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Ken4Christ:
So, who is Jesus? God or man or both. You emphasized so much on God the Father being greater than Jesus. You are very correct but it doesn’t stop Jesus from being equal to God in essence and nature.

The fact that you have a boss you report to doesn’t make you less human. Jesus is subject to his Father doesn’t make him a lesser God in nature. The scripture says that the fullness of God dwells in Jesus. Not 99.9%.

So, please is Jesus God or man or both?

Jesus Christ is the Son of God. In other words, he belongs to God(The Father). Jesus Christ is a God. He was made flesh as a man. Now he is no longer a man with flesh but a spirit.

See. If you have a world company boss that you report to and he is greater than you. You are subject to him. You obey him and his commands. He is the one that elevated you to a higher position in the world company. My brother, you are not equal to this your boss. You are not less a human, no problem. But if he sacks you, you will carry your humanity and remain jobless in the world. This is how to do your analogy


Colossians 2:9 NLT
[9] For in Christ lives all the fullness of God in a human body.

Fullness of God's nature.

Please which God is this place talking about, that his nature is in Christ?

Chibuezem:
the scriptures you quoted are correct.
Now answer my question.

I don't like people who are deceitful. They are the ones that spread and believe in false doctrines. We have not even started and you are already acting deceitfully. I can't be fooled.

I never asked you if the scriptures I posted were correct. See the screenshots of how you started.


1. Did God the Father reveal anything different and opposite of the scriptures I posted to you?



Tell me if God the Father revealed anything opposite to you, simple.
I have emboldened the question incase you are not seeing it well.
If you can't understand simple questions, how then do you think you can understand what is written in the bible?

I caught Gabrielshow24 where he lied about what I posted, now you have started acting dishonestly. I don't discuss with dishonest people because they only tell lies and dodge questions.

Chibuezem:
1)I didn't meditate or ask God concerning your post as He taught me through the scriptures concerning Trinity.
2) I believe in the words of Jesus Christ and the prophecy he confirmed as a servant of God.


My question to you is if God were to speak to you or teach you that trinity is true will you accept it?

Bro you didn't answer my question 1. I said "the scriptures I posted" NOT "my post."

1. Did God the Father reveal anything different and opposite of the scriptures I posted to you?

Answer correctly and then ask your own. I will be gathering your answers with love. I love questions and answers. That's my signature cos that's how truth are revealed.


armchairscholar I will reply you later because I have low battery now. Last night when I tried to post, nairaland was telling me to try again later.

Steep:
Before you start an argument you should at least do well to define or explain important terms before anything.
In all of these your write ups, you did not even explain what the trinity actually mean.
What is the trinity According to Christian theology. Present an accurate definition of it.

Does the scriptures I presented look like an argument? Do you think Christ want to argue with you on the things he confirmed by himself?

Whatever you define and call Christian theology which is against the words of Christ Jesus is from ANTICHRIST.

I am not the one to define your trinity for you. MaxInDHouse has already defined trinity for you with Egyptian idol. He even added pictures for you. You are free to be using it while we wait for it to appear in the bible.

1 Peter 3:15
[15] but honor the Messiah as Lord in your hearts. Always be ready to give a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you.


Here they are, not ready to defend what they believe in. But are begging
and asking me to define their trinity for them. One Gabrielshow24 was also begging me to define God for him before he probably tell me, "Have you seen? From your definition you can see that Christ is wrong in all the scriptures you posted."

I started by making it clear that your belief is hanging on the mercy of false interpretation not on the word of God.

They all err not knowing the scripture.

MaxInDHouse:
Who was Jesus praying to? Matthew 11:25

Why was he crying with tears in prayer? Hebrews 5:7 compare to Luke 22:44; 23:46

Why does the father's will differ to Jesus' will? Luke 22:42

How come Jesus didn't know something that only the father knows? Matthew 24:36

You may wish to do some gymnastics on the matter but it's clear that there is someone greater than Jesus so Jesus can't be the Almighty! 1Corinthans 15:27-28

That guy doesn't have anything to offer. From the way he presented what he said, he sounds like, I don't care about whatever the word of God says.

They have rejected the words of Jesus Christ they think they are defending. Christ will tell those who rejected him and his words to depart from him. He will call them lawbreakers. Matthew 7:21-23.


Please all these people that I tagged, you know most of them, are they no longer on nairaland or are they still looking for what to say?

FxMasterz:
This is really beautiful of you! You have behaved like a true Christian. A true child of God. This is what makes the difference between us and unbelievers. I can say it anywhere that no Atheist, Muslim or JW can ever humble himself and sincerely apologize as you have now done. I have done exactly like this, many times on this platform even to those who were my aggressors. Yesterday I have apologized to an atheist who was always insulting me on every thread.

It takes the indwelling Presence of the Spirit of God for anyone to exude such virtue. I'm glad to see this brighter side of you, and I believe that you have set a godly standard as a Christian right now on Nairaland. This is commendable and worthy of emulation. Only the Holy Spirit can do this in a man. I have had many issues with many unbelievers on this platform on the matters of faith. The very aggressors are the ones who'll be demanding apology. They'll step on your toes and still ask you to say sorry. What you've done is exactly what Christ taught us, and that's what God expects of us. I believe we have both learnt one or two things from our interactions together. At least, God has used our initial disagreements to show forth His Glory. Blessed be the name of the Lord.

You want to help me deal with the JWs? Hahaha, once they begin, na only go dem hear o, dem no dey hear come. Thanks for the offer but I wouldn't want you to be dragged into such things as that. Shimei cursed David on the day that Absalom chased him out of Israel. David was asked to retaliate but he responded with Devine Wisdom:

2 Samuel 16:7-12

"And thus said Shimei when he cursed, Come out, come out, thou bloody man, and thou man of Belial: The Lord hath returned upon thee all the blood of the house of Saul, in whose stead thou hast reigned; and the Lord hath delivered the kingdom into the hand of Absalom thy son: and, behold, thou art taken in thy mischief, because thou art a bloody man. Then said Abishai the son of Zeruiah unto the king, Why should this dead dog curse my lord the king? let me go over, I pray thee, and take off his head. And the king said, What have I to do with you, ye sons of Zeruiah? so let him curse, because the Lord hath said unto him, Curse David. Who shall then say, Wherefore hast thou done so? And David said to Abishai, and to all his servants, Behold, my son, which came forth of my bowels, seeketh my life: how much more now may this Benjamite do it? let him alone, and let him curse; for the Lord hath bidden him. It may be that the Lord will look on mine affliction, and that the Lord will requite me good for his cursing this day."

In the end, Shimei came back to bow before David. This is because "The evil bows before the good, And the wicked at the gates of the righteous . Proverbs 14:19. It's just a matter of time.

I really enjoy their abuses and insults. Sometimes when they do, I rejoice. There are times I have responded with the following Scripture:

'If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified." 1Peter 4:14.

The more they curse and abuse, and insult me, the more the glory of God increases upon my life. They think they're reproaching me but to me, it's a blessing. God will certainly "requite me good for their insults."

Thanks again my brother for the offer. God bless you richly in Jesus name.

See my certificate here. The same certificate that was given to the Disciples.

Matthew 28:19-20 NIV
[19] Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, [20] and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”


Christ has already certified those he called. Man-made certificate are useless before God.

Chibuezem:
gone are the days i delve into topics like this but I want to simply ask, is this what God the Father revealed to you?

No. They are all that God the Father and Jesus Christ revealed in the bible which was inspired by the Holy spirit.

So let me ask you.

1. Did God the Father reveal anything different and opposite of the scriptures I posted to you?

2. Do you believe the words of Jesus Christ and the prophecy he confirmed as a servant of God in my post?

Please answer my questions as I have answered your own without dodging anything.

Gabrielshow24:
I am not moved by self boast. I asked a simple question, one you can't provide. Probably out of fear.

If you want a discussion, provide your own definition of God, let's start from there. We will go through all your "evidence". We will consult the Greek and hebrew version if need be. You might be slayer of liars but you can't slay the truth 😂😂😂!

Bro I don't want a discussion. My work is to destroy the falsehood called trinity. I didn't ask anybody for help or discussion when I was doing it because I don't negotiate with lies. I slayed it to pieces with the word of God and without mercy.

It's like I have used all the scriptures they use to deceive you people and returned it to where it belongs. You no longer have any scripture you can use to defend trinity.

Shebi you didn't know I am Boomark the destroyer that time you said I will fail like others?

Now you are begging me for a man-made discussion. I no gree. My foundation is on the word of God not on lies told by human beings which originated from the antichrist. Use your bible and do the discussion let's see.

MaxInDHouse:
Call the body overseeing the affairs of your religion anything you which nobody is forcing it on you!

They are using idea to derail the topic. Don't mind them. It is frustration because they don't know what to say again.

Gabrielshow24:
No need to stress yourself, the very verses he submitted as evidence can be used against his arguments! He is already following in the fruit.less toil of Arian!

Wow, quote the right verses let's see.

Brace yourself like a man. My questions are always hot like fire.

Gabrielshow24:
You are quite wrong Boomark👀. Let's start from here: what is your definition of God? Let's see how reasonable you are.

Aww! oya get your bible and start telling us the right things that are against the words of Jesus Christ In my post. Use your own definition of God to do that. I have quoted more than 15 to 20 scriptures for you people. But you don't have any.

I told a woman who proudly told me that she has been in catholic charismatic since I was a little boy. I didn't get angry but I was waiting to slay her to pieces. She didn't know I am Boomark the slayer of liars.

After she failed to answer my question on Idol worship, she told me to ask God for direction. I told her to use the direction that has been given to her and answer my question. Out of frustration, she told me to go and ask my ancestors and leave her alone.

So my brother, use your definition and prove to us that you have not been believing a lie from those who have rejected Christ's word. I have done a great work by providing these truth. Do yours let's see.

WeirdAlien:
First as a man, you're body, soul and spirit.
If you've ever looked at the corpse of a loved one - that lifeless body is still the person in your eyes.
Your embodiment of thoughts, memories, emotions, trauma, knowledge, etc. is your soul. If there's a way to transfer these into a robot, it will behave like you.
Now your spirit is the real you - your actual person, the entity "being" in human being. The life force that drives your body and soul.

When the Bible says God made man in His image. It is the full complete image - 3 in 1.

If you can understand this, you'll understand Trinity.

Okay let me help you and my analysis will be backed with scripture.

1 Corinthians 8:6 HCSB
[6] yet for us there is one God, the Father. All things are from Him, and we exist for Him. And there is one Lord, Jesus Christ. All things are through Him, and we exist through Him.


God is one and he is the Father. One person who has eyes, legs mouth, hands, etc. and has the power to create anything. From his mouth he speaks and whatever he says is his word (word of God because it belongs to God). Jesus (word of God) belongs to God. Things were created through this word which God speaks. His word was later made flesh.

1 Corinthians 3:23 HCSB
[23] and you belong to Christ, and Christ belongs to God.

God has been speaking and his word has been with him from the beginning, John 1:1. His word is not him from hair to toe but just what he says. That's why verse 18 said no one has seen God at anytime after his word which was made flesh has been seen by many. God's word was called God because of the authority the Father who owns him gave to him.

Angels have been seeing God's face in heaven.

Matthew 18:10 HCSB
[10] “See that you don’t look down on one of these little ones, because I tell you that in heaven their angels continually view the face of My Father in heaven.

But they (angels) only started seeing Jesus when the word of God was made flesh.

1 Timothy 3:16 HCSB
[16] And most certainly, the mystery of godliness is great: He was manifested in the flesh, vindicated in the Spirit, seen by angels, preached among the nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory.

Just like our power is in our hands. The spirit of God is his power. It belongs to God. Everything comes from God.

Luke 1:35 HCSB
[35] The angel replied to her: “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. Therefore, the holy One to be born will be called the Son of God.

Acts 1:8 HCSB
[8] But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come on you, and you will be My witnesses in Jerusalem, in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.”

God has the power to also make his eyes to become flesh. So no one should say his eyes is God himself. The same thing goes with his word.

All these things have backup while the one you were describing for me is suffering from kwashiorkor of lies.

MaxInDHouse:
Before i say a word let anyone quote the word "TRINITY" in God's word!

I believe they are still confused on how to start and never look like antichrist. They have rejected everything that Christ.

2 Thessalonians 2:11-12 HCSB
[11] For this reason God sends them a strong delusion so that they will believe what is false, [12] so that all will be condemned — those who did not believe the truth but enjoyed unrighteousness.

They have become deluded and are still making efforts to prove themselves right against God's word and words from Christ himself.

The next thing you will see from them is insults. That's how the antichrist works.

WeirdAlien:
First as a man, you're body, soul and spirit.
If you've ever looked at the corpse of a loved one - that lifeless body is still the person in your eyes.
Your embodiment of thoughts, memories, emotions, trauma, knowledge, etc. is your soul. If there's a way to transfer these into a robot, it will behave like you.
Now your spirit is the real you - your actual person, the entity "being" in human being. The life force that drives your body and soul.

When the Bible says God made man in His image. It is the full complete image - 3 in 1.

If you can understand this, you'll understand Trinity.

Hello bro are you a Christian? Or Hindu or Occultic somebody? If you can't quote a single scripture from Christ who you claim you are serving against what I have written, then know that you are not serving Christ but antichrist.

We are not interested in the definition antichrist have used to deceive you and millions of people. Show working from the scripture.

WeirdAlien:
Misunderstanding!
Trinity doesn't mean there are three Gods in one, or one God divided into 3. No.
Trinity is one God manifesting in three personalities.

Please nobody is interested in whatever any human being has chosen to define for themselves.

Pick up your bible and argue with Jesus Christ lets see how far you can go again the Lord's word.

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Gabrielshow24:
Many have tried and they have failed miserably! Arian was surely more knowledgeable than you, we definitely knew his end! 👀

I don't fail in what I do. Go and see where trinitarians have fail.

https://www.nairaland.com/8473507/one-god-father-trinity-false#136084557

Sand2022:
Jesus, called Angel of the Lord in the OT still bear that name Jehovah. (See Zech 3:2)

Please go to my new topic and learn. I don't why you people enjoy lying.

There is no where Jesus or any angel was called Jehovah In Zechariah 3:2.

THE FATHER IS ONE AND THE ONLY TRUE GOD. TRINITY IS A FALSE DOCTRINE

Trinity doctrine is formed based on capital letter G and small letter g in the word God/god. It is hanging at the mercy of wrong and right interpreters. It is not based on what God said about himself, or what Christ said about God and himself, or on what the apostles said and know about God and Christ Jesus. Let us see what Christ said and confirmed by himself. Know that Jesus Christ is a God but not the God Almighty and not his equal. Only the antichrist will reject the words of Jesus Christ.

ONE GOD, HE IS THE FATHER

1 Corinthians 8:5-6 NIrV
[5] There may be so-called gods either in heaven or on earth. In fact, there are many “gods” and many “lords.” [6] BUT FOR US THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD. HE IS THE FATHER. All things came from him, and we live for him. AND THERE IS ONLY ONE LORD. HE IS JESUS CHRIST. All things came because of him, and we live because of him.

Deuteronomy 6:4 KJV
[4] Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:


NKJV
Act 3:13 "The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our fathers, glorified His Servant Jesus, whom you delivered up and denied in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let [Him] go.

Hebrews 1:1-2 HCSB
[1] Long ago God spoke to the fathers by the prophets at different times and in different ways. [2] In these last days, He has spoken to us by His Son. God has appointed Him heir of all things and made the universe through Him.

Jesus Christ (the word was God, John 1:1) is not the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob who raised him (Jesus) from the dead. He (Jesus) is not the God who spoke through the prophets to their fathers and now speaks to us through Jesus Christ. He (Jesus) is not the God who was able to save him (Jesus) from death.This is the God they know as God Almighty, Exodus 6:3. He alone bears the name JEHOVAH. LORD was used to replace JEHOVAH, go and verify.

Psalm 83:18 KJV
[18] That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, Art the Most High over all the earth.

THE ONLY TRUE GOD

1 Timothy 6:16 NIrV
[16] God is the only one who can’t die. He lives in light that no one can get close to. No one has seen him. No one can see him. Honor and power belong to him forever. Amen.

John 17:3 NIrV
[3] And what is eternal life? It is knowing you, The Only True God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

This is the only true God. He alone has immortality and cannot die. Nobody has seen or can see him. Jesus was seen by many people. He died, was buried, and his God raised him up. See also 1 John 5:20.

JESUS HAS A GOD. HIS GOD IS THE FATHER.

We all, including Jesus Christ have one God and that God is the Father. From Ephesians 1:1-3&17, 1 Peter 1:3, and all the first chapters of the epistles, you will see them thanking, "the God of our Lord Jesus Christ," Let see what Jesus said by himself. His sayings are true.

Hebrews 10:5-7 NIV
[5] Therefore, when Christ came into the world, he said: “Sacrifice and offering you did not desire, but a body you prepared for me; [6] with burnt offerings and sin offerings you were not pleased. [7] Then I said, ‘Here I am—it is written about me in the scroll— I have come to do your will, my God.’ ”

Psalms 40:6-8 NIV
[6] Sacrifice and offering you did not desire— but my ears you have opened— burnt offerings and sin offerings you did not require. [7] Then I said, “Here I am, I have come— it is written about me in the scroll. [8] I desire to do your will, my God; your law is within my heart.”

John 20:17 NIrV
[17] Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me. I have not yet ascended to the Father. Instead, go to those who believe in me. Tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’ ”

Jesus clearly told us that the Father is his God and our God. If you still doubt and reject his words because he was still on earth, even though he has died and was resurrected, let us go to revelation when he is in heaven.

3) Revelation 3:12 NIrV
[12] Here is what I will do for anyone who has victory over sin. I will make that person a pillar in the temple of my God. They will never leave it again. I will write the name of my God on them. I will write the name of the city of my God on them. This is the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God. I will also write my new name on them.

Who will argue or reject what Christ said by himself. Jesus in heaven, clearly telling us about his God who created and own everything and made him an heir of everything. If Jesus is God Almighty, who then is his God? We know what it means for someone to have a God he serve. Nobody can claim or say they are equal to their God or god.

John 14:28 NIrV
[28] “You heard me say, ‘I am going away. And I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad I am going to the Father. The Father is greater than I am.

Jesus said it himself, that his Father is great than him. He never told us that he is equal to God Almighty his God. Those who believe that are on their own.

JESUS IS A SERVANT OF GOD

Matthew 12:15-18 HCSB
[15] When Jesus became aware of this, He withdrew from there. Huge crowds followed Him, and He healed them all. [16] He warned them not to make Him known, [17] so that what was spoken through the prophet Isaiah might be fulfilled: [18] Here is My Servant whom I have chosen, My beloved in whom My soul delights; I will put My Spirit on Him, and He will proclaim justice to the nations...


Isaiah 42:1-4 HCSB
[1] “This is My Servant; I strengthen Him, this is My Chosen One; I delight in Him. I have put My Spirit on Him; He will bring justice to the nations. [2] He will not cry out or shout or make His voice heard in the streets. [3] He will not break a bruised reed, and He will not put out a smoldering wick; He will faithfully bring justice. [4] He will not grow weak or be discouraged until He has established justice on earth. The islands will wait for His instruction.”

Jesus in Matthew 12:15-21 confirmed what was written in Isaiah 42:1-4, that he is a servant of God Almighty. Who will disagree or reject what Jesus confirmed? A servant is not equal or greater than his master.

Acts 4:27, 30 HCSB
[27] “For, in fact, in this city both Herod and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles and the people of Israel, assembled together against Your holy Servant Jesus, whom You anointed, [30] while You stretch out Your hand for healing, signs, and wonders to be performed through the name of Your holy Servant Jesus.”

The apostles made powerful prayer to God Almighty in the name of his holy servant. Jesus reconciled us back to God so we can go to God his Father through him. He didn't tell us to throw God away. These scriptures showa that he is God's servant: Act 3:13, 26, Isaiah 53:1-12, Isaiah 49:5-6 was confirmed in Acts 13:46-47.

Jesus has the fear of God whom he serves in him, but God Almighty fears no one. The spirit of God was the one helping him. See Zechariah 3:8, Isaiah 11:1-3, Acts 13:22-23

Acts 2:36 NLT
[36] “So let everyone in Israel know for certain that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, to be both Lord and Messiah!”

If you read from verse 14, you will see that God made him every thing he is.

Jesus is subject to God and will hand over everything to God in the end. Read this carefully.

1 Corinthians 15:24, 27-28 HCSB
[24] Then comes the end, when He hands over the kingdom to God the Father, when He abolishes all rule and all authority and power.
[27] For God has put everything under His feet. But when it says “everything” is put under Him, it is obvious that He who puts everything under Him is the exception. [28] And when everything is subject to Christ, then the Son Himself will also be subject to the One who subjected everything to Him, so that God may be all in all.

JESUS IS A PROPHET

Deuteronomy 18:15, 18 HCSB
[15] “The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your own brothers. You must listen to him. [18] I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers. I will put My words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him.

See also Acts 3:22-23, 7:37.

Jesus Christ is a prophet serving God Almighty. He is a mediator between God and man.

Jesus confirmed that he says things exactly as God commands him. As the prophecy in Deuteronomy puts it, "God will command him on what to say." He will not say things by his own authority or will.

John 12:49-50 NLT
[49] I don’t speak on my own authority. The Father who sent me has commanded me what to say and how to say it. [50] And I know his commands lead to eternal life; so I say whatever the Father tells me to say.”

See John 7:16, 8:28, 14:10.

God Almighty is not a prophet but prophets are his servants who say what they hear from him. All the prophecies in Revelation was given to Jesus Christ by God to say and show what he received from God.

JESUS IS A GREAT HIGH PRIEST OF GOD FOREVER

What the high priests on earth does for God is what God has chosen and appointed Christ to do for him in heaven forever. Hebrew 5:4,5,10, 7:28. He is a priest forever, saving and interceding for those who come to God through him, Hebrew 7:24-25.

Hebrew 4:14-15, 5:1-10, 7:1-28, 9:11-14.

GOD WITH GOD. JOHN 1:1, 18.

John 1:1 Said, Jesus was God and he was with God. In the same John 1:18, it says that no one has ever seen God. This is to show that there are people in heaven who are called Gods, but they all have God, the Father, who no one has seen, as their God. 1 Timothy 6:16 didn't tell us that people have seen God and that he is Jesus Christ, who died and was resurrected. God Almighty (the Father) cannot die.

Philippians 2:6 HCSB
[6] who, existing in the form of God, did not consider equality with God as something to be used for His own advantage.

The form of the sons of the Most High in Psalm 82:6 is not the same as the form of the gods of Babylon in Isaiah 46 and not the same with those who are called gods in heaven. That they were all called gods doesn't mean they are one, equal, and the same.

Jesus is a God base on the authority given to him by the Father. As Moses was a God/god to Pharaoh. Even God is himself was called gods in 1 Samuel 4:6-8. An idol in Acts 17:23 was referred to as the unknown God, KJV, NIV, LSB, AMP, etc (few versions used god). We are looking at who is who here. Also see this heading in your bible in Isaiah 46 "Gods of Babylon" (not gods). Jesus told us the Father is the only true God. He never said he himself is the only true God. This is why those who depend on capital letter 'G' have fallen away from the truth.

KING OF KINGS

God as King of kings: 1 Tim 6:15, Dan 2:47

Jesus as King of kings: Rev 17:14, Rev 19:16.

Nebuchadnezzar as King of kings: Dan 2:37. God made Nebuchadnezzar king of kings.

These three persons are not trinity or equal just because they bear king of kings. Nebuchadnezzar being in the form of king of kings does not make him equal to God. Titles does not determine who is who.

ALPHA AND OMEGA

It was mentioned for God in Revelation 1:8, and 21:6. For Jesus in Revelation 22:13.

This title does not make Jesus equal to his God and it does not mean that Jesus Christ is the same person as God the Father. Just as Nebuchadnezzar is not the person called Jesus Christ. And there is no where it says that this is reserved for God Almighty alone. We have saviours in heaven and on earth but God almighty is the true saviour who sends all saviours to man.

Revelation 1:1 GNT
[1] This book is the record of the events that Jesus Christ revealed. God gave him this revelation in order to show to his servants what must happen very soon. Christ made these things known to his servant John by sending his angel to him,

Revelation came from God Almighty and he gave it to Jesus to show people. The God who said in the beginning, "let us make man..." is still the same God that designed the revelation of the end which was given to Jesus. God is the brain behind everything.

I AND MY FATHER ARE ONE

I and my Father are one. One what if I may ask? The bible made this clear but those who are believing a lie have continued to use this to misinterpret the word of God.

John 17:22 GNT
[22] I gave them the same glory you gave me, so that they may be one, just as you and I are one:

Just as you and I are one, let them be one. It is like saying that husband and wife became one. They are not equal because the head of the woman is the man and the head of Christ is God, 1 Corinthians 11:3.

Trinity doctrine is rooted in gross misinterpretation of the scripture and falsehood to turn people away from the only true God.

Matthew 7:21-23 HCSB
[21] “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord! ’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of My Father in heaven. [22] On that day many will say to Me, ‘Lord, Lord, didn’t we prophesy in Your name, drive out demons in Your name, and do many miracles in Your name? ’ [23] Then I will announce to them, ‘I never knew you! Depart from Me, you lawbreakers!’

From Matthew 7:21-23, you will see that Christ the holy servant of God is not interested in what you claim or think you are doing for him to please him. The only thing that pleases him is the will of God. Do the will of God the Father whom he serves else you are rejecting him and the Father who sent and commanded him to say exactly what he commands.

THE ANTICHRIST

Anyone who rejects and do not believe words from Jesus Christ have rejected him. Those who rejects him have rejected God because those words came from God and they have made God a liar, John 12:49-50. Those who rejected him are antichrist, 2 John 1:7,9, 1 John 5:10.

I am BOOMARK, the slayer of false doctrines with double edged sword 🗡️

Sand2022:
The following will help us get a gleams of Gods complex nature. Why the phrase, one essence, three persons is fitting is because of some scriptures that suggests so.

1. Matt 28

19 Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit,

Here we see singular name, but three persons.

JWs will say that the Holy Spirit is not a person. If that were true, the Holy Spirit wouldnt appear here since the Father already has been mentioned.

At Genesis we see this sungular nature, but more than one persons being repeated in some verses.

Gen 1:26

"Then God said: “Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness... "

"God" Is singular, but he says let "us", and also in " OUR" image and not imageS. Of course, we know we are made in God's image, not image of two individuals. This helps us see that there is a sense in which God is both one, and more than one at the same time. Scholars have identified that this One is in reference to his nature, while in personhood, He is three.

At Genesis 3:5 satan said that Eve will be like God if she eats the fruit. Now notice a shocking statement by God at verse 22:

"...Here the man has become like one of US in knowing good and bad... "

Did you see that? Instead of God saying the man has become like me, he rather said has becime like one of US, plural, yet the one speaking is Jehovah, singular. This is even more significant if youre a JWs, since among JWs, the knowledge is a special knowledge of determining what is moral good and bad. This is especially reserved for the Almighty who is the Universal Sovereign. Ok, now we are seeing another Sovereign. Well, is it not tre that only the Father and the Son that is called King of Kings and Lord of Lords? Obviously Universal Sovereign.

See another example at Genesis 11

7 Come! Let US go down there and confuse their language in order that they may not understand one another’s language.”

From verse 6, we see that only Jehovah is the one speaking, as if speaking to himself, but in verse 7, he says let US. Plural. Now from verse 8, we see that the one who scattered their language is still Jehovah, singular. The account didn't mention that he was speaking to anyone but himself.

Side note: I believe that the word Jehovah is probably the name of God's nature. It wasnt only used for the Father in the scriptures.

We can see that in one sense, God is one, and in another more than one. Trinity is the effort made to bring all that the sceiptures has to say about God in one name. One Nature, three persons.

There are other examples of this singular in one sense and plural in another sense in the scriptures, but I will stop here for now.


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I am coming back soon to destroy the false doctrine of trinity. Heads will roll (biko not human heads ), mouths will be silenced. And as usual, undisputable.

God said his name is Jehovah, him alone bears that name. And people knew him by his name. Psalm 83:18. Now you want to force it on his nature. You even said it wasn't used for the Father alone in the scripture. I wonder who is teaching you people these blunders and fatal lies. Which scripture? I am tired of you people. But I won't be tired. I am coming back.

God called Abraham his friend even as high as he is. God also said to mere mortal "come let us reason together." How much more to people who are with him. Maybe you will also say human beings are equal to God since he made us like himself. That's fourth people in the fournity.

Haven't you seen seen an angel speaking as if he is God, Judges 2:1-5. You will also say this angel is God. The MAN who fought with Jacob nko? This is what happens when we don't know God very well.

Let me finish my work fes.

Boomark:
Exodus 6:3 NWT
3 And I used to appear to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob as God Almighty, but with regard to my name Jehovah I did not make myself known to them.

Exodus 34:14 NWT
14 You must not bow down to another god, for Jehovah is known for requiring exclusive devotion. Yes, he is a God who requires exclusive devotion.

Exodus 83:18 NWT
May people know that you, whose name is Jehovah, You alone are the Most High over all the earth.

All these scriptures align and shows that the name of God is JEHOVAH.

Now quote your own to show that the name of God is JEALOUS in all these scriptures. Quote and use the same version of the bible.

I want the world see this MightySparrow that doesn't know anything. He has resorted to insulting me because what he felt he knew has been rendered useless by me with just 3 scriptures.

I wonder if most people here are just agents of Muslim or atheist group who don't know anything and would not accept the truth. They are not here to defend the word of God but to insult those who are making effort to teach them what they don't know.

He finds it difficult to quote just 3 scriptures to defend his belief. It very shameful. I slayed the lies he has been believing all his life with just 3 scriptures.

Someone who claim that his job here is to debunk lies and hypocrisy, has now resorted to insults due to frustration after I rendered him jobless with these scriptures.

His new signature should be, "Here to insult people who frustrate me."

I am Boomark of God. The slayer of frustrated ignorant men who don't know anything.

MightySparrow:
Governing Body has replaced your brain with pap.

Mr Good and my man is good.
Are they the same thing?
You people are so dul that simple things destabilize you.

If I say Mr Good is good.
Does that replace his name as Good?

I think you are just a foolish person that demands no answer to your foolish questions.

The insult above is not the 3 scriptures I ask you to post showing that the name of God is "Jealous."

I have proven to you before that you don't know anything. Go and quote scriptures. Unless what they teach you people in your churches is how to insult people who ask to prove yourself.

MightySparrow:
I asked you to tell us one.


Your problem is spiritual arrogance.
In any place under Heaven people know there's a supreme God over all for instance.
Ọlọrun for Yoruba Ubangiji in Hausa, Chineke in Igbo and many other places. In these places no shrines are built for the only true God whose does not live among men

Besides, have you ever heard of two peoples with the names of their gods similar?
You are just conceited in delusion.

You have already committed a blunder with your one verse doctrine.

Idol worshippers of Amadioha can boast and say that their God is jealous, that their God is the Almighty God and that even pastors and rev fathers come to them for power. But non of them can ever say or call their God Jehovah. You can't hear it anywhere.

He alone whose name is Jehovah is the Most High God.

I am still waiting for you to quote your own bible. I hope you still have bible? Lets see if the bible have been reading for years is correct.

Janosky:

*2 chronicles 7:14
"My people who are called by My name".
Jehovah said so.

* 'You are my witnesses,' says Jehovah,my servant whom I have chosen." Isaiah 43:10,21.
Jehovah said so.

The question is this:
@ Matthew 12:15-18 . John 5:43 & Revelation 3:14, did Jesus Christ identify himself as Jehovah's chosen servant?
@ Isaiah 43:10,21,2 chronicles 7:14, what name did Jehovah call His chosen servant?
The answer is there @ Isaiah 43:10 & Matthew 12:15-18.
You must represent Jehovah his Father /our Father as Jesus represented his Father, John 5:43 & John 7:16.


His followers were called 'Christians',in Antioch. Acts11:26.
@ Acts 15:6-17, did Jesus followers (gentiles & Jews) identify themselves as "bearing God's name?
That name is Jehovah's WITNESSES.

Some will come here & be WAILING about Acts 1:8.
But they forget about Acts 2:42 in their Bible.

Question
1. According to 2 Chronicles 7:14, how were the Israelites called by the name of God?

I still haven't seen any scripture that says the new name is Jehovah's witness.

MightySparrow:
2. Why do you think only NWT is correct?

Quote your own let's see the one that is a correct.

MightySparrow:
Qoute the scriptures let us discuss.

Exodus 6:3 NWT
3 And I used to appear to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob as God Almighty, but with regard to my name Jehovah I did not make myself known to them.

Exodus 34:14 NWT
14 You must not bow down to another god, for Jehovah is known for requiring exclusive devotion. Yes, he is a God who requires exclusive devotion.

Exodus 83:18 NWT
May people know that you, whose name is Jehovah, You alone are the Most High over all the earth.

All these scriptures align and shows that the name of God is JEHOVAH.

Now quote your own to show that the name of God is JEALOUS in all these scriptures. Quote and use the same version of the bible.

achorladey:
He already quote Exodus 34:14 and said that is one unique name of God to him.

I have shown them in the past that just one verse is not enough to form a belief while you throw others away.

Aemmyjah:
I'm contrasting human definition today of Christian with that if Bible times

It is still left for God to decide if he will change it or not. The will of God is all that matters not the will or desire of any man.

MightySparrow:
The name of my God is found in this passage:
Exod.34.14 - For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:

Please kindly quote this your Exodus 34:14, Exodus 6:3, and Psalm 83:18 to indicate that the name of God is Jealous. Please use the same version of the bible. I would like to learn from you.