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1 Corinthians 8:4, 6 NIrV
[4] ...” We know that “there is only one God.” [5] There may be so-called gods either in heaven or on earth. In fact, there are many “gods” and many “lords.” [6] But for us there is only one God. He is the Father. All things came from him, and we live for him. And there is only one Lord. He is Jesus Christ. All things came because of him, and we live because of him.

The new link will be posted here for all. Let wait a little while.

Here is the main link
https://www.nairaland.com/8486945/bible-challenge-trinity-boomark-image123

Sand2022:
So two persons bear the one name. You agree?

No. One person.

FxMasterz:
Glad to hear from you my brother!

The attitudes you described is typical of most people on this forum but it seems FreeIgboho already offered an explanation. Please pardon him. It was due to a technical glitch. I myself didn't see your mention of yesterday until I opened your thread and saw my mention your thread.

Regarding the worship question, it is a foundation I would like to lay for the Trinity discourse. Please answer it as a way of kick-starting the Trinity discussion.

God bless you real good!

Good morning bro.
There is no problem.

On the worship matter, since it has connection to trinity, you can align with image123 and make a claim on it. We will start the trinity discussion today.

Sand2022:
Who would you think the first Yahweh referred to?

It is Yahweh. The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

Sand2022:
Quote the verse here

Zechariah 3:2 LSB
[2] And Yahweh said to Satan, “Yahweh rebuke you, Satan! Indeed, Yahweh who has chosen Jerusalem rebuke you! Is this not a brand delivered from the fire?”

Zechariah 3:2 NIV

[2] The Lord said to Satan, “The Lord rebuke you, Satan! The Lord, who has chosen Jerusalem, rebuke you! Is not this man a burning stick snatched from the fire?”

Chose any one you like.

Steep:
They are the same God but distinct persons. Having one name prove they are one in essence.

They are not the same God. They don't have one name. Jehovah is not Jesus.

Boomark:
I understand all these things and I know that Jesus is not the Father. There is no difference pronunciation if anyone is asked to pronounce "God and god."

My question is:

Is there anything wrong with writing this that, "Jesus is a God?"

Janosky

This is still pending

Dtruthspeaker:
You can say that again

If not that you and Kingsempires are afraid, I would have loved to see all the bible quotes and logical explanation you can give.

FxMasterz:
Boomark, longest time. Trust you're doing well.

I have restrained myself from unnecessary arguments of Scripture because it is very unprofitable. Most people come online with a rigid mindset
and would not be persuaded even when shown scripures that address their issues directly. I myself, at many times after being shown some other sides of a scriptures, I have had to agree with the other person that he's right while I was wrong. But, I have seen no other person do that. Most people respect themselves than they respect the word of God. They want to argue and win arguments as a thing of pride. This is not Christ like. I will not argue or debate the scriptures with you for the saje of scoring points. God forbid. It is very unprofitable. The Bible already forwarned us about debates and arguments. They only gender strife: 2 Timothy 2:23-25.

There's no genuine Christian who I'll engage you in discussions related to the Bible if you present your case as an argument where points will be scored. That's why most knowledgeabke Christians on the forum didn't honour you with a dedicated audience.

You already started on a wrong footing because we discuss scriptures for edification and not for points. If you'll change course and agree that you and I should edify ourselves by sharpening iron with iron, and thereby also edify all who read our posts, then we can have a really good time together discussing the nature of God. So, let's put all debates and arguments aside. Let's forget about points scoring, and let's "Do all things to edification." 1 Corinthians 14:26.

I believe that you already understand my position and would be very much willing to glorify God with your posts and edify the saints as well. Hence, I will like to engage you a bit, that all may learn from our posts and also be edified.

With regards to your topic, before we go any further into discussing the nature of God and His Trinity, I'll like you to know that you cannot discover God's triune nature except by divine revelation. This is not a matter that can be discovered by mere sense knowledge.

However, God's nature is revealed even in the things He created. Man, created in God's image is a trinity of some sort with a spirit, a soul and a body. Even an atom which is the basic building block of matter exists on this principle of trinity, for an atom is a trinity as well, being made up of Protons, Electrons and Neutrons. This should have a logical appeal to your intellect and should make you open up the more to a deeper study of God's nature. These things cannot be found by just reading the letters of the Word.

Now, you must be ready to take the Word of God at its face value. Not giving it your own private interpretations but taking God's Word as is.

If you're ready to do this, let's open the floor by considering these two questions directed at Boomark:

1. How many people in the entire universe do you consider worthy of receiving worship?

2. Can you kindly name the only person or persons you consider worthy of worship? Please name them if you have any.

I'll engage you further after you have provided answers to the two questions above.

God bless you n

My brother I'm good.

This discussion you want us to do now is also an argument. It is not different from everything that has been going on in this forum.


Let me show you recent example of why it is not profitable.

This guy named FreeIgboho

He asked me a question and I replied with a scriptural example here.
https://www.nairaland.com/8456831/why-jesus-definitely-god/50#136250474

I asked him a question here
https://www.nairaland.com/8456831/why-jesus-definitely-god/51#136260947

But instead of answering my question from the link above, he kept on saying something I never said.
https://www.nairaland.com/8456831/why-jesus-definitely-god/52#136262070

He called me poor guy when I told him I don't discuss with deceitful people.
https://www.nairaland.com/8456831/why-jesus-definitely-god/52#136263767

He said he correct himself and apologised if I show him where I asked the question. And I showed him here below.
https://www.nairaland.com/8456831/why-jesus-definitely-god/52#136264167

But till now I have not seen any correction nor apology. This is not what I will continue doing with people here. Some people are just here to waste people's time. They only interested in twisting what someone says so that people will feel you don't know what you are doing. And we will continue moving in circle.

He will not agree to discuss scripture with this method because he has nothing to offer except lies and talking out of point.

We are not arguing but reasoning from the scripture. The point there is for people to know that a particular claim is correct and based on the scripture. There won't be any distractions from other people posting until we finish the discussion and people will see all the bible verses supporting or countering any claims.

Concerning the worship discussion, why not do it with a Jehovah's witness? I will be by the side and learn. But if you want me to do it then you will give me time. The trinity bible discussion will be starting tomorrow.

Image123:
Nobody rejects Jesus because of Trinity or no Trinity. If there's any rejection, it's likely because of attitude and lack of clarity on your part or part of those arguing. Like i said, you have been unable to show the benefits of believing or not believing your doctrine that exceeds being saved, living as a child of God and preparing for eternity.
i liken it to being in a school and knowing the VC or lecturer's house and family. While it has its side benefits, no such knowledge and intimacy is required for the student to graduate. And it is more important to graduate as a student than to know your lecturer or VC's personal things. This is very similar. As i have stated, if you want to discuss about God on anything, create a thread, notify me, i'll see how to find time. It's up to you what you want to do with AI in the background. My faith is not built on people, events, AI and algorithms regardless of what they say.

Which other clarity do I need to give to any one? I brought a scripture and asked him to explain what he saw in that verse and he left the passage and started telling me what he referenced somewhere else. I told him what he said is not in what I gave him. He still refused to explain and decide to end my conversation with him.

My brother, this is not just trinity but what all false Good evening bro.

I went to Save the lost mission headquarter today and I was
told they have started already and in their 3rd week. Its 6 months per semester. I thought it will be in August as a sister told me but they have already started.doctrine can cause.

If knowing your VC well means will lead to your graduation, then you need to know him. If knowing God means eternal life as Christ said, then you need to know him to gain eternal life. This is the will of God. There is nothing like cutting corners.

He said it is not by calling him Lord, Lord that will take you there. Lord am preparing for eternity, Lord I want to live like a child of God, Lord I am prophesying in your name and doing signs and wonders. It will be a waste of time if you don't focus on doing the will of God. Matthew 7:21-23.

Alright tomorrow we start.

Image123:
Give me just one gain from believing or understanding that there's no trinity or there is, greater than being saved, living as a child of God and preparing for eternity. Thank you.

Let me show you how people reject Christ because of trinity. Anyone who has rejected things Christ said because of their church doctrine has no business preparing for eternity or living as a child of God they have rejected.

I asked this my friend this question. Do you believe what Christ said in those scriptures? You can see how she called what the scripture of what Jesus said anything. She only agreed with me because she doesn't have time to debate.

It is like they are loyal to someone we don't know yet and that person is not Christ. No respect for his words anymore because it doesn't suit their doctrine.

Which eternity, or salvation or living like a child of God would anyone who has rejected Christ. She still didn't answer properly after everything because their mind has been turned against Christ. It was done in a subtle way so they don't realise it.

One pastor stopped reading a passage I told him to read and explain in Revelation. He got close to what we are looking for and stopped. I told him to continue but he refused and was busy telling me to stop opposing God. I was like why are people like this. Claiming right even in wrong deed.

I have another evangelist friend who could not tell the truth about something in a single verse. After correcting him, he said he doesn't want to continue discussing with me. That he made reference to what he knew somewhere and that if I don't want to take what he said I should leave it. Just see in the last picture what an adult evangelist explained. He is not an illiterate but they can lie and twist the word of God just to hold onto their doctrine. He told me this same thing that he is more interested in righteous and holiness. When he hasn't handled the things that can make him to lie any day any time.

And many more like that.

Boomark:
You are having a wrong thought. You need to redirect your thoughts to the truth and not on man-made doctrine.

Show me at least one scripture that called God omniscient and what it means.

Please don't borrow any info from anywhere. Focus on the scripture.


How do fortune tellers know more than God? This one is not even an issue.

Jeremiah 1:5 is something like this:

Before you cook beans you know. If you want to use the beans to drink garri or fight pest, you know. Then you will send your word to that beans and tell it Your Will. Shikina. That's if you have powers.

FreeIgboho

See it here

Dishonesty everywhere even in little things

FreeIgboho:
Poor guy don vex. Please tell me exactly what you find "dishonest and deceitful" and I'll apologize and correct

I will show you. But the poor guy is no longer interested.

FreeIgboho:
So I agreed with you, God is not omniscient! Soo why do they say Jesus can't be God because he's not omniscient - because he said he didn't know when the world would end??

I don't discuss with dishonest and deceitful people. Pretending they didn't see what is required of them.

Bye

FreeIgboho:
Poor Gabriel still has freewill in the brain. My brother we've moved beyond that as no one has been able to help us. You tried with "agency of choice" but was promptly put right and have since kept quiet.
We'er now discussing why an omniscient God was NOT omniscient when it came to Paul (at least according to Boomark!)

Please don't say things I didn't say.


I told you to show me the scripture where you got omniscient from and what it means.

Dtruthspeaker:
The bold has said it all.

Yes it has.

Image123:
i can have a Bible discussion with you on a general thread, though i consider it rather pointless and weightless. There are more important things like being saved, living as a child of God and preparing for eternity, than agreeing that God is Trinity or not. Who that one help or no help? It's not a pass to anything immediately interesting, except you're so keen on the knowledge of God. Again there are many more aspects that you can know and literally survive.

Knowing God and Jesus Christ means eternal life. If people don't know them well, they will still join all these Idol worshipers and tell you it is the same God. I have heard it from them.

All the things you mentioned are good. So if we can have archives of treated matters then all the disagreement on opposing doctrines will reduce. We will all be going closer to become one. I will to be available whenever such discussions come up.


So are you ok with the rules? I don't understand what you meant by general thread. People will be allowed to say their minds on the main challenge thread after we have finished. This is to make it easy for everyone to see all the bible verses supporting our claims without any distraction.

This place will be used for general discussion until we are through.

FreeIgboho:
Didn't know God's omniscience is dependent on "IF"

Anyway you and Image123 were not included in the group post below. No one has been able to help us so far.
Maybe you can try

If there had been a bible challenge, this topic won't have gotten to over 40 pages. And still yet nobody knows the truth because everyone is posting whatever they want as the truth. It will continue like this. Even if we figure out the truth, those who have left already will only know what they know.

If we have the truth on the first 1 to 5 pages, then we direct people to it any time. All these post I post will not solve anything.

FreeIgboho:
And here I was, thinking God was omniscient. So much for that.
Even a fortune teller knows better than God. Who woulda thought.

How, though, do you reconcile with this biblical below

You are having a wrong thought. You need to redirect your thoughts to the truth and not on man-made doctrine.

Show me at least one scripture that called God omniscient and what it means.

Please don't borrow any info from anywhere. Focus on the scripture.


How do fortune tellers know more than God? This one is not even an issue.

Jeremiah 1:5 is something like this:

Before you cook beans you know. If you want to use the beans to drink garri or fight pest, you know. Then you will send your word to that beans and tell it Your Will. Shikina. That's if you have powers.

Dtruthspeaker:
Is this the first thread you raised this issue? No.
So, you are just making noise crying for a rematch.

There was no match in any of my threads. I don't write things that people oppose. On the last thread I made, no single soul dare oppose what I presented. Opposing it means that you are opposing God. You saw it and fled. No wonder you all are afraid.

Show me a single opposition. Whatever you are showing me must not be out of point because I am tired of you people.

This is the reason why I called for the challenge so that you people will stop lying and fabricating falsehood.

I thought you will ask me for evidence where you wrote out of point. So I will use you as an example of what I'm talking about.

Dtruthspeaker:
See, delu. After all the several threads that have proven you falls, you are here crying for a rematch forgetting it is always the Loser who does this.

That is why I, the Boomark of God have come to prove to you all that all your serveral threads are out of point with a single blow.

Jesus came and pronounced woe unto the Pharisees who think they are doing several things very well.

I have come to pronounce woe to your false and off point trinity doctrine.

I have also noticed how you attach lies to your comment.

1. Saying my fall has been pointed out is a lie

2. Saying that I am asking for rematch is a lie.

Oya continue. That's why trinity doctrine is a lie.

Janosky:
Jesus is in agreement with Psalms 82:6,that Jesus, God's son is a god, John 10:34-36.
Plural :sons are gods.
Jesus is the son.
For your info, John 10:33 the proper rendition is "a god".
Pls check the screenshots.

I understand all these things and I know that Jesus is not the Father. There is no difference pronunciation if anyone is asked to pronounce "God and god."

My question is:

Is there anything wrong with writing this that, "Jesus is a God?"

FreeIgboho:
In your honest opinion you reallly think almighty God did not know he'd be caught?? Even a common fortune teller will tell him: "I see you in trouble"

He knew he would be caught if he stays against his warning. He will not be caught if he obeyed his words.

Any other thing outside this is your own man-made reasoning. I prefer to use scripture to explain things.

Dtruthspeaker:
1) Do you not already have the sense to know off Point?

2) Even here you falls have already been pointed out to you and you can not answer as has been done many many times before, and you are still saying the same things that proved why you were wrong before, so this is a vanity.

1. I have but you but you people don't have that sense. Eg. Antichristian asked to see something about marriage from the bible, instead of doing that you started talking of point. That's how you people turn people to atheists with off point and lies.

2. This is another example of off point. I didn't ask anybody hwre to show me anything from their off point essays. They are all interested in forcing their off essay on me instead of taking the challenge and show working from the scripture.


You are free to take up the challenge. I will make sure you score - marks or 0 from all your claim and rebuttal. I will change your name to Dfalsespeaker with my rebuttals.

A horrifying fear has taken over all of you.

Image123:
Yeah long time, hope you've been good?
The Christian walk is mainly faith based not arguments based, so i don't see how winning an argument proves anything in Christianity. Even guilty murderers can win arguments with a good lawyer, this doesn't establish truth by any means.
Aside that, people who believe in trinity believe that God is one, and He is over all, so why should they be expected to rebut what they believe? Trinity is believed to be a mystery, don't sweat it. Cheers

It is not about winning argument. It is about revealing the truth. To end everyday argument and continued misinterpretation of the word of God.

A murderer who wrote how he murdered someone in a book which was presented in court cannot win. We are looking at a book we believe is the source of our doctrines. Now that we have so many false doctrines, we want to check if we are still holding unto what was writtenand not falsehood. Most of the doctrines are actually opposing the words of Jesus Christ. Satan is using such fake beliefs to deceive a lot of people.

Let's call it bible discussion. I have seen people who lie and twist the bible but still claims they are right. This is what I want us to clear so that people who are still growing in faith will not be deceived by such lies. We will direct them to the challenge discussion where they can get accurate explanation and scriptures concerning one God.

Trinitarians don't believe that one God is the Father alone so that's where the problem is. And they also oppose Jesus Christ in disguise.

Trinity Is not a mystery but falsehood. That's what I want to reveal to all. They use the mystery part to make them continue believing the lie.

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FreeIgboho:
Ok, let's unpack this the way it actually is. God knew or has this as part of his plan before the foundation of the world. Same God gave him his personality, circumstances, and brain. You really think if this were canceled it's NOT because God intended it to be canceled from the beginning of time?
It's amazing how simplistic we are!

No

Acts 22:17-19 NIV
[17] “When I returned to Jerusalem and was praying at the temple, I fell into a trance [18] and saw the Lord speaking to me. ‘Quick!’ he said. ‘Leave Jerusalem immediately, because the people here will not accept your testimony about me.’ [19] “ ‘Lord,’ I replied, ‘these people know that I went from one synagogue to another to imprison and beat those who believe in you.

Paul was warned but he didn't listen and was caught. In verses 21:4 he was warned. Are you saying the warnings were useless since God has already planned that he should be caught?

FreeIgboho:
I'm NOT sure you read the OP of this thread. Though a great book, the Bible is still just words in a book. Words handled and mishandled by many, many men for a long time. Jesus is alive and active in people's lives. Just as Rome couldn't stamp out Christianity, just as Arianism died out, if God were not behind Trinity it would not have survived and thrived this long, as it is something that's affects God PERSONALLY!



Here's part of the OP:

Before you dispute any of these remember:

1) You don't have the foggiest idea what God is like, nor can you imagine what he is like.

2) You don't have the foggiest idea what God's attributes are. So forget all the attributes you have in your head - they were assigned by man. You simply don't have the foggiest idea what God's attributes are or are not. So forget all attributes you assign to God!

3) If God is explained to you as straight forward and quite uncomplicated, you can be sure they are giving u man's version of God, NOT God as he is.

4) God exists in a dimension you can neither visualize, explain, nor comprehend.

5) So how do you know God? The ONLY way is the way it happened with Jesus. ANYONE that all those things happened with is God the Son of God. You can't know him any other way. You can't know him by logic, reasoning, or attributes. THAT IS THE ONLY WAY!!

Idol worship has been thriving before Abraham was born till date. Is God also behind it? Never. I don't reason like this. But Idol worshiper will tell you the same thing you are telling me. Their own has been existing long before Christianity started.


Trinity Is thriving on lies and the delusion cast on people. It will make them to avoid the scripture at all cost so they will continue remaining in that lie.

Just like what you people are doing now. So afraid to look into your bible for the truth.

What you posted is the op own personal human opinion. The truth is in the bible. Did you ask him where he learnt about God and his personality? Why is everyone so afraid to go back there and point it out? It is because they are all twisted lies.

Jehovah's witnesses are still standing and thriving despite all the persecutions against them. They don't believe in trinity and they will also tell you that God is behind them.

You see why that kind of reasoning will land anyone into falsehood and they will continue to remain in it.

Christians are now afraid to search their bible. They prefer to listen to men and YouTube videos.

Gabrielshow24:
The bolded are lies, in that same thread; I replied all sons of Arri-aaan!

You don't even have a problem statement 😂 and you make errors that shouldn't be found from a supposed English Major! —Errors in understanding by the way👀; I'm not that petty to count grammatical errors 👀!

You aim to disprove that Jesus isn't God yet you haven't given us an ontological and epistemological definition of God. How then can you show us that Jesus isn't God? When you don't know what makes God God? 😂

So far all what you have done is show, identity-wise, that Jesus is not the Father which is redundant as trinity already exemplifies!

Even if we indulge you as regards Jesus, what shall you say of the Spirit? Is there something that God can do that his Spirit can't 🤔? Perhaps in your inveighed world this is possible!

All that I said is true.

You needed proof and I gave it to you.

You don't know what else to do but to type long out of point essay.

You made Jesus Christ a liar.

Screenshot and proof conquers long twisted essay.

FreeIgboho:
These verses below, along with many others, provide a foundation for the Christian doctrine of the Trinity, which word while not explicitly used in the Bible, is strongly implied by the Bible's overall revelation of God.

The Godhead is described as one in essence, yet three distinct persons:
One God:
Deuteronomy 6:4 declares, "Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one." This emphasizes the singular nature of God.
Father, Son, and Holy Spirit:
The Bible refers to God the Father (John 6:27, Romans 1:7), Jesus Christ as the Son of God (John 1:1, 14, Colossians 2:9), and the Holy Spirit as God (Acts 5:3-4, 1 Corinthians 3:16).
Unity in Action:
Passages like Matthew 28:19 (the Great Commission) and 2 Corinthians 13:14 (Paul's blessing) connect the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit in a unified way, indicating their distinct yet inseparable relationship.
2. Verses affirming the deity of Christ and the Holy Spirit:
Jesus as God:
John 1:1,14 declares that the Word (Jesus) was with God and was God. Colossians 2:9 states that the fullness of deity dwells in Christ bodily.
Holy Spirit as God:
Acts 5:3-4 describes Ananias lying to the Holy Spirit and Peter stating he lied to God. 1 Corinthians 3:16 refers to believers as temples of the Holy Spirit, implying divine presence.
3. Examples of the Trinity in action:
Jesus' Baptism:
Matthew 3:16-17 depicts the Father's voice from heaven, the Holy Spirit descending like a dove, and Jesus being baptized. This event shows all three persons of the Trinity present and active.
Salvation:
1 Peter 1:2 speaks of the Trinity's work in salvation: "According to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in the sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and for sprinkling with his blood".
The Gospel of John:
John 1:1-18, for example, emphasizes the deity of Christ, the Word who was with God and was God according to Ligonier Ministries. According to Ligonier Ministries, this passage highlights that the three persons are so closely associated as to imply that all three are fully divine.
4. Verses emphasizing the unity of the Godhead:
Isaiah 44:6:
This verse declares that God is the first and the last, and there is no God besides Him.
1 Corinthians 8:6:
This verse states that for Christians there is one God, the Father, and one Lord, Jesus Christ.

These verses and many others, provide an unassailable foundation for the Christian doctrine of Trinity.
Anyone who wishes to argue further should argue with their bible.

Meanwhile JW have recently changed on things like associating with disfellowshiped former members, wearing a beard, and women wearing pants. They have now just changed on toasting also. Next will be birthdays and holidays for sure! See below.
Someone asked if they were serving a schizophrenic😆

Take up the challenge and defend trinitarians.

We want to really see those who are talking out of point. Anyone can write a very long essay that is out of point.

Everything about trinity is out of point.

Take the challenge and prove yourself.

If you guys knew all these long things you post, you shouldn't be afraid.

FreeIgboho:
You don't think that his returning from a crusade amounted to prayer? Different if he were returning from a whoré house.
I think it rather illustrates "what will be will be".

As for the Father being the only... the Bible ACTUALLY connects the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit in a unified way, indicating their distinct yet inseparable relationship.

Matthew 7:22-23 HCSB
[22] On that day many will say to Me, ‘Lord, Lord, didn’t we prophesy in Your name, drive out demons in Your name, and do many miracles in Your name? ’ [23] Then I will announce to them, ‘I never knew you! Depart from Me, you lawbreakers!’

From my experience and things done to me personally, I have seen law breakers. Those who preach, conduct services but still pervert justice. Still deceive people and more. But whenever you see them preaching you will feel they are too great in the spirit.

Here on nairaland, I see liars who twist the word of God to suit their man-made doctrine but are still preaching. At times I wonder if they really know that those who lie to defend a church or doctrine are not doing it for God.

The will of God is greater than all these things. I don't know what happened to him but I know some of them still practice wickedness even as preachers.


You can take the challenge, let's see if the bible actually connect the Father, Son, and Holy spirit in a unity way. Don't be afraid or you can nominate someone.