sin.

Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world...

In otherwords, so long the sinner is a believer, heaven is sure for him

Sinners will not inherit kingdom of God no matter what you believe.

Galatians 5:19-21
New International Version
19 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

You have been warned again and again. Do not be.deceived.

CrossRhodes:
Even though there is no specific scripture that condemned tithe payers to hell, it can be inferred..
Malachi says when you don't pay tithes you have "robbed" God.

Is a robber going to heaven in that state?

You can answer the question if you like.

If you don't pay your tithe as God commanded, and by paying your tithe to the wrong people, you are still robbing God and also disobedient to his commandments.

You must pay your tithe to the Levites, foreigners, motherless, widows, less privileged and the needy.

Deuteronomy 14:28-29
28 At the end of every three years, bring all the tithes of that year’s produce and store it in your towns, 29 so that the Levites (who have no allotment or inheritance of their own) and the foreigners, the fatherless and the widows who live in your towns may come and eat and be satisfied, and so that the Lord your God may bless you in all the work of your hands.

When last did you obey this commandment from God or are you both disobedient and a robber?

orisa37:
PITY FOR WOMEN, NO. THE GRACE OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST COVERS HIS LIGHT, HIS GOODNESS, HIS LIFE, THE FAITH, THE HOPE, THE PEACE AND HIS LOVE WHICH HE HAS GIVEN ALL HUMANKIND , MALE AND FEMALE.
WHEN YOU SHINE WELL, SHOW GOODNESS IN ALL YOUR WAYS AND LIVE WELL WITH PEOPLE IN ALL YOUR WAYS, JESUS WILL BE YOUR ADVOCATE AT THE TEMPLE OF GRACE. AT THAT TEMPLE, MANY WOMEN WILL QUEUE BEHIND SATAN, SERPENT AND EVE. ONLY THE FEW THAT QUEUE BEHIND OUR VIRGIN MARY WILL ENTER THE KINGDOM OF GOD.

I see You have your own doctrine which are not scriptural. No wonder you can't quote a single scripture. Anyway this here is true.

Galatians 5:19-21
19 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

There is no grace for those who live like this. Even if they are standing behind virgin Mary, they will not inherit the kingdom of God. it is not a place for liers, thieves, murders, sexual immoral, and wicked people.

orisa37:
AT THE TEMPLE OF GRACE, WOMEN ARE SATAN AND MEN ARE JESUS.

We have heard your opinion but they are useless because we are dealing with scriptures here as you have seen. This is not a place to look for pity. Pitying anyone both men and women is not for me to give. There is no pity for anyone who is living in sin thinking grace has covered them, Matthew 7:21. You must seek the will of God and do it.

Galatians 5:17
For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever you want.

You don't go about doing whatever you want thinking grace has cover you. You need grace to live in the spirit and not to live in the flesh and commit sin as you wish.

There is no law for those who are led by the spirit, Galatians 5:18. But those who live by the flesh will not inherit the kingdom of God, in verse 21.

Galatians 5:22-23
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.

Galatians 5:19-21
19 When you follow the desires of your sinful nature, the results are very clear: sexual immorality, impurity, lustful pleasures, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hostility, quarreling, jealousy, outbursts of anger, selfish ambition, dissension, division, 21 envy, drunkenness, wild parties, and other sins like these. Let me tell you again, as I have before, that anyone living that sort of life will not inherit the Kingdom of God.

For those who dwell in the flesh and sinful nature thinking that grace has covered them, they were warned that those who practice these things will not inherit the kingdom of God. And alternative to the kingdom of God is hellfire. I am not the first to say it, Christ also said it. The apostles said it.

So pick your bible and counter all that I have written. Personal opinion are very very useless here. I don't think you can really do anything here.

paxonel:
what I'm explaining to you requires your intellect to understand.

You see this Christianity we are practicing today in Africa?
Europe that imported the religion to Africa don't do what we Africans are doing here.
They practice the same Christianity intelligently, that's why their lives are note better than Africans today..

Two major answers to your questions you should go and think over is :
1. At the time of Matthew 7:21-23 Jesus was not yet crucified. Hence there were no Christians then.
So i don't know where you get the idea that Matthew 7;21-23 was referring to Christians.
2. You don't need the bible to tell you that anyone who commit sin, Christian or no Christian, will face the consequences of their actions here on earth.
A scripture quoted God saying i will visit the sins of the fathers to the third and forth generation.
It is in this world that all these things can happen.
And Jesus says my kingdom is not of this world.

I don't think you go about tagging everyone who commit sin as candidates of hell.
I mean, if you identify a Christian who is a chronic sinner and you go to his house and start shouting, you will go to hell fire. He has the right to throw you out of his house and there is nothing you can do about it.
So, anything that has to do with heaven or hell, you are not the one to judge.
You can only leave the judgement for God to do because you didn't create one soul, or do you?

What if I stand in the street with megaphone and shout that that those who lie, practice adultery, commit murder will be thrown into hell fire as seen in Revelation 21:8, will anyone say I came to their house? Will they say I am judging them when I was making reference to what is written in the scripture? As far as I know, nairaland is not anybody's house.


Galatians 1:1-2
1 Paul, an apostle—sent not from men nor by a man, but by Jesus Christ and God the Father, who raised him from the dead— 2 and all the brothers and sisters with me,

To the churches in Galatia:

This was what Paul wrote to the Christians in Galatia. I hope you will not say Christ was still on earth? See what he told them here.

Galatians 5:19-21
19 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

C'est fini!

You can start reading from verse 13. He told Christians not pagan that those who do these things will not inherit the kingdom of God. How many people have gone to warn him for trying to judge them? He didn't tell them that the reward for these things are on earth and later they will inherit the kingdom of God. This is just one out of many.

My brother your belief is an error. I have shown you what Christ said to the churches in Revelation. Those churches are Christian churches and made it clear to them that they will be rejected if they reject his commandments.

Kobojunkie:
Asking if you are yourself any sure that you are any better than the women you condemn at least makes me emotional in this. OK!

Don't ask me anything. Just bring your bible and condemn what I wrote let me see. Asking me to pity your emotional attachment to women will not work.

If you think I am not better, you can write for men and I will pick the areas that affect me and try and repent. I will not beg you to pity me and never expose my sins like you are indirectly begging me here. Go back and read what I wrote and repent. If you are still hiding your sins, go and confess to your husband or wife.

My evangelism is no respecter of any man.

Kobojunkie:
Your OP singles out a particular gender to condemn as though you and your gender are somehow exempted from the same— you are not simply saying here that unrighteousness shall not inherit the kingdom of God. Hence the reason why I wonder if you are at least born-again to assert such.

Until you prove me wrong in any of the things I wrote using the scripture, you have nothing to say. Use the scriptures and prove you are capable to defend what you are advocating. Being too emotional will not help you, neither will it changed what was written in the scripture. I am waiting for your scriptures if you can.

paxonel:
I certainly agree that believers should avoid sin. But let's fact check these scriptures you quoted, you will see that the bible cannot contradict itself.
Meaning, believers ought to keep the law or avoid sin for their sakes here on earth.
Not for them going to heaven.

There is no scripture in the bible that outrightly shows that a Christian who commit sin will go to hell.

There is no where the bible said that believers should avoid sin just because their stay on earth alone. This is a wrong belief. If everything is about belief in Christ, then the apostle have no business teaching about good conducts. So every believer can go on and live in sin because heaven must be achieved in the end?

Being a believer alone does not make you a Christian. Christian means being like Christ. Christ did not live a life of sin, so those living in sin and calling themselves Christian are deceiving themselves. Christ knows his people.

In Matthew 7:21-23 you said those who believed in the name of Jesus Christ, did many signs and wonders in his name are not Christians. You contradict yourself. Christ said something that will happen on the last day for anyone who failed but you have are the one that determines it is not for Christian. So those who do the will of God in Vs 23 are also not Christians?

I quoted Matthew 25:41-45, where helping the needy was used as a criteria for making it to the kingdom of God but you said helping the needy cannot take anyone to heaven. Can you boldly tell Christ that he made a mistake in his judgment? My brother your belief is an error.

Kobojunkie:
And unrighteousness knows no gender. So are you yourself already holy and righteous to begin with? If yes, please tell us what evidence you have to prove you are at least born-again.

So the problem here is that I must prove to be a born again before I can say the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God as it is written in the scripture? So what if I am unrighteous, will it make an unrighteous woman to enter the kingdom of God? Do you want to rewrite the scriptures I quoted?

Okay, now I am unrighteous, so go and counter the scriptures I quoted and prove me wrong.

MaxInDHouse:
You're setting your own standard God isn't in anyway like you're assuming!

Use scriptures against what I wrote or else you are assuming. I used scriptures as backup.

Kobojunkie:
OP, are we to believe that, unlike the women you castigate, you are yourself holy and righteous then? Are you here and now wanting us to believe that not only as you of the blood of Jacob but also at least born-again?

Why did you write this?

I said the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God. True or false?