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MaxInDHouse:
The highlighted never appeared in the original scriptures it's erroneous interpretation.

No matter what you think God's punishment is for all who wilfully practice sin so there's no gender issues about that!

If you miss hellfire, you cannot miss lake of fire in Rev 20:15. While preaching remember to tell people that it Enyi and tortoise[/b]that will go to lake of fire. Don't make me think you have mental issues.

[b]I still dare you to go that topic or of my topics and oppose what I have written. You think I am like you that will post one thing and start saying another thing. Preaching falsehood upandan.

MaxInDHouse:
From who?

You that is thinking women will go to Hellfire?

https://www.nairaland.com/7900392/why-many-women-go-hellfire

Ọmọ you're an empty vessel jọọ.

First of all there is nothing like Hellfire in God's word Hell means Grave and there is no fire attached to it misinformed translators misled people like you.

Secondly Jesus loves and appreciate women a lot he never said they will be punished unless they turn to practicing sin and both genders will face the same judgement.

So there's nothing to learn from misinformed churchgoers like you!

So according to a verified lier like you, those that will go to lake of fire Rev 20:15 are lizards, cockroaches, and monkey abi?

And your lying empty brain didn't see all sins I listed? Still wondering if you actually have eyes or you are using blind people's phone to view.

I challenge you to go with scripture against anything I have written in that post. Empty brains can't do anything.

Boomark:
There is nothing brilliant about this if you don't know what they are actually witnessing about Christ.
Is it not that he was sent by God.
That he came to reconcile us back to God.
That he is the way to God.
He is the mediator between man and God.
That we should pray to the Father in his name.
That his Father is our Father, his God is our God.
Everything is about Jehovah, the God of our lord Jesus, Eph 1:17.

All the things I wrote up there came from the scripture. I wonder the kind of witness you will give about Christ that is not to the glory of the Father?

@MaxInDHouse

Learn from this

MaxInDHouse:
Yet he silenced MAD PEOPLE shey?

Yet he allowed mad people to talk according to the scripture you quoted.

All we are saying is that you lied about the scripture you posted. If you cannot defend a scripture you posted, it is probably true that many things you think you know now are all lies. Go and start afresh.

I wonder why you are laughing when you lied

Emusan:
The best way I do use this to preach the gospel to them is by first asking this subtle question

Must I need to be a Jehovah Witness before I became believer?

Out of curiosity, some will answer outrightly No! But some will give an after thought answer Ye...... No!

The truth is, with that question, you have put them in a tight corner because no where in the scripture God command Christian to be His Witness rather the evidence throughout the scripture is that:

1. The Father Himself is a Witness to His Son
2. The Holy Spirit Himself is a Witness of the Son
3. The Apostles proclaim they are Witness of Jesus Christ
4. Jesus Himself commanded ALL HIS FOLLOWERS TO BE A WITNESS OF HIM not another person.

That is why, you see that the only scripture they can manipulate to back that claim up is from Old Testament which was never even about Jesus not to talk of His followers.

There is nothing brilliant about this if you don't know what they are actually witnessing about Christ.
Is it not that he was sent by God.
That he came to reconcile us back to God.
That he is the way to God.
He is the mediator between man and God.
That we should pray to the Father in his name.
That his Father is our Father, his God is our God.
Everything is about Jehovah, the God of our lord Jesus, Eph 1:17.

All the things I wrote up there came from the scripture. I wonder the kind of witness you will give about Christ that is not to the glory of the Father?

MightySparrow:
Emusan has brilliantly answered this question
in another thread:

Jehovah's Witnesses witness for Jehovah
1. The Father Himself is a Witness to His Son
2. The Holy Spirit Himself is a Witness of the Son
3. The Apostles proclaim they are Witness of Jesus Christ
4. Jesus Himself commanded ALL HIS FOLLOWERS TO BE A WITNESS OF HIM not another person.


https://www.nairaland.com/8144555/meet-deeper-life-first-female/6#130870505

There is nothing brilliant about this if you don't know what they are actually witnessing about Christ.
Is it not that he was sent by God.
That he came to reconcile us back to God.
That he is the way to God.
He is the mediator between man and God.
That we should pray to the Father in his name.
That his Father is our Father, his God is our God.
Everything is about Jehovah, the God of our lord Jesus, Eph 1:17.

All the things I wrote up there came from the scripture. I wonder the kind of witness you give about Christ that is not to the glory of the Father?

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus never approved MAD PEOPLE to serve as his disciples.

Period!

He never said anything about it and your citation is a lie. Period!

Dtruthspeaker:
Clearly the bible shows that Christ is The Lord, and The Lord is "Our God"! And He is the Same One Who Spioke to Moses and the people of old.

So People who served God faithfully even in the past are Christians, as Christ told the people in John 8:39

And ye who call yourselves jw are exactly like the people Christ spoke against in John 8:39 for you people are devils and liars and changers of God's Truth into a Lie upto the extent that you people call God a Liar.

You jws are devils True and through.

After all these name calling, it seems you are the lier here.

Show us where Jesus told the people in John 8:39 that past worshippers of God are Christians.

You still have a lot to learn. Keep name calling aside and learn.

Have you ever heard about the God of our Lord Jesus, Eph 1:17. Read that your John 8:38-42 and know the difference between God and Jesus. He was sent by God and didn't come by his own will. The sending started in heaven and he didn't decide on his own. He is the servant of God. If this one shock you I will give you scriptures. You people should cool down and learn.

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus trained his disciples on what to preach, how to preach, when to preach and the manner to preach so anyone not trained is unqualified for the assignment whether spirit or human!

Alright bro.

Wrong use of the scripture is the reason for false doctrine everywhere. It is the reason why jesusjnr2020 dodged my question with all his strength and energy.

He will soon know that he can't call me a robber and go scot-free. We will know the real robbers and the supporters of thievery and fraud soon.

MaxInDHouse:
According to the verses i cited (not quoted) the spirit speaking through some men proclaiming Jesus as the son of God were demons but Jesus will not allow them to continue speaking.

WHY?

Because Good News of God's kingdom is to be presented with modesty so the appearance of the preachers says a lot about the God they are REPRESENTING. Romans 10:13-15

Secondly there should be sanity in doing the preaching and teaching work as preachers should live in line with their messages, there is no godliness in dirtiness which insanes are known for. 1Corinthians 14:40

Thirdly the work should be well organized for observers to know that the God in question is keeping things in order. Jesus arranged the preaching work with a well planned strategy. Luke 10:1

That's why Jesus and his disciples never allowed demons who are enemies of God to speak about Christ or the identity of the servants of God {Act 16:16-18} because demons aren't having any good intentions towards the ministry or the ministers. 2Corinthians 11:14

MaxInDHouse:
Matthew 8:28-29 shows when a MAD MAN is PREACHING it's not to be welcomed because demons are behind it!

This is what you said. And I want you to use this same Matthew 8:28-29 to show us that what you said is true. If we can't see it, then what you said about this verses is a lie. Whether you quoted or cited it, it is a lie.

Also tell us if the demons lied about what they said about Jesus. Jesus stopped both humans and demons from making him known. But in that passage I didn't see anything like that.

MaxInDHouse:
Matthew 8:28-29 shows when a MAD MAN is PREACHING it's not to be welcomed because demons are behind it!

False teaching identified.
Go back to where you quoted and point out what the mad man preached. And also show us how it was rejected.

If only we ask ourselves questions and answer them, it will help us not to dodge questions as the op is doing.

jesusjnr2020:
The custodians of the english language you so much prided in have exposed your hypocrisy, lies and ignorance, not me, so if you like don't take their correction so you'd learn and stop shamelessly arguing so blindly and ignorantly in the public space about the same matter in the future.

Jesus called (considered) tithing a trivial (minor, less significant) issue as I said according to their definition of the verb, so the only liar here is you. Matthew 23:23

Even simple English of this world you don't know but are too proud to accept your error, how much more the things of the Spirit?

It's just that you're shameless, otherwise by now you would have retreated into the shell you emerged from as the Pharisees often did when Jesus exposed their hypocrisy and ignorance.

As I said earlier, if you haven't given God a 100% of what you have as we've done, the least you could give God is 10% as the Pharisees did otherwise you're a robber to God. Malachi 3:8

Let me leave you once more with the correction of your faulty understanding of the english verb "call" by the custodians of the language again, just incase this time you are humble enough to read and learn from them, so you could correct your error for your own good. However if you can't still take this simple correction, it means it would be a waste of my time to continue teaching you what you don't know, so please don't bother me again on this subject unless you're ready to learn.

Okay I am a robber because of Malachi 3:8? I hope you will not dodge my questions on this as usual when the time comes? Prepare and brace yourself.

I will keep Matthew 23:23 question that you refused answer for another time. The call and everything that you diverted to will be accommodated when the time comes.

jesusjnr2020:
The saddest part about small minds like yours is that the little knowledge you've acquired puffs you up so much, you begin to think you've known it all, and start to attack those who know better than you out of ignorance.

The screenshot below drawn from the definition of the verb "call" by the Cambridge dictionary, exposes how deficient you were even in the same English language that you thought you knew everything about.

So according to the given definition, did Jesus call tithing a trivial (minor, less significant) matter of the law, yes or no?

If I achieve nothing else in this convo, at least you've learnt something new in english about the verb, "call", from someone that lacked sense and understanding of English according to you.

No wonder God in all His wisdom had hidden these things from the wise and prudent (intellectuals) but revealed them to babes (unlearned) for those who think it's by understanding English. God uses the foolish things of this world to confound the wise, so I hope though you can now see the sheer ignorance of accusing me of lying against Jesus.

As for the part of you falsely accusing me of only calling tithing a trivial issue "now" despite the fact that I've been calling it a trivial issue from the onset as proven by the quotes of my previous posts, it's there in the screenshot you provided yourself, however if you can't still see it, it's not my fault. Your pride in ignorance wouldn't even let you understand the simple things of this world, how much more the things of the Kingdom of God which you blindly argue about?

I don't read all the nonsense you are posting. What I asked you to do is simple. If you cannot answer yes or no to a scripture, then know that you are busy teaching nonsense. People who don't know anything hide where it choke them.

1. You failed to answer a simple yes or no to my question Matthew 23:23.

2. You trick me and lured me to start talking about trivial and call just so you can run away from my question. The great deciever,.. well-done.

3. Since then you have typed more than 1000 words to defend some useless things I was not interested in but you cannot give me just one word answer that I need.

4. You lied against Jesus by saying what he never said simple.

5. You also lied against me, I demanded for proof and you failed to provide any. Another evidence that you are a great lier.

You called me a robber. Which scripture justifies you to call me that? I hope you can be able to answer my questions? I hate deceitful, hide and seek answers you give. You are not capable to say the truth.

jesusjnr2020:
Your poorly informed question to be more specific?

Now after falsely me accusing of not calling tithing a trivial issue initially, you're now falsely accusing me of lying against Jesus lol!

It's getting clearer that lying or falsely accusing people is not just an act of desperation but a perpetual habit of yours.

Now this from my 2nd post on this thread where I suggested tithing was a trivial issue:

This one is from My 3rd post here which was where I first specifically mentioned the word on this thread:

Now this is from your reply to my 10th post on this thread accusing me of not initially calling tithing a trivial issue:
I hope you can clearly see your first false accusation which made me first call you a liar.

Now you made a second false accusation against me that I lied against Jesus. Didn't Jesus Himself say that they omitted the weightier matters of the law because of tithing, thereby making tithing a minor or less significant matter of the law? So if I used trivial in the sense of being a minor issue of the law as Jesus Himself called it, it if false? You should know better than that.

But of course it's your way to falsely accuse innocent people, especially when they've clearly exposed your hypocrisy and ignorance about the Truth so continue if you like.

Dont you have sense or what? I clearly said that you should use pictures to show me where I lied that you started calling tithe trivial in this topic. Instead you are bringing cut and join quotes to beautify your lies. USE PICTURES.

To MAKE somebody look foolish is different from CALLING somebody a fool. You lack sense and don't understand how to use english. This is how you go about preaching false doctrines because you don't understand english. So it still stand that you lied against our Lord Jesus by saying what he never said. He never CALLED tithe trivial. You are the big lier that added it. Show me scriptural proof where he said it.

See picture below of what you accuse me of and get proof in pictures .

jesusjnr2020:
Panicking about a lying hypocrite proudly displaying his ignorance of Jesus teachings in the public space? Lol!

You lied I just started calling a tithing a trivial issue didn't you? Isn't that a lie based on this thread alone and doesn't that make you a liar? You should learn not to resort to lies even when you're becoming jittery that your hypocrisy and ignorance was being exposed.

The question was poorly informed which I have already perfectly explained to you on several occasions, but you've stubbornly refused to listen to sound knowledge, so what else do you want me to do? What Jesus said here is not about what the Pharisees tithed but about how they omitting the most important matters of the law because of tithing.

To educate you further, tithing (10%) only applies to those as the Pharisees who haven't kept the much greater commandment of giving God a 100% as Jesus taught His disciples to do.

Luke 14:33

So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.

This commandment of giving God a 100% supecedes that of paying of tithes which is only 10%. That's why the apostles didn't need to tithe because they had given God 100%.

But in the absence of a 100%, the least anyone ought to give God is 10% otherwise it would amount to robbery as God Himself puts it.

That's why Jesus required tithing of the Pharisees but not His disciples of which I am one.

It's also noteworthy, that even prior to Jesus' coming, there were those also exempted from tithing for a similar reason.

So if you haven't given God a 100% and are not still tithing (10%), you're nothing but a robber! Let that sink in.

Since you have dodged my question. Let me use picture evidence to show you that you are not just a hypocrite and a sycophant, but also a senseless lier.

See pictures below where your said Jesus called tithe trivial. Jesus never called it trivial, you did. Here you lied against Jesus. Saying what he never said. That something has more weight than another thing doesn't make that other thing trivial.

I told you to stop talking too much because that is where you hide a lot of lies. You don't any sense at all to remember all the lies you say. You say things that are full of error and can't answer simple questions.

Have you seen how you made a fool of yourself. Now show me with pictures where I lied as you said in the bolded. If you cannot show me, then you have made yourself a very big fool and a great lier.

jesusjnr2020:
You're already the actual liar, deceiver and the deceived here, so you ought to shield people from yourself instead, because from the onset, I have always maintained that tithing is a trivial issue.

Even from my second post on this thread, you will clearly see where I expressed my disapproval of the church always preaching of these trivial matters, including tithing which I put in bracket, instead of the important things that the mad man was preaching.

That is aligns with what Christ did Himself and is consistent with my threads here. Those who've been following them, are well aware of my position about this matter. I have also been severely attacked because of my position on several occasions, so for you to state that I just started calling it a trivial issue is not only false but highly ignorant of you.

Don't make it seem as though you cared about what Jesus said about tithing because you obviously don't, but just totally obsessed against tithing in any form, so please stop making it seem as if this is about tithing of mint, anise and cummin and not money.

Jesus only spoke about tithing on 2 or 3 occasions during His ministry, but all because of the hypocrisy of the Pharisees, omitting the most important matters of the law because of such trivial issues. He also made a similar remark about them negating and making the Word of God to be of none effect because of the traditions of men.

So it's ignorant to think the teaching of Jesus on that occasion was necessarily about tithing or what to tithe but to expose the hypocrisy of the Pharisees in that respect. If Jesus was obsessively against tithing as you are, He would have simply revoked the law as He did a few others, for instance, the law on divorce, but He never did despite mentioning it on several occasions.

That's why I don't condemn tithing even though i keep a much greater law Of Christ than tithing, which is to give God my everything and to keep His Word as the apostles of Christ did.

But not everyone is able to keep that greatest Law of Christ, that's where tithing comes in for Christians like you, at least it's better than nothing, so please stop speaking ignorantly on matters that exceed the scope of your spiritual capacity.

How can you call somebody asking you a yes or no questions a lier and a deceiver? What did I lie about? Or don't you know how to use english?

See how a hypocrite is panicking and stammering with long words. I am not interested in the history of your life. I am only need a yes or no answer to Matthew 23:23. Your stand and believe is a fatal error that is why you are denying Christ in public. Refusing to accept his word.

You are so afraid to say yes to Jesus' word that you claim you are following because you now have your own trivial stand. A trivial stand that you are not doing Jesus as said. I see a hypocrite and a sycophant.

Seek the true knowledge of God and of Jesus Christ. There is no shaking when you do. We will meet again at the front page so the world will see you clearly. I still need my answer. Yes or no.

jesusjnr2020:
You're actually the one omitting the main point of the saying of Jesus you quoted, but highlighting the trivial part of "pay tithe of mint, anise, and cummin" as the Pharisees were doing. I focus on the majors as Jesus did not the minors as the Pharisees, so don't expect me to take your obsession about the minor things seriously and ignore the most important things @bolded which is the whole point. You should tell us why you're so obsessed with something Jesus called trivial, If you truly cared about Him or His teachings.

You cannot deceive me. And I won't allow you to deceive other people. What you are now calling trivial is the tithe you said yourself that Jesus supported. And you are busy telling everybody that you are doing what Jesus said.

Matthew 23:23 (KJV)
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

In the boldened, Jesus said we should do everything. If you care about Jesus' word and in line with Jesus' word that we should do everything, I ask again..

Do you give tithe (of mint, anise, and cummin) and also do judgment, mercy, and faith as Jesus said?


Give me a simple Yes I do or no I don't.

Follow this answer pattern before you type other things. And don't behave as if you don't know how to follow instruction or guideline.

My obsession is to fish out sycophants, liers, and people who are refusing to obey the word of God and the will of God because of their church doctrines or lack of knowledge.

jesusjnr2020:
It's hypocrital to be using Jesus' name to push an antitithing agenda which Jesus never did. Whether it be of money or anything else, there's no where Jesus spoke against tithing despite knowing of tithing laws, so what you obsessed antitithers are doing has nothing to do with Christ but your own personal obsession. I am a true follower of Jesus because I follow His example by not condemning tithing but the abuse of it by the Pharisees, which I already displayed by my second post on this thread.

My brother, you are dodging my simple question. Everything you wrote here did not answer my question. I am not interested or obsessed with whatever you are doing in your church.

I don't like plenty words used to decieve and confuse people. Give me straight and simple answers. Our focus is on Matthew 23:23 where you said Jesus supported tithe and that you are doing what jesus said.. Jesus called them hypocrites who chose some and abandoned the others. We still have a lot hypocrites today.

Matthew 23:23 (KJV)
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.


So do you give tithe (of mint, anise, and cummin) that Jesus mentioned and supported? Or you just picked the word "tithe" and money from nowhere, and then threw away every other thing Jesus said?

Simple answer please.
If you fail, then we can use a yes or no answer incase you no longer understand the english I am writing.

jesusjnr2020:
He just mentioned what they tithed, hence if it was money they tithed instead, he would still mention it, so that's beside the point.

The point is that Jesus wasn't against tithing as proven by His Own Words.

So the tithe (of mint, anise, and cummin) that Jesus mentioned and supported, are you tithing them?

Or you have chosen money which he never mentioned as the one to follow. Let's see if you actually are following him or acting in hypocrisy. What they are giving is a commandment for everyone to give, so you cannot exonerate yourself.

jesusjnr2020:
You should know I follow Jesus teachings and here's what Jesus said about tithes which informs my thoughts:

Matthew 23:23 (KJV)

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

There are too much churches already but the truth is still in short supply, so I doubt I will ever open one myself, but focus more on getting the truth into the ones that there are, as your idol-worshipping Catholic church which is the real reason you're angry with me.

If you are really out to do what Jesus said, you should give or preach tithe of mint, anise, and cummin not money. These herbs are his exact words not money. Anyone putting money here has added his own man-made way of thinking or doctrine.

Afonjah:
So why do you go against God's word by telling your members to worship you?

Apart from worshipping idols, I know that Catholics lie a lot. The father of liers is always using them as he pleases.

Now you must show me where I told my members to worship me. After you also show me where you saw my member abi members. Don't go and start talking too much. Just show me, then I will show you how great you people lie about almost everything.

Afonjah:
I'm not a pastorpreneur like you scamming people with biased scriptural jargons.

You called out one set of idolators but protected the other set of idolators because they worship your lot.

All of you are idol worshippers. Since you don't know the meaning both of you who lick cement as your god and those who lick leather shoes. Let me repeat it again. All of you are idol worshippers.

I hope you don't repeat the comments again out of frustration?

God is a spirit and true worshippers worship him in spirit and truth.

Afonjah:
What about worshipping your fellow man?
Is it allowed in the Bible?

I have shown you before that you worship only God who is a spirit. You don't worship any man.

Let me add this to it

‭Matthew 4:10 HCSB‬
[10] Then Jesus told him, “Go away, Satan! For it is written: Worship the Lord your God, and serve only Him.”

Worship and serve only him. This is the word of our Lord Jesus Christ. Follow and obey it.

Afonjah:
Pastor wey dey fear.

How many years did you lick your fellow man's feet before he ordained gave you permission to start scamming with the Bible?

Quote scripture o.

I didn't start today on nairaland. I have always known that those who have nothing to offer and no knowledge of the word of God always resort to insults when they have been defeated. That's the only thing they know how to do.

Afonjah:
You are the pastor here.
Provide the scriptures that support your arrogant Daddy GOs up there.

So you have been busy licking cement and you don't know anything in the bible?

It is not a suprise to me because no catholic has ever counter these two scriptures.

Exodus 20:4-5
“You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me,

Acts 17:29-30
“Therefore since we are God’s offspring, we should not think that the divine being is like gold or silver or stone—an image made by human design and skill. 30 In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent.

After meditating on these scriptures, you will know for sure that you are worshipping idol and disobedient to God.

Afonjah:
You dey fear.
Fake pastor with weak annointing.

Fear what or who?

Don't you see where I said that if they lick cement like you, that all of you are idol worshippers or maybe I have destroyed your hiding place and you don't have anywhere to hide anymore. Back your pictures up with scriptures and stop laughing upandan. We will be happy if you do.

Afonjah:
So why is your thread highlighting one set of idol worshippers but protecting the other set of idol worshippers?

The op focused on the stones and silver God mentioned in the scripture. You can bring scriptures to support the picture you are posting. You are busy posting pictures and cannot provide a single scripture to backup your post.

Afonjah:

So Adeboye & Oyedepo are not preaching God's word.
Thanks for clarifying.

Focus on the scriptures I quoted and stop hiding under Adeboye or Oyedpo. These men are not the scriptures I quoted. If they lick cement like you,they are worshipping idol. There is no hiding place for idol worshippers.

Afonjah:
So I want you to include pastor worship in your thread and stop being biased because you benefit from it yourself.


And to answer your question, if I'm presented with 2 bags of cement or my fellow man to worship, I will choose the 2 bags of cement any day, any time, twice on Sunday.

If you like choose 200 bags of cement and if they like let them choose 100 men, both of you are idol worshippers.

So you think I come here to look at humans faces or defend any church when the commandment of God is at stake? Hear me loud and clear, both the pope, Bishops, the rev fathers, Pastors and members who do these things are idol worshippers.

Afonjah:
What about God in the form of man??
Care to show us the scriptures on that?

‭John 4:23-24 HCSB‬
23 But an hour is coming, and is now here, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth. Yes, the Father wants such people to worship Him. [24] God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”

The Father and the God of our Lord Jesus Chris (Eph 1:17) is not a man. He is a spirit. True worshippers worship him in spirit and truth while Idol worshippers are busy licking stones and bowing to the idol they made with their hands.
This is what Jesus Christ told you unless you are also disobedient to him.

Afonjah:
The day I'm caught licking my fellow man's feet, may my life end. I'd rather lick a bag of cement 1000%.

You that is licking cement and the ones licking leather who think that God is like the object they lick, both of you are idol worshippers.

Exodus 20:4-5
“You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me,

Acts 17:29-30
“Therefore since we are God’s offspring, we should not think that the divine being is like gold or silver or stone—an image made by human design and skill. 30 In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent.

With the scriptures above, if your church still permit you to think of God as someone that can be made in the form of stone that you bow to, and use as a means of reaching God, you are an idol worshipper.