Brocab's Posts

Nairaland Forum › Brocab's Profile › Brocab's Posts

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 ... 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 (of 172 pages)

Christianity Etc › Re: Virgin Mary Statue In St. Joseph Church In Iraq Crying, Tears Turned To Blood by brocab: 5:36am On Jan 12, 2016*

This sounds like witchcraft to me, it would frighten me, to see a statue crying-it is deafeningly something demonic.
I find this story quite strange no-one see's the statue of Jesus either on the cross, nor as a baby, or standing inside a church bleeding, and He was the one who had suffered greatly for our sins.
The bible doesn't mention Mary's death, but I am sure she died naturally, Mary shedding tears is a trick-to turn the world further away from Jesus-Mary's advertised around the world, I find it quite funny when someone mentions Jesus's name, no-one wants to know.
Religion believes Mary is the world's savour..

Tchitntdu:
These pictures have been trending on Twitter since 8th August 2014, the day it was believed that Virgin Mary Statue shedded tears in Iraq.According to reports gathered by MediaPostNG, Virgin Mary Statue in St. Joseph's Catholic Church in Iraq started crying, her tears then turned into blood.

Below are pictures posted by eye witness;

[img]http://2.bp..com/-bQW8-Kn8hsA/U-jE9tHtl5I/AAAAAAAAE9k/ENaUie2_uhI/s1600/virgin+mary+tears+in+iraq.png[/img]

[img]http://1.bp..com/-YVGgQyn-Fxk/U-jGldx9NPI/AAAAAAAAE-E/HaFdJSwWCXI/s1600/virgin+mary.png[/img]

.

Source: http://www.omogist.com/2014/11/meet-9-yr-old-named-beautiful-girl-world/

.
.

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 5:17am On Jan 12, 2016*

Maybe you could share a little light on the author who changed it from the Greek translation to English?
Matter of fact do you know any of the names, who wrote your bible?
Allow me to shed a little light on this subject.

dolphinheart:
@ brocad.

The words of john 1:1 was written in greek , the new world translation translated those words into English. They did not change the words. Hope u understand the difference between translation of words and changing of words .

Yep life is hard when you dnt listen, let alone understand the scriptures.

You just quoted the verse,but you refused to explain the underlined.

Are the angels spirits?
Are they called sons of God?

And john did tell you what jesus told mary right?.
Gods spirit descended like a dove on jesus, yet another voice was heard from heaven. This shows that Gods spirit is not God!.

And yet you still refuse to explain those verses using either nwt translation or the kjv.

You are right to say God(a person) is talking to his son(another person). Therefore jesus is not the God talking there

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 12:05am On Jan 12, 2016*

That's funny you did say you have a King James bible, along with your New World Translation.
The King James does say Adam seen the Lord God walking in the garden.
Does this mean you don't use the king James bible, but you prefer to use a bible that's partly scriptural.

Revelation 1:1-2 "The Revelation of Jesus Christ which God gave unto Him, to shew unto His servants things that shortly come to pass, and He sent and signified it by His angel unto His servant John, who bare record of the word of God, and the testimony of Jesus Christ, and all things that He saw. Not only John, but His other servants too.
Its funny, the JW's have been claiming Jesus isn't God in word, and yet the JW's teachings are the opposite, Firstly you believe God is a person, and you believe Jesus is the archangel Michael.

Hebrews 1:4-7 "Having Become so much better then the angels as He has by inheritance obtained a more excellent name then they, For which of the angels did He say: you are My Son, Today I have begotten you. Again I will be to Him a Father, And He shall be to Me a Son, But when He again brings the first born into the world, He says "let all the angels of God worship Him.

So if this is the case as the word of God says, and Jesus is the archangel, He couldn't worship Himself, and God did say He had a Son, and He said let all the angels of God worship Him, and God made the angels spirits, so this means Michael too.
THIS LEAVES GOD STANDING AND BECAUSE YOU BELIEVE GOD IS A PERSON, THEN IT WOULD HAVE TO BE 'GOD' WHO CAME IN THE FLESH, AND LIVED AMONGST MEN

This is what the JW's teach, how interesting? And you don't even know it.
It seems you are confused about which bible has the false doctrines, when we look into the New World Translation that bible proves most scriptures have either been twisted in word, or it's been removed.
Lets look at Acts 8:37 just one of the many scriptures moved from your bible. That you call false.
If God made Jesus to be an angel then He is Spirit and In Genius 1 It does say all to their own kind.
How about asking a few of these questions?

dolphinheart:
@ brocab:

You yourself have said it: " john was talking" .
To give you a glimpse of who the author of the inspired scriptures is read rev 1:1

The revelation from Jesus
Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John.

It seems you are mistaken about the john we are talking about.

God is spirit and God came down like a dove, yes you can't explain who is talking in heaven.

A term that has no scriptural backup .
a co existence and co- eternal that has no direct reference in the scriptures.

You quote scriptures with no explanations.
Is God talking to himself?
Who are the others he is talking to? Are they Gods too?

So who did adam see? The father, jesus or the holy spirit .
Is the person of jesus also the person called the father?
If they are not the same person, which of them did adam see?

I dnt know which bible translation you use, but all I've read never said adam saw Lord God walking in the garden.

Second, can you tell me why you decided not to use the original word for Gods name in that verse but prefer to use "lord".

You have joined those who have deliberately removed the name of God so that their false doctrine can seem to fit the scriptures.
Unless you can prove that the Tetragrammaton in that verse Means "Lord ", ur explanation shows a desperate attempt at using the removal of Gods name to support a false doctrine.
Anyone who has doubt on what I'm saying can ask him to explain such removal.

Dnt add to the verse pls, the underlined is not part of the scriptures .

Therefore jesus is not God.

Same as all other angelic creatures in heaven, yet they are not God.

False doctrine.
1 cor 8:6
...we have but one God , the father.

John 17 :3
...... The only true God.....

Eph 4:6
...one God and father of all.

John 20:17said jesus called the father his God and our God.

So jesus is not God cus he is in the father and the father in him, just as the disciples dnt become God cus they are in God and jesus.
Gods spirit coming into the disciples does not make jesus God same as the spirit coming into the disciples does not make them God .
Who commands the holy spirit, jesus or God? The scriptures shows that jesus asks from the holy spirit from the father.
I wonder why all commands, authority, teachings, power, knowledge of future events and actions comes from the father! Maybe because he is the only true God!, the almighty!

You have shown again that you will not address the scriptures mentioned earlier which shows you who our God is and his relationship with jesus. Though I know you wunt address them, but let me add one more .
Heb 9:24
For Christ did not enter into a holy place made with hands, which is a copy of the reality, but into heaven itself, so that he(jesus/first person) now appears before God(the father/

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 9:43pm On Jan 11, 2016

It funny you know, the JW's have proven Jesus is God likewise and they don't even know it.

paulGrundy:
I Have already answered your post, you want me to say that Jesus is not God. That is the answer you are expecting.

Funny you.

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 9:06pm On Jan 11, 2016*

Well I have already answered Hebrews 1:9
John 17:3 "And now O Father glorify Me with yourself, with the glory I had with You before the world was.
John 20:17 Do not cling to Me.
It shows you have pick out these verses just to clarify your argument, every verse has a chapter, and that chapter has a story, picking out one verse from the pile doesn't mean you have finished the chapter, it just shows us your arguments can only be led in the flesh. Without you understanding the word of God makes life a little harder, you believe God is a person-you also believe Jesus is the archangel.
Hebrews 1:5-7 "For to which of the angels did He ever say; You are My Son, today I have begotten You, again, I will be to Him a Father,And He shall be to Me a Son, but when He again brings the first born into the world, He says let all the angels of God worship Him. And of the angels He says: who makes His angels Spirits, and His servants a flame of fire.
These verses tells us clearly, God had made the angels spirits, and He says let all the angels worship Jesus.
What puzzles me, you believe Jesus is the archangel Michael.
Of course Jesus couldn't worship Himself, because God had a Son, and God did say He had made the angels to worship His Son Jesus, and if you say Jesus is the archangel; then without having any thought God "Is" His Son JESUS' Likewise and the angels worship Him.

dolphinheart:
You have not.
Go back to our discussion and reply the post there.
And if you dnt want to, then explain what you understand by the words found in heb 1:9 , john 17:3 , and john 20:17 for starters

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 8:02pm On Jan 11, 2016*

@paulgrundy
We need to remember we were once atheist too.

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 7:49pm On Jan 11, 2016*

paulGrundy:
This is precisely one of the reasons I refused to engage him, he is basing his argument on a text that has been grossly distorted.

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 7:39pm On Jan 11, 2016*

@Dolphinheart.
Its funny, your argument doesn't make any sense; you believe God is a person, and Jesus is the archangel, with this info, the JW's have already proven to the world Jesus is God likewise, and you don't even know it.
Hebrews 1:4-7
Exodus 20:3-5 "God say's you shall not worship any other gods before Me.
Matthew 2:1-2 "And after Jesus was born in Bethlehem, the kings and the shepherds worshipped Him.

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 2:13am On Jan 11, 2016*

You had denied that the JW's didn't changed any of the words around that's written in John 1:1 "and yet your New World Translation bible reads it out pretty clearly, In {the} beginning the word was, and the word was with God, and the word was a god.
It makes life harder when one like yourself isn't listening, let alone understanding any of the scriptures.
Hebrews 1:4-6 "Having become much better then the angels, as He had inherited a more excellent name then they, for in which of the angels did God ever say, you are My Son, today I have begotten you? And again I will be a father to Him and He shall be a Son to Me. And when He brings in the first born into the world, He says let all the angels of God worship Him.
Acts 13:33 "He has fulfilled for us, their children by raising up Jesus, As it is written in the second psalm, "You are My Son and today I have become your Father.
The Sons of God are not Spirits, Genius 6 is clearly man, God said My Spirit will not strive with man forever, for he is indeed flesh. And He said I will destroy man, whom I have created from the face of the earth, If angels were capable of reproducing as man kind does, their of spring would be spirit. According to its principle, according to its kind. portrayed in Genus 1.
What makes this statement harder, God has already told us, who He is in the Bible, John had even told you who God is, he had seen the Spirit of God descending above Jesus, but you keep on putting God on a person, Jesus is the one who became a man, God had always described Himself as a Spirit.
And if I was to be equal to my Father, I would be my Father.
New World Translation bible Hebrews 1:8-9 "But about the Son he says God is your throne, forever and ever, the scepter of your Kingdom, and the scepter of up-righteousness. Verse 9 " You loved righteousness and you Hated lawlessness, That is why thy God your God has anointed you, with the oil of exultation more then your companions.
The King James bible Hebrews 1:6-11 " And again when God brings the first born in to the world, He said let all God's angels worship Him. He makes His angels spirits and His servants flames of fire.
But about His Son He says, "Your throne O God, will last forever and ever, a scepter of justice will be a scepter of your Kingdom, you have loved righteous and you have hated wickedness; therefore God your God have sent you above all companions, by anointing you with the oil of joy. He also says in the beginning Lord you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the works of your hands.
A big difference between two bibles. It shows God is talking to His Son Jesus. No wonder you are confused.

dolphinheart:
Everyone can see that you have ones again refused to comment and tell us ur view of the scriptures I mentioned earlier.

You have also once again refused to tell us "how the word was with God".

Pls show to the world where I lied. Refusal to do so will show you are the one lying.

Maybe you have not been listening to them and decided to create ur own view of their beliefs.

And what was these their relationship o.

You have just shown us that the father gives jesus commands in which jesus obeys.
The angels are likewise called Gods sons.

And not even one bible verse to back this statement up with?

But jesus and the father are not the same person!
And if they are not the same person, who does jesus call the father? Answer : his God, the only true God.

They are equal and yet one is always sent by the other, told what to do and openly tells you that the other is his God.
They are equal and yet one is subjected to the other.
They are equal and yet one tells you that all authority has been giving(by the other)to him. And despite that authority , he is still subjected. They are equal and yet one says he is God of the other, and the other confirms this statement.

You belief this statement you made above and yet you can't back it up with a single bible verse that talks about their equality.

If you know what heb 1: 8,9 says then you will know what john meant by " the word(a god) was with God.
John himself must have heard what jesus told mary to tell the disciples after his ressurection, but if I quote it, you wunt read it.

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 1:06am On Jan 11, 2016*

None so what you have written makes any sense.
Jesus is the author of the book John said In the beginning was the word, John was talking about Jesus not himself.
John can only be the messenger, who prepared the way for Christ.
Matthew 3:16-19 "John seen the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and he heard a voice from the heavens, saying this is My beloved Son. Which proves God is a Spirit
God spells it out pretty clear to us in the bible, who He is, God is Spirit, God is Love, John said He had seen the Spirit of God descending above Jesus.
God is the Spirit and the Son became flesh and the Holy Spirit are all part of the tri-unity meaning one God existing in 3 co-existing persons.
Understand this is not, in any way suggesting 3 God's, even the word trinity isn't written in the bible, this is a term used to describe triune God. 3 co-existed co-eternal persons to make up God.
Of real importance is that the concept represents by the word "Trinity"does exist in scripture. This is what God says about the trinity, There is One God Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear "O Israel The Lord our God the Lord is One.
Isaiah 6:8 "And I heard the voice of the Lord saying, "whom shall I send and who will go for us, Than I said, here I am! send Me.
Genius 1:26 "God said let us make man in our own image, after our likeness.
Genius 3:22 "Then God said, behold the man has become like one of us knowing Good and Evil.
In the bible Jesus was always knowing as the Lord, and God as the Father God. Adam said He had seen the Lord God walking in the garden, He never said he seen the Father and the Son walking in the garden.
Isaiah 48:16-17 "Draw near to Me, hear this from the beginning, I have not spoken in secret, from the time it came to be, I have been there, and now the Lord God had sent Me and His Spirit. thus says the Lord God your redeemer, the Holy one of Israel, I am the Lord your God, who teaches you to profit, who leads by the way you should go.
Matthew 28:19 "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations and baptising them in the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit. All 3 are One.
Jesus needed God just as much He needed His Spirit. His power came from the Spirit.
Jesus was the son before He was born as a child in Bethlehem.
Each member of the trinity is God, the Father is God.
The Son is God John 1:1.
The Holy Spirit is God 1 Corinthians 3:16 "Do you not know you are God's temple, and that God's Spirit dwells in you.
John 17:21 "Father you are in Me and I am in you.
It shows you are confused, this scripture doesn't say we are equal with Jesus, it says let our Spirit reside in them, He told His disciples, He will send them another helper the Holy Spirit, and He will teach them all things concerning Jesus. This is what the verse means the Spirit of God now lives in each of us who believe, like God lived in Jesus. This is the witness to prove that God had sent Jesus into the world. His Spirit teaches us the hidden secrets about the word of God.

dolphinheart:
@ brocab

Pls tell us who God is!

yes jesus said he and the father are one, but he also said that same father is greater than him.

Does jesus statement mean he and the father are same person? No

Does jesus statement mean he is equal to the father? No
Did jesus say he and the father are one God? No

Look at john 17 :21
that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be in us,
so that the world may believe
that you have sent me.

Do you see what that verse is telling us? Jesus requested that his disciples be in them(jesus and the father) just as he, jesus is in the father and the father is in him. If they(the disciples are not eventually God or jesus or equal to them when that request is fufilled, I wonder why you say jesus is equal to the father cus he said he and the father are one.

Another translation went further and translated that verse as:
I pray that they will all be one,
just as you and I are one--as you are in me, Father, and I am in you. And may they be in us so that the world will believe you sent me.

It was john that was making the description , the same John that recorded the statement found at john 20:17

King James Bible
Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren,(john inclusive] and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
Jesus has explicitly told us who is his God! And who is our God!

Gbam! . Jesus(first person), was with God(another person)
He was not that God as he was with that person called God.

That is why your bible could say in heb 1:9 the following

"You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has set you above your
companions by anointing you
with the oil of joy."

Note: 1. Jesus had companions.
2.jesus was anointed
3. He has a God.

And the word was a God just as several translation shows.
The scriptures, jesus, the disciples has shown us the relationship between jesus and the God mentioned in 1b

You that have read all the chapters , you have not been able to bring up anything contrary to what I've been saying with scripture to support it. In fact you have refused to tell ur views about the scriptures I quoted.

Pls do.

While at it, you can tell us ur view of the scriptures I quoted.

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 5:15pm On Jan 10, 2016

Then you need to read the writers post.

paulGrundy:
If you thinking about how to catch a compulsive liar, then you are wasting your time, because for each lie you expose, 5 more lies are produced to cover up that lie. A liar will rest only when you agree to his lie. There is this thing about humans that makes us manipulate the facts via half-truths. Misinterpretations, misreprsentations e.t.c in order to suit our preconcieved notions. You don't need to do much.

»Expose the lie with facts (one is even enough)
»Show their real motive for clinging to that lie, so that others will be wary of them.

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 5:04pm On Jan 10, 2016*

You don't know who God is.
John 10:30 "Jesus said I and the Father are ONE.
John 1:1 "In the beginning was the word {Jesus describes Himself as the word} and the word was with God {Jesus describes Himself He was with God} and the word was God {Jesus describes Himself He and the Father are One}
My fruit is the word of God. Which I don't read much in you.
This is what you JW's do, you pick out one verse from a scripture and you think you know it all, without reading the rest of the chapters.
And I can prove you believe God is a man, you had written it yourself, you believe Jesus and God are two different persons.

dolphinheart:
She did not ask you that, she asked you to explain "the word was with God".

Is there difference in "the word was with God" as stated in the translations?
If there is pls let us know, and if there is not, pls let us understand what ur bible means when it stated that " the word was with God"

We all dnt know who God is.
How does the bible describe God? It depends on which God you are reffering to the God that was refered to in heb 1:8 or his God that was refered to in heb 1:9

Can you provide prove that jehovahs witnesses believe that God is a man?

Yes, I believe that jesus and God are two different persons and can provide numerous scriptures to butress my views if you ask for it. But note, if you request for the scriptural evidences, you must be ready to provide ur explanation of that particular scripture in case you have a contrary opinion to my explanation of the scripture mentioned.

And neither I'm I saying he said so.

As a spirit filled person, explain to her who God is so that others reading these thread will know too.

I use the scriptures to identify someone who has the holy spirit, the fruitage of that spirit is evident in the actions of that person . I raised ten points in which a individuals that has the holy spirit must observe if he associates with a body or organization. Your spirit has not seen anything good in any of the ten things mentioned, and if it has,it has refused to tell you to comment on it.

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 4:42pm On Jan 10, 2016

Yep I agree, but lets preach them the word of God.
How do we to catch out a liar-when one twist his own words.

paulGrundy:
I just tire for the guy oh!
Peharps he is ashamed of watchtowers alteration of John 1:1.

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 3:59pm On Jan 10, 2016*

You don't have to lie in public, The New World Translation Bible is used by the Jehovah witnesses.
John 1:1 "In {the} beginning the word was, and the word was with God,and the word was a God.
We all know this is the most common verse of contention between the Jehovah witnesses and the Christians, your false assumption is that Jesus is not God in the flesh but Michael the archangel who became a man. And since you have denied that Jesus is divine you have altered John 1:1.
Hmmmmm What is the best way to explain this to a JW?
To understand Jesus as God on earth praying to His Father in heaven, we need to realize that the eternal Father and the eternal Son had a relationship before Jesus took upon Himself the form of a man.
John 5:19-27 "So Jesus said to them, Truly truly" I say to you, the Son can do nothing on His own accord, but only what He see's the Father doing, For what the Father does, the Son does like wise, Verse 23 "they all may honour the Son, just as they honoured the Father.
John 15:10 "If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, Just as I have kept My Fathers commandments and abide in His Love. Jesus did not become the Son of God when He was born in Bethlehem, He has always been the Son of God from eternity past, still is the Son of God and always will be.
Isaiah 9:6 "Tell us the Son was given' and the child was born. Jesus was always part of the tri-unity along with the Holy Spirit, The tri-unity always existed, the Father God the Son God, and the Spirit God, not three God's but one God existing in 3 persons.
John 10:30 "Jesus taught He and His Father are ONE. Meaning He and His Father are the same substance and the same essence.
The Father Son and Spirit are three co-equal persons existing as God. These three had and continue to have eternal relationship.
If you knew this, then you will understand what the meaning is to John 1:1 In the King James bible.

dolphinheart:
The problem one faces when discussing with you is the fact that you dnt look at the points raised in the post you are quoting.
Can you explain what jesus himself said in the scriptures i quoted?

As to your question on john 1:1, jehovahs witnesses did not change the words to a God. To change would mean the words there where not what was there originally. You need to go and look into the translation of that verse before you believe those that accuse jehovahs witnesses of changing it.

if a person is with another person, then you are talking about 2 persons and not one, hence jesus cannot be with God and still be that same God. That jesus is a God, a mighty God is supported by the scriptures.

That jesus is almighty God is not supported by the scriptures for the scriptures and even jesus himself tells us that the father is greater, that jesus has a God, that he was giving power and authority by that God, that he is subjected and loyal to that God at all times, that at no point in time where they the same person.

Jesus did not pray to himself, he prayed to someone else, who he called the only true God. Me as I try to follow jesus, will pray to that same person through the name of the one who he sent to save us and who act as our mediator and high priest, jesus Christ.

Unlike most people who preach without opening the bible, even though they hold it in their hands, jehovahs witnesses use the scriptures extensively when talking about jesus and the one who went him, jehovah.

Jesus has a God at all times, he himself said it, identified him, told us about him and who he is, it is that God that must be worshiped just as jesus did.

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 2:04pm On Jan 10, 2016*

As I have explained the word also say's and the word was God, No-one has refused anything, I was trying to explain to her once she knows who god is, then the scripture will come alive, but the argument is silly, reading from two different bibles, won't answer the questions asked.
My King James say's In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word is God, your bible say's the word is a God, this is not Spiritual.
For you to back up a JW, of course you must be one yourself right?
We all know who God is, but the question I had asked her, how does the bible describe God, what description does the bible give to us who God is, what is God how does the bible describe God?
Does it say He's a Man? Like the JW's believe his a man, you believe Jesus and God are two different people.
Adam said, he saw the Lord God walking in the garden, He didn't say he saw the Father and the Son walking in the Garden.
And of course without she knowing, there's no point trying to guess the answers who God is and what parts He plays in the bible.
And yes I am a Spirit filled Christian, and how does one tell a Spirit filled Christian? You wouldn't know, Only because you preach another gospel.

dolphinheart:
Your refusal to explain how the "word was with God " has shown that you are as confused about the doctrine as those who formulated it. You want her to explain who God is before you tell her how the word was with God! Imagine.

You that thinks you have the holy spirit, pls tell us who God is, who jesus called God and how the word was with God.!

Christianity Etc › Re: If God Knew Satan Will Rebel And Adam And Eve Will Sin, Why Did He Create Them? by brocab: 10:41am On Jan 10, 2016

We live by choice, I believe Adam and Eve was given a choice.
Before Satan arrived they lived their lives without fully having that choice, even thru Adam named all the animals, and Adam loved Eve, it was the Lord God who made the final decisions, the choices were made by his Father God. Not Adam.
Adam obeyed God. When we were younger we relied on our parents to make the right choices for us, when we become a little older we were given those choices with decisions.

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 12:58am On Jan 10, 2016*

But even so, if the bible had said John 1:1 as it say's the word was God, it wouldn't matter to you, because you have changed it in your bible the word was a God. And trying to convince me to believe otherwise, that the JW's are right, while the bible is wrong, then of course you are trying to draw me away from the truth, to only believe in the lie' the JW's have written.
Jesus said My sheep knows My voice.
Revelation 22:19 "Anyone who removes the word of God from the book God will deal with that person.

Jessicha:
Okay , the word of God at john 1:1 is bible ?

" the Only true God" John 17:3

Answer me: explain the phrase "the Word was with God " and you replied the Word was God . If then the word was God , then u admit the Word was with God ( The Word) ? The Word was with the Word ?

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 12:38am On Jan 10, 2016

Until you can describe God in the bible-then you may understand the word was with God and the word was God, but because you can't explain it to me, you won't understand John 1:1 "These very scriptures are written so we can understand them clearly, it takes the Holy Spirit to teach us spiritually, without the Holy Spirit-you have Buckley's and none, to even know the hidden secrets about the bible.
I am trying to help you, but without you having the Spirit of God, I feel it's impossible even trying.
Are you a JW?

Jessicha:
Okay , the word of God at john 1:1 is bible ?

" the Only true God" John 17:3

Answer me: explain the phrase "the Word was with God " and you replied the Word was God . If then the word was God , then u admit the Word was with God ( The Word) ? The Word was with the Word ?

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 12:05am On Jan 10, 2016

Are you a JW?

Jessicha:
Dont deviate , we are discussing john 1:1

" The Word with God ( The Word) ? " ?

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 12:03am On Jan 10, 2016

Do we not read the word of God John 1:1 In the beginning was the word-and the word was with God, and the word was God, do we read the word of God-is the WORD about God.
Listen you won't understand this scripture until you can answer, how do you describe God in the bible. Once you have done that then everything should fall into place for you.

Jessicha:
Dont deviate , we are discussing john 1:1

" The Word with God ( The Word) ? " ?

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 11:48pm On Jan 09, 2016

Do we not read the word of God?
I see you really haven't any idea when it comes to the word, you don't understand what John 17:21 means, Jesus said Father you are in Me and I am in you. Describe God who is God written in the bible. What does God look like?

Jessicha:
Eeyah , so its confusing you , pls explain it for me better ?

" The word was WITH God ( The word) " right ? Aftrall you testify that the word is God, so explain that phrase .

Where did you see Spirit Of God in john 17:21 ? Are u sleeping ?

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 11:43pm On Jan 09, 2016*

Sorry I wasn't baptised as a child-and I do have the holy Spirit residing in myself only because I am a born again Christian, I don't believe in the rosaries nor do I believe in Mary's intercession, I only pray to our Lord, as He has directed me too in the word of God.
Matthew 6:6 "But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father who see's what is done in secret will reward you.
No-one told me to pray the rosaries nor Mary's intercession, it is unscriptural. Of course you can find scriptures that sounds, like? But theirs nothing written in any part of the bible where it says, we are to pray the rosaries.

ebukason3:
I felt you do not believe in the rosary nor in Marys intercession. If you have experience the new birth and have receive the baptism of the HolyGhost, ask the HolySpirit for revelations on "Marys intercession and rosary" just ask the HolySpirit.

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 11:27pm On Jan 09, 2016

Not having the Spirit of God residing in yourself, this of course sounds very confusing to you, I have explained this before-how does the bible see God, describe Him-and describe Jesus.
John 17:21 "Jesus prayed to the Father just as you are in me I am in you. May they also be in us, so that the world may believe that you have sent Me.
Is this scripture showing us, the Spirit of God lives within.

Jessicha:
You didnt answer me now .. Are u scared ?

Besides , you mean the Word is the same God in that verse ? Lets see how it sounds if we subitute what you belive into that verse

" and the Word was With God ( The Word) " right ? The Word was with the Word ?

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 11:07pm On Jan 09, 2016

And it also says the word was God, not a God

Jessicha:
@ brocab , Can we discuss john 1:1 , firstly explain the phrase " the Word was With God" , does this not mean the word is different from God ?

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 10:50pm On Jan 09, 2016*

I have just finish reading your page, and it's funny, you JW's always give the right answers but you don't practice them yourselves. But this isn't the case, Jesus said go out unto all the world and preach the gospel-His gospel, not your own.
John 1:1 "In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God, but you have changed it to "a God"? Why?
You know you are lying against God.
John 2:19 "Jesus answered, and said, destroy this temple, and in 3 day's I will raise it up.
Colossians 2:12 "Buried with Him in baptism, wherein also ye risen with Him through the faith of the operation of God, who have raised Him from the dead.
Romans 8:11 "But the Spirit of Him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He that raised up Christ from the dead,shall also quicken your mortal bodies by His Spirit that dwelleth in you.
I have never heard any of you raise these scriptures up. And yet these scriptures are written in the bible, ok your bibles maybe different in many ways, but most of you carry the King James bible,and its written in there proving Jesus and God are the same person.This is the truth you should be teaching-again Jesus said go out unto all the world a preach the gospel, His gospel, not the watchtowers gospel-you say the magazines are written about Christ, but you have refused to speak the truth about Christ.

dolphinheart:
Is this true? Let's see....

1. They do not support warfare nor participate in them. They try to live in peace at all times. They will not kill their fellow humans for political reasons.
They try their best to follow jesus words found in matt chapt 5.

Hence they suffered for their neutrality during wars.

2. They do not participate in politics but put their hope on solving mans problem in Gods kingdom. Man is not capable of taking care of itself. World politics has shown Jeremiah to be right, hence they try to be no part of the world when it comes to rulership.

3. They have love among themselves and there meeting together is not segregated along tribal or skin colour lines. John 13:35

4. They do not support any form of sin and send away from their midst anyone who sins deliberately who does not change his ways the moment they noticed or discover such ones.

5. They believe jesus Christ is the son of God and follow his teachings recorded in the scriptures.
John 17:3 - This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent,
Jesus Christ.

John 20:17. -Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’”

Therefore as christians , they know who their God is and who their mediator is!

6. they adhere to God’s original
standard of marriage as the union of one man and one woman, with sexual immorality being the only valid basis for divorce as being taught by jesus .Matthew 19:4-9

7. They preach about Gods kingdom in all the earth as jesus instructed. Mark16:15

You see them on the street, in ur homes, bus stations talking about Gods kingdom and the role jesus plays in it.
And if they can not be with you always, you have the worlds most distributed, most published, never missed magazines to assist you in ur search for the truth through bible study.

8. They preach and belief that a person’s works prove that his faith is alive. ( James 2:24, 26) However, salvation cannot be earned—it comes through “the undeserved kindness of God.”— Galatians 2:16, 21.

9. They follow the teachings and example of Jesus Christ and honor him as our Savior and as the Son of God. (Matthew 20:28; Acts 5:31)

10. There elders do not enrich themselves with members contributions. They do not hold titles such as "most high", most anything" or "father".
They do not collect tithes

There are no detailed analysis to support ur view on each point.

Your post is for ignorant people. Those who search the scriptures to find out the truth are not ignorant!

Christianity Etc › Re: The Catholic Pope Francis- There Is No Heaven Or Hell And Adam And Eve Not Real by brocab: 9:06pm On Jan 09, 2016

You are right about that, your Church was put together by Catholic's, God didn't have any part in building your Church.
I was sitting outside your Church one day, and Jesus sat down with me, I said lord, they won't allow me to go into the Church, the Lord said, I Have been waiting around for years, and they won't allow Me into their Church neither.

kearea:
In truth the catholic church is the one true church, according to the Bible,which by the way was put together by Catholics.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Catholic Pope Francis- There Is No Heaven Or Hell And Adam And Eve Not Real by brocab: 8:39pm On Jan 09, 2016*

Well the Pope is calling in all churches to unite together, so keep on doubting as you wish?
If you believe you are already under the New World Order system, then you haven't seen nothing yet. You say three countries are under a One World system since 1885, Has the European country imprisoned you? All maybe they are standing beside your country, obeying their own laws and living their own life styles. While Africa lives theirs. This isn't classed as a One World take over, Europe was subdivided with Africa, my country is subdivided with England, both countries obey their own laws.
The New World Order is about One Government a one law system put in place, One World Religion is about One Religious leader, who will change the law that who ever deny's his religion will be persecuted. As the world knows it, the Pope is calling all Churches to unite, which makes him to be a good candidate in this, let us watch, and see what the future holds.
This is the New World Order.
Slowly but surely, this New World systems is beginning to order, the power had taken over, the money is rolling, our food supply no longer belongs to the land, but the Governments now decide what country trades and what countries don't.
I suppose you haven't heard about a book called the Acts, This book was used in every country as a guild line to obey God's laws.
This book now has been put away lock and key, even thru the world no-longer see's this book, only because the laws have changed, from God to money.
But the good news is God Himself had written the Acts on everyone who have chosen to believe in Him as our guild line to obey His laws.
I was watching 8 out of 9 countries voting for the New World Order a worldly system not just 3 to 5 countries trading together, but the one country who voted "NO" I wonder, had this vote stopped him becoming richer?
One must think about this man's vote' as the future holds will they push this man out and replace him with another, one who will be willing to vote "YES" will they stop him from trading with other countries, this alone could force any Government to sign any document to the New World order system-as we know, the world turns with power and money.
You say the UN controls world peace-they also control Fema and it's obvious you haven't been placed in Fema as yet. So really your country is still under the freedom of rights act.

muafrika:
The problem with this theory is one, it ignore everything that's already established as far as one world government goes. We've had that since 1885 when the remaining free continent, Africa was subdivided amongst the European nobility, hence. ..

Dan 11:15 So the king of the north shall come, and cast up a mount, and take the most fenced cities: and the arms of the south shall not withstand, neither his chosen people, neither shall there be any strength to withstand.

First, Africa (and India before it,) was given to Crown companies, then politically, governed as colonies.

This was later followed by the establishment of the league of nations when a handful of elite sat down and made themselves a world order that stands till now. Five countries at the top, followed by the "developed/first world. The third word is divided into developing and least developed. Raw materials flow upward, by order, and once converted to goods in the North, flow downward for profits.

The UN is the custodian of this order. It was established in the name of world peace...

...but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries.Dan 11:21

The UN, controls of trade, politics, culture and makes binding laws through its many organs

The permanent Security Council members are the same who sat down to subdivide the world, and specifically Africa in 1885, and who subdued it after the first and Second world wars. Like it is written, the wealth of the entire world is controlled by just a handful....

Dan 11:23 And after the league made with him he shall work deceitfully: for he shall come up, and shall become strong with a small people.

And the wealth of the world is controlled by the same, few people, who are the faces behind the multinationals that are pillaging and scrapping the earth and seas dry...and most importantly Africa..and who control our food, population growth, etc
Daniel 11:43
But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps.

Am not waiting for another world government because we've had an oppressive one now for about a century..more for the American natives, Indians and Arabs.

If the Pope has said that, which I doubt, it is still an Impossibility with our many points of religious departure...

Christianity Etc › Re: The Catholic Pope Francis- There Is No Heaven Or Hell And Adam And Eve Not Real by brocab: 12:25am On Jan 09, 2016*

The problem is, there are news reports flying in all directions, either the Pope will be the last, or Obama will be the last, it doesn't really matter. Both leaders are supporting the end time series, as Jesus had predicted it.
Hitler once said, to control a country, you must disarm them first, Obama is heading down that same controlled system as Hitler did.
Revelation 13:1-18 "The unholy trinity is that of Satan. Antichrist and the false prophet. In the scripture God reveals Antichrist is the beast, who derives his power from Satan. the dragon together, they will used the false prophet, the second beast. To help them accomplish their evil works on earth.
The bible also tells us in the end day's, the Antichrist will rule over the entire human race with an ecumenical and apostate global religion.In addiction to ruling the planet through the global government. No person living at the time will be able to escape his evil rule.
The Pope is heading down that same controlled system as the Lord predicted it.
The Pope's calling all the churches to combined together to be a one church system. Recently 8 out of 9 countries voted in a one world government system, meaning the New World Order-Or the New World Religion is about to begin. Leaders around the globe such as the Pope wants the world to follow. One religion One Government.
And what does the bible say?

muafrika:
I thought that link @op was suspect.

The vatican has its own websites.There has been a lot of speculation and prophecies and assumptions since the new Pope. I blame it on a purported prediction that he's the last Pope by some Catholic prophet. It's for the same reason that you are also hearing people say Obama will run again. There is an alleged prophecy by another one that the last president of US will be black....

"According to writings attributed to St. Malachy in 1139, pope #112 will be the last one, and then Jesus will return. That would be the successor to Pope Benedict XVI, who is #111. And now we have #112, the Person of the Year who has made Catholicism cool again, Pope Francis.
People are expecting the end of the world to come with this Pope, ...."

I heard one of his preachings a few days ago. He preaches the basic, important things - love, care for the needy, the most important part of the gospel which our churches stopped preaching on decades ago in favour of more self gratifying gospels.

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 11:51pm On Jan 08, 2016

And?

Sarang:
Nkogheri..

Christianity Etc › Re: The Catholic Pope Francis- There Is No Heaven Or Hell And Adam And Eve Not Real by brocab: 9:35pm On Jan 07, 2016

Anything to do with face book are all lies. Can't you find any other facts else where to back up your story?

Ubenedictus:
The News.Va Facebook page
posted this update that I thought
was important to share.
FALSE STATEMENTS ATTRIBUTED
TO POPE FRANCIS
Dear friends, we have been
notified by many readers that
there are stories currently
circulating all over the Internet
spreading statements by Pope
Francis with regard to a number
of issues, concerning the Bible’s
content, the relations between
religions, the renewal of the
Church’s doctrine, and even the
calling of an alleged “Third
Vatican Council”, which are FALSE.
These statements were spread
by unknown sources. Therefore,
we would like to alert all readers
to be careful and not to trust too
soon news about the Pope that
are not from the Vatican.
There are also many social
networks pages that try to put
false information in circulation,
taking advantage of the fact that
it is easy to “throw the stone and
hide the hand”.
Many people are also now aware
that ALL FACEBOOK PROFILES OF
POPE FRANCIS /JORGE MARIA
BERGOGLIO ARE NOT OFFICIAL
PAGES AND THEY HAVE NOT BEEN
AUTHORIZED TO OFFICIALLY
REPRESENT THE POPE, THEREFORE
THEY SHOULD CLEARLY STATE THEY
ARE JUST ‘FAN PAGES’.
We encourage all readers to
check the official Vatican media
sources for further confirmation
of Pope Francis’ statements, or
even to check what exactly he
said with reference to specific
issues.
IF THE STATEMENTS ATTRIBUTED
TO THE POPE BY ANY MEDIA
AGENCY DO NOT APPEAR IN THE
OFFICIAL MEDIA SOURCES OF THE
VATICAN, IT MEANS THAT THE
INFORMATION THEY REPORT IS
NOT TRUE.
Below is a list of the official
Vatican media which you should
use as valid reference to be sure
that any reported statement
referred to the Pope is true:
- News.va: a news aggregator
portal, it reports the news and
information from all the Vatican
media in one website, available
in five languages: www.news.va
News.va also has a facebook
page: www.facebook.com/
news.va
- L’Osservatore
Romano: www.osservatoreromano.va
- Radio
Vaticana: www.radiovaticana.va
- VIS (Vatican Information
Service): www.vis.va
- Holy See Press
Office: www.vaticanstate.va/
content/vaticanstate/en/altre-
istituzioni/sala-stampa-santa-
sede.html
- Centro Televisivo
Vaticano: www.ctv.va
or www.vatican.va/
news_services/television/
- Vatican.va: the official website
of the Holy See, where you can
find the full text of all speeches,
homilies and Apostolic
documents by the
Pope: www.vatican.va
- PopeApp: the official app for
smartphones dedicated to the
Pope (Copyright News.va)
- @Pontifex: the official Twitter
profile of the Pope.
The only official facebook profiles
representing the Holy Father and
the Vatican are those from
News.va and the Vatican media
(see the above list of Vatican
media).
We would like to thank you all for
your kind attention as well as for
your notifications and
suggestions. Please do share this
information as much as possible
with your contacts! Thank you
very much!

Christianity Etc › Re: The Catholic Pope Francis- There Is No Heaven Or Hell And Adam And Eve Not Real by brocab: 9:34pm On Jan 07, 2016

You also said there were no such thing as a sign of a Roman Catholic Catholic anywhere to be found, but you were wrong about that?
So you can be wrong about this story too?

SalC:
Why do people take the words of a blogger so serious that they couldn't even see the glaring lies in it?

Like seriously 3rd vatican council? Convened by who? Where? The second vatican council took place in the 60s and no other council have been held till date.

If ever the catholic church want to hold a 3rd vatican council, it will be in the media even before it starts.

This write up is nothing but a big lie

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 5:48am On Jan 07, 2016*

Sorry I did read it wrong, so God didn't forgive you? God's a forgiven God.
As you can see-we Christians are much different then you Christians, we believe God's a forgiven God, in your case God didn't forgive you. So you tried through His Mother praying the rosary's, and God said so you come through My Mother.
This story still sounds to far fetch-first you say, you had heard God's voice on the mountain, and then after He answered your prayers, you then decided to pray the rosary's asking Mary for that same forgiveness. Why?
Well when Jesus gave us mentors, He gave us some pastors, some teachers, some evangelist, etc. Mary can't teach you, nor can she pastor you, nor evangelise?
Just read back on your prayers page, and you will find your prayer Quote> we said the rosary's with the stations of the cross.
And the voice then said, you come through my mother, you can now, "The rosary is all about meditation.

ebukason3:
pls bro cab, i don't really know what you did not understand, i will try my best answer some of the issues you raised.
Where did you get this story from?
That was my personal experience December 2013. Since i have been a charismatic; that was first time i experience such.
Repeatedly you went up to the mountain to pray to God, and sang Psalm 51, God then answered you and said. I will forgive you many times.
i was talking a particular encounter here, after the psalm 51 and crying for mercy; the voice still persist, then we ask for Marys intercession through the rosary.
Really is it worth the risk, you know you are lying against the word of God, saving yourselves from the condemnation of your Church will not save you.
what's the lying here, was it that my own experience was a lie, or saying the rosary was a lie against the word of God? John19:26-27 made me understand that Mary is a mother to a disciple. Revelation 5:8 and 8:3-4 tells me that saints offer our prayers to God; how much more of mother of Jesus whom interced in john2:1-11 by just being invited to a wedding. Don't forget this all generations shall call Mary blessed (Luke1:48).
On question of being saved i believed in Jesus Christ see (acts 16:30, Roman 10:9) and always said it in the creed.
and then a second "voice" told you to pick up the Rosaries and start praying to His Mother, Why would God go against His own words, and say, The Rosaries are the station of the cross,
there was no any second voice and i did not see "the rosaries are station of the cross " on my post.

One of my brother had another experience, it happened that one of our charismatic brother left the catholic faith although still friends, one day my brother had a prayer meeting to attend in lagos so stayed with the old friend, now as the old friend came to pick him at the prayer venue, they were about to close and saying the prayer "we fly to thy patronage..." the old friend joined hands with them anointing threw him mightly down. There were many many experiences.

In our relationship with God; its not all about praying in tongues (there are tongues beyond upperroom), vision, prophesy, for many have received the gift of the holy spirit in premature repentance. As you grow spiritually you will have different revelations God, You also need mentors when you outgrow your mentor take another mentor. Holy spirit is really a helper, so is mother Mary an intercessor. May God continue to bless us all.

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 ... 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 (of 172 pages)