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Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 3:34pm On Nov 09, 2016
So you still call your God-God god
dolphinheart:
Look at your own words :
You say Jehovah means the name of God but Jehovah doesn't mean God, ha ha

Did I ever say the above? NOOOOO!
SO I BEG YOU, STOP LYING AGAINST ME!


Yes Jehovah is God , a self existent God, but Jehovah does not mean God, Jehovah is the name of God, self existent does not mean God!
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 3:29pm On Nov 09, 2016
And if we belong to Churches of the Saints-then where do you belong?
achorladey:
@Brocab, @Johnw74 You belong to churches of the saints and yet you still need clue to ascertain who am I. When topical issues are discussed always stay in line.
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 3:22pm On Nov 09, 2016
And we have studied with the Catholic's too-and most likely you don't ever study your bibles enough to understand what we face on daily bases.
achorladey:
@Brocab If you feel my last post is judgemental, it's your point of view not mine. I only want you to understand the fact, that, when issues are discussed please don't attack the personality. It's easy to say am judgemental but there is nothing bad for you aligning with those who call the JWs false JWs according to Johnw74. Concentrate your efforts in addressing the issues and proper application of the scriptures.
Finally, Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. I insist I don't need to disclose who I am. Every inch of the Bible I quoted so far I have not just strong but excellent believe in them.
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 3:08pm On Nov 09, 2016
The fact is, I can see you haven't studied the Word of God throughout-that you can't even see the differences between both bibles-the people a good people-but it is their own teachings that doesn't line up with the Word Of God-and besides the New World Translation bible had either removed most of the scriptures, or they have twisted the scriptures.
And if you are well into the Word Of God as you believe you are-than why haven't you seen the missing links from the NWT Bible.
{Hebrews 4:12} if you truly believe the word of God is a two edged sword-then why aren't you questioning your beliefs against the Antichrist bible that hides the truth away from its own people.
Johnw74 isn't actually calling the people false, he is more preferring to their teachings. And if you done any study about any other organisation, that calls themselves believers, and not believe in any truth we write what the bible says-you would know to stay away from them.
The Spirit of God gives us discernment, and with this discernment we tend to stay away from anyone who believes Jesus came down as Michael the Archangel, and you would understand the scriptures-which of the angels did God ever say, you are My Son, and again you sit here at my right side-Answer to that is None of the angels..
And again if you had studied with them-you would Know that the Word is Jesus He is God from the beginning.{John 1:1}
achorladey:
@Brocab If you feel my last post is judgemental, it's your point of view not mine. I only want you to understand the fact, that, when issues are discussed please don't attack the personality. It's easy to say am judgemental but there is nothing bad for you aligning with those who call the JWs false JWs according to Johnw74. Concentrate your efforts in addressing the issues and proper application of the scriptures.
Finally, Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. I insist I don't need to disclose who I am. Every inch of the Bible I quoted so far I have not just strong but excellent believe in them.
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab:
Didn't you hear me correctly-the creator's name appears In Modern KJV as Jehovah, 7 Times-some say 4 times in the 1611 "Iehovah".
I know you can't seem to get it through your head but God has many different names-in different languages-and you believe Jehovah is the only name that's given to God. Well you are wrong once again.
Let's look up Wikipedia and let it tell us where and how the name Jehovah came into place-but first-what you are not understanding is Jehovah's name didn't carry on through the hole bible.? {7 times only} And it really doesn't make sense-why only 7 times-why not the hole bible? And another thing Dolphinheart if Jehovah is God's name then why is Jehovah the LORD's name too?
Iehovah El, Elohim, I Am, Savour, Shepherd, Lord, and it keeps on going-He said to Moses "I Am "That I Am" in this case God can be anyone-who He pleases to be-and I still believe Jehovah sounds silly-because Jehovah was only written no-more then 7 times in the hole KJV.
And yet the Names LORD Lord and God is written throughout. The Wikipedia say's The proper name in Hebrew for God is YHWH--The consensus among scholars is that the historical vocalization of the telegrammaton at the time of the redaction of the Torah {6th century BCE} is most likely Yahweh. The historical vocalization was lost because in {Second Temple Judaism} During the 3rd and 2 Centuries BCE. the pronunciation of the telegrammaton came to be avoided being substituted with {Adonai} "My Lord" The Hebrew Vowel points of {Adonai} were added to the telegrammaton by the Masoretes and the resulting form was transliterated around the 12 century as Yahweh.
The derive forms Iehovah-Jehovah first appeared in the 16th century.
Jehovah was popularised in the English speaking world by William Tyndale, and other pioneer English protestants translations such as Geneva bible and the King James version, it is still used in some translations, such as the New World Translation and Young's literal translation. But it does not appear in most mainstream English translations, as the term Lord or LORD used instead generally indicating that the corresponding is Yahweh or YHWH.
So by this it was Man, not God who pronounce God's Name Jehovah.
Read up on your history Dolphinheart. and Haba back to you..
dolphinheart:
OH MY! So the word "jehovah is present in the bible that you use, you say it's a wrong word, yet you use that bible! habA! why use a bible that inserted a silly word ?

A beg plus tell me, what is the Hebrew word that they translitered to jehovah? how many times does that word occur in your bible?

see how your lies is unravelling!, so the word jehovah is present in your bible!
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 12:50pm On Nov 09, 2016
Yes I do expect you to disclose your details-isn't that what you are expecting me to do, by asking all the questions about how much I know about God?
Your details do become a key the to any knowledge concerning the Word of God, I would like to know who I am dealing with. Any person can copy down the scriptures-and claim they are Christians, and of course past them on to others-but the truth is, "do you" honestly believe in them?
Already you have made a judgment against me, claiming this is what I need, well you are so Wrong-I don't just need {1 Corinthians 10:4-5}
I need them all, and without the help from you, the Lord had given me all.
I can read the scriptures when I want-and I will be taught by my teacher the Lord had given me.
My teacher is the Holy Spirit, who is yours that you fill you can past judgment on another.
achorladey:
@Brocab you expect me to disclose my details to you. Please, when has my details become the key to unlocking the sacred secret of God and the key to identify Jesus as the Almighty God? @brocab you don't need it. 2 Corinthians 10:4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holdswink 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ. This is what you need @BroCab.
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 12:30am On Nov 09, 2016
Are you not Catholic? And yet you stand up against your own beliefs-for some other organisation that don't accept religion-the way you do.
Satan's final deception.
achorladey:
1 Corinthians 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints. The opposite of 'confusion' is 'order'. @brocab, Johnw74( I know you guys are in order). Arrange these words in increasing and decreasing order: Woman, christ, man, God. I am asking you this question because the same person that wrote 1 Corinthians 14:33 wrote 1 Corinthians 11:3.
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 12:27am On Nov 09, 2016
Interesting..
Innocent77:
JEHOVAH’S WITNESSES BELIEVE & TEACH
1. THAT Jesus Christ (who is Michael the
Archangel in their doctrine) is mediator for only
a small, elite, group within their ranks called the
“anointed remnant”. Others must come to this
group who control the organization and earn
their salvation by absolute obedience to it.
2. THAT all religions except their’s are of Satan,
and your Pastor or Priest is under the Devil’s
control.
3. THAT the Watchtower Society is the only
source of truth on earth today, and all churches
teach error and will be destroyed at
Armageddon.
4. THAT the cross is a pagan symbol of sex
worship, and that all buildings or persons
displaying the cross are likewise pagan.
Jehovah’s Witnesses deny that Jesus died on the
cross. However, “new light” in the Watchtower
Magazine has admitted they are not certain
about the cross, but will continue to deny it
anyway.
5. THAT no one goes to heaven but 144,000
Jehovah’s Witnesses, and your soul will be
destroyed if you refuse to join their
organization.
6. THAT the Christ child was only an “IT”, not a
“HE”. See the New World Translation, Luke
2:16,17.
7. THAT Jesus was not the Christ (or Messiah)
until age 30, even though their own bible says in
Luke 2:11, “because there was born to you
today a Savior, who is Christ the Lord.”
8. THAT after Jesus was buried in the tomb,
Jehovah dissolved his body into gasses and it
disappeared forever.
9. THAT Jesus rose invisibly in three days, so
Jehovah had to “materialize” a fake body for
him complete with fake nail prints so His
disciples would believe it was really Jesus risen.
10. THAT Armageddon and Christ’s second
coming were foretold to happen in 1874, 1914,
1925 and 1975 by this “non-prophet”
organization.
11. THAT when Christ failed to show up in 1914
The Society claimed in later years that He had
come—invisibly—of course, and all Jehovah’s
Witnesses believe this today.
12. THAT Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob etc., were
to be back on earth as perfect humans in 1925.
The Society built a palatial home for them BUT,
when the patriarchs failed to show up, the
President of the Society moved in.
13. THAT their light gets “brighter and brighter”,
allowing for the many changes and “about
faces” on their doctrines. Yesterday’s error is
today’s “truth”. Often the “light” bounces back
and forth from old to new views and back again!
Does real light return to darkness?
14. THAT the Watchtower Society and its
followers are all prophets of God today and the
Governing Body is directed by angels from God.
15. THAT salvation for Society members
consists of doing the good works of placing
Watchtower books and magazines and winning
converts.
16. THAT soon Jehovah God will become a
GRANDFATHER and Jesus will be promoted to
“EVERLASTING FATHER”!
17. THAT Jehovah God is not omnipresent, but
still Almighty. Think! How can this be?
They have NOT BEEN TOLD —By the
leadership of the Society
1. THAT when they translated their New World
Translation of the Bible they deliberately altered
almost every scripture on the Deity of Christ, to
make him only a creature.
2. THAT the Society used a translation by a
SPIRIT MEDIUM, Johannes Greber, to support
their rendering of John 1:1 with full knowledge
that his sources were DEMONIC. Greber was
exposed in the Feb. 15/56 W.T. However in 1961
they released a translation based on his occult
one then denied they knew what they were
doing on page 31 of the Apr. 1, 1983
Watchtower!
3. THAT none of their “translating committee”
knew Biblical Greek or Hebrew. No scholars at
all.
4. THAT Fred Franz, who for many years
headed the Society, perjured himself under
oath in Scotland in a court trial, by saying he
could read Hebrew, and then failing a simple
Hebrew test.
5. THAT the following encyclopedias consider
the name “JEHOVAH” to be FALSE Merits Student
Enc.; Encyclopedia Americana; The Jewish
Encyclopedia; Encyclopedia International, The
Interpreters Dictionary of the Bible; The New
Catholic Encyclopedia; The Universal Jewish
Encyclopedia, etc.
6. Jehovah’s Witness’s own “Aid” book admits
on pages 884 & 885 that “Jehovah” was first
recorded by a Catholic monk about 700 years
ago!
7. THAT the date 1874 was taught for Christ’s
invisible presence by the Society until l929. (See
their book, “Prophecy”, p. 65. sold until 1941.
Also WT. Jan 1, 1924, p. 5.)
8. THAT top executives of the Society have
admitted under oath that they forced their
members to accept false prophecies or face
disfellowshipping and be found worthy of
death.
9. THAT true salvation is FREE (Ephesians 2: 8 &
9), and consists of receiving Christ as your
Savior. (John 1:12 , John 6: 28, 29).
Christianity EtcRe: I Have Cursed God by brocab: 11:24pm On Nov 08, 2016
You aren't hearing from Him, because your heart isn't with Him.
And besides even if God was to answer your harden heart, you aren't listening. He doesn't always work the way you expect Him too-but He works.
We may hear it through somebody else, or we could be reading a book-news paper or on Television-and hear it through that.
God works in ways you don't expect Him too-only because you see life as being so complicated, and God see's life so simple.
I called and called upon his name no changes in my situation. I am running out of patience with this dumb imaginary God whom I grew up serving without getting anything in return. He is a failure and he derives joy in our pains and challenges. It shall never be well with God huh
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 11:01pm On Nov 08, 2016
So before we answer your questions tell us-who you are, {If you are from the Watchtower organisation-how long have you served, and who do you serve-Name the elders by names?} Knowing who you are. would make life a little easier for us, to explain the truth about the word of God to you.
{1 Corinthians 14:33} For God is not the author of confusion. the Lord is talking about His Saints-With your honesty-we will see if this scripture has anything to do with you..
achorladey:
1 Corinthians 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints. The opposite of 'confusion' is 'order'. @brocab, Johnw74( I know you guys are in order). Arrange these words in increasing and decreasing order: Woman, christ, man, God. I am asking you this question because the same person that wrote 1 Corinthians 14:33 wrote 1 Corinthians 11:3.
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 10:49pm On Nov 08, 2016
Am I hearing this right? Dolphinheart doesn't know who his god is?
johnw74:
false accuser, you have done multiple post on Jehovah being the name of God,
whereas the subject is the meaning of Jehovah, oh running away one

false accuser, you have said more than once that Jehovah doesn't mean God, oh lying one



the adjective "self existent" describes Jehovah,
the noun "the self existent" is Jehovah, and Jehovah is God

Jehovah means the self existent
the self existrent means God
Jehovah means God. so simple, but not for the blinded.



God has different names with different meanings, He cannot be limited in any way, certinally not by the few meanings given in a dictionary.
We are dealing here with the self existent being the meaning of Jehovah



duh, we know Jehovah means Jewish national name of God
Jehovah also means the self existent, which is what I am discussing and what you keep running away from





Ha ha, the blind as a bat one accuses of confusion
you take after your god



2Co 4:3  But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: 
2Co 4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. 

Rev_12:10  And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
Christianity EtcRe: TB Joshua Returns N500,000 Tithe To Elderly Woman by brocab: 9:03am On Nov 08, 2016
But more than you..
watchman111:
hmmmmm..I have a simple question for you..if all the law has been destroyed y den do u not fornicate.shey d law says thou shall not fornicate..u know nothing about d law..
Christianity EtcRe: TB Joshua Returns N500,000 Tithe To Elderly Woman by brocab: 9:01am On Nov 08, 2016
Read the truth in the bible-tithing doesn't exist with the Gentiles..
Only some Jews tithed, not all..
elohorayodele:
Not meant to tithe as a Christian? Pls explain
Christianity EtcRe: TB Joshua Returns N500,000 Tithe To Elderly Woman by brocab: 8:58am On Nov 08, 2016
She wasn't meant to tithe in the first place-TBJ only gave back because she gave less.
Achutebe:
Just read this inspiring story on TBJ's Facebook Page...

OUR ELDERLY, OUR PRIDE: The Touching Story Of A Widow And Her Tithe...

The case of Mrs. Caroline Orugude deserves a place in the spotlight. On that unforgettable Sunday, which will remain engraved on the hearts of the thousands of people that heard her, she gently made her way to the altar of The SCOAN. Delicately clenching a hand that was just recovering from a recent attack of stroke, the elderly woman had the air of one with important news.

She came with a simple gift and message that would speak volumes to men and women of God the world over. A retired teacher from Bayelsa in Southern Nigeria, this woman still had a thing or two to teach the “young ones”.

When she spoke, it was with carefully chosen words: “What brought me here is the urge to testify of the goodness of God in my life,” she began. Every ear zeroed in, as she narrated how she had retired from her job in June, 2012 and was forced to wait many months for her gratuity that was supposed to have been paid immediately. She said: “There was nothing much we could do except pray because the pension system is unreliable. So, I kept praying for almost two years about this.”

Mrs. Orugude requested prayers from many pastors for breakthrough, promising she would pay her tithe, but the pension remained withheld.

After she was introduced by a family member to Emmanuel TV, her mindset began to change. “I witnessed the goodness of the Lord and how the God of T.B. Joshua helps people to achieve their goals,” said Mrs. Orugude. A month before this landmark testimony, the elderly lady began to change her prayer points, aligning them with what she saw on Emmanuel TV.

When praying, she would place the documents for the gratuity on the screen of Emmanuel TV, thanking God for His mercy. Then the mighty hand of God touched her!

Within two weeks, she received a call from the treasury, asking her to go to the capital city, Abuja. “I said, ‘Wow! Is it for the gratuity?’ They said, ‘Yes’. Brethren, I knelt down. The joy in me that day, I cannot express it. I said, ‘thank You, Lord. I am going to Lagos’. I decided when I got the money, I would come here [to The SCOAN] to appreciate the Lord,” she said.

Then, while everyone including the millions of viewers across the world watched, the frail woman made a statement that stunned all: “I am here with the small sum of 500,000 naira, to give to the man of God and The SCOAN, as my tithe.” Mrs. Orugude’s declaration soon filled the Church-gone-silent with gasps of astonishment.

A mark had been made! At her age, no one would have expected her to part with such a huge amount of money, at a time when she needed it most. The action could not pass unnoticed by the Man of God, T.B. Joshua. His response to the touching gesture was equally surprising.

He said: “Yes, it is written in the Bible that we should pay tithe, but how can we collect tithe from widows and the aged who are supposed to be under our care? Remember, she has stopped working. She needs our care for the rest of her life. These are the women we should be feeding and taking care of. She is our mother; she is my mother too.”

The man of God then announced that instead of receiving Mrs. Orugude’s tithe, he would support her with an additional 500,000 naira, as a gift to take care of her.

Explaining why he took such a unique stance, T.B. Joshua spoke about the marks of a genuine servant of God: “When God calls a man or woman, what they will eat, what they will use and everything they need for their journey will be provided abundantly by God, because God wants honour and respect for His anointed ones,” he said.

“When a minister begins to depend on tithes, you know he is not a minister of God. It is written that offerings and tithes are very important to the house of God, but a minister of God who is called by God Almighty should not depend on offerings and tithes. Tithe is between you and your God.

“This is a message to ministers of God all over the world. When we collect tithes, we should know those whom we collect them from. Don’t force anybody – it is between them and God. Since the Bible says the door of blessings will open, leave them to God. It is not you that opens the door of blessing. If someone is not giving the right tithe, he will not receive anything from God, and if he is doing the right thing, he will receive from God. Let us worship the Giver of money, not money,” the Prophet said.

This example might cause you to smile but it is just part of the move Prophet T.B. Joshua has been making, along with Emmanuel TV Partners, to fulfil the divine obligation, which requires all Christians to help the elderly.

Every Sunday at The SCOAN, the elderly are allocated a section in the church where they enjoy the company and fellowship of their peers during the service. Additionally, free transportation in luxurious buses is provided to and from their homes, courtesy of T.B. Joshua and Emmanuel TV Partners. A welfare programme is also in operation, granting a monthly allowance, supplies and foodstuffs to each of the elderly in the church.

The Bible makes it very clear that it is not a crime to be old; it is the grace of God. Psalm 91:14-16 says: “Because he has set his love upon Me, therefore I will deliver him; I will set him on high, because he has known My name. He shall call upon Me, and I will answer him; I will be with him in trouble; I will deliver him and honour him. With long life I will satisfy him, and show him My salvation.”

The elderly nurtured and reared us in love, care and warmth. This is the time to reciprocate their love, care and tenderness, now that they are too old to meet their needs unaided. Any community or nation that neglects their old ones, neglects God because it is the will of God to grow old (Isaiah 46:3-4).

Where are your elderly? Care for them and you shall reach old age.

This story was taken from the first issue of Read Us, the official magazine of The SCOAN


https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=826466930807418&id=103470916440360&set=a.105659106221541.7350.103470916440360


SOURCE: TB Joshua Ministries on Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/tbjministries
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 8:46am On Nov 08, 2016
Sorry to disappoint you, But notice what Peter said you are truly the son of the living God..Meaning the Father is alive in Spirit and in truth. Emmanuel means God with us.
{Matthew 1:23}The virgin will give birth to a Son and He shall be "Called" Emmanuel..
Barristter07:
Brocab



You are not a Christian or probably you lack the knowledge as to why he and every other creature are called Son of God. If he isn't truly a son, then the Bible lied including the Father ?

not just was called , He IDENTIFIED himself " Son of God " Revelation 2:18 . was he lying ?



The apostle Peter make it clear that Jesus is the son of the Living God , and Jesus not only commend but endorse this as a scriptural truth when he said it was the Father that reveal it to Peter.





His FATHER spoke from Heaven saying " This is my Son " Matt 3:17


He is truly a Son .

Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 8:36am On Nov 08, 2016
This is where the lies pour out from you, Every scripture doesn't say Jesus is the Son of God-matter of fact Jesus said, I and the Father are One.
Barristter07:
Brocab



You are not a Christian or probably you lack the knowledge as to why he and every other creature are called Son of God. If he isn't truly a son, then the Bible lied including the Father .

not just was called , He IDENTIFIED himself " Son of God " Revelation 2:18 . was he lying ?



The apostle Peter make it clear that Jesus is the son of the Living God , and Jesus not only commend but endorse this as a scriptural truth when he said it was the Father that reveal it to Peter.





His FATHER spoke from Heaven saying " This is my Son " Matt 3:17


He is truly a Son .

Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 8:22am On Nov 08, 2016
No the bible didn't lie-it is the JW's who lie against the truth. You may see me as a lessor Christian then yourself-I already know none of you are willing to listen to any truth. The bottom line is, the truth doesn't exist in you.
And every true believer would say Amen...
Barristter07:
Brocab



You are not a Christian or probably you lack the knowledge as to why he and every other creature are called Son of God. If he isn't truly a son, then the Bible lied including the Father ?

not just was called , He IDENTIFIED himself " Son of God " Revelation 2:18 . was he lying ?



The apostle Peter make it clear that Jesus is the son of the Living God , and Jesus not only commend but endorse this as a scriptural truth when he said it was the Father that reveal it to Peter.





His FATHER spoke from Heaven saying " This is my Son " Matt 3:17


He is truly a Son .

Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab:
Jesus was "Called the Son of God" it doesn't mean He truly is. The bible describe Him as a part being of God-3 in One, I and the Father are One. It took all three to create the heavens and the Earth.
There is no-mention God even had a Son in the Old Testament.
Jesus is preferred as God in the scriptures, {John 1:1,14}
{John 20:28} Thomas said My Lord and My God.
{Titus 2:13} Wait for the coming of our God and savour Jesus Christ.
Thomas knew God who came in the flesh.
{Hebrews 1:8} The Father say's to His Son, your throne O'God is forever and ever..
Now why would the Most High call Jesus O'God-if they weren't One with each other, God saves-Jesus saves and came here to live amongst men and He became knowing to His people, He is the Son Of God.
It was the Spirit that told "John the baptised" who also was filled with the Holy Spirit, was told this is My Son in Him I Am well pleased.
Not everyone around John that day, heard the Spirit say this to John.
If they did they wouldn't try and stone Jesus when He called Himself the Son of God.
So how simple does this sound-it must be difficult, only because the Spirit of God isn't in you-for anyone else who has the Spirit of God in them, understands how simple this is.
dolphinheart:
stop lying, you said Jesus is not the son of God, and I showed you where you said it on more than one occasion!


you wish. you cant provide one single example to support your false accusations.

excuse you give when you see the truth and can't counter it!


Jesus knew who could raise him up from the dead, and he prayed fervently and vigorously to that one!
When God resurrected him, he placed him at his right hand, God did not resurrect himself nor place himself at his own right hand! God did not give himself a new name!

why are you afraid to quote and explain them!


You are so full of lies, I never said so!
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 3:15am On Nov 08, 2016
You wouldn't know what is a lie-because you don't know what is the truth.
dolphinheart:
first admit that you lied against me, I never said what you said I said!
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab:
The JW's did print the NKJV I did use for quite sometime, matter of fact I was reading the NKJV without knowing it didn't line up with the Word of God as the Old KJV does..
Only Seven times Jehovah was written in the Old Testament of the Old KJV {Genesis, Judges, and Psalms once, while it appears twice in Isaiah and Exodus} That's it, no other verses pronounces His Name. Not like your bible you have written Jehovah even in the New Testament.
"SATAN'S FINAL DECEPTION" The JW's printed the NKJV on their own pressers, by 1992 the Witnesses had produced 1,858,368 copies.
An interesting note that needs to be knowing, is that {Hebrews 9:15-20} in the NKJV lines up side by side with the New World Translation bible, lets look more into this and look at the doctrines dealing with Salvation the NWT and the NKJV both bibles line up.
The NKJV that was printed on the JW's pressers confuses people about salvation in {Hebrews 10:14} it replaces the original KJV "that are Sanctified" with "are being Sanctified"
In {1 Corinthians 1:18, and 2 Corinthians 2:15} The Words "may believe" Have been replaced "may continual to believe" in {1 John 5:13}
The Old straight and "Narrow" way of {Matthew 7:14} has become "difficult" Way in the NKJV.
The NKJV "gives no command to study Gods Word" nor does the NWT "gives no command" {2 Timothy 2:15}
KJV {Matthew 20:20} Then came to Him the Mother of Zebedee's children with Her son's, "Worshipping Him"
NKJV Came to Him "kneeling down".
A deadly translation indeed.
{Daniel 7:25} He will speak against the Most High and shall wear out the saints of the most High and think to change times and laws, and the Holy ones will be handed over to him for a time, times, and half a time..
dolphinheart:
I said it, I said you are a liar and thus will not answer the question when you respond to my post:

DID THE JW PRINT THE KING JAMES VERSION YOU ARE USING?
DOES THE KJV VERSION YOU ARE USING HAVE THE WORD JEHOVAH IN IT?
CAN YOU POST ONE OF THOSE VERSES?

you will not answer these questions cus you are a liar!


YOU JUST PROVED ME RIGHT AGAIN!
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab:
Jehovah Witnesses falsely claim the bible removed YHWH' {Tetragrammaton} From the Old Testament.
The truth is, the JW's had added the divine name in the New Testament where it is never found in the original Greek Manuscripts, and blame the bible as being corrupted from the original where the YHWH was once found.
Rather then trashing their false doctrine, they trash the Bible.
It is obvious truth that the Jehovah Witnesses spell YHWH wrong as "Jehovah" is the fact that the "J" doesn't exist in Hebrew, Greek, or Latin, further the English language did not have the letter "J" before about 1500 AD. For example the very first addition of the KJV printed in 1611 AD CONTAINED NO "j".Not even one, instead the letter "I" for Jew Jesus, Joshua, John, Joanna.
In a stunning admission, Jehovah Witnesses tell us that the reason why they continual to use "Jehovah" instead of the correct spelling "Yahweh" is too be pleasing to Man-Not God.
One of the first things that JW new converts learn from their cultic Watchtower organisation, is a lie that all bibles is corrupt because they removed the tetregrammaton from the Old Testament. This sums it up pretty well..
Most JW's are so dismally mis-informed about the matter that they have an Idea how to even find the tetregrammaton in the original in Hebrew text of the Old Testament, much less then heard the item "Tetregrammaton"
What the JW's don't know is they are the ones who are truly guilty of adding the word of God, because of the New World Translation {The JW sectarian paraphrase they call a bible} Actually adds the word "Jehovah" in the New Testament 237 times where it is never found.
So the hard cold fact is that the New World Translation adds "Jehovah" into the New Testament 237 times where there is absolutely no ancient manuscripts evidence of any kind to support it.
I think this sizes it up pretty well..
dolphinheart:
YOU COULD NOT ANSWER THE QUESTION, ALWAYS TRYING TO USE MUNDANE ISSUES TO COVER IT UP!


[b]YOU ARE A LIAR, IS THE TETRAMAGRAM THAT IS ACCEPTED AS GODS NAME, THAT IS TRANSLATED AS JEHOVAH PRESENT IN THAT VERSE OR NOT?
If you wanto to lie, lie better lie, don't fomulate falsehood that can be easily debunked . 

I asked you a question about the kjv, you could not respond. popularity does not mean truth. narrow is the way and few are the ones finding it!
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 2:08pm On Nov 07, 2016
Interesting? So Jehovah doesn't mean God either-so who is Jehovah?
This really sounds silly, if Jehovah means God to you-then you call him God god..
dolphinheart:
LIAR! nowhere have I said "Jehovah means lord"
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab:
It's more likely you have a lot to learn-Yes it is, Jehovah Iehovah [yah-ho vah} was never found in the 1611 KJV no "J" is written, Jesus is written as Iesus {Yay-shu} the Hebrew name is Yehoshua.
AS TIME WENT BY PEOPLE USED THEIR OWN SPELLING.
dolphinheart:
You have a lot to learn, Is letter J not in jesus! is jesus a wrong spelling of the name of God?
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 1:37pm On Nov 07, 2016
So if Jehovah doesn't mean God-then how is it, you all treat him as He is God? Jehovah is the most high.
dolphinheart:
STOP LYING AGAINST ME!


you have issues with grammar.
you read that Jehovah means self existent, does self existent mean God? no , go and read up on the definition of God and see why the Hebrews have different words for God and Jehovah, those words don't mean the same thing!



1. I've helped you underlined the part you cannot see, the parts which is confirmed by the scriptures.


The confusion exists only in your mind, alternating and adding to the meaning of Jehovah given to you. nowhere will you see the statement Jehovah means God", except from the mouth of people like you!.

even the KJV does not say Jehovah means God:
JEHO'VAH, n. The Scripture name of the Supreme Being.If, as is supposed, this name is from the Hebrew substantive verb, the word denotes the Permanent Being, as the primary sense of the substantive verb in all languages, is to be fixed, to stand, to remain or abide. This is a name peculiarly appropriate to the eternal Spirit, the unchangeable God, who describes himself thus, I am that I am. Ex.3.
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 1:29pm On Nov 07, 2016
And we Christians are the few, sorry has anyone seen Dolphinheart?
dolphinheart:
YOU ARE A LIAR, IS THE TETRAMAGRAM THAT IS ACCEPTED AS GODS NAME, THAT IS TRANSLATED AS JEHOVAH PRESENT IN THAT VERSE OR NOT!
If you wanto to lie, lie better lie, don't fomulate falsehood that can be easily debunked .


I asked you a question about the kjv, you could not respond. popularity does not mean truth. narrow is the way and few are the ones finding it!
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 1:27pm On Nov 07, 2016
Again Dolphinheart is talking about himself out loud-shhhhh-we can hear you..
dolphinheart:
he could think, say and understand things anyhow he wants, i already know he does not stay on topic , it's just the lies he spills and false, unproven accusations that comes out of him that I don't like and comment on.
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 1:19pm On Nov 07, 2016
It amazes me how you would deny any truth concerning your beliefs-Yes they started to print the King James in America in the early 1900's.
The JW's followed after the King James bible until around the 1950's sometime after they wrote the New World Translation bible in 1960.
Until 1950 Jehovah Witnesses genially used the Authorised King James Version of the bible, However, the use of this translation of the scriptures created great problems for Witnesses in their proselytizes efforts, this only happen because a straightforward reading of the texts clearly contradicts every major teachings of the Watchtowers society.
In 1940 Nathan Knorr, than prescient of the Watchtower society proposed that the JW's produce their own New World Translation bible, the work had began in 1947 and finished in 1960.
{Lets look at Charles Russell a man on heavy medication Drugs-that through his aggressive behaviour towards his own wife who later divorce him, she walked away, Charles was a 33 rd degree Freemason who could only twist his words against the word of God}
Another Freemason who started up His Church J. Smith one that started the Mormons-both have simpler teachings, and both tried to destroy the truth about Christ-both organisations are classed as Cults.
Think about that Dolphinheart..
dolphinheart:
DID THE JW PRINT THE KING JAMES VERSION YOU ARE USING?
DOES THE KJV VERSION YOU ARE USING HAVE THE WORD JEHOVAH IN IT?
CAN YOU POST ONE OF THOSE VERSES?

you will not answer these questions cus you are a liar!
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 1:16pm On Nov 07, 2016
Yes they started to print the King James in America in the early 1900's.
The JW's followed after the King James bible until around the 1950's sometime after they wrote the New World Translation bible in 1960.
Until 1950 Jehovah Witnesses genially used the Authorised King James Version of the bible, However, the use of this translation of the scriptures created great problems for Witnesses in their proselytizes efforts, this only happen because a straightforward reading of the texts clearly contradicts every major teachings of the Watchtowers society.
In 1940 Nathan Knorr, than prescient of the Watchtower society proposed that the JW's produce their own New World Translation bible, the work had began in 1947 and finished in 1960.
{Lets look at Charles Russell a man on heavy medication Drugs-that through his aggressive behaviour towards his own wife who later divorce him, she walked away, Charles was a 33 rd degree Freemason who could only twist his words against the word of God}
Another Freemason who started up His Church J. Smith one that started the Mormons-both have simpler teachings, and both tried to destroy the truth about Christ-both organisations are classed as Cults.
Think about that Dolphinheart..
dolphinheart:
DID THE JW PRINT THE KING JAMES VERSION YOU ARE USING?
DOES THE KJV VERSION YOU ARE USING HAVE THE WORD JEHOVAH IN IT?
CAN YOU POST ONE OF THOSE VERSES?

you will not answer these questions cus you are a liar!
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 12:14pm On Nov 07, 2016
No you keep on saying I said He isn't the Son of God-it isn't your fault that you believe otherwise-your bible shows little truth-listen we blame your organisation they are the cause of all you lost souls ready to face the condemnation of Hell.
The word of God must drive you crazy-with the verses you lay down every time you answer back, trying to turn the bible to war against itself.
Your arguments isn't an argument-you are warring against the Spirit-every scripture that had been quoted are from the same KJ's bible. Haba...
God raised up Jesus from the dead-along with His Spirit and Jesus raised Himself up, as the scriptures are written.

Like you quoted {Romans 8:11} So this argument is no longer an argument. And all the other mixer of verses, and with your so called explaining doesn't follow.
Now finely you agree God is Spirit, and it was His Holy Spirit that raised up Jesus. {Romans 8:11}
So Dolphinheart try again...
dolphinheart:
YOU ALWAYS LIKE CHANGING THE TOPIC WHEN EXPOSED

Ac 2:24 But God resurrected him by releasing him from the pangs of death, because it was not possible for him to be held fast by it.

Ro 8:11 If, now, the spirit of him who raised up Jesus from the dead dwells in you, the one who raised up Christ Jesus from the dead will also make your mortal bodies alive through his spirit that resides in you.

2Co 4:14knowing that the One who raised Jesus up will raise us up also with Jesus and will present us together with you.

Ro 1:4but who with power was declared God’s Son according to the spirit of holiness by means of resurrection from the dead—yes, Jesus Christ our Lord.


YOU LIE AGAIN, NONE OF THOSE VERSES SAY "THE SPIRIT RAISED JESUS FROM THE DEAD!



1. Your statement about romans 8: 11, is a lie, no wonder you could not quote the verse.

2.You have read the scriptures that tells you that God resurrected Jesus .
read this also :
Ac 3:26 God, after raising up his Servant, sent him to you first to bless you by turning each one of you away from your wicked deeds.”
Ac 5:30 The God of our forefathers raised up Jesus, whom you killed, hanging him on a stake.


Paul confirms who the God that resurrected Jesus is :
Ga 1:1Paul, an apostle, neither from men nor through a man, but through Jesus Christ and God the Father, who raised him up from the dead,

Eph 1:17,20 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the accurate knowledge of him.
:20 which he exercised toward Christ when he raised him up from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly places,

Peter also confirms who that God is:
[b]1Pe 1:3Praised be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, for according to his great mercy he gave us a new birth to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,


3. Everyone(except you) agrees that Jesus is not the same person as the father.
now did Jesus predict he will raise himself as you claim, thereby contradicting what the disciples said on several occasions that God, the father of Jesus resurrected Jesus ,his son?
Such a view would conflict with galatians 1:1, which ascribes the resurrection of Jesus to the Father, not to the Son.

Jesus used a similar mode of expression, at Luke 8:48, Jesus is quoted as saying to a woman: “Your faith has made you well.” Did she heal herself? No; it was power from God through Christ that healed her because she had faith. (read acts 10:38 ) Likewise, by his perfect obedience as a human, Jesus provided the moral basis for the Father to raise him from the dead, thus acknowledging Jesus as God’s Son. Because of Jesus’ faithful course of life, it could properly be said that Jesus himself was responsible for his resurrection.If Jesus has not been Faithfull to God, God would not have resurrected him!

4. The scriptures says Jesus died, Jesus was killed, he was raised from the dead.
The scripture also says God cannot die, therefore , the God that resurrected Jesus cannot be Jesus.

5. The difference between the personality that resurrected Jesus and Jesus himself is so glaring, the scriptures says that God did not only resurrect Jesus, he also directed Jesus to where he should go first and also made hIm sit at his right hand. Imagine,a God that is said cannot die, now died, now resurrected himself , now sat at the right hand of himself wow!
The scriptures does not teach such doctrines.


the scriptures have answered you, Jesus father, the one who gave life to Jesus , resurrected Jesus.


Jesus lived by the power of God, God used his power to resurrect Jesus. After resurrection, Jesus sat down at the right hand of God who resurrected him!


A dead man cannot resurrect himself, he knows nothing and is not conscious of anything when he dies!

1. haba, but you kept on saying Jesus is not the son of God!, you mouth dey change anyhow!

2.The scripture say Jesus emptied himself and took the form of man. The prophesies tell us how lowly Jesus will become. everything Jesus did, every miracle was by God's power given to him by God. He did not do anything on his own , but did the things he was told to do by the one who sent him!

3. If you had read that verse very well, you would have known how Jesus came about that authority, but you prefer reading the scriptures halfway!, therefore you do not know why jesus says he has authority to receive his life again!
that is why you could not understand the underlined below:
[b]Ac 2:23, 24This man, who was handed over by the determined will and foreknowledge of God, you fastened to a stake by the hand of lawless men, and you did away with him.
John 19:11Jesus answered him: “You would have no authority over me at all unless it had been granted to you from above. This is why the man who handed me over to you has greater sin.”
Ac 4:27, 28For truly both Herod and Pontius Pilate with men of the nations and with peoples of Israel were gathered together in this city against your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed,28 to do what your hand and counsel had determined beforehand to occur.


read the scriptures brocab and understand better, do not read one verse and leave others that give a better or more explanation of what jesus said .
Yes , jesus said he is the resurrection and the life, why? because he knows that it is only through him that Jehovah resurrects and gives life to his loyal ones , look at the verses below and understand better.
Ro 6:23For the wages sin pays is death, but the gift God gives is everlasting life by Christ Jesus our Lord.
*God gives evaluating life through one person, jesus Christ!

1Jo 2:1, 2My little children, I am writing you these things so that you may not commit a sin. And yet, if anyone does commit a sin, we have a helper with the Father, Jesus Christ, a righteous one.2And he is a propitiatory sacrifice for our sins, yet not for ours only but also for the whole world’s.
* we can't gain life if our sins are not fogIving, we can't come to the father except through the helper Jesus. In our bid to get to the father, we have a helper, Christ Jesus!

1Pe 1:3, 4 Praised be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, for according to his great mercy he gave us a new birth to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4to an incorruptible and undefiled and unfading inheritance. It is reserved in the heavens for you,
* Can you see the true source of evaluating life, if you can't, their is little I can do!, we gain life through Jesus , but life comes from the father, God almighty , the most high God.

Heb 5:9And after he had been made perfect, he BECAME RESPONSIBLE for everlasting salvation to all those obeying him,
Heb 5:10 because he has been designated by God a high priest in the manner of Mel·chizʹe·dek[/color]


no wonder Jesus could say this :
Joh 5:26For just as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted also to the Son to have life in himself.
* do you see the one who granted Jesus to have life?.
The scriptures teaches us that God sent Jesus so that those who exercise faith in Jesus will have life!, yet sou could not understand why Jesus said he is the resurrection and the life!, I tire for you o!.
I told you to read John chapter 17, you refused, see what it is causing you now! GO AND READ IT AND SEE WHO EVERYTHING BELONGS TO!


wrong understanding, Jesus and the father are not the same being!


JESUS DIED SIR!, THE SCRIPTURES SAY'S GOD CANNOT DIE. THE SCRIPTURES SAY'S THE FATHER RESURRECTED JESUS SEVERAL TIMES.
JESUS CANNOT BE THE GOD WHO RESURRECTED HIM AND SAT HIM AT HIS RIGHT HAND. IT'S LIKE SAYING JESUS RESURRECTED HIMSELF, SAT HIMSELF AT HIS OWN RIGHT HAND AND TALKED TO HIMSELF, HABA!

What one should take from Jesus statement is Christ's unshakeable confidence in the Father to resurrect Him to everlasting spirit life. Just moments before His death, Christ cried out: “Father, into Your hands I commit My spirit” ( Luke 23:46 )—showing His total trust in God the Father.

Finally I leave you with this verse, Christ knew who could resurrect him, he knew he was not the one to resurrect himself!, he knew the one who had the power to do so, wHo has promised to do so.
King James Version
Heb 5:7Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death,and was heard in that he feared;


GOD, THE FATHER, HIS FATHER, THE ALMIGHTY, THE MOST HIGH GOD , HEARD JESUS AND RESURRECTED HIM! EXALTED HIM AND PUT HIM AT HIS RIGHT SIDE!
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 2:16am On Nov 07, 2016
Why can't Jesus be Jehovah? Jehovah means Lord doesn't it, and God is the Father.
Barristter07:
brocab



they worship Jehovah whom the bible called the " MOST HIGH" . Psalm83:18


Jesus cannot be Jehovah since definitely Jesus is not the most high, any objection ?
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 2:07am On Nov 07, 2016
Try this one for size-The most obvious proof that Jehovah Witnesses spell YHWH wrong, as, "Jehovah" is the fact that the letter "J" doesn't exist in Hebrew Greek Latin, further the English language did not have the letter "J" before about 1500 AD, for example the very first edition of the KJV printed in 1611 AD Contained no "J" Not even one, instead the letter "I" is used for Jews.
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 1:41am On Nov 07, 2016
I believe you-but the problem is-the truth about Christ isn't preached at any schools any longer-only the JW's and the Muslims can quote their beliefs on innocent Children these days.
Jesus said all those who believe in Me will be persecuted, and sure enough we are, Jesus told us these times will come.
We don't hate you-I don't, but I don't believe in any of your false religion either. I am always the one to be black listed from you at all times. It is not because I am rude-its because the truth of God is inside me, and not in you.
The word Jehovah is included in the King James seven times Jehovah is in [Genesis, Judges and Psalms Once, while it appears in Isaiah and Exodus twice} But none is found in the New Testament.
You should look up on the 1611 KJ's, Jehovah doesn't exist.
And if Jehovah is the most high as you claim him to be-then why is His name only written seven times in the Old testament?
And we can't forget it was the JW's who were printing the King James in America on their pressers, changing a few names here and there.
Barristter07:
Brocab



Visit any primary or private school , even corporate organisations like Banks . in the morning before the days work, they do something called morning devotion . in most of the songs used in this devotion , many of these songs which are at times church hymns use the name " Jehovah" just to show you how baseless your arguments are . the name has been established , there is nothing haters like you can do grin grin grin



furthermore, since the name Jehovah is silly according to you . see below
psalm 83:18


" That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth." KJV

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is KJV silly for using the name ?

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Aramaic Bible in Plain English
And they shall know that your Name is Lord Jehovah; you alone are exalted in all the Earth!

American King James Version
That men may know that you, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, are the most high over all the earth.

American Standard Version
That they may know that thou alone, whose name is Jehovah, Art the Most High over all the earth.

Darby Bible Translation
That they may know that thou alone, whose name is Jehovah, art the Most High over all the earth.

English Revised Version
That they may know that thou alone, whose name is JEHOVAH, art the Most High over all the earth.

Webster's Bible Translation
That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH


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are this translations silly ?
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