As I had already told you I have explained {Psalms 110:1} It isn't my problem you had refused to read all what I have written-Look up 12-12 Oct 27, Page 119...
dolphinheart: Big time liar, look at the bolded above and look at your statements below: "The scripture directly tells us He was "Called" the Son of God, not that He is the Son of God"
Jesus was Called to be the Son of God- the scriptures never said He is the Son of God.
You could not even complete John'S statement. look at what John further said, he did not say he saw God, Joh 1:29The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and he said: “See, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!
Joh 1:34And I have seen it, and I have given witness that this one is the Son of God.”
you yourself twist your own words. Did Daniel see God literally? no. pls support your claim that Daniel saw Jesus sitting on God's throne!
They are same person?, wow! so when jehovah said "sit at my right hand" are you saying he was talking to himself?, what wunt your false doctrine bring up. one what? The disciples of Jesus are also one, and also one with Jesus and his father, just like Jesus and the father are one.
STOP LYING! Even your brother solite3 agrees that Jesus and the father are not the same person!
You keep on confusing yourself , you yourself has just implied through your lie that God is a person. You have read it, no one has seen God, yet you want me to describe who I have not seen, I tire for you O! God's name is Jehovah, his sons name is jesus!
NON OF THE SCRIPTURES YOU MENTIONED EVER SAID GOD PLACED JESUS ON HIS THRONE!, RATHER MANY VERSES SAY JESUS IS SITTING OR STANDING BESIDE GOD'S THRONE! Daniel told you his vision, are you saying Daniel lied about the vision he saw!, do you think Daniel really saw God sitting? cus I don't think Daniel saw God in real life sitting., NEITHER ARE THOSE BEAST REAL LIFE MOSTERS!
First you will have to show me where I said the bolded above, you have always been known to lay false accusations!
Joh 20:17Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’”
Note: do you notice that once again you refuse to identify the Lord Jehovah was talking to in Psalms 110:1. Do you notice that once again you refuse to adress the issues about the kjv I raised!
You know bro, there are more unsaved people in Church today, then there are out side the Churches, either in the Pentecost or the the JW's-and other organisations, the Lord had directed us to this site. And of course it is sad-watching God's creation go to waste-but we are Called to be His disciples, and with the Lords Spirit and His power, we are called to preach the word of God to the nations, and what better way is using this site that the world can see the truth about Christ-and they will know that Jesus Christ is Lord{Romans 10:9} Amen....
solite3: these organisations are satanic leading souls to hell many beautiful souls are trapped. My prayer is that God should set them free.
Bro we are in a dark world battling against forces of darkness whose main weapon is deceit.
Solite3, How are you bro? The JW's believe in the Old Testament that God and the Lord are one the same person-but they refuse the New Testament when it say's I and the Father are One? The other day I was visited by two Mormons a little differences in the JW's teachings, The Mormons believe Jesus is the archangel Micheal. So the Angel of the Lord who Moses had seen would have had to be Jesus. But the scriptures tells it like this. The story of God speaking to Moses out of the burning bush-through this remarkable event, Moses encountered God on mount Horeb, and God reveals Himself as a Angel in the burning bush{Mark 12:26} The burning bush as described in [Exodus 3, the Angel of the Lord appeared to Him in a flame of Fire} God appeared in a visible form in the burning bush, so Moses could see Him-as the Angel as He was, the Angel was sent by the Lord. Moses was face to face with the Angel in the mist of the fire of God. Angels are seen by people all over the globe, even today-The falling Angels had faces like men. In a dream I had seen a Hugh Angel-His appearance was a giant with a face of a man, He stood nearly two stories high-Satan also appeared to Jesus in the desert wanting Jesus to bow down to him{Matthew 4:1-11, and Luke 4} The Mormons and the JW's believe Moses seen God's face-the bible tells us No-one has seen God at anytime-so the face Moses had seen was of an Angel. The scriptures say it was the Angel of the Lord, Why not say the Angel of God, since both names are mentioned around the burning bush experiences? Going by the information I keep on receiving from Dolphinhearts, not actually this verse-He would think it should have said Jehovah God" sent His Angel to appear before Moses, Not the Angel of the Lord appeared to him. What puzzles me bro" How two organisations, and both founders were Freemasons-with similar teachings, they both believe in the Old Testament God and the Lord are "One God". If this is true-then our argument we have isn't really necessary, we believe it too-both in the Old Testament and the New Testament, both God and the Lord are One.
No one is disagreeing who Jesus is, either He is the Son of God-the Son of Man or the Son of David. The bible say's no-one has seen God at anytime, because God is Spirit-God is Love. {John 1:18, 1 John 4:12} Don't try and twist my words around, Daniel had seen a person sitting on the throne-God is Spirit-Jesus came down as a Man and now He sits on His throne. And Daniel seen Him sitting in the Spirit. The throne of God need not be thought of a literal throne, God the Father is incorporeal {John 4:24} Not having a psychical body, God does not literally sit, Heaven is His throne and the earth is His foot stool {Isaiah 66:1, Matthew 5:34} Jesus calls Heaven God's throne. {2 chronicles 18:18} Micaiah therefore here the word of the Lord, I see the Lord sitting on His throne.. {Psalms 11:4} The Lord is in His Holy temple, The Lords throne is in Heaven. God's throne is heaven, and the Lords throne is in His temple. Like the Mormons every time God's name is mentioned and the Lord's name is mentioned-both organisations believe they are the same person. Listening to you over time-I agree the Lord Jesus and God are One, Jesus said I and the Father are One. And yet us born again believers say they are One-you even said it yourself-the Lord and God are the same person-and then you all turn against us. I can see clearly how twisted you are, again you believe the bible is all about false conclusions. O please describe God-what does God look like, if you believe He is a person? What is God's and the Son's name {Proverbs 30:4} Explain how does the ancient of days sit on His throne, if the bible say's He is Spirit-then explain why God place Jesus on His throne if you believe God in Spirit sits? {Daniel 7:9-13, Revelation 1:14} is correct-you just don't know how to read it clearly. Do I need to say anymore, you are truly a disbeliever. You don't have the Spirit of God-please describe God-I would like to know what he looks like-since you say Daniel seen God the Father sitting on His throne? I don't need to read your anger-I need to read the truth, and your descriptions how you understand the word of God is completely False.. And yes you are like your Father-you both have your father and his fathers seeds, and if your Father's a JW, then the answer is "yes" you have become one with your father...Humans seeds make humans-animals seeds make animals.
dolphinheart: 1. did Daniel really see God? no! [b]Da 7:1In the first year of King Bel·shazʹzar of Babylon, Daniel saw a dream and visions of his head as he lay on his bed. Then he wrote down the dream; he recorded a complete account of the matters.
2. can you see how crooked your statements are, all because you wanted to come to a false conclusion, you stated that " no one has seen God at any time because he is a spirit, yet you say Daniel saw God!.
3. If I'm correct, you agree that according to Daniel, the ancient of days is God the father and the son of man is Jesus. The events as recorded by Daniel points to a fact that the father and Jesus are two different persons, one approaches the other, they are two different beings!
4. You attempt to now link Jesus with the ancient of days cus of the color of their hair baffles me (a) First the discRiptions are slightly different King James Version Da 7:9I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.
King James Version Re 1:14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;[/b]
(b) a truthfull person would have looked at who the scriptures said was talking rather than coming to his own personal conclusion based on looks or color of hair. verse 13 of rev 1 has already told you who John was describing his appearance! [b]King James Version Re 1:13And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.
YOU YOURSELF HAD CALLED THE SON OF MAN THAT DANIEL SAW APPROACHING THE ANCIENT OF DAYS AS JESUS, JOHN HAS TOLD YOU THE PERSON HE SAW WAS LIKE THE SON OF MAN, BUT YOU WANT TO USE THE COLOUR OF HAIR TO CALL HIM ANCIENT OF DAYS. My father and I have the same color of hair, it does not mean I'm my father!
5. verses 9 and 13 has shown you that ancient of days refers to God , the father, so also verse 22. God, Jehovah, the father is ancient of days.
The title " ancient of days alternates with the "supreme one(Daniel 7:18,22,25,27) To claim Jesus is ancient of days contradicts the words of Daniel and the events he recorded, let's look at it again :
Da 7:13“I kept watching in the visions of the night, and look! with the clouds of the heavens, someone like a son of man was coming; and he gained access to the Ancient of Days, and they brought him up close before that One. * the ancient of days and the son of man are two different persons. The one identified in the scriptures as ancient of days is at no time ever called son of man, neither is the son of man identified as ancient of days. * that he gained access and was brought up shows the difference , not only in their being, but also in their authority, the ancient of days is superior to the son of man and the events that followed shows such facts to be correct.
Da 7:14And to him there were given rulership, honor, and a kingdom, that the peoples, nations, and language groups should all serve him. His rulership is an everlasting rulership that will not pass away, and his kingdom will not be destroyed. * the son of man was given rulership, honor and a Kingdom by the ancient of days. Jesus had said the father promised him a Kingdom.God had told Jesus that he should sit at his right hand until he puts all his enemies under his feet. The scriptures say God exalted Jesus. combine all these and you will know that Jesus is not ancient of days, cus the ancient of days did not give himself this things, he gave Jesus, the son of man.
The scriptures below proofs , supports, fulfills, explains Daniel 7:14 [b]Ps 2:6Saying: “I myself have installed my king On Zion, my holy mountain.” Ps 110:1, 2 Jehovah declared to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand Until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.”2Jehovah will extend the scepter of your power out of Zion, saying: “Go subduing in the midst of your enemies.” Mt 28:18Jesus approached and spoke to them, saying: “All authority has been GIVEN ME in heaven and on the earth. 1Co 15:25 For he must rule as king until God has put all enemies under his feet. Eph 1:22 He also subjected all things under his feet and made him head over all things with regard to the congregation, Lu 1:32, 33This one will be great and will be called Son of the Most High, and Jehovah God will give him the throne of David his father,33and he will rule as King over the house of Jacob forever, and there will be no end to his Kingdom.”
6. If the holy ones of the supreme one is to receive the kingdom, it automatically means Jesus is not the supreme one, he has stated he will receive a kingdom and Daniel said the son of man receives a kingdom Da 7:18But the holy ones of the Supreme One will receive the kingdom, and they will possess the kingdom forever, yes, forever and ever.’ read Mt 19:28,,Re 1:6,, Re 3:21,, Re 5:9, 10
[b]Lu 22:29and I make a covenant with you, just as my Father has made a covenant with me, for a kingdom,
7. several times I've corrected you, telling you that because Jesus said he is one with the father does not mean they are one or same God, one or same person or one or same being. Jesus said the same thing about his disciples and it surely does not mean they are one person, God or being with Jesus and his father. You are given Jesus words different meanings to suit your false doctrine, you could not use the same meaning when Jesus said he and his disciples will be one. When Jesus refered to the husband and wife becoming one flesh, he did not mean they become one person, body or being! stop giving words different meanings to suite your false doctrines. despite husband and wife being one, Jesus and the father being one, the scriptures said this: [b]1Co 11:3But I want you to know that the head of every man is the Christ; in turn, the head of a woman is the man; in turn, the head of the Christ is God.
1. It is obvious you did not read acts 7:13 cus that verse did not say what you are implying!
2. your statement only further solidify the fact that Jesus is not the God that Stephen saw his glory in the vision. Stephen said : Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God Stephen saw two separate things, not one thing!
LIAR! BIG LIAR!, YOU HAVE NOT SAID WHO THE LORD THE JEHOVAH WAS TALKING TO IS!, PROVE ME WRONG AND SHOW ME WHERE YOU IDENTIFIED THE LORD THAT JEHOVAH WAS TALKING TO!
Good, this shows you that Christ is also heir to God, God's son!, God's children are brothers to Jesus, no one is Brother to God, they are all his children!. As God made Jesus his heir, so he makes all others who are his children Co heirs with Jesus!
It is good to see that you accepted and had no issues with the facts as it has been shown to you Jesus is heir to God children of God are heirs of God children of God are joint heirs with Jesus children of God are Jesus brothers God is the father of the children of God God is the father of Jesus.
God determines who his children are, not you!
you do not have the capability to determine. you claim to know who Christ is, yet you refuse to accept he is the son of God : King James Version 1Jo 4:10Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
You are calling God a liar, that he did not sent his some, that he sent someone who is not his son but claims to be his son.
because you refuse to accept that Jesus is the son of God, how can the life that such knowledge offers be for you! Joh 20:31But these have been written down so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and because of believing, you may have life by means of his name.
NOTE: Up till now , you are still behaving like a blind man to the issues presented to you about the kjV!
I see you have wormed yourself out again-still refusing to answer the truth, I was talking with Mormons in person yesterday-how close is their teachings to yours Dolphinheart-Of course both leaders J Smith, and C Russel were 33 rd degree Freemasons. . Lets start with the Ancient of Days {Daniel 7:9} Where Daniel describe's a vision of a Person sitting on the flaming throne-the Hair and clothing as white as Snow, The flaming throne is symbolic of judgement; Notice Daniel had seen a person-and yet the bible tells us no-one has seen God at anytime-because He is Spirit-Now lets us look more on this subject {Revelation 1:14-15} Wherein Christ is having snow white hair and blazing eye's. The Ancient of day's is found only found 3 times in scripture, {Daniel 5:9, 13,22} Verse 22 refers specifically to Jesus who's judgement will be at the end time events. In {Daniel 7:13} The term "ancient of day's" refers to God the Father, "and we see Him on His throne As Jesus" the Son Of Man" approaches the throne on clouds. God is a triune God, meaning 3 persons in One, and at different times "Ancient of day's refers to Jesus Christ and at other times-to God the Father. But in the Prophetic sense, it clearly refers to Jesus, the ancient of day's returning to pronounce judgement on the world {Daniel 7:22} This is why you don't understand the scriptures Dolphinheart-God the Father is One with Jesus. This gave Jesus the rights to say' I and the Father are One. In {Acts 7:13} it says He seen the glory of God-and Jesus standing at the right hand of God-He only seen the glory of God-meaning He seen a glazing light that shined upon the Son of Man "Jesus. I have already answered {Psalms 110:1} I can't wait until you start answering our questionnaires? In {Romans 8:15-19} For we did not receive the Spirit of Bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption, The Spirit bears witness with our Spirit we are Children of God, and heirs of God and joint heirs of Christ that we maybe also glorified together, for I consider of the sufferings of this present time is not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. For the earnest expectation of the creation eagerly waits for the revealing of the sons of God. Meaning Christ is our Co heir, we suffer with Him in order that we may also be gloried with Him.. Again one must be born again before you can enter into the kingdom of God..And again God it is my power to determine by the scriptures-which say's clearly who are God's Children and who is not. Dolphinheart to be saved in Christ is one thing-but in your case you were saved under the banner of your Church-meaning if you truly were saved in Christ, you would know who Christ is, but you don't.. You don't believe because you refuse to believe, instead you believe in an organisation that twist and remove scriptures. So how can you say I haven't the rights to determine-when the power of God is in all the scriptures. By their fruit you will know them..
dolphinheart: you lie a lot, show which question you asked and I refused to answer! LIAR! on the contrary, I've asked you a lot of questions on this thread , at a point they numbered over 25, but you refused to answer any of them. I don't just make accusations , I provide prove of your refusal to answer simple questions. recently I've asked you this questions twice, you refused to answer them as expected. For the benefit of doubt, I'll ask you those questions again!, the one you rambled about and the other 2 you refused to answer :
[b]"1. who is the son of man and who is the ancient of days as recorded in this verse. King James Version Da 7:13I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
2. is the son of man/ Jesus the same person as God in Stephens vision! King James Version Ac 7:55But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, King James Version Ac 7:56And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.
3. who was the Lord that Jehovah was talking to in psalms 110:1 Ps 110:1Jehovah declared to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand Until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.”
Note: it is now fully confirmed that anytime issues are raised about the kjv and facts supplied, you turn a blind eye, you act as if you did not see it but you are quick to accuse other translations without providing proof."[/b]
YOU ARE A LIAR BROCAB, YOU ALWAYS RUN FROM QUESTIONS CUS IT WILL EXPOSE YOU!
You know what the bible says and yet you do not want to believe!, you know it says all the above yet you are asking which one is it, you who claims to have the spirit in him still questions what you yourself agree that the scriptures said! JEHOVAH, THROUGH PROPHECY AND THROUGH ITS DIVINE FUFILLMENT TELLS YOU THAT JESUS IS HIS SON, HIS HEIR, HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON, BUT BECAUSE THIS DIVINE STATEMENTS CONFLICTS WITH YOUR FALSE TEACHINGS , YOU SAY JESUS IS NOT THE SON OF GOD, EVEN WHEN GOD HIMSELF SAID "THIS IS MY SON".
unfurtunatelly for you, you do not understand why Jesus said he is God's son, he said so because he is truly and really the son of God, as most doubting is realities like you came to realise and acknowledge. Those verses has been shown to you but you still refuse to see it.
You say they put their stone down, pls read verse 39.
even though I know you will not answer this question, I'll ask you anyway, what did Jesus mean when he said "Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world" pls who is the "him" that the father sanctified and sent!
Does our being children of God nullify the fact that Jesus is the son of God, NO! no wonder the scriptures say this : King James Version Ro 8:17And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. facts: Jesus is heir to God children of God are heirs of God children of God are joint heirs with Jesus children of God are Jesus brothers God is the father of the children of God God is the father of Jesus.
1. because he is also the son of man, son of David 2. because your forefathers tried to stone him when told them who he is , that he is the son of God!, A son who was identified by God to the isrealities at least three times!. JESUS ALSO IDENTIFIED GOD AS HIS FATHER! They did not believe him, and neither do you!, you do not believe that Jesus is the son of God! JESUS WILL NOT CALL HIMSELF SOMETHING HE IS NOT!
You are not to determine that, neither is their any power given to you or will be given to you to determine that!
And yet you keep refusing to quote certain scriptures, keep refusing to acknowledge them , keep refusing to answer questions that are related to certain scriptures. continue with your claims, everyone has a right to claim anything!
You haven't quite yet "noticed? You won't find the Storehouse in the back of the Church building. If you do, the food didn't come from you, nor the others-it came through a Charity organisation-But what the churches do have is a Hugh bank account... This obviously shows you haven't studied your bible enough to even understand any meanings what the tithes were used for. It also shows, you haven't studied your bible enough to understand it-obviously you are more of a listener-than a reader. It say's this-In the last day's many will be deceived..All over the world-this tithing lie has caused many problems within the body of Christ, deputes arguments, men of corrupt minds destitute of the truth, who suppose the godliness is the means of financial gain. Jesus said from such withdraw yourselves. Haven't you heard it is easier for a camel to go through an eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter into the King of God.. And God didn't take tithes from his beloved for His own greed "NO" He fed them with all His tithes..
O please explain, when in the bible it clearly shows God said bring your tithes and offerings which are Crops and Stocks into the storehouse, so my people maybe fed. Show me where does it say the Church had taken on the responsibilities of that storehouse. Show me where God Changed that storehouse into a money making business for Only One head pastor, preacher, priest to receive. One pastor One Man or Woman THEMSELVES buys and sells shocks-shares-merchandise, Mega Homes, property's, Mega Church buildings, Cars, Harley's and RV's. Show me, where in the bible it said all Jews tithed. Not even today "NONE" of the Jewish people tithe. Show me, where we Gentiles followed the same law God had given to His own Jewish people. Show me where the Gentiles became Jews? Do you read the bible, Or do you listen while others are reading it "for you? I think this will explain the lies "Don't you think?
Joagbaje: Kindly explain the lie. Money was used in the bible days as tithes and offerings
The good news is spreading faster-thanks to you-Jesus also warned us in {1 Timothy 6:3-9} Men of corrupt minds destitute of the truth who suppose that godliness is the means of Gain, From such withdraw yourselves..
Matthew 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
The word “ravening” in the verse above, is defined as “preying with rapacity.” Rapacity is “the practice of extorting or exacting by oppressive injustice.”
An interesting thought,… Jesus was warning His Apostle’s to beware of false prophets who would seem to be legit men of God, but were in reality, #extortioners.
Extortion: The obtaining of property from another, with his consent, induced by wrongful use of actual or threatened force, violence, or fear, or under color of official right.
In our pulpits today, we have preachers who seem to be legit men of God, but are in reality, extortioners.
They will stand behind their pulpits and tell you that God requires you to #tithe your monetary income. And, no doubt, many who are #ignorant as to what is actually written in the word of God, will be led astray by the pastor’s deceit.
They will yield to the monetary tithe requirement lie, dropping either a check that represents 10% of their monetary income, or they will put 10% of their monetary income in the plate in the form of cash. Still many others, will use their credit cards or debit cards to “pay” the 10% that they are told God requires them to give to the House of God.
Those who do not study to show themselves approved by God have no idea they are actually being robbed. That their money is being extorted from them by #deceivers.
In the Bible, God’s holy tithe…
a) agricultural. Leviticus 27:30-33 b) was required of the children of Israel. Leviticus 27:34 c) was not to be observed in any geographical location other than the Promised Land. Deuteronomy 6:1-3; 12:1,10-11 d) was to be given to Levites, widows, orphans and foreigners in the Promised Land. Numbers 18:24-26; Deuteronomy 14:28-29; Nehemiah 10:37-38 e) was never commanded of Gentile nations. Psalms 147:19-20 f) was not to be imposed upon saved Gentiles. Acts 15:19-28 g) was still agricultural in the last place it was seen as a command in the Bible. Hebrews 7:5-9 h) was still the property of the sons of Levi in the last place it was seen as a command in the Bible. Hebrews 7:5-9
Given these irrefutable proofs in Scripture that God’s commanded tithe was never monetary, it is even more evident that the preachers of today, those who teach that God requires monetary tithes of the Body of Christ, are indeed ravening wolves.
They are extortioners.
The monetary tithe exists because of lies from the pulpits and ignorance in the pews.
To save your argument none of us have seen you provide any answers we have given you. All you have done is tried and turn one scripture against each other. After I have asked the Lord to help me with this question This is what I had received. I know what the bible say's, and it say's Jesus is the Son Of God, it also say's He is the Son Of David, and the Son Of Man-So which one, is He? Which is it? One verse found in the Bible-Jesus claimed to be the Son Of God-by quoting Scripture to the Jews {Psalms 82:6} {John 10:33-37} Because the Jews were about to stone Him because "Jesus answered" it is written in your law, I said you are "gods" And the scripture can-not be broken, do you say of Him whom the Father sanctified and sent into world, you are blaspheming' because I said I am the Son Of God.. So the Jews put their stones down knowing, it is written in their law that they are god's. So it was not wrong for Jesus to claim He is the Son Of God-or the Son Of Man... {Galatians 3:26, 1 John 3:2, So in Christ Jesus you are all Children of God} Dolphinheart explain why Jesus preferred Himself as the Son Of Man, By prophesy He was Called the Son Of David-and in other terms He quoted scripture that's written in the Jewish law-and Called Himself the Son Of God. And please you must answer this one as well? The bible is clear that all people are God's creation {Colossians 1:16} And that God loves the entire world" {John 3:16} it's only those who are born again believers are Children of God {John 1:12, 11:52, Romans 8:16, and 1 John 3:1-10} So this leaves you out of the picture Dolphinheart.. So I am proudly known by the scriptures, becoming a Born again believer, makes me to be "A" son of God, and the son of "A" man.... Once you have answered these correctly lets continual the truth about the bible, Or maybe lets see if you will worm yourself away out from this one, once again...
dolphinheart: you are so full of lies, you don't even quote those verses talk less of explaining them, once scriptures are shown to you , you always act as if you did not see it, you refuse to explain them!
All the verses I quoted specifically and directly talk about the issue under discussion, I challenge you to provide one verse, just one verse that I quoted that does not address the issue under discuss. You lie and then you lay false accustion that you always run from when asked to prove it!
JESUS IS CALLED THE SON OF GOD CUS HE TRULY AND REALLY IS THE SON OF GOD! GOD SENT HIS SON, HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON, NOT A PERSON WHO CLAIMS TO BE OR ADOPTS A NICKNAME " SON OF GOD"
once again, though I know you will not examine it : King James Version 1Jo 4:9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him. King James Version 1Jo 4:10Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
You deny who Jesus is: King James Version Joh 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
When you want to lie, you alter the question you are being asked, CUS you know that answering that question will expose you. DiD I ask you the meaning of Psalms 110: 1? NO! I asked you who is the Lord that Jehovah was talking to in Psalms 110:1 Ps 110:1Jehovah declared to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand Until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet
you have even started on a wrong note, Yahweh is not lord in English!
abeg tell me who is that lord Jehovah or Yahweh (as you prefer to translate the tetramagram in English) is talking to
ohhhhh!, just tell who Jehovah was talking to!
YOU JUST RAMBLED AND RAMBLED AND STILL REFUSED TO TELL WHO IS THE LORD THAT JEHOVAH WAS TALKING TO WHEN DAVID RECORDED THAT VERSE!. YOU YOURSELF CAN SEE THAT YOU LIE WHEN YOU SAY YOU HAVE GOD'S SPIRIT IN YOU, SIMPLE QUESTIONS YOU CANNOT OR DELIBERATELY REFUSE TO ANSWER .
For the benefit of doubt, I'll ask you those questions again!, the one you rambled about and the other 2 you refused to answer :
1. who is the son of man and who is the ancient of days as recorded in this verse. King James Version Da 7:13I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
2. is the son of man/ Jesus the same person as God in Stephens vision! King James Version Ac 7:55But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, King James Version Ac 7:56And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.
3. who was the Lord that Jehovah was talking to in psalms 110:1 Ps 110:1Jehovah declared to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand Until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.”
Note: it is now fully confirmed that anytime issues are raised about the kjv and facts supplied, you turn a blind eye, you act as if you did not see it but you are quick to accuse other translations without providing proof.
Try and understand Dolphinheart I am not against you-I am trying to help you-It doesn't matter how many times I have explained the scriptures to you-you are still trying to turn the Word Of God against itself. You on bringing in other verses that doesn't line up with the same topic we are talking about. Your not an elder-you are just a servant of your organisation. Jesus served, He was also "Called the Son of God" Truly your heart isn't with the Lord, your heart is with your organisation. I ask for the Holy Spirit to guild me today to answer this verse correctly, and explain to Dolphinheart the meaning of {Psalms 110:1} verse equals verse. Praise the Lord... {Psalms 110:1} The clause the LORD say's to my Lord contains two different Hebrew words "lord" in the original. The first word is "Yahweh" the Hebrew covenant name for God, the second is "Adonal" meaning lord or master, so {Psalms 110:1} David writes this. "Yahweh" say's to my Adonal". Back in those day's men were called lords and masters. Lords are still being used today, It's called the house of the lords in the Queens house in England. Look it up... But I am not expecting you to accept the truth, only because you are armed up, with nothing-you don't even study enough to even try to find the Word Of God nor any truth that go's with it. "But listen to what Jesus had said, David spoke in the Spirit" this is something you can't do without having the Spirit Of God. But God did speak through a Donkey and the burning bush, and of course He spoke in the Spirit-because He is Spirit? The common title of the Messiah in Jesus's day was "Son of David" Based on the fact that the messiah would be a descendant of David who would inherit the throne and fulfil the "Davidic Covenant" {2 Samuel 7} Jesus capitalises on the Jewish use of the title "Son of David" to drive home His point In {Matthew 22} While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them, What do you think about the Messiah? Who's Son is He? The Son of David, they replied"He said to them, How is it, then that David speaking by the Spirit "Calls Him Lord"? For he say's. "The lord said to My Lord sit at My right hand until I make your enemies under your feet""If David Calls Him Lord' How can it be His Son? {Matthew 22:41-45} Instead of trying to turn the scriptures against each other, study them first and explain each of the verses before writing them down. Like the Holy Spirit had helped me do above and below. No-one can speak the ins and outs about God without the Spirit? Listen to the Words "David spoke in the Spirit" {Psalms 110:1} This is why you find it difficult to understand the Word Of God, we are reading the same bible the King James,-but the difference is, you are trying to Calculate it, work it out in your own mind, while I am listening to God in the Spirit. I see things God see's, that you can't see, it doesn't mean the Words isn't written, they are there-page upon page, verse upon verse, scripture upon scripture. Different denominations have different teachings, and without the Spirit of God inside them-then these different denominations are dead Buildings. God uses His Spirit to enlighten those who serve Him. David Prayed, teach me to do your will, for you are my God, Your Spirit is Good may it lead me into the land of righteousness {Psalms 143:10} When 70 capable men were appointed to help Moses. God said to him, "I shall have to take away some of the Spirit that is upon you and place it upon them {Numbers 11:17} And your Church haven't accepted the Word Of God fully. Even back then Moses and David received the Holy Spirit asking God into their lives-The JW's organisation have stayed on the highways 'you haven't found that Narrow road Jesus talks about.. Jesus said you need to become Born again before you can enter into the Kingdom Of God.. That's also means we are entering into the Spirit... And please explain if a blind man can see the scriptures-then what is your problem, you have eye's and you can't see them?
dolphinheart: Our ye propagator of false doctrine, I've show you what the scriptures said, you could not counter it! The scriptures says "God sent his only begotten son" , you are implying God sent himself to be called God's son! wow!. you cant be God's son if you really are not God's son! King James Version Joh 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
The writer of mark knew who Jesus is : [b]King James Version Mr 1:1The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;
God himself confirmed this to everyone: King James Version Lu 3:22And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.
Even the demons knew who Jesus is: [b]King James Version Lu 4:34Saying, Let us alone; what have we to do with thee, thou Jesus of Nazareth? art thou come to destroy us? I know thee who thou art; the Holy One of God King James Version Lu 4:41And devils also came out of many, crying out, and saying, Thou art Christ the Son of God. And he rebuking them suffered them not to speak: for they knew that he was Christ.
Even the centurion confirmed that in reality Jesus was the son of God! Mt 27:54Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.
GOD SENT HIS SON, HE DID NOT SEND SOMEONE WHO CALLED HIMSELF HIS SON! King James Version 1Jo 4:9In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
EVEN PETER CONFIRMED WHO JESUS IS King James Version Mt 16:16And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
Apart from the numerous times in which Jesus called the one in heaven his father he also confirmed his father to be his God!, confirming he is God's son, not just because he wants to be called so , but because he trully is God's son! King James Version Joh 20:17Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
King James Version Ro 8:3For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: the above verse teaches us that God dId not send someone who calls himself the son of God, God sent his own son, his only begotten son!
it was Jehovah that was talking to moses, not Jesus! col 1:16 does not state that Jesus can call himself anything he wanted to!, why are you afraid to quote those verses!
Scriptures help to explain scriptures, it is not to be used to contradict each other. examining all the scriptures that talk about God's son shows that jesus is called God's son because he REALLY AND TRULLY IS GODS SON, IT IS NOT A NICKNAME!
proof you could not provide, look at this facts :
acts 3:26 King James Bible Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.
If we look at the verse in the new king James version, the sentence has been altered, given a different sentence with different meaning!
Acts 3:26New King James Version (NKJV) 26 To you first, God, having raised up His Servant Jesus, sent Him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from your iniquities.”
"son" or "servant", a beg tell us which one is correct and which is false!.
Let's look at another verse
King James Bible Thou hast multiplied the nation, and not increased the joy: they joy before thee according to the joy in harvest, and as menrejoice when they divide the spoil.
Isaiah 9:3New King James Version (NKJV) 3 You have multiplied the nation And increased its joy; They rejoice before You According to the joy of harvest
Even a blind man can see that their is difference in sentence and meaning from those two versions of the king james, pls tell us , was their joy increased or not? I can bet it that you will not answer!, YOU KEEP ON TALKING ABOUT THE NWT WITHOUT PROVIDING ANY FACT, BUT WHEN SUCH ISSUES ARE RAISED ABOUT THE KJV WITH FACTS YOU GO MUTE!
Jesus did not write the bible!. Those who wrote the scriptures recorded the truth about Jesus, they know he is trully and really God's son, it is not a nickname given to or by the person God sent to mankind. I BAFFLED AT YOUR BELIEF THAT JESUS IS NOT GODS SON!
pls , you who is being thought by the holy spirit 1. who is the son of man and who is the ancient of days as recorded in this verse. King James Version Da 7:13I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
2. is the son of man/ jesus the same person as God in Stephens vision! King James Version Ac 7:55But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, King James Version Ac 7:56And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.
3. who was the Lord that Jehovah was talking to in psalms 110:1 Ps 110:1Jehovah declared to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand Until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.”
let's see if the holy spirit you always claim to have will help you to answer them, or if as usual you will look for an excuse.
You will never understand the truth-it shows the Spirit of the Lord is to far advanced for your little mind, until you receive the Spirit of God, you will never understand the Word of God. The Word Of God is right in front of you, just because you can't see the Words, it doesn't mean the Words isn't there. He sent His Spirit to teach us about Him, No-one has seen God at anytime, God is Spirit-when we worship we must worship in Spirit and in truth {John 4:23} He teaches us in ways dealing with our normal lives, His ways is so simple, our flesh is so complicated to try and understand everything we do without Him. With all your arguments, you are trying to override God's Word in the flesh, which of course you are using your own mind to calculate the scriptures. Listen I have read all those scriptures you have produce in the King James bible, but to honest you are trying to work the bible out yourself without God in the picture, as I have said the bible is written psychically and spirituality. Jesus said "faith without works is dead. You expect me to argue over the same bible, which I won't do-the bible is written for those who truly believe-its about love, it isn't about your silly fleshly arguments. Jesus doesn't say one thing and say's another that go's against Himself {Word}. He had Chosen to be "Called the Son Of God". He also Called Himself I Am. {Luke 1:35, John 8:58} Before Jesus was "CALLED THE SON OF GOD" Who was He? Not Jehovah as you believe it to be-He "CALLED" Himself I Am "Who I Am, He say's it again in {Exodus 3:14} Jesus can Call Himself Everything if He wanted too {Colossians 1:16} EVERY SCRIPTURE WE HAVE SHARED TOGETHER YOU MANAGE TO FIND OTHER SCRIPTURES TO TRY AND TURN THE WORD OF GOD AGAINST ITSELF. Every scripture is equal with the other. If your Elders scholars were Spirit filled Believers true Christians, the bible would stay the same "they wouldn't need to change it year after year removing or twisting the word of God. Jesus wrote the truth about Himself in all the bible, He isn't lying against Himself? You were taught from men without them having the Spirit, which is the flesh, which of course there's no back door into the Kingdom of God. Us believers are up against the darkness and the principalities of this world every 24-7. And our flesh will always war against the Spirit. You must pull the speck out of your own eye-before you can pull the speck out of someone else's eye-Look what your flesh is doing against the Spirit. {Galatians 5:16-17} You keep on refusing Him, because you have been taught by the JW a man made organisation that only started back in 1870, and the word of God has been around since time began. Think man" think about it, and you are trying to argue against the Word Of God in one bible the King James? Your argument is over nothing, Jesus is recognised as Yahweh, El, Elohim, Jehovah, God, Jesus, I Am' who I Am etc..It doesn't matter they all mean the same..
dolphinheart: excuse upon excuse, you will bring anything up just to avoid responding to the scriptures quoted to you!
I have used the kjv to show you that your doctrine that Jesus is Jehovah is false! you could not respond to those scriptures ,neither could you find fault with the explanations given!
Liar! look at what the verse said below:
Joe 2:32 And everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved; For on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there will be those who escape, just as Jehovah has said, The survivors whom Jehovah calls.”
Like you said, Peter and Paul quoted from Joel's prophecy, but you had to alter their quote cus if you left the quote the way Joel said and recorded it, it will expose you. JOEL DID NOT SAY LORD, HE PRONOUNCED GOD NAME AND RECORDED IT THE WAY HEBREWS WRITE GOD'S NAME! FOR YOU TO NOW THINK THAT PETER AND PAUL , WHEN QUOTING JOEL, ALTERED JOEL'S WORDS SHOWS HOW FAR YOU CAN GO TO DEFEND FALSE TEACHINGS!
it has been shown to you several times that rev 1:8 is talking about Jehovah, he is the almighty God, he said so and the scriptures tell us so. anytime I show you such verses, you always run away from examining it!, Rev 1:8 is not talking about Jesus!
continue to lie , you can't even post the scriptures that you say agrees, you can't even state what it agrees!
you are a liar! The NWT did not say what you posted above . below is the true translation of Zechariah 12:10
Zec 12:10“I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the spirit of favor and supplication, and they will look to the one whom they pierced, and they will wail over him as they would wail over an only son; and they will grieve bitterly over him as they would grieve over a firstborn son.
EVEN YOU COULD NOT FAULT THE KJV ACCEPTANCE OF THESE TRUTH , LOOK WHAT IT RECORDED ABOUT ZECHARIAH PROPHECY! [b]King James Version Joh 19:37 And again another scripture saith, They shall look on him whom they pierced. WILL YOU DENY THE TRANSLATION YOU BELIEVE IN CUS IT TOLD YOU THE TRUTH, LET'S SEE WHAT YOU WILL SAY THAT THAT VERSE IN THE KJV IS NOT TRUE!
how can you wallow in such falsehood when the truth is in front of you.
[b]King James Version Lu 1:32He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
King James Version Mt 27:54Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.
King James Version 1Jo 4:9In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
King James Version Mt 16:16And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
Mt 14:33Then those in the boat did obeisance to him, saying: “You really are God’s Son.”
Ac 9:20and immediately in the synagogues he began to preach about Jesus, that this one is the Son of God.
Heb 1:2 Now at the end of these days he has spoken to us by means of a Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the systems of things.
FINALLY FOR YOU BROCAB King James Version 1Jo 4:15Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.[/b]
disagree with what? I've always told you to complete your statements. As to the false doctrines you are trying to show, you can see once again it's being debunked and you have been found a liar!, you could not even quote those scriptures cus you wanted to lie!.
Jesus gave himself a nick name? wow! what false thoughts will you not formulate!
WELL JEHOVAH HIMSELF , IN FULFILLING HIS PROPHECY GIVEN TO ISAIAH ABOUT JESUS HIS SERVANT SAID THIS!
King James Version Mt 3:17And lo a voice from heaven, saying, THIS IS MY BELOVED SON, in whom I am well pleased.
Dolphinheart you know why you write so many verses, because you can't seem to accept the scriptures that are already in front of you, both are from the same bible the King James. Jesus was Called to be the Son of God-the scriptures never said He is the Son of God. So who is He? I admire you in ways of your anger, Can't you see it, I am also writing from the same bible as you, this just proves you are trying to read the bible without faith, but works only. Faith without works is dead.. It must take you all night to prove the bible verses I use are from the King James? Your anger shows-you haven't received the Spirit of God in your heart-this is why you are trying to work everything out from your mind. This is the flesh... I don't answer most of your scriptures, only because none of them relate to the verses I produce to you from the same bible.. I already know, you don't know, the Spirit is always at war with the flesh. We see things, that our flesh don't see, it's our faith with our works, see it. It's only the Spirit of God that opens up our hearts to know any truth. And the truth in you does exist he is the Antichrist....You should ask him for the answers-not even he has the Spirit of God living inside of Him...
I have heard this story before-this happened to a friend of mine, and he was convinced by a JW female too, he himself was falling in love with one of them. He would describe her as she was standing in front of me, later I managed to meet her and she was beautiful, but the problem is, She is obeying her Master Elders, she didn't feel the same way my friend felt. Matter of fact she was cold. Her family history, have been in this game since the JW's had started their businesses. Can't you see-She's trained to pick up new Christians {suckers} like you. Their Church is full of lies and wonders-your story's matches up with my old friend, she wouldn't accept him, she was playing with his feelings, She was using her beauty, she would watch him fall in love with Her-she played the game, she would give him a smile or maybe a look or two-but the story ends like this? Not until he joined up with their organisation. Then She moves on, on to the next new Christian, this is a Game to her-she's been trained all her life, she is either already Married, or She has someone else in mind. Once you take your mind of Christ, as soon as you join she dumps you, "Clean. My friend was falling, like you have fell, "from the love of Christ" you yourself fell in love with the Antichrist. The Scarlet Woman {Revelation 17 portrays a Harlot, Purple and Scarlet who conducted her business with the Kings of the Earth} Are we not Kings and Priest on the Earth {Revelation 1:6} Listen once you believe in Christ and become a born again believer-their's no turning back, but if your heart is more about your flesh-then all I can say is, you don't belong to Christ at all. And if you are really a born again believer you wouldn't even think of marrying someone that belongs to any organisation that don't accept Christ in their hearts at all, Only Jehovah. So it's best for you to marry the Antichrist.
pappy2000: Jw girl is so much in love with me, she pleaded with me that I should change to Jw which I bluntly refused she said I should change to Jw for a moment then I can change later, I was planning of secretly leaving her, is it that God is telling me something to marry her
So what is it? Is the King James doctrine false or is it not false? lets show the world you don't believe in any of the bibles, either from the King James, nor your own New World Translation Bible. But if you are referring to the doctrine brocab speaks off-then you are referring to the King James version, and if the scriptures I give are false then the truth of this matter is, you aren't a true believer in Christ, full stop....But a false prophet. Lets turn to the "Old" and the "New" Testaments Starting with {Joel 2:32 from the "Old" to the "New" that lines together with Acts 2:21 and Romans 10:13 who ever calls upon the Name of the Lord shall be saved} The New World Translation bible agrees! Now Lets look further, {Isaiah 44:6 from the "Old" refers Himself as the First and the Last, now the "New" Revelation 1:8 and 17 Jesus refers Himself He is the Alpha and the omega the First and the Last} Again the New World Translation agrees! Now lets turn into {Zechariah 12:10 From the "Old" The Lord said they will look on me who they have pierced. This is obviously Jesus speaking, we are still reading the "Old" Psalms 22:16, now the "New" John 19:34 and with this same passage from Zachariah appears again in Revelation 1:7} And the New World Translation agrees! Lets look a little deeper! Who Christ really is? {Luke 1:35 And the Angel said to her {Mary} the Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will over shadow you, therefore also the Holy one who is to be born "Doplhinheart Listen" "WILL BE "CALLED" THE SON OF GOD" It is as plain as it sounds He will be "CALLED" the Son of God-NOT THAT HE IS THE SON OF GOD} And again THE NEW WORLD TRANSLATION BIBLE agrees. JESUS WAS "CALLED THE SON OF GOD, NOT HE IS "THE SON OF GOD! So come on now "Dolphinheart tell the world you disagree, even your own bible lies against your truth... It's like this, the bible was written for Children to understand, the bible is so simple, it doesn't take rocket science to understand it, all we need is the Holy Spirit to teach us the word of God. The Angel is directly saying-He is "Called" the Son of God, "not that He is the Son of God. "The Angel said it, as plain as it sounds ,Jesus was to be "Called" the Son of God, Jesus actually made Himself up a nick name, like me, I called myself Brocab, but it doesn't mean I am. I have a real name.. Jesus also Has His real Name. I Am, who I Am.
dolphinheart: I've used the scriptures to show your doctrine to be false, up till now you could not respond to those verses quoted to you.
you have proven me to be right once more, you could not provide where I made such statement, you like to spew out accusations that only exist in your mind, when asked to provide proof, you will start babbling!. you have now started trying to adjust your accusations about what you claim I said, continue o! you always have problems with wateva translation I use , that the only way you could try to change the topic and refuse to answer the question or examine the scriptures quoted to you!
stop liking selected scriptures, stop rejecting scriptures when it's posted to you, examine them and come to a better understanding. stop looking for scriptures that you think you can alter it's meaning to give support to your derived doctrines.
JESUS, THE SCRIPTURES, THE APOSTLES AND GOD HIMSELF HAS TOLD US IN SEVERAL PLACES AND DIRECTLY WHO OUR GOD IS. HE IS JEHOVAH, THE ALMIGHTY GOD, THE FATHER AND GOD OF JESUS , THE HEAD OF JESUS, THE MOST HIGH GOD!
see excuse for your refusal to accept those scriptures.
{Luke 1:35-42}The angel said the Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the Power of the highest will over shadow you, therefore also "that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God. Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit who recognises Jesus, and said, bless are you among women and Blessed is the fruit of your womb. Are you really serious, you believe this gives Mary the power to be worshipped, because she was the Mother of Jesus? Mary was chosen because of her faith towards God-Mary's was a sinner like us-Elizabeth shouted out loud because she was filled with the Holy Spirit, yes Mary was blessed-but it is Jesus we worship. I am a blessed man will you worship me too..
What is the difference between Hail, Salute, Greet or even Ave
E be lyk say e dey pain you cause we are Hailing/Saluting Mary as writing in the scripture......And God was the first to say it through an angel as a message Luke 1:42
Dolpinheart wrote this at 4:24 on Oct 22 1. you will not answer questions ,expecially when the answers prove your doctrine to be false My doctrine comes straight out of the king James bible-if this isn't calling the King James a false bible, what is? Dolphinheart once again-12:25 today-Your mind is playing games with you, hence you make accusations that was created from your imaginations, if I asked you to show prove and state where I said "there is no truth found in the king James version", you will not be able to, you will either start blabbing or change the issue once again. Well I say-Proven as it is proven-liar.. Next time you answer me use your own bible-since you claim the king James doctrine has false teachings. I like this one both bibles the king James and the New World Translation line up together In {2 Peter 1:1} for example. To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and savour Jesus Christ. Both bibles line up together-then this must prove you bible is false too.... No wonder you JW's never use your bibles when witnessing, but use your magazines.
dolphinheart: Always, at all times, your ways and aim become easily manifest, once your false theories has been exposed you quickly try to change the issue , it's now about translations issues when you realised you could not counter those verses that exposed you, that told you who Jehovah is.
Your mind is playing games with you, hence you make accusations that was created from your imaginations, if I asked you to show prove and state where I said "there is no truth found in the king James version", you will not be able to, you will either start blabbing or change the issue once again. If I use the king James, you will have issues with it, if I use the NWT, you will have issues with it, if I use both, you will still have issues with it. You will not state if the verse quoted was wrong or right, you will just create issues with the use of any translation that is used to expose your false doctrines.
Are the verses quoted to you from the kjv containing false teachings?, if yes let us know, but if no, then why don't you accept the words as quoted to you from the kjv?, you create issues with my use of the translation that you accepted just so that you don't respond to the truth found in the verses quoted to you from that same translation.
let me show you good examples of change, let's see if you will explain them:
acts 3:26 King James Bible Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.
If we look at the verse in the new king James version, the sentence has been altered, given a different sentence with different meaning!
Acts 3:26New King James Version (NKJV) 26 To you first, God, having raised up His Servant Jesus, sent Him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from your iniquities.”
"son" or "servant", a beg tell us which one is correct and which is false!.
Let's look at another verse
King James Bible Thou hast multiplied the nation, and not increased the joy: they joy before thee according to the joy in harvest, and as menrejoice when they divide the spoil.
Isaiah 9:3New King James Version (NKJV) 3 You have multiplied the nation And increased its joy; They rejoice before You According to the joy of harvest
Even a blind man can see that their is difference in sentence and meaning from those two versions of the king james, pls tell us , was their joy increased or not? I can bet it that you will not answer!
Let the scriptures{ENGLISH VERSION} tell us God's name:
[b]Ps 83:18 May people know that you, whose name is Jehovah, You alone are the Most High over all the earth. King James Version Ps 83:18 That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.
Ex 6:3And I used to appear to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob as God Almighty, but with regard to my name Jehovah I did not make myself known to them. King James Version Ex 6:3And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them
Isa 42:8 I am Jehovah. That is my name; I give my glory to no one else, Nor my praise to graven images.
CONTINUE TO FIND FAULT WITH THOSE SCRIPTURES, YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO SO, BUT IT WUNT CHANGE THE TRUTH.
all those verses you can't respond to are not truth? are not proof?
who is arguing with you about the kjv, you are the one having issues with it! , you refuse to accept it's content when it's being quoted to you. You use such issues to change the topic, but it does not matter, those verses had already exposed you. It tells you who Jehovah is and how Jehovah relates with jesus.
can your blood save for eternity? no!.
who is the God of the isrealities , he is the same God that jesus called our God and his God, the same God worshipped by the disciples, not a three person in one God!
[b]Joh 20:17Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’”
1Co 11:3 But I want you to know that the head of every man is the Christ; in turn, the head of a woman is the man; in turn, the head of the Christ is God.
Eph 1:17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the accurate knowledge of him.
Col 1:3 We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, when we pray for you,
1Co 8:6 there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.
MY GOD IS THE FATHER, JEHOVAH, THE MOST HIGH, ALMIGHTY GOD, THE FATHER AND GOD OF JESUS, THE HEAD OF JESUS, THE ONE WHO JESUS IS SUBJECTED TO!
Jesus is the one who mediates between us and my God, and pleads on our behalf!.
Hypocritical as you are, hypocritical you stay, haven't you realised dolphinheart we worship two different God's, firstly you tell me the bible I use the 'King James is false, and there's no truth found in the King James bible? Nor in any other bibles-But it appears when it's time for you to answer any questions the first bible you run too, is the King James and other bibles, but not your own NWT bible. Is there a purpose to this? Or is there some missing truth to it. Lets start with the New World Translation bible, it doesn't hold much truth about God, because year after year your organisation keeps on taken the truth away from the people who are truly seeking after Him. Lets be honest? This is the many reasons you can't use your bible. Dolphinheart claims the King James bible has false teachings? And yet your bible holds verses that match up with the King James {2 Peter 1:1} To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and savour Jesus Christ-for example, so does this mean your bible is also false? Is this why you refuse to use your bible in any of your arguments?? Shouldn't you be producing your bible, and prove to me, what is truth, instead of sharing your own claims, lie upon lies? Hypocritical.. God's Name is "I am" In your New World Translation bible his name is Jehovah, all what I choose. NWT {Exodus 3:14 God said to Moses I will become what I choose to become, and He added, this is what you are to say to the Israelite's I WILL BECOME "HAS SENT ME TO YOU?} It doesn't matter what Name people call God-His real Name is "I Am" Your bible just shows God chooses to become- I Am what I Am. Maybe the Jews didn't speak English, it doesn't matter-what language, the Jews Called God YHVH-YHWH not Jehovah" yeh" the English version is Yahweh, it's still not Jehovah, or should we say "in Hebrew they called His Name El, Eloah, Elohim, Not Jehovah" You really want to argue the truth-but yet you haven't produce any proof what is your truth. All you have done is argue my bible and the rest of other bibles, and you haven't yet produced your own-aren't you a Jehovah witness-that you only preach your magazines through out the nations, because your bible shows evidence your scholars have either copied other bibles in the makings. and here you are arguing with me about the King James bible. You believe that their is one God, you do well, even the demons believe. Truly the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob, isn't the same God you have, your God refuses to save lives. My God the Almighty Jesus who shed His blood on the cross for us all to save us for eternity, a Child a Mother or a Father "His blood saved lives" [ Your god' is a murder from the beginning. Satan came to kill, steal and destroy-what more can I say?
dolphinheart: TRUMP 1. Everything is not from the NWT, you like using this line as an excuse when confronted with verses you can't counter or explain, expecially with verses that expose you. If I use the NWT, you will complain, if I don't , you will still complain.
2. someone who is sure of what he is saying will provide facts to support his view that the scriptures quoted( that is, the verses I posted to show you that jesus is not jehovah is rigged, you could not point to even one verse among all those verses I quoted and show how it is rigged!
3. when you are being shown the truth from the scriptures, you will always find excuse.
you have done an online poll on who believes who instead of taking out time to examine the scriptures posted to you. This goes to show that you aim is to find fault with wateva means possible instead of examining the truth from the scriptures.
you like talking about mundane issues, using derogatory words
1. you are not the one , neither are you in a position to determine my outcome.
2. yes , the Jews never called their God Jehovah, jehovah is English and the Jews did not speak English.
3. you statement about the Jews not using vowels shows you know nothing about the issue you are talking about. THE HEBREW USED VOWELS IN THEIR SPEECH.
4. It is quite evident that you could not counter or find fault with the scriptures and explanations giving to you. When we read the prophecies given by Jehovah about jesus we realise that Jehovah and jesus are two different persons. Jehovah called jesus his servant and listed things he will do for that servant and what that servant will do for him. If David had known the name that will be given to the Messiah, the one who God anointed and told to sit at his right side, David would probably had said "Jehovah said to jesus"!
In Stephens vision, he saw two persons, one who he said was God, the other he identified as jesus who was standing beside God. The visions of Stephen goes along with all the prophecies of jesus being at the right hand of the most high.
I'll like to ask you a question, even though I know you wunt answer cus the answer will expose you.
Daniel 7:13 says : 3I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
plS tell, who is the son of man and who is the ancient of days?
Reading everything from your own NWT bible no-one will believe you, everyone knows your bible is rigged. To be truthful no-one believed you from the beginning. I only admired you because you were out there who stood your ground, not like the other fools who run away with their tails between their legs. The truth is sharing right in front of you, but you would prefer to see blind, true Believers know you will be the first one going straight into Hell, if you don't turn your ways towards the Lord God Almighty. Jehovah, the Jews never called God Jehovah in their time, they didn't use vowels back then. So what is His Name Yahweh YHWH...
dolphinheart: they will commend you when you say something sensible, they will also expose you when you lie!. Some do not respond to you any longer cus 1. you will not answer questions ,expecially when the answers prove your doctrine to be false 2. you always try to change the topic when exposed
You do not want me to respond , that's why you don't mention my moniker, and when you do, you alter it so that it can't be posted in my mentions. you just did it above with the bolded
yes it's true, their is only one true supreme God, his name is Jehovah in English. The scriptures identify this one as the "most high" , the scriptures emphatically shows us that jesus is not the same person as the most high, either hers on earth or in heaven
1. King James Version Ps 83:18That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth
some other verses that support the above: Ex 6:3And I used to appear to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob as God Almighty, but with regard to my name Jehovah I did not make myself known to them. Ps 68:4Sing to God; sing praises to his name. Sing to the One riding through the desert plains. Jah is his name! Rejoice before him! Isa 42:8I am Jehovah. That is my name; I give my glory to no one else, Nor my praise to graven images.
2. Ge 14:22But Aʹbram said to the king of Sodʹom: “I raise my hand in an oath to Jehovah the Most High God, Maker of heaven and earth,
3. 2Sa 22:14Then Jehovah began to thunder from heaven; The Most High made his voice heard. *note the verse did not say "their voice" it said " his voice", showing you that Jehovah is one person!
4. Ps 97:9For you, O Jehovah, are the Most High over all the earth; You are exalted far above all other gods.
I have used the scriptures to identify who the most high is, now does the scripture say jesus is the most high like it emphatically say that Jehovah is the most high? The answer is NO! does it identify jesus' relationship to the most high? The answer is YES!
1. King James Version Lu 1:32He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest:{most high} and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: *jesus is son of the most high , he is not the most high.
2. King James Version Mr 5:7And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not.
THE SCRIPTURES TELLS US THAT JESUS SITS AT THE RIGHT HAND OF THE MAJESTY ON HIGH!, this majesty is identified as God almighty, Jehovah. Visions, prophesies and even jesus himself has identified this one as not the same person as jesus! .JESUS IS NOT THE SAME PERSON WITH THE ONE HE IS SITTING BESIDE!
And you have preffered(cus of false doctrines) to follow the Jews who stopped saying God's name rather than following God who wanted his name known and declared to all!
I Am that I Am ( אֶהְיֶה אֲשֶׁר אֶהְיֶה , ehyeh ašer ehyeh [ehˈje aˈʃer ehˈje] ) is the common English translation ( JPS among others) of the response God used in the Hebrew Bible when Moses asked for his name ( Exodus 3:14 ). It is one of the most famous verses in the Torah. Hayah means "existed" in Hebrew; ehyeh is the first person singular imperfect form and is usually translated in English Bibles as "I am" or "I will be" (or "I shall be", for example, at Exodus 3:14. Ehyeh asher ehyeh literally translates as "I Am Who I Am." The ancient Hebrew of Exodus 3:14 lacks a future tense as modern English does, yet a few translations render this name as "I Will Be What I Will Be", given the context of Yahweh promising to be with his people through their future troubles. [1] Both the literal present tense "I Am" and the future tense "I will be" have given rise to many attendant theological and mystical implications in Jewish tradition. However, in most English Bibles, in particular the King James Version , the phrase is rendered as I am that I am. Ehyeh-Asher-Ehyeh (often contracted in English as "I AM" ) is one of the Seven Names of God accorded special care by medieval Jewish tradition. [2] The phrase is also found in other world religious literature, used to describe the Supreme Being, generally referring back to its use in Exodus. The word Ehyeh is considered by many rabbinical scholars to be a first-person derivation of the Tetragrammaton , see for example Yahweh . ......wikipedia/I_Am_that_I_Am
Job 23:13When he is determined, who can resist him? When he wants to do something, he does it. Isa 14:27For Jehovah of armies has decided, And who can thwart it? His hand is stretched out, And who can turn it back?
FALSE!, such teachings cannot be found in the scriptures, arguments for the belief of such teachings can only be supported through derived , man made analogy
Joe 2:32[b]And everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved;[/b] For on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there will be those who escape, just as Jehovah has said, The survivors whom Jehovah calls.”
therefore if Paul and peter where quoting that verse like you said, they would have pronounced Gods name as Joel would have when recording that verse!, and not the modified version of those who want God's name hidden!. so Peter and Paul where not referring to jesus, but to his God and father, the one who sent jesus, "Jehovah"!.
To further show you who peter was referring to , let's look at the context of that quote. Peter was talking about Joel's prophecy and how it has just been fulfilled! examine carefully the underlined parts!
King James Version Ac 2:16But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; Ac 2:17And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
Peter knows fully well what Joel said, he knows that Jehovah was the one who prophesied about given the holy spirit in the last days, he knows for certain who gave them the holy spirit, that that person is his God and father (as jesus had previously thought him), no wonder he stated this while talking about jesus' role to show that Joel's prophecy has been fulfilled!
[color]King James Version Ac 2:33Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.[/color]
This verses prove further that jesus , who sits at the right hand of Jehovah , is not Jehovah! Jehovah is the most high jesus sits at the right side of the most high
Jehovah gives the holy spirit jesus sits at the right hand of the one wHo gave the holy spirit
Jehovah is the father jesus calls the father our God
WE HAVE ONE GOD, OUR FATHER!
read the scriptures and understand, jesus has said several times that he was sent by God, to do God's will, all he did was for Jehovah, not for himself. He teaches us what Jehovah told him to teach us. He gave us the fathers will!. BECAUSE JESUS CAME TO DO THE FATHERS COMMAND AND WILL DOES NOT MEAN JESUS IS THE FATHER, IT SURELY DOES NOT MEAN JESUS IS JEHOVAH!
read from verse 38-50, you will understand better!, stop trying to contradict the scriptures!
false! , read rev 1:1, 4-6.
false! The kjv when recording that quote of zech said : King James Version Joh 19:37And again another scripture saith, They shall look on him whom they pierced.
if psalms 22: 16 refers to jesus, then surely jesus is not Jehovah, look at what verse 19 says : Ps 22:19But you, O Jehovah, do not remain far away. You are my strength; hurry to help me.
READ THE SCRIPTURES BROCAB, DNT SELECT VERSES THAT YOU FEEL YOU CAN MODIFY TO SUIT YOUR AIM. JEHOVAHs prophecies about jesus and how jesus fulfilled them has shown that Jehovah is not Jesus.
firstly you haven't corrected me in anyway-Matter of fact you had agreed more on Susan's story, that she is telling the truth-I had noticed you said no-one makes money out of Purgatory "At least not today?" Does this mean they were making money out of purgatory in the past? I was Just reading about Susan's topic, after hearing it from you Does Susan's story still exist? If the Church no-longer believe in paying people out of purgatory, then why does the Church pray for the dead saints still? Has this verse got anything to do with it? {Luke 12:59} I continualed to find other sources that would back up Her story. I found that Video which you refuse to watch. My wife is a Catholic and she said she has never paid purgatory money in her Church, then I continualed to search before her time, a little deeper how the Catholic Church makes their millions. Like other denomination Churches on Earth I found someone to talk about her experiences from the past, she shared with me, how hard it was living as a Catholic, She spoke about many topic's, the one I was interested in, was how does the Catholic Church collect millions without people even recognising, the Church is ripping of their own followers. "She told me through their teachings" and she continualed her past-when she was a Child the Nuns would punish the Children, stand them up publicly in front of the classroom making a complete mockery out of them, beating them Spiritually and mentally in front of every Child, telling them it's a Sin and God will punish them, if they don't go to Church and put monies into the plate each week. They were taught God would struct them dead, if they don't obey the Catholic Church. Pretty heavy-she told me she hated God, he was so evil, she would fear God only in the way she was taught by the Catholic Church, no-one had a chance to live a normal life with his rules and laws, she believed God had given all His power to the Catholic Church. That she would fear God every time His name was mentioned-she feared God only because she was baptised under the banner of the Church and she grew up believing through the Catholic Churches teachings, God wasn't a lovable God, she felt he was evil. Every Child felt the same, and every Child felt they were enslaved as Catholic's and forced to pay each week, that the Church would collect over time large amounts of cash from their followers. {Of course you Uben wouldn't agree with a story such as this, because everyone knows your Church wouldn't do such a crime} The bible talks about fear God but not fear Him the way the Catholic Church teaches to fear Him-God is about Love {Luke 12:5, Hebrews 10:31} The Catholic Church taught how to fear God' in a completely different way that the Church would make up rules and laws that didn't have anything to do with the bible at all. Talk about a misunderstanding religion, or maybe they weren't misunderstood? Many years later after her ordeal-the lord called her into His kingdom, and she made her choice to become a born again Christian, she knew it was Jesus calling her, she felt His love over her, she never felt nor recognised Jesus's love inside the Catholic Church, by her own choices and by her own faith she had in Jesus, she was baptised in the Name of the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit. She made a choice-even thru she was baptised as a baby and born into the Catholic Church-she made her own choices who to believe... Great ending Amen.... Susan of course may have been misunderstood, But even you believe her story" At least not today" she still believes she can buy souls out from purgatory, she retrieved that story from somewhere-I heard this same story from other Catholic's many years ago, so she isn't the only one that believes.
Ubenedictus: Brocab, the problem i've gat with u is u alway repeat the same accusation even after u have been corrected, nobody can buy people out of purgatory, the catholic church doesnt believe in buying people out of purgatory either and nobody makes money out of purgatory, at least not today! susan tassone as i earlier wrote decided on her own to raise 2mil for 400,000 masses worldwide, u can't buy people from purgatory but if God will it one may pray people from it.
if i go to mass daily i may add them in prayers or in my private prayer, tassone's idea was to give a priest a $5 stipend to mention that particular intention specifically at his mass. nobody is making a fortune out of it. and just so u know a priest will put ur intention specifically in his mass even if u have no stipend but there is a lesson to giving a stipend.
It just shows doesn't it, where are the JW's now, dolphinhaert was the one that believed in something, while the others ran for their lifes?? Lets start with the truth about Christ. That there is only one true supreme God, The God of the bible. And His Name is YHWH. YHWH is usually translated as LORD. Out of reverence for the Holiness of God, the Jews stopped saying God's Name, 100 years BC. So the correct pronunciation of YHWH is uncertain the Hebrew language does not contain vowels. But we can ascertain the first syllable of God's Name is probably pronounced "Yah" because it is found in the word Hallelujah {Halleluyah} Hallelujah means prise the LORD. Or more correctly praise YHWH. "Some Christians pronounce YHWH as Yahweh. Yahweh means "I am, who I am" God explained His name to Moses during the burning bush encounter, when God commissioned Moses to free Israel{Exodus 3:13-15} God's Name is the "I am" that gives a sense of enigmatic, transcendent and eternal nature of God {Revelation 1:8}. Three infinite and eternal persons belong to the Godhead called The Father the Son and the Holy spirit. Yahweh is One God made up in 3 persons. The facts are that Jesus Christ is Yahweh can be determined by comparing the following Old Testament verse with the New Testament verses. {Joel 2:32} That who ever call upon the LORD Yahweh will be saved. This verse is quoted by Peter in {Acts 2:21 and Paul in Romans 10:13} Both apostles were referring Jesus as the LORD. {Isaiah 40:3} speaks about preparing the way for the LORD Yahweh {Mark 1:3} we also see that Jesus is the LORD. {Isaiah 6:1-10} We read about the marvellous vision Isaiah had revealing the Glory of the LORD Yahweh. {John 12:40-41} Tells us of his vision revealed the Glory of Jesus. {Isaiah 44:6} LORD Yahweh refers to Himself as the "first and the Last" {Revelation 1:1-8 and 17} Jesus refers to Himself He is the Alpha and Omega and the first and the last. {Zecheriah 12:10} The LORD said they will look on Me who have pierced, This is obviously Jesus speaking though {Psalms 22:16, John 19:34} This passage from Zachariah appears in {Revelation 1:7} and its clearly about Jesus. The truth is there if one chooses to find it..So come on JW's lets look seriously into the bible. The Father the Son and the Holy Spirit is Jesus...
No I didn't say their was tithing there, but taken money from God's Children lying to them in anyway, runs side by side with the tithing and Purgatory lie. The Jehovah Witnesses have a great one to boast about, they take control of everyone's bank accounts, and if one die's they own everything, the family members only get the bills to pay. That poor woman believes she could buy people out of purgatory, There's so many denominations out there, who claim they believe and know Christ-that they feel they have rights to rip off God's Children, with crazy idea's, most denominations have twisted the truth about Christ for their own personal gain..Jesus said from such withdraw yourselves {1 Timothy 6} Either it's Pentecost or from any other different denominations, every Church are hiding behind the Prosperity preachers name. Claiming they are saved, but collecting millions running their Churches under the charity act, every contract signed in full belongs to the Governments of the land, Churches and other charity acts have signed the contract-not paying taxes-the government has full control over every Church, every Charity deed that runs across the nations, And who makes the profits the Government. You can't buy or sell without the system. Churches hires builders to build, and everything is brought for a price. Church leaders are using God as a tool to rip off God's Church and the people in them. Instead of the tithing lie, they use other methods to Gain large amounts of Money. Have you ever studied up on the Mormons, their Churches look like temples, with gold and silver and or precious stones. Uben there are thousands of people, out of Church today, "Why" no-one wants to be ripped off-Jesus never preached about Money, He preach about the word of God-it's only His Word that sets us free, not money-Money can't and never will bring happiness into anybodies life. All it does, it brings unhappiness, to much is never enough, and these so called preachers are always wanting more..
This is why we need to have the Spirit of God who gives us discernment to know the truth about the Word Of God, His love sets us free. Not the love of Money.....
Ubenedictus: there is no tithing lie there, nobody is paying tithe to anyone, i just did a quick look up on susan tassone, nobody told her to bring money for priest, she one her own organised 2mil for 400,000 mass worldwide. that means given a priest $5 only as stipend to add ur intentions specifically at mass.
Nobody is making profit of megre $5. I'm pretty surprised dis is what u are happing about.
Susan gave 2 million that's a lot of money to try and take people out of Hell purgatory' it doesn't matter how long it had taken her to pay off the money, her aim was to pay souls out of Hell. Susan was taught by the Catholic Church first hand, she could buy lost souls out of Hell? Lets read what the bible says about this- {Luke 16:14-31} Not even the rich man could buy himself out of Hell, and the poor man stayed with Abraham, living His freedom. Uben you don't really believe this do you? This sort of rubbish is to far fetched, read the scripture again about the rich man. {A Rich Man in Hell Purgatory} and Susan is paying the Church large amounts of cash to get them out of Hell purgatory. Listen money will never set a man free, money can be used for all kinds of evil-God made us to have choices and the choices we make through life is the choices we choose to go, People can't be brought from their own condemnation, life is living, there is no price, that could pay $$$ for that. But yet the Church teaches you can raise the dead, Susan paid 2 million to buy the dead souls out of Hell Purgatory. Uben paying someone out of Purgatory is to far fetched-don't you agree? But the problem is you didn't watch the video, and the other problem is, once someone is in Hell purgatory you stay there, it won't matter how much money you pay to any "Church to any priest pastor or preacher-Money won't buy your freedom".
Ubenedictus: there is no tithing lie there, nobody is paying tithe to anyone, i just did a quick look up on susan tassone, nobody told her to bring money for priest, she one her own organised 2mil for 400,000 mass worldwide. that means given a priest $5 only as stipend to add ur intentions specifically at mass.
Nobody is making profit of megre $5. I'm pretty surprised dis is what u are happing about.
I never said she wrote a book, it says she raised two million dollars to pay for the souls to get out of purgatory, but purgatory has got to do with your Church, listen to the priest video, this may help you understand what purgatory is, and how one breaks free, purgatory runs side by side with the tithing lie, it's all about money..
Ubenedictus: I dont know any susan, she isnt a priest or a pope, If she made money by writting a book on doctrine then she deserves the money. she wrote and people bought, that has nothing to do with d church, i can write a book on d trinity and make money from it, there is nothing wrong with that. The church didnt say u must listen or by susan book nor wil u find priest asking people to bring money for purgatory today. so i dont know hw u can claim dat the church is making money today by teaching purgatory.
Uben you should know better then lie against the truth. Nov 4 2011 Susan's Tassone's passion is to get people out of purgatory, since the Catholic Church accepts money. Susan raises two million to get souls out of purgatory. 2011/11/04-Catholic- author-raises-two million-...
Joagbaje: Tithe is given from all income . They gave tithe in cash and kind.
Luke 18:12 I fast twice a week, and I give you a tenth of my entire income.
Secondly God addressed them mostly as a nation of farmers. to bring tithes a d offerings from their produce . however money was used as tithe and offerings in the bible. God only accepted what the priest could use in their service in the terbernacle. But things that can't be used were replaced with money. so there was money option. for example God didn't accept unclean animals such as dogs carmel, horses cat etc. he only accepted animals such as goat ,sheep ram,cow. but for the unclean animals money was given.
Lev 27:27 And if it be of an unclean beast, then he shall redeem it according to thine estimation, and shall add a fifth part of it thereto: or if it be not redeemed, then it shall be sold according to thy estimation.
pastors are not being enriched by tithes. except few general overseers most pastors have their jobs and businesses as professionals. pasteurising is only an act of service to God and voluntary sacrifice. A pastor is not a tithe collector but rather a tither. secondly the money of the church is not pastors money just as the bank money doesn't belong to the bank manager.
Crap! Your money tithe is not for God. God said bring your tithes and offering into the storehouse "so My people will be fed"-which again they could be poor the needy and the hungry, they are still God's people. A storehouse is a place where they stored food, Temple's had storehouses, not Church buildings, the body of Christ is the Church. And the pastor isn't the storehouse keeper. And the tithe and the offerings were for God's people-not just one man.
God did not say you should give your TITHE (God's 1/10th demand) to the poor...
If you want to give to the poor, c'mon, you can even give your FULL salary after paying the tithe to the church.. You can get a big loan and give to the poor, NO ONE will stop you..
And only a f00l will practise that which you suggested... You don't need to show the whole congregation what you want to give.... Invite them to your house, pack your belongings and money and properties for them BUT Your tithe is for God! Try and change his order by trying to use your "professor wisdom" and you're doomed... If God wanted us to do that, he'd have given us the commandment!
These things have been written before our greatgrandfathers were born and you can not change it with your JET age 21st century terrestial sense...
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 8:32am On Nov 01, 2016
As I had already told you I have explained {Psalms 110:1} It isn't my problem you had refused to read all what I have written-Look up 12-12 Oct 27, Page 119...
