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Christianity Etc › Re: Give Your 'Tithes' And Offerings To The Less Fortunate In Church by brocab: 4:53am On Oct 20, 2016*

He ha ha, He said bring all you tithes into the storehouse, so My people will be fed. Which of course some will be poor, needy and hungry, those who can survive they wouldn't need to go to the storehouse for Charity.
A storehouse is where they store food, not in a Church. Churches today a businesses where they collect money, Just another place they buy and sell.
Uben you know the truth? What is so funny is the tithing lies, line up with the purgatory lies, its all about money?

Ubenedictus:
hahaha, once suggested this to a friend he replied, " d bible says 'bring ur tithes into the house of God..." it didnt say give it to the poor, offering 4 d poor is different and tithe is for the man of God". I smiled.

Christianity Etc › Re: Give Your 'Tithes' And Offerings To The Less Fortunate In Church by brocab: 11:58pm On Oct 19, 2016*

If Pastors really thought about it, which they don't? One church leads into another, either Pentecost or Religious Etc..All Churches following each other, One Man controls the system-and if that man is corrupted then everything beside's the Churches are corrupted.
The problem is all Churches rely of the Government system, they run their Churches the same as the world runs their businesses, Churches don't pay the taxes. Only because every denomination had signed a peace treaty with the enemy, for personal gain.
{1 Timothy 6:3-5} Men of corrupt minds destitute of the truth who suppose the godliness is for great gain, Jesus said From such withdraw yourselves.
Countries receive other sorts of welfare Pensions, their retirement funds. Superannuation, and other means to survive, people have community's who in genial support the needy the poor and the hungry, WITHOUT THE SUPPORT OF ANY GOVERNMENT PRESIDENT-CHURCH; CHARITY'S ARE FROM PEOPLE WHO TRULY CARE.
The Government system controls the Churches, the Government had signed a peace treaty's to characterise the Church, for a price, everyone repays the price.
One Man in each country a Government, President system control's us all, through financing, schools, studies, bus services, and everything else that the Government system supplies!
No Church gives to the Poor, the needy, nor the hungry, why?
{Malachi 3:8-10} Because the Lord said bring all your tithes into the storehouse that their maybe food in My house. And the pastor's job isn't the storehouse keeper. And Churches are not storehouses, a storehouse, stores food.
Churches buy and sell like any other businesses do. Who controls the Money system, the same system that controls the world.
Who made the money system? That same system from Caesar's coin to the dollar then the credit cards, soon the mark of the beast, without it you can't buy or sell.
Hitler once said to control a country you must disarm it first, how many believers have disarmed themselves away from the Word Of God, for 30 others 60 and many 100 fold money back guarantee.
Don't forget this isn't about you, nor the poor, nor the needy, neither the hungry-the worldly system is about money. And who controls it "the beast? {Revelation 13}

This Sunday in Church , take your 'Tithes' and Offerings to Church.

When the service gets to the Malachi 3 session, look for anyone around you who has real needs, and give your tithes and offerings to them.

Better still ask the ushers or pastors to ask the following people to come forward :

- Mothers who do not know where the next meal for the family will come from
- Fathers who have lost their Jobs
- Widows who have no husbands
- Orphans who have no parents.
- Students who are barely eating talk less of paying school fees
- Those who wear rags or who have no shoes
- the homeless and destitute.

Do not give it to the ushers or take it to the front of the church , give it to these people, these are GOD's children who have real needs, yes, they are the ones who need your money, your spare clothes and shoes, extra cars etc.

I repeat, do not give a dime to your church or pastor and let us see how they will react !!!!

Christianity Etc › Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by brocab: 11:35pm On Oct 18, 2016*

Its a shame that tithers believe Money belongs to the Father God.
One question you should ask yourselves 'would a Mother or a father give to their Children expecting it back? All do you give to your Children the things they need or the little surprises you feel they deserve, because you love them so much?
God our Father does the same. He doesn't give, expecting you, to give it back to Him.
Satan made the money, not God, and if you are believing you are giving back his money, then you have borrowed under the financial Act, returning the money you borrowed back to the money master with an interest of 10%.
Can't you Christians see money is all part of the system, from Caesar's coin to the dollar, the credit cards, soon the mark of the beast, or working side by side without it you can't but or sell.
Most of you have been tithing most of your lives believing God will Bless you with that same abundance your Church receives.
Can't you work it out? Satan is a liar, you will never receive anything from him until you kneel down to him.
[color=#000000]Don't forget he ask Jesus to bow down to him, and he promised all the kingdoms of this world, Jesus said get behind Me Satan, you shall worship your God and Him only you shall serve.[/color]
HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE SAID GET BEHIND ME SATAN? HOW MANY OF YOU RECEIVED LYING TONGUES TO GOD'S PEOPLE ABOUT YOUR ABUNDANCE OF THE TITHING LIE THAT YOU YOURSELVES RECEIVED FROM HIM YOUR MASTER? HOW MANY OF YOU HAD BOWED DOWN TO SATAN?
Prosperity preachers, Pastors, teachers, evangelist, prophets, apostles, disciples that preach tithing is about money, and are receiving it with abundance "from you" building mega Churches, homes and buying mega property's and buying mega planes, cars and Harley's have bowed down to their master-Satan.
The Father Blesses His Children with the abundance of His Love, not Money. Jesus always preached about the love of God.
{Matthew 6:24} No one can serve two masters at the same time.
But you tithers worship two masters. Some 30, some 60, most 100 % money back guarantee.

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 1:07am On Oct 18, 2016*

{Luke 1:35} And the angel answered and said unto her, the Holy Spirit shall come upon you, and the power of the highest shall overshadow you: therefore also that the Holy One, who is to be born will be called the son of God. {Can Everyone understand this, the Holy one who is to be born "will be called the Son of God? The scripture directly tells us He was "Called" the Son of God, not that He is the Son of God}
{Luke 1:31-43} Elizabeth heard the greetings of Mary, the babe leaped in Her womb; and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit, then she spoke out with a loud voice and said "Bless are you among women, and bless is the fruit of your womb, but why is this granted to me, the Mother of My Lord shall come to me? {Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit, and before the baby was born she knew through the Spirit of God He was Lord} This proves Jesus IS...

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Christianity Etc › Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by brocab: 9:31am On Oct 17, 2016

Tithers give back money to their master anyway, and it isn't God.
God didn't make money, Nor does He need Money. Money is all part of the system, from Caesars Coin, for exchange of the dollar, and then to the credit card, and soon to the mark of the beast, without it, you can't buy or sell.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Catholic Pope Francis- There Is No Heaven Or Hell And Adam And Eve Not Real by brocab: 11:27pm On Oct 16, 2016*

I find it strange about you Catholic's and your beliefs you seem to believe the Pope is some sort of a god, And His the only apostle, a disciple of Jesus left on this planet. And of course He must queue behind Peter, James and John to be relevant, as you say?
This is how it sounds' you believe without the Pope, you can't get yourself into Heaven. The Pope is the head and you are his body.
Are you really listening to yourself when writing this stuff, Jesus disciples are every where, back then He had 12, in our days Jesus has millions. Some apostles some prophets, some evangelist some teachers, some apostles, everyone of us are His disciples by faith we are working for the Lord. Bringing in thousands daily into all truth as Christ had taught us through His Holy Spirit.
Jesus Christ is the King of all kings, we worship Him and Him only we shall serve.
Our human leaders in a Church building are just men, the Pope is just a man, and I find it strange Catholic's worship a man, who had been chosen by other men to be the head of the Vatican of Rome.
Only Jesus can save us, not the Pope, only through Jesus we can enter into the throne room of God, not through the Pope. Plus the news reports carries across our nations, its live on you tube, the Pope's words were we don't need Jesus to go into heaven. {That is a statement and a half, if that's the case we wouldn't need the Pope neither, nor anybody to lead us all into Christ.}
Catholic meaning universal, which only means universal around the world, universal believers believe, the Catholic Church is part of every denomination that believes, and all those who don't truly believe, usually uses Jesus's name as their tool to draw people in, some believe the archangel Micheal is Jesus-none of that is written in the bible-which of the angels did God ever say you are my son, and which of the angels did God ever say sit here on My right side-None.
The Catholic Church, uses other methods to draw people in, they use the apostle Peter's name to catch them, then the Mary story begins, and praying to the dead saints along with the rosaries is another, and again none of that is written in the bible.
AND YET THE BIBLE IS OUR TOOL TO HAVE A DIRECT LINE TO GOD.
Truly if people had more sense they would study up about the Catholic Churches theories, and some of these other denominations people really need to consider why there are so many of different churches and why none seem to line up with each other here on earth?
Truly your Churches would be empty, but as usual people just don't read bibles, they seemed to be brainwashed as they believe going to church will save them, and God will take them into heaven. Most people believe reading the bible is so complicated , it's not, the bible was written for Children to understand, don't forget we are all Children of God.
The bottom line is the Church does not teach people about Christ, and the churches knows without people reading their bibles, they will never know the truth.
God said we all need to become born again believers before we could enter into the Kingdom of God, How many denominations read their bibles, or should we say how many denominations prefer to teach another doctrine, and not the truth that even Jesus's Himself and His disciples were Murdered for.
Some denominations have rewritten their own bibles, leaving out the truth about the Word Of God these are the best parts about Jesus.
Most denominations believe good works, gives them the rights into heaven, but the Bible reads. {Without having faith, works is dead}
I am only one man-but to be called universal in all religions, could only mean truly none believe in the truth as Christ is the truth.
We have many disbelievers that refuses Christ with a passion-if the Pope believes you don't need Jesus to go into heaven, then the world will never end and the bible is just a book, and nothing I have written above exist, nor none of us are really living.
SO IF WE ARE ALL UNIVERSAL AND THE CATHOLIC'S BELIEVE WE WERE ALL CATHOLIC'S FROM THE BEGINNING, THEN THIS PROVES YOUR HIGH PRIEST IS CALLING THE BIBLE A LIE. because every non believer and all religious denominations are all part of the Universal Catholic Church from the beginning on earth.
No wonder Jesus said in {John 18:36} His kingdom isn't of this world.SO OF ALL THOSE WHO HAVE GIVEN THEMSELVES OVER TO CHRIST AND BELIEVED BECOMING A BORN AGAIN BELIEVER, THEN MY MESSAGE TO YOU IS OUR KINGDOM ISN'T FROM THIS WORLD EITHER, AND WE NEVER BELONGED TO THE UNIVERSAL CATHOLIC CHURCH FROM THE BEGINNING NEITHER.

orunto27:
The Pope is an Apostle of Christ Jesus. And he must queue behind Peter, James and John to be relevant. God is The Beginning and The End. He is The Teacher(Instructor) and The Distinguishing(Discerning) Spirit for us all. Discernment is the Husband Spirit of Understanding and Father of Life. He who has Jesus has LIFE, DISCERNMENT AND UNDERSTANDING.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Catholic Pope Francis- There Is No Heaven Or Hell And Adam And Eve Not Real by brocab: 10:04pm On Oct 14, 2016*

I like what you say but tell me which God does the Pope worship? When the computer is running full speed at a much faster rate, and people are filming real live stage stories such as these, this is sang in Latin-so of course you may know how to understand the Latin language more clearly then I, but the young priest is worshipping Lucifer, and not God..Then it's people like you and I need to wonder why, is the world coming to a end, and God Himself is showing His People His truth, whom we must worship, Jesus said you shall worship One God and Him only you shall serve.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcpVrtv2t-M.
This isn't the finish of it, we believers haven't yet started to watch how many Christians will deny Christ when the time comes, even our own beloved Christian families will betrayed us..
So we need to be watchmen and be careful about who we all worship, none of us want to be side tracked away from God we serve.
Lucifer isn't God, but a falling angel who can come to us as a Spirit of Light. Discernment comes with the Spirit of God. So my friend have you got discernment?

orunto27:
Let's learn from the fact that The God The Pope and I worship is always capable of raising millions of Soldiers from ordinary stones when ever He needs them. That same God produces Prophets, Priests, Son, Disciples, Friends and Apostles to serve His purposes. God is The Instructor, Director and The Discernment for humans. He instructs, directs and discerns human Lives through Dreams, Visions, Inspirations etcetera. So God is capable of bringing forth greater Prophets, Apostles and Messengers greater than The Pope. "He who is least in the Kingdom of Heaven is greater than he".

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 11:15pm On Oct 13, 2016

So now I pray you understand, Mr Miss Emasearu?
The problem is your Church holds on to the longest heart breaking news through out the hole world, and many millions have forgiven, but the Catholic Church has a pass no-one will forget easy.
In My country the Catholic Church decided they didn't want blacks anywhere to be found, they made life difficult for black people we weren't allowed not even stand on their own land, nor claim any land that belonged to them, after the white man invaded the country, the white man made rules and regulations, that the black man didn't understand, because of the different languages.
The Black people were ordered to be slaughtered, murdered, Molested and raped, and families were throwing of mountains, within the thousands, hundreds daily.
Children were shot on sight-families of men women and children were taken away from their Families as slaves. Chained together-so no-one could escape-the freedom they once knew was taken away from them by the Catholic Church and authorised by the Government, A law was granted to shoot all black people on site.
Now this didn't happen in one country but most countries such as Africa, America, England, and other parts of the world, this came directly from the Catholic Church working side by side with the governments who had stolen the lands.
The Catholic Church had this crazy idea to mix whites with blacks, so eventually the black man will become lighter in colour to wipe out the black people completely.
IN MY COUNTRY IT WAS CALLED THE STOLEN GENERATION.
In the 60's I and my two elder brothers was Stolen away, we were sentenced, prolonged in a prison type mission with large fences and walls around us, no-one could get in and no-one could escape, but it didn't stop anyone trying too, my eldest was raped constantly by the Catholic Priests, or in the name of the Catholic Church, he managed to escape and managed not to be found, forty five years, later he found his way home. to a home of a family with lost identities.
I also escaped five times between 4 to 6 years old and I was beating, and made to wear shoes much smaller then my foot size, each time the authorities had brought me back. The Nuns of the Catholic Church would stand me in front of the other Children shamed and beating.
The Catholic Church took everything away from us, even a God that was supposed to be so loving he would beat His own Child and beat him/her until they finished.
But later in life the Lord took hold of me, and of course my sister she's resting with the lord today, praise the Lord for ever more...
And through knowledge and His wisdom, I can understand the differences between your God and the True God in heaven. Your god is from this world, my God is from above.
With "you tube" a live video of who the Catholic Church truly worships, in the Latin language.
This is the god who took millions of innocent souls with him in hell without a thought..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcpVrtv2t-M

Emasearu:
I couldn't access the file either. Please download it instead. There's an option for that.

Christianity Etc › Re: Tithes And Offerings Are Eternal Principles by brocab: 8:54am On Oct 13, 2016

Tithes and offerings are eternal principles?
But it isn't written in the bible.

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Christianity Etc › Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by brocab: 10:57pm On Oct 11, 2016*

If people really believe the money came from God think again, if the money system was really from God, then why did Jesus keep on repeating Himself about the Money issues?
You can't worship Mammon and God at the same time, Jesus said to Judas give the 30 pieces of silver to the poor, He told His disciples to carry nothing in their money belts, and Jesus said it is easier for a camel to go through an eye of a needle, then for a rich man to go into the kingdom of heaven, He spoke to the young rich man, and the rich man said he does all these things, Jesus then said, give all what you have and come follow Me, the rich put his head down and walked away.
Peter said silver and Gold I do not have, but what I can give you is, In the name of Jesus get up and walk, in minutes the man walked, try asking your doctor to operate on someone who can't walk, without the cash flow.
Jesus said men of corrupt minds destitute of the the truth, who suppose that godliness is their means of gain, Jesus said-from such withdraw yourselves.
If money was made by God, "Satan offered Jesus all the kingdoms on Earth, only if Jesus would bow down to Him, Jesus said, get behind Me Satan, you shall worship your God and Him only you shall serve. If money was made from God, Jesus would have taken up on the opportunity Satan had offered, and built mega Churches, and mansion, like your Pastors and the prosperity preachers do today.
Preachers teach you bible stories that is un-biblical, bring all your money into the storehouse, so everybody prospers.
Jesus said you brought nothing into this world and surely you can't take nothing out of it. But what you can take is the love of God out of it. The Lord said the dead will raise first, and those who are left on Earth will meet them in the clouds.
Jesus said give to Cesar what belongs to Cesar and give to God what belongs to God. Jesus said seek and it shall be given, knock and it shall be open, the kingdom of God is about the Word Of God.
The money issues doesn't belong to God, its all part of the system, from Cesar's coin to the large amounts of the cash flow, to credit cards, soon the mark of the beast all working side by side, working on the same principles. Without it you can't buy or sell.
And all you tithers who claim you are giving your money back to God, Which God, Satan came to destroy kill and steal.
Think about it?

Christianity Etc › Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by brocab: 10:28pm On Oct 11, 2016*

Christianity Etc › Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by brocab: 10:23pm On Oct 11, 2016*

The tithers keep on using the story of Abraham, as a tool to help support their God to draw in a cash flow into the Church-these crazy stories are from tithers that don't study the Word Of God.
Abraham gave 10% to the high priest only because it was a custom to give the tithe, 10% of sheep goats and the first fruits of the harvest.
And then he gave everything else to the kings that didn't belong to Abraham. Everything!
Because Abraham knew none of it belonged to God, and of course it didn't belong to Abraham, God had blessed Abraham because Abraham believed God and worshipped God multiple times.
These days Churches are teaching the wrong messages, and people are receiving the wrong attitude, tithing 10% to retrieve 30, 60, 100 fold back guarantee.
Would tithers be like Abraham given all what He had, or would they keep a little just in case?

Christianity Etc › Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by brocab: 10:20pm On Oct 11, 2016

Christianity Etc › Re: Did God Create Money? by brocab: 10:12pm On Oct 11, 2016

brocab:
No he didn't create the money, if God created Money, he wouldn't say you cant worship mammon and God at the same time, He also said give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar and give to God what belongs to God. If God created Money, he would receive it with gladness, but He didn't He told Judas, to give the 30 pieces of sliver to the Poor, He also said it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, then for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Peter said to the poor man sitting at the gates, silver and Gold I do not have, but what I can give you, in the name of Jesus get up and walk, even by this alone, the bible is teaching us Jesus wanted us to be rich in the Word Of God, not in the Money riches of this world, it takes a lot of cash money to operate on somebody who can't walk, all Peter said in the name of Jesus get up and walk. And the man walked in the matter of seconds. Try and see if your doctor can do miracles such as these without money.
Jesus say's in {Timothy 6:3} Men of corrupted minds destitute of the truth who suppose that Godliness is the means of gain. From such with draw yourselves.
Jesus also says Money can be used for all kinds of evil. If money was our source of bread, Jesus would have taken up the deal with Satan and built His mansions on earth like every other prosperity preacher who had sold their souls to Satan.
Don't forget Satan offered Jesus the world only if Jesus bowed down to him, Jesus said Satan get behind Me, you shall worship your God and Him only you shall serve.
The problem is in most Churches people are given their money away to the wrong God, and Churches are preaching the wrong messages, tithing 10% and asking God in return asking back either 30, some 60, some 100 fold money back guarantee.
Tithers believe God made everything, and He did, but the problem is Satan's kingdom is side by side twisting and turning the word of God around so God's people believe money is their only source to survive, don't forget credit cards are used more and more, and who's idea is the mark of the beast 666? The money system from Caesar's coin all working together gathering up the Lord's people to burn in hell with Satan and His falling angels.
I am a Christian and with my own experience, not told by God Himself, I was informed by the Church that tithing was scripture'd and we are all here to tithe, through this lie I believed like everyone else believe tithing is a money back guarantee. I watched people selling their homes and lands, because the pastors from all denominations would delivery send them the wrong messages from Satan himself, that put everyone in a det situation, paying of their homes lands cars they never really owned. But the banks were making the %.
{Matthew 17:24-25} After Jesus and His disciples arrived in Capernaum, those who received the temple tax came to Peter and said does your teacher not pay taxes. He said yes? Taxes were paid differently in each country.
And when he had come into the house Jesus anticipated him, saying what do you think Simon? From whom do you think the kings of the Earth take Customs {Tithes} or Taxes, from their sons or from strangers? Peter said to Him from strangers, Jesus then said to him then the Sons are free. So we see without Jesus having an argument Jesus sent Peter down to catch the first fish to pay the temple tax. Jesus wasn't Happy. Look what Jesus done to the money changers, in the temple.
If money was made and created from God, Jesus wouldn't had said then the sons are free. Are we not Sons of God? Are we free or are we in bondage?
Jesus kept on about people with money, He said we can't worship both mammon and God.
The money belongs to Satan, Satan does the opposite to God's will, God made the tree's the herbs and the seeds, because it was good-He made the Garden of Eden freely so we could eat from it.
Satan's falling angels helped men to make money, banks and Credit unions, loaners, and other saucers to make a percentage, {Does this sound like the money system God made?} Millions of people everyday are starting to be a wear of the higher % each week, banks are building more banks and all raising the stakes, everything such as food, clothing, etc, is raising at a much higher rate everyday, while our wages are on the low, the rich become richer and the poor becomes poorer, soon no-one will afford to live. People are already living on the streets begging for their own survival. While Satan uses the rich to build above, and he also uses the poor to build below. The world is becoming like in the days of Noah.
Think about it....

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Christianity Etc › Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by brocab: 1:51pm On Oct 11, 2016*

Lets go back through time, the garden of Eden was a place of free willed giving, A Father preaches and gave His Children freely. Like He gave us the Word Of God freely.
Now lets go forward in time, the garden of Eden no long exist, greedy fathers priest, pastors, preachers men of God that preach the Word Of God unfreely. This is all we need is people like you preaching a doctrine of Satan, Satan is the head of the Money system, the card system and the chip system, all of these run side by side with each other, you can't buy or sell without it.
Every time someone preaches about tithing they twist and lie about the truth, and how sad, people like you, are drawing people further away from God Himself. Haven't you heard what the Atheist say, the Churches just want your money, How do we bring people into the house of God when all you do, is preach about the cash flow.
Your joy is to support a money back guarantee system. Tithers give 10% expecting 30, 60, or 100 fold cash back guarantee.
If Money was meant to be our source to survive, Then Jesus would have told us so, but He didn't He spoke more against the cash flow, none of His scriptures line up the the tithers messages, seeking His kingdom is about the Word Of God.
Read the scriptures bro, Melchuzedek was not Jesus, Abraham gave 10% to him because it was the custom to do so in those days, each country had different laws, and he gave the rest to the kings-only because Abraham knew the gold the silver didn't belong to God, nor Himself, Abraham was a blessed man because Abraham believed who his Father in heaven is.
Its the Word Of God that sets us free, not your money system.

Image123:
Pay your tithes.There's no need to beat around the bush.Hebrews compares Christ to Melchizedek and says he is greater than the Levites.So today we pay our tithes to Christ and don't have to send it to Shiloh temple or to some Isreali rabbi

Christianity Etc › Re: Did God Create Money? by brocab: 4:23am On Oct 10, 2016*

No" God's kingdom and Satan kingdom is working side by side, God made everything, and Satan abuses everything-Satan came to destroy kill and steal, Satan's falling angels taught men how to build weapons of destruction, from swords to atomic bombs.
Satan also made the cash flow, from tree's that gives us food and medicine God created. Satan and his falling angels uses people to abuse what is good, to create other means of use, even to the point of murdering man, from God's creation.
Satan's plan is to kill steal and destroy, Satan is here to abused all of God's creation as we know it, no-one can buy and sell without money nor without the credit cards system soon the mark of the beast, all three work on the same principles. Christians believe God made everything and He did, God gives us life, and Satan takes away our life. Christians believe giving money back to God blesses them, the question is? Which god blesses them..
Think about it?

Bastage:
No? You claim that man made money but if you're a Christian, you would also claim that God made man.
Is God not therefore responsible for indirectly creating money?

Christianity Etc › Re: Did God Create Money? by brocab: 3:53am On Oct 10, 2016*

No he didn't create the money, if God created Money, he wouldn't say you cant worship mammon and God at the same time, He also said give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar and give to God what belongs to God. If God created Money, he would receive it with gladness, but He didn't He told Judas, to give the 30 pieces of sliver to the Poor, He also said it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, then for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Peter said to the poor man sitting at the gates, silver and Gold I do not have, but what I can give you, in the name of Jesus get up and walk, even by this alone, the bible is teaching us Jesus wanted us to be rich in the Word Of God, not in the Money riches of this world, it takes a lot of cash money to operate on somebody who can't walk, all Peter said in the name of Jesus get up and walk. And the man walked in the matter of seconds. Try and see if your doctor can do miracles such as these without money.
Jesus say's in {Timothy 6:3} Men of corrupted minds destitute of the truth who suppose that Godliness is the means of gain. From such with draw yourselves.
Jesus also says Money can be used for all kinds of evil. If money was our source of bread, Jesus would have taken up the deal with Satan and built His mansions on earth like every other prosperity preacher who had sold their souls to Satan.
Don't forget Satan offered Jesus the world only if Jesus bowed down to him, Jesus said Satan get behind Me, you shall worship your God and Him only you shall serve.
The problem is in most Churches people are given their money away to the wrong God, and Churches are preaching the wrong messages, tithing 10% and asking God in return asking back either 30, some 60, some 100 fold money back guarantee.
Tithers believe God made everything, and He did, but the problem is Satan's kingdom is side by side twisting and turning the word of God around so God's people believe money is their only source to survive, don't forget credit cards are used more and more, and who's idea is the mark of the beast 666? The money system from Caesar's coin all working together gathering up the Lord's people to burn in hell with Satan and His falling angels.
I am a Christian and with my own experience, not told by God Himself, I was informed by the Church that tithing was scripture'd and we are all here to tithe, through this lie I believed like everyone else believe tithing is a money back guarantee. I watched people selling their homes and lands, because the pastors from all denominations would delivery send them the wrong messages from Satan himself, that put everyone in a det situation, paying of their homes lands cars they never really owned. But the banks were making the %.
{Matthew 17:24-25} After Jesus and His disciples arrived in Capernaum, those who received the temple tax came to Peter and said does your teacher not pay taxes. He said yes? Taxes were paid differently in each country.
And when he had come into the house Jesus anticipated him, saying what do you think Simon? From whom do you think the kings of the Earth take Customs {Tithes} or Taxes, from their sons or from strangers? Peter said to Him from strangers, Jesus then said to him then the Sons are free. So we see without Jesus having an argument Jesus sent Peter down to catch the first fish to pay the temple tax. Jesus wasn't Happy. Look what Jesus done to the money changers, in the temple.
If money was made and created from God, Jesus wouldn't had said then the sons are free. Are we not Sons of God? Are we free or are we in bondage?
Jesus kept on about people with money, He said we can't worship both mammon and God.
The money belongs to Satan, Satan does the opposite to God's will, God made the tree's the herbs and the seeds, because it was good-He made the Garden of Eden freely so we could eat from it.
Satan's falling angels helped men to make money, banks and Credit unions, loaners, and other saucers to make a percentage, {Does this sound like the money system God made?} Millions of people everyday are starting to be a wear of the higher % each week, banks are building more banks and all raising the stakes, everything such as food, clothing, etc, is raising at a much higher rate everyday, while our wages are on the low, the rich become richer and the poor becomes poorer, soon no-one will afford to live. People are already living on the streets begging for their own survival. While Satan uses the rich to build above, and he also uses the poor to build below. The world is becoming like in the days of Noah.
Think about it....

dgreatrock:
considering what people go through, do or experience just to have money i sort of wonder such thing was really created by God.
One is never satisfied with it, if you have a $1,000, today you find yourself seeking for $2,000 in the next instance. i dont know how it is with you and what your views might be, but i cant stop wondering if God created it.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 1:31am On Oct 10, 2016*

If you can't come up with the suite yourself, then it isn't worth reading it, and of course I am not hunting it down.
The Catholic Church means nothing to me, I have read its past, and of course I have studied today's future, and I myself have experienced the ends and outs of the Catholic Church.
I and many millions were involved in the stolen generation in my country as a child without choice, taken away from my Ma and placed in a mission, orchestrate's by the Catholic Church, white Catholic people who claim they were men and women of God, who wanted to change God's creation, to a world by blending White people with black people, so the blacks will eventually vanish away.
Brainwashing was used as a tool through force, using government departments to change birth places and Identities, so we half cast would live in a world of loneliness.
Some made it home, others escaped into the wildness, many were murdered, most torched and beating, and thousand were sexually abused all in the name of the Catholic Church. Is this the God the Church you worship? Satan comes to destroy kill and steal.
If you had studied hard enough, you will find through history this is still continualing today, everyday somewhere Children are vanishing from their homes, parks, at birth, or hospitals. Fathers and Mothers are lied too, telling them their Child had pasted away..
It was the Catholic Church that supported Hitler and His army after the war, All in the name of the Catholic Church {White Power} To prove this Mary and Jesus are white people inside the Catholic Church..
Everywhere around the world, it was the darker people who were put through slavery, not the Whiles. Most of the Jewish people were slaved, God took Moses and the Jewish darkest and the dark blown people out of Egypt, to set them free..
And who set me free "Jesus" free from the bondage's and the baggage's that the other denominations that lay all their burdens upon the born again believers.

Emasearu:
I couldn't access the file either. Please download it instead. There's an option for that.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 10:25pm On Oct 08, 2016*

This maybe along page for you to read, but hey its worth the read....
Great you have given me a suite I can not open, your suite page won't allow me to open it, This is all I need, see the problem is, we all call ourselves Christians, and of course we are from completely different denominations, and with this, somewhere someone will always, search for the truth about God 'which draws us towards only His truth, which sometimes turns out to be a argument between other denominations that don't search for the truth and follow after different belief's, as been taught. God gave us all a choice, and it's our choice to accept His truth, or not.
God can speak through anybody, He spoke through a donkey, So it doesn't matter which denomination we are from, as long as we believe in His truth, and stand on His word, worship Him and Him only we shall serve. Then we have nothing to worry about..
But the problem is other denominations sometimes like to interpreted the bible another way, some change and rewrite another book, Like the JW's and the Mormons, even the Catholic's have different books other then the bible God had written .
But the truth is, reading other interpretations can make life a little difficult, because your Church expects their followers to learn other then the bible.
Which of course confuses you and the Word Of God. Like the Mary story and praying to dead saints. This is someone else's interpretation, and not God's.
If we choose to follow after another, then our denominations are separated, and someone somewhere will find faults between such, which cause's confusion inside each Church.
My name is St brocab, I have the same name as St Peter, I am also another disciple, but from a different era. 2000 years apart, but I am also speaking these same Words Peter spoke of the Word of God. Of course He knew Jesus personally, and he seen many things Jesus had done and said, but we both have something in common we both received His Holy Spirit, I myself have a personal relationship with Jesus, and in return Jesus has a personal relationship with me too. By my faith I have is my witness, Jesus works through me, and the many millions of true believers, He works through them too.
We are all like St Peter and the rest of Jesus's personal disciples back then, the great men of God had spread His gospel until now, all were filled with the Spirit of God, Like we believers are today, Finishing what they had started..
And without the support of others {Even dead Saints} I can enter into God's throne room too {Hebrews 4:16} Let us approach God's throne of Grace with confidence, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help us, in our time of need.
Jesus made us all into Saints {Colossians 1:12} Given thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the Saints of lights.
{1 peter 2:9} But you are the chosen people, a royal Priesthood, a holy nation, a people for Gods own procession, to proclaim virtues of Him who called you out of darkness into His Marvellous light.
You will love this one-This one is good. {1 peter 4:11} If anyone speaks he should speak as One, conveying the Words Of God, of anyone serves he should serve with the strength God supplies, so that in all things God may be Glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be the glory and the power forever and ever. Amen...
{Revelation 1:6} And he made us Kings and Priest unto God and His Father, to him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen..
So you see we are from different denominations and not everybody will agree with teachings that doesn't belong to the Word Of God.
So it is important to me, that while you write, you are writing the Word Of God, not words that don't belong, the Gates of Hades will not prevail against the Church of God, 'which is the Word.
Jesus said one must be born again { Meaning born from above} before he/she can enter into the kingdom of God. He said it as clear as it sounds, He never said one must be born into a Church, either Catholic JW's Mormons Muslims, whatever..

Emasearu:
I made you an audio message in response to your questions about St Peter: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BwFl55DuNZQBMkFLczBnZXRTV2M

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 12:41am On Oct 08, 2016

It doesn't matter if the Holocaust is mention by the Pope, its written. History is always written down.
And those who have been through the Holocaust, or have been through any of the systems of the Catholic Church, it wouldn't matter if the Pope is apologising, the world don't see, if the world don't hear.
The problem is, most of the Catholic priest are still doing the things they were doing since the Church began.
Read the news papers, or listen to you tube, this is world news coming from all directions that our local news refuses to report under Government authorities of course.
Priest are Molesting Children, Sacrificing young Children and murdering them inside the Vatican, We always here Children are going missing all the time, have you heard of Child trafficking, this is all global. The Pope already started that war you are refferring too, this time his war is against Children.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxApRuTn0Lc
True repentance, doesn't continual.
See you have only given me Emails addresses, that someone else interprets, just pictures that doesn't mean anything to the public, I am giving you the proper news. And when we see or hear the Pope apologising to the public, he is only apologising for the past.

Emasearu:
Pope Francis has "not" been silent about the persecution of Christians. Maybe you just didn't know about that. Some proof: http://m.thenigerianvoice.com/movie/175015/3/on-good-friday-pope-decries-persecution-of-christi.html , http://en.radiovaticana.va/news/2016/04/12/pope_francis_persecution_is_the_churchs_daily_bread/1222155 . I hope you don't want him to start a war or something.
About the Pope keeping quiet about the Holocaust, I haven't heard about that. Secondly, being a man of God -- or a Pope in this case -- doesn't make one sinless or impeccable. We men are still prone to committing sin. The grace of God on our lives helps us to overcome temptation, but as fallen creatures, we still do fall into sin. "Infallibility" on the hand means the Pope is protected from error by God, when he makes a public proclamation relating to doctrine or morals that is to be binding on all the faithful. However, infallibility is not limited to when the pope communicates by speaking.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 10:43pm On Oct 07, 2016*

{Genesis 3:15} Are you really free?
It was because of Eve and Adam disobedience to the Lord God, so He cast them out of the garden, but you haven't showing me where in the bible it say's Mary is sinless, nor have you showing me where it says we pray to dead saints.
It isn't any good trying to find verses that doesn't line up with the word of God, Mary was the Mother of Jesus, yes we all know the story as it is written, it was only because of Her faith towards God the Father put His seed and She received the Holy Spirit God inside Her as a young child, She was around 16 years of age, not much more.
Yes She looked after Jesus, as well as Joe had done, Joe didn't touch Mary sexually until Jesus was born, and of course Joe and Mary had other Children, and Jesus was the Oldest.
And the age of 12 years we here of Jesus again preaching the word of God at the festival, Mary and Joe Looked for Jesus for 3 day's and after finding Him, Jesus said why were you looking for Me, don't you know I am here doing My father's business.
Jesus knew His Father wasn't of this world, and word of God was the words He spoke that we all know is still saving the world..
Eve and Adam were sent to multiply even after they sinned against God through their disobedience, Mothers were multiplying in sin, and Mary and Joe, multiplied having other Children. If Mary was sinless Her other Children would be sinless too.
Jesus said He was doing His Fathers business, not Joe's, nor His Mother business, so if Jesus worshipped His Mother more than His Father in heaven, I may then understand why the Catholic's worship Mary more then Jesus and His Father in heaven, and maybe I could understand why you pray to dead saints, to support your needs to the Father in heaven.
But because your stories are to far fetched, and none of it lines up with the word of God, I just don't believe in your doctrine of lies.
{Luke 4:8} Jesus answered and said unto him, Get behind Me Satan, for it is written, You shall worship the Lord your God and Him only you shall serve.
And this scripture surely tells me not to worship after other God's, not even female Goddess.

Emasearu:
Genesis chapter 3 verse 15. Consider the "woman" and the word "enmity".

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 9:17pm On Oct 06, 2016*

Even in the Kenneth-hensley quote said the scriptures are the inspired word of God.
The second topic again Kenneth Hensley didn't have the Spirit of God in His heart to even realise one must be born again, before he/she can enter into the kingdom of God. So he reborn-ed himself into a Catholic Church, what you aren't understanding once we receive the Spirit of God, it's to hard to leave the Spirit behind and follow after another denomination. Ask Kenneth Hensley if he was born again?
And what you aren't understanding Hensley nor you, the apostles didn't do anything on their own authority, it was God that spoke through them..And it was their faith they received through Jesus that God was speaking through and with them..

Emasearu:
. The Christian faith is not a Bible-alone faith. Brother, here's why: http://www.catholic.com/blog/kenneth-hensley/why-i%E2%80%99m-catholic-sola-scriptura-isn%E2%80%99t-scriptural-part-i and
http://www.catholic.com/blog/kenneth-hensley/why-im-catholic-the-foundational-error-of-sola-scriptura Your Bible-alone philosophy is not even _in_ the Bible.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 9:08pm On Oct 06, 2016*

I understand which scriptures you are preferring too, but the problem is your doctrine isn't the same as the doctrine of Christ.
You mediate on Mary not Jesus, you pray to the dead saints, there is no scripture in the bible where we are to worship or pray to dead people.This is where you are getting yourself confused.
{Luke 10:16} Jesus said who ever listens to you listens to Me. Can you explain where Jesus said pray to Mary, and the dead saints?
Jesus built His Church on the word of God, not the apostles. It was the apostles who received the Spirit of God, that Jesus claims He will be with them until at the end of this age. {THE APOSTLES ARE FILLED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT} Sin can not enter into the kingdom of Heaven.
Haven't you read {1 Corinthians 2:14} This one may interest you from the AMP bible {But the natural unbelieving Man does [NOT ACCEPT THE THINGS THE TEACHINGS AND REVELATIONS OF THE SPIRIT OF GOD} for they are foolishness {ABSURD AND ILLOGICAL} to Him, and Jesus is incapable in understanding them, because they are Spiritually discerned, and appreciated {AND JESUS IS UNQUALIFIED TO JUDGE SPIRITUAL MATTERS} We can't talk about Spiritual matters to someone who refuses to believe.
Firstly you say to speak with God, then you say to go straight back to the magisterial which your Church established.
Meaning you pray directly back to Mary asking Her to ask God for your salvation. Which clearly shows, you don't trust God enough to handle the situation Himself. God doesn't live in buildings He lives in the hearts of people.

Emasearu:
Luke10: 16. Jesus said to his disciples, “Whoever listens to you listens to me; whoever rejects you rejects me; and whoever rejects me rejects the one who sent me.” The word of the Magisterium is not the word of men, but of God. The Lord Jesus built his church on the Apostles, whom he said he would be with until the end of the age . (see Eph. 2:20)
With regards to praying to the Holy Spirit, that's something I do, but the Holy Spirit is not to give "me" infallible insight or understanding into/of Scripture and other things pertaining to our salvation. Jesus said that that would be for his disciples (the 12, and those after them), because "they" are the teaching authority not me. I once found myself in error, for I had thought that just because I prayed to God before reading the Bible I would get the correct understanding of what I read. God does give some the gift of Bible-interpretation, but (the) teaching authority remains with the Magisterium which He established.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 8:11pm On Oct 06, 2016*

But the only problem is, you have given me these scriptures below, but your ways of interpreting is quoted on a much different level then the true meanings of what Jesus had said, matter of fact the Catholic Church teachers another doctrine, that uses the scriptures to interpret them on a much lower level to draw people in.
As proven" So what you aren't receiving is as simple as this" You claim Peter built your house? But what you don't claim is how He built your house.
I have been telling you all along and you still can't understand it in your own mind, who built the house of God.
Well I am going to explain it to you, you either agree with Me or not, it doesn't matter, Peter is just a simple man of flesh and blood, the only strength Peter had is having the Spirit of God inside Him that made Him strong. Peter himself done nothing, but it was the Spirit of God that built His house. Not Peters house. {WHICH IS THE WORD OF GOD} it's the word of God that built all houses that people gather together inside His house. Without the word of God, your house is built on nothing.
People don't build God's House, God builds His own house. His house is built only on the word of God-And without the word of God in Peter, Peter is just flesh and blood like you. Peter done nothing.
And because of the word of God that was in Peter the church murdered him through Emperor Nero. Along with Paul...Why I ask' if you believe your Church is so great?
Without God in this world we wouldn't exist, But the funny thing about your church claims is the church murdered Peter the Pope to raise another and another, who continual'ed to destroy God's own people in the larges killing spree ever done across the world. {Why we must ask, it was only because Peter knew the truth about Christ}
Between 1939-45 your Pope sat down shaking hands with the enemy, your Pope's allowed God's own people to be slaughtered butchered and Murdered. While you yourself have chosen to worship after your Pope's as they are your God's on earth.
Satan knows the bible from back to front, Jesus saves, Satan destroy's, what more can I say....And you were baptised under the Churches banner. One who worships after the Mother of God Queen of Heaven. Mary your mediator your saints that could only answer your prayers. And you are trying to convince me you believe, believe in whom?
Have you ever heard of this saying {Least we forget}
If we looked deeply into the history of the Catholic Church, and If I was criminal minded, I myself wouldn't chase after any other church, unless I knew I could be like a murder or a thief, that allows me to kill, destroy and lie against the God that ever existed. I would want to be one of the top students to do what your Church does so well.

Emasearu:
Note: you and I quote from an "English" version of the Bible. Since when did "you" represent "words" and not "persons" or "a person? Doesn't Cephas or Kephas (Peter's new name) mean a 'rock'? Please don't twist the words there to fit your interpretation.
I've been doing a lot of Bible-quoting, but the truth is my Christian faith stands on: the Bible, Sacred Apostolic Tradition, and Public Revelation. So I would hate to imply that if something's is not (explicitly) stated in the Bible, then it's wrong. See 2 Tim. 2:2, 2 Thess. 2:15, 1 Cor. 11:2. (source of my Bible quotes: www.catholic.com)

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Catholics Pray Through Mary by brocab: 7:06pm On Oct 06, 2016

Jusmudi:
Hw many origin 4 u

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 10:46pm On Oct 05, 2016*

{Matthew 16:13-20} Having the larges Church you believe is the first Church ever built-by Peter, is wrong. The Church of Jesus is the Spirit of God and He wasn't from this world.
He left leaving His Spirit to His disciples to teach them all thing Jesus done and about to come.
A question you should be asking yourself, if the Old ceremonial of the Old Testament were finished at the death of Christ {or as other conjecture after Pentecost} Why did the Church still attend temple gatherings? Was it because they were not fully aware of the full implication of the New Covenant and may have been offered sacrifices? Was it because they wanted to get together and Evangelise their brethren? Was it some mishmash of both reason plus possibility more? Think about it" What was actually truly going through their heads at this time.
{Acts 2:46-47} Everyday they continua'led to meet in the temple courts, They broke bread in their Homes, and ate together with Glad and sincere hearts, prising God and enjoying the favour of all the people, and the Lord added to their number daily.those who were being saved.
So this scripture clearly tells us the apostles, weren't entering inside the temple building, but standing in the Courts, preaching to them the word of God, then this proves, the disciples were preaching another gospel, the gospel Jesus taught them, and those who had chosen to believe the truth, were taken out from the temple courts into their homes { not the temple church} and broke bread to be saved.
The bible reads the disciples were having their fellowships in peoples homes not in any of the temples {Churches} Listen to the words? Jesus answered and said to him "Blessed are you, Simon bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, But My Father who is in Heaven, meaning the Father spoke through Peter, and these words didn't come from Peter directly, they came from God.
Jesus then said you are right Peter and upon this rock {Which is the word} I will build My Church.
Read {Acts 2:46-47} again.
Jesus didn't build His Church in a temple nor in any Church building, He built His Church on the word of God, these same words were spoken through Peter.
And strangely enough your Church claims Peter became Pope until the church allowed Emperor Nero to murder him upside down on the cross, and cutting Paul's head clean off.
It amazes me, why none of you have asked this question? Why did Nero murder them this way, was it because they weren't speaking the same gospel of the pagans, or was it, they took people into their own homes to break bread and people were saved. {And Not the temples church} Only because they wanted the people to know the truth about Christ, and Nero Murdered them because Nero wanted people to worship their God's 'Not the true God. Jesus did say all those who believe in Me, will be prostituted.
This is the question I myself would be asking the Church? Why did the Church continual to murder people who believed in the gospel of Jesus instead of the Catholic Churches beliefs, the Catholic Church burned the believers of Christ to the stake, torching them until death for centuries after Nero murdered Peter and Paul, Peter didn't just die of old age, He was murdered. Think about it, you have chosen to fellowship with a Church that doesn't line up with the word of God.
Listen faithful people had step out and spoken the truth about Christ to the public? Do you ever watch the worldly news Christians are being murdered everyday, while your Pope sits around watching the world, have you studied up on the Hitler story, Hitler himself would visit the Pope, while the Jews were murdered by the millions, and what did the Pope do, he shook hands with Hitler while sitting down having a cup of tea. After the war had ended' through history we all know it was the Pope who supported the German war criminals helping them to leave Germany, and sending them to either Argentina, and other places, having different Identities. These were crimes the Germans committed against the Jews. Where was the Popes support then? What was the Pope thinking off? The Pope claims he is a man of God, if this is true then why was he supporting the murders instead of God's own children, when the Pope knew the Jews belong to God.
History brother tells the story-and clearly this just shows your Church had separated themselves away from the rest of the world, is this why your Church is built like a prison no-one can get in, nor get out, Not Even God Himself could enter into it?

Emasearu:
@brocab: My Christian Religious Studies textbooks, of the private non-catholic school I attended, made it clear that there was an early church as against what U claim. And that the early church was united under Peter. My Internet research showed me how long he ruled, and how the early church continued even after he died with new popes being elected, or appointed.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 9:58pm On Oct 05, 2016

After speaking to you or either of the other Catholic's I have written too, I have found you all receive your knowledge not directly from the bible, but through some other writer, one that truly believes he/she is right, and in most cases they are wrong. And of course you all learn their ways of teachings, which in most cases it is twisted and turns the word of God around.
None of you test the Spirit, to see if the writer is right or wrong, its the word of God that reads the truth; and it's only a simple ask to the Lord to guide you what is the truth. Try it sometime, you will be amazed, how quickly the Lord answers your prayers.
This is why it is important for us to listen to God, read His truth, and not somebody else's.
I have a job to do, I am trying to help you see reason, not only do I want you to look at the bible, but read it with understanding, and the way to receive this understanding is by asking God "not Mary, not the saints" but the Lord the Holy Spirit will and can direct you to understand it the way it is written, and the way it is sounding.
Not some unbeliever who thinks he/she has all the answers.

Emasearu:
It does deal with the Bible. There's an entire chapter dedicated to it. The first page after the list of questions, page 11, contains '2' quotes from the Bibles. So do check again. If you look up the "Table of Contents" in your e-book reader, you would see a list of topics. Pls click on anyone you like. I didn't call my church the custodian of the Bible for nothing.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 9:34pm On Oct 05, 2016

Were you baptised as a little child, or as a man/woman, were you baptised under the Catholic Churches banner, or were you baptised under Christ, becoming a born again Christian, which means born above?

Emasearu:
Eve knew about God's command, brother. How exactly she got to know wasn't stated in Genesis. See Gen. 3:2-3.
I'm glad you have the correct understanding of baptism. That's the same idea I have. I have been baptised, and I later got to know what that meant when I did my catechism. So I "have" decided to follow Christ.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 11:04pm On Oct 04, 2016

Mary's Son is her redeemer...Not the other way around..

Emasearu:
I'm not saying Mary didn't need a redeemer. She did, because even though she was made free from sin, that didn't mean the price of Adam's disobedience had been paid for. God the Son still had to offer Himself up for "all" mankind. We agree on that. What we don't agree on is her Immaculate Conception. Let me ask you this: could God have created Mary without sin if He wanted to? Please think about it.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 10:55pm On Oct 04, 2016

God is God He can create everything, sin came because of disobedience, when Adam was in the Garden, He was told not to eat of that tree in the middle of the garden by the Lord God-this could be a good question for you? Did the Lord God also tell Eve not to eat of that fruit-or did the Lord God leave it to Adam to tell Eve not to eat of that fruit, was this because the Lord wanted to see how obedient Adam really was?
So did Adam tell Eve not to eat of that fruit?
The Lord God was giving Adam a choice, but the women that came from Adam's rib, ate the fruit, and given it to Adam at the same time. So their choice was made.
Now lets read on, They were kicked out of the Garden, and with the choice they made, what happen? Adam and Eve had two children, Cain and Abel, Cain was evil and Abel in the other hand serviced the Lord.
Satan turned the garden of Eden around, because of a choice-so the Lord God made it so He could enter in as becoming a man to save the world-and what happened Satan tried to stop Jesus from saving the world, again the Garden of Eden is about to reopen for the saved. Everything we do, we either believe in Christ-or we continual to disbelieve.
We live by choice, not someone else's choices, our own choice, as a child grows he/she lives on making choices everyday.
Jesus was baptised under Jewish Law as a child, and as He became a man He made His choice to be baptised by John the baptist. Telling us we must make our choice and be baptised in the name of the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit, because everybody that isn't born again will not enter into the kingdom of God. This is our choice. What is your choice huh

Emasearu:
I'm not saying Mary didn't need a redeemer. She did, because even though she was made free from sin, that didn't mean the price of Adam's disobedience had been paid for. God the Son still had to offer Himself up for "all" mankind. We agree on that. What we don't agree on is her Immaculate Conception. Let me ask you this: could God have created Mary without sin if He wanted to? Please think about it.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 10:22pm On Oct 04, 2016

To be honest with you, I had open up the suite you gave me, but after listening to you about your knowledge about the word of God, I didn't want to read someone else's issues that has nothing to do with any bible literature's.
Most of the things you have written about Mary, you haven't the slightest idea what you are really talking about, none about Mary being sinless is written anywhere in the bible, and being the Mother of God is also not written.
We only know this sort of news by word, she was the Mother of Jesus, that's all. And she has no authority in Heaven, nor on earth, to lead any of us into the kingdom of God. No true Christians prays to Mary, we all pray to God, because it's God who answers, not Mary.
Your information about Mary can only come directly from the Catholic Church, not the bible it's self.

Emasearu:
You are raising a lot of issues, sir. Let's stick with Mary for now, so we won't be handling many topics at once. Thank U.
Also, were U able to download the book I told U about?

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Catholics Pray Through Mary by brocab: 10:09pm On Oct 04, 2016

Baby baptism is not a choice.

Emasearu:
John 3:5- Jesus: "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirt, he cannot enter the kingdom of God." So I'm afraid we can't they would go to Heaven, but we can't say they'd go to Hell either since they weren't old enough to commit any sin or reject baptism. We can trust in God's mercy as to what would befall them.

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