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Just asking did the pope say to the young lad, In the name of Jesus you are healed?
Or did the Pope work his own magic.

Ubenedictus:
http://vaticaninsider.lastampa.it/en/world-news/detail/articolo/benedetto-xvi-benedict-xvi-benedicto-xvi-27560/

what do you think

We just need to look up these scriptures, to prove the Trinity does exist.
John 2:19 "Jesus answered and said the them, "Destroy this temple, and in 3 day's I will raise it up.
Colossians 2:12 "Buried with Him in baptism, in which you were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead.
Romans 8:11 "But if the spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your moral bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.
So who's telling the truth, did Christ raise Himself up, or did God raise Him up. Is the bible a miss print? Or the bible isn't a miss print, and as the bible tells us, it is true and correct, that the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are One in all.

So you don't understand between the two? Born as babies from our mothers womb is the beginning of our fleshly lives. A reborn means we have made a choice to a complete spiritual change, this doesn't mean we enter into our mothers womb the second time. "Yes a brainwashed child you are.

UncleSnr:
A brainwashed child.

Then you speak with a fork tongue.

UncleSnr:
The bible is no proof. But anyway Rondashun 23:1-13 says it all.

How long have you known this info? Even a child can answer better then you.

UncleSnr:
Katrashit 13:5 said all men and women are born from the Pus_sy or through Caesarean Section once.

Yes one must be born again before he can enter into the kingdom of God. And of course it is usually the pentecostal's who are born again Christians.
No other religion will see God unless one is born again. THESE WORDS ARE WRITTEN IN THE BIBLE, THESE ARE THE LORDS WORDS NOT MY OWN

UncleSnr:
So where are you driving your points to? That its only pentecostal christians that will see heaven?

The phrase born again literally means born from above, "Nicodemus had a real need, he needed a change of his heart, a spiritual transformation, new birth, being born again, is an act of God whereby eternal life is imparted to the person who believes.
2 Corinthians 5:17, Titus 3:5, 1 Peter 1:3, ,1 John 2:29, 3:9, 4:7, 5:1-4, 18, John 1:12, 13. indicates that being "born again" also carries the idea, of becoming children of God through trust in the name of Jesus Christ.
So there you have it-one must be born again.

The only proof I could find is written in the bible.
Revelation 6:10 "They called with a loud voice How long lord Holy and true until you judge the inhabitants of the earth, and avenge our blood.
Acts 2:17 "In the last day's God says I will pour out my spirit on all people, your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see vision, and your old men will dream dreams.
This is bible proof-how about your proof can you find anything that's written, else where with any other religions where they have seen or had any experiences with heaven or hell?

UncleSnr:
Is there any proof to show that they have seen the right thing?

People don't their Spirits do.

kennygee:
Go to your bible.

It is possible to see a vision of it if God wants u to see it, maybe to preach a message or to make u work earnestly to make heaven.

What I don't believe is people who claimed to die and go to heaven or hell.

The orthodox Jew, Catholic's, or Muslims Jw's, Mormons can not be saved, Jesus said one must be born again before he can enter into the kingdom of God. These names above all seem to pray outside the kingdom of God.
The Pentecostal are the only ones who truly believe in Christ alone, they don't need any other individuals to get in their way to know Christ, they pray direct to the Father in the name of Jesus, they worships Christ, they live for Christ, they die for Christ, prophesy see visions, dream dreams for Christ, etc..
I have never heard of any other religion having these same Qualities. As we born again Christians do in Christ.
Acts 2:27 "Jesus said in the last day's He will pour out His Spirit, your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams.
We may not ever hear any of the other religious groups witness any of the above, like yourself, I have never heard any stories told by them either, Only there mocking, that comes after these Visions and dreams, someone had seen or heard from God in the makings.
Muslims have Mohamed. The Orthodox Judaism are still waiting for the messiah to come.
The Catholic's Pray through Mary.
The Jehovah Witnesses believe the Christ and God are two different individuals.
The Mormons-also believe the Christ and God are two different individuals.

UncleSnr:
Many have claimed to die, saw vision of Heaven and Hell. but I have few questions.

1. Why is it only the Pentecostal/ Charismatics that see these stuff?
Okay let me explain, I have never heard an orthodox Jew, Stunch Catholics or Muslim writing about heaven.

2. Why do they give different views of Heaven and Hell? Different authors usually give different views/perspective of Heaven and Hell, is it that God do take them to different angles of this magnificent abode?

Your matured discussion will be welcomed.

Where did you get this story from?
Repeatedly you went up to the mountain to pray to God, and sang Psalm 51, God then answered you and said. I will forgive you many times.
And then your story changed from receiving forgiveness from God, all of a sudden you decided to pick up the rosaries and start praying to His Mother-wasn't God's forgiveness good enough for you?
Really is it worth the risk, you know you are lying against the word of God, saving yourselves from the condemnation of your Church will not save you. You are lying to yourselves and the Church in this matter, fear God-not the Catholic Church.
Your fears are to far beyond, you said: God answered you, and then what happen the spirit of the Church took God by surprise, and then a second "voice" told you to pick up the Rosaries and start praying to His Mother, Why would God go against His own words, and say, The Rosaries are the station of the cross, again He said, so you come through My Mother.
He had already answered your prayers, forgiven you, isn't that enough?
It seems, with this story you were listening to two voices, God's voice forgave you on the mountain, and the second voice said come and pray the Rosaries.
It seems God isn't worthy of His own authority Psalm 5:2, Acts 7:59, Ephesians 5:20, John 15:16, 16:23.
All these scriptures say we can only pray to God the Father in Jesus name, there are no scriptures written in the bible concerning we pray to Mary the Mother of Jesus.
Mary hasn't got that authority to receive prayers from anybody, nor answer them.
Don't forget Mary said do what ever Jesus tells you to do, she was letting them know Jesus has been given all the authority given by God the Father. No authority was given to Mary the Mother of Jesus, our prayers are directed to God alone. You are wasting your time.

ebukason3:
The rosary is a powerful simple bold prayer. There was a time we went to mountain to pray, as we are asking for Gods mercy a voice audible to us all said "i will not forgive you" many times. We cry for mercy, liedown on bare mountain, sang psalm 51 still the voice persists; Then we said the rosary with the stations of the cross, and the voice then said "so you come through my mother; you can now...". The rosary is all about meditation, contemptlation on the birth, life , death, resurrection of Lord Jesus Christ(joyful,sorrowful,glorious and mysteries of light) and imploying Marys intercession just as She did it cannan added to angelic salute of angel Gabriel. I know some non-catholics do say the chaplet of divine mercy and precious blood of Jesus Christ.

Christianity is all about being Christ like; just as it was recorded in antioch. The problem with some Catholics they don't know what they have and problem with non-Catholics is that "my G.O said.." bread and buyer Christianity forging the cross.

God bless us all.

When we look into he scriptures further, we can see simplicities-in John 2:19 "Jesus answered and said to them, "Destroy this temple and in three day's "I" will raise it up.
Colossions 2:12 "Through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead.
This is true evidence Jesus and God are One.

Just don't marry into Isis.

Are you denying the Roman Catholic Church now? In this time of trouble you are running?
Roman Catholic-Catholic's, universal are all the same, you worship after the other.

fotodaddy:
Please take care not to confuse the Roman Catholic Church with the Catholic Church (Catholic on its own mean universal)

What does the Bible say: I quote Jesus: "What ever you ask the Father in My name, ". This is why we pray in the Name of Jesus. Prior to Jesus's resurrection prayers where generally made through prophets and priests. And people did not have access to God except through them Now as christians, we have already gone through him (accepted his sacrifice) and are in Gods presence. We do not need to pray through Him anymore(since during the second birth we went through Him already) but only in his name (as our position has already been established by Him)

Simple logic: Legally things are established by people. And done in their name not thought their name. "I come in the name of Ceasar" is a typical example. Means we have exactly the same authority as Ceasar in that situation ie we are running his errands.

People lets be wise.

He was born around the time of year the shepherds could stay out in the deserts looking after their flocks day and night. The time of year was around March April.
Luke 2:8 "Now there were in the same country shepherds living out in the fields, Keeping watch over their flocks by night.
Listen to this Jewish man.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptlsXtTf6n0

OLAADEGBU:
Was Jesus born on December 25? Is December 25 Jesus' birthday? How did December 25 get chosen as the day to celebrate the birth of Jesus?

- http://www.gotquestions.org/December-25.html

Why don't Catholic's pray straight to God?
Matthew 6:6 "But when you pray go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen, Then your Father who see's what is done in secret, will reward you.
Why do Catholic's pray to the dead? Mary can't reward you-only God can.
Give your life's totally over the Christ give Him all the glory he's Blessed with.
Say this prayer.
Lord I ask you to come into my heart-forgive me Lord from all my sins, I ask you to deliver me from the evil one of this world-give me the light that shines from you, into me, that I now become a follower of Christ, I believe God had raised you from the dead-I believe Lord, you are my savour, my Lord and my king. I repent for the crimes I have committed against my fellow brothers and sisters. I Thank God the Father has given me this opportunity to have this choice to believe. I believe' Jesus Christ is Lord. Amen
Jesus is the only way into heaven-He said to Nicodemus one must be Born again before He can enter into the Kingdom of God.
He was giving Nicodemus a Choice.
Theirs no-other way, Mary can't save you-but once you are their, she can meet you, with all the saints, Jesus, your families, friends, they are all waiting for us to come.
The way and the truth and the life, is through Jesus.

Mcowubaba:
Exempt for the hail mary prayer.....
'Holy Mary Pray for Us sinners now nd @ the hour of our Death'
Even the memorare-
'Remember O Most Blessed Virgin Mary, that is a thing unheard of, that anyone who impored your help was left forsaken, here i come, before thee I stand, a sinful nd sorrowful sinner, despite not my poor words O mother of the world incarnate'
All this things na Prayer na...
Jesus Christ Clearly said ' I AM THE WAY THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE NO ONE COMMET TO THE FATHER EXCEPT THROUGH ME' =This is the summary of this discussion QED!!

Nd ps..u don't need any mediator/ intersesor to connect to JESUS CHRIST.... But u need JESUS CHRIST to connect to the FATHER...
Tanks

The Catholic's all agreed, it was Mary who led them to Christ?
1 Corinthians 1:9 "God is faithful, who had called you into fellowship with His Son Jesus Christ our Lord.
Mary has not got this authority, all the authority was given to Jesus by God, It's God who calls us to Jesus.
Mary died with the apostles back then, we are the new disciples spreading the word of God further into our time flame, while our youth will take it even further to the next generation.

Jusmudi:
Says who?

These are facts-of course you are trying to protect your Church.
You have dedicated you life into the Catholic Catholic-the Churches hole mission, is about people like you.
You haven't any proof I am wrong, only your say so.
Prove to the world, they are wrong-and you are right, come on be brave and step out of your comfort zone and show some evidence.

jaegermesiter:
We are talking of Facts you are posting cheap conspiracy theories.......your reasoning is just so not what I expected.

So was the many other disciples.

jaegermesiter:
Pls be careful with your diction as been possessed is synonymous with unclean spirits and excorcism,we are talking about the mother of christ who was present at pentecost

Its good we don't need the universal Church any more-guess' we can have Churches in our own living rooms these day's, who needs you?
Jesus said: when two or three are gathered, He is in the midst of them.

jaegermesiter:
My prayer is the prayer of the universal church

Are you really this dumb?

dmandy:
What's funny? Is he not correct, If you fall down from your chair while laughing, are you not worshipping?

Why don't you enjoy watching this video, and you too can enjoy the enjoyments we all enjoy. The truth will set you free.
It's no good getting up me about this, all I am doing is sharing what others have shared to the world.
If you don't like the idea reading this, then climb under your bed, and hide for the rest of your lonely day's in life.
The news is spreading at a faster rate, the net and other resources are flooded with news such as these-all you need to do is just get yourself out from your comfort zone, and start living.
Its beautiful knowing' Christ lives in me, and I in Him. Try it sometime-Jesus promises you-He will set you free.

jaegermesiter:
Where do you get all these mis-information from? The same church that called councils on the divinity of christ,canon of the bible...and for the white missionary priests,there sweat were never in vain,they ventured far deep into territories that ecven the indigenous priest wouldn't venture into,spreading the faith as well as qualitative and charitable health care and education..I remember the late bishop shenehan

Tell us your prayer?

jaegermesiter:
Words of the prayer of Blessed Mary of the Divine HeartEdit
My most loving Jesus, I consecrate myself anew today and without reserve to Your Divine Heart. To You I consecrate my body with all its senses, my soul with all its faculties. and my whole being. To you I consecrate all my thoughts, words and works; all my sufferings and labors; all my hopes, consolations and joys; and chiefly I consecrate to You my poor heart that I may love but You, and be consumed as a victim in the flames of Your love.

Accept, O Jesus, my most loving Spouse, the desire I have to console Your Divine Heart and to belong to You forever. Take possession of me in such a manner that henceforward I may have no other liberty than that of loving You, no other life than that of suffering and dying for you.

In You I place unbounded confidence, and I hope for pardon of my sins from Your infinite mercy. In Your hands I lay all my cares and principally that of my eternal salvation. I promise to love You and to honor You until the last moment of my life, and to propagate as far as I am able, with the help of Your Divine grace, devotion to Your most Sacred Heart.

Dispose of me O Divine Heart of Jesus, according to Your good pleasure. I desire no other recompense than Your greater glory and Your holy love.

Grant me the grace to find in Your most Sacred Heart my dwelling place; there I desire to pass each day of my life; there I wish to breathe forth my last sigh. Make also my heart Your abode, the place of Your repose; that so we may remain intimately united until one day I may praise, love and possess You for all eternity, and sing forever the infinite mercies of Your most Sacred Heart. Amen.

Mary had already died, she can't lead anyone to Christ-you need to rely on God to call you to His Son Jesus Christ.

jaegermesiter:
By a divine being,to guide you to Jesus christ,member of the church triumphant

Are you made up with flesh and blood, bones "Soul {Spirit} living inside you?
How many people do you see-One.
Jesus is One with God. do you understand? God is Spirit living inside Jesus, how many people, do you see-One.

Sarang:
Exactly what is your point?
Jesus is God?

Nnaa i no de understand ur grammer abeg..

After the Catholic's hid the secrets of the manuscripts of God, from the world. Read up your history.
The Catholic Church isn't a Church, as we all know it to be, its an army. Watch this if you dare
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWru1tTjIPk

jaegermesiter:
It took 2000 years to discover sub saharan africa starting with the cape of horn...
The sma and spiritian priests,CMS and anglicans spread the christian faith across nigeria and the bight of benin(now the gulf of guinea)

Of course-without searching for any truth yourselves, everyone who had spoken out about the Catholic Church, without any thought the Catholic's have branded us as lairs, I know you are faithful to your Church-and you are taught to be faithful to Mary-but you have got to draw the line somewhere in life-and search the scriptures, and find the truth within.
We go through a lot of trouble searching for the truth, The nets are covered with information, Books are written, the truth's out there, you just need to look.
Why do you Catholic's always jump-when something is said: you ramp and raid-yelling at the top of your voices-cursing, and mocking those who are truly seeking to find any truth.
You don't even try' to search, truth, that involves the Catholic Church, or any other Church.
The best part about having this forum-it gives us all a chance to listen to our brothers and sisters-with the information we retrieve, we share our finds.
When someone seems to be out of line, my first reaction isn't mocking those you spoke out, I don't ramp and raid cursing them, calling them lairs, I spend some time searching, to see if there's any truth' what these people are saying. This is how we all learn, isn't it?
Constantine not only did he allowed the new Christians to join his Church, he himself didn't believe-he was a pagan idol worshipper. It was just before he died-he became a Catholic.

jaegermesiter:
You are so anti catholic and a liar so what did d eastern church of costantinople speak then or the greek churches.....stop lying

You keep on saying I am African, I am not African, I am from another part of the world, so because I am writing on this forum it doesn't mean I am part of Africa.
Jesus has the Spirit of God and of course he was in human form, like we are. His message was preach throughout the regions, before and after Jesus was alive.
The disciples could speak about Christ in those day's clearly-only because they stood by His side until death.
Of course Jesus said go out unto the world and preach the gospel, and make new disciples of all men, what better way, the disciples had written their own experience's on manuscripts, led by the Holy Spirit. So the word of God can travel further into the distance, around the world.
John 20:29 "Then Jesus told him, because you have seen Me, you have believed; Blessed are those who have not seen Me, and believed.
Back in those day's not only did the disciples, but many of the by standers seen Jesus do His miracles-they heard Him preach, so of course they would believe and follow after Christ.
Jesus said: Blessed are those who didn't see Him'and believed-this is where the bible is needed. You need to know the Spirit of God, won't come to you, unless He calls you to Jesus.
Even thru you believe God covers the universe, and His words come to us without human intervention.
1 Corinthians 1:9 "God is faithful, who has called you into fellowship with His Son, Jesus Christ our Lord.
Ephesians 4:11 "So Christ gave some as apostles, some as pastors, some as prophets, and some evangelist, and some teachers. All part of the body of Christ to learn of each other.
Before time, people had the Quran and the Koran were written manuscripts to believe, The Jews always met in homes reading out these manuscripts to each other about God. How about the Torah given to Moses. The 10 commandments were written by God. So yes we need the bible to guild us through the scriptures-how else do we learn about Christ and believe?

LoJ:
Of Course JESUS preached to him. Was Jesus a Human at that time? If Paul believed without human intervention, why do you think some Africans couldn't believe without human intervention?

Again I repeat. After the departure of JESUS and Before the Bible was written, they were people who served GOD in truth. How did they manage without any book? The Bible and indeed any book is not synonymous to the living word of Christ, which is vibrant in the whole universe.

Cheers.

Not a anti Catholic at all, I just know the truth about you. It was the Catholic Church who back up Hitler, before he murdered the Jews.
Do we go on?

jaegermesiter:
You are so anti catholic and a liar so what did d eastern church of costantinople speak then or the greek churches.....stop lying

The bible say's the Father and Jesus are one. No one can deny that, it's written. John 17:21.
"Listen" God is Spirit and Jesus is the flesh, we have spirits, "right" God's seed {Spirit} entered Mary, later Jesus was born.
So if God is Spirit, as the bible tells us so, and Jesus is the flesh as the bible tells us also, at the beginning God breathed into man to give us life, "right" then if God can do that with man-then why can't you believe Jesus also received His Fathers Spirit, this time through His seed, and Jesus came into the world, the same way we are born.
Adam received the breath of life-since then every soul that's born, receives it the same way.
God is love-every man women and child all have received God's love. Which makes us one with the love of God.
He said let us make man in our own image {THE WORD DID SAY OUR IMAGE} who was God' preferring too here? Who was with God at the time-was the word in the flesh, did Jesus say before Abraham was born I am, did Adam say he saw the Lord God walking in the garden-so does this mean he had only seen one flesh walking in the garden.{He didn't say he saw the Father walking with His Son} So does this prove Jesus was from the beginning-the word. The word lived among us-Mary was filled with the Holy Spirit, Both' Spirit and man are One.
If no-one has seen God at any time-then how can you say God is a man, and not believe God is Spirit, Gods Spirit lives in Jesus.
John 1:1 "In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God.
Think about it? You need the Spirit of God to help you.

Sarang:
If you mean that Jesus reflects his Father's qualities then you are right.
But they are distinct individuals.

Like you said John 1:18 no one has seen God at any time.
Verse 14..the word was made flesh and dwelt among us.

Yes Jesus had lived with his father for thousands of years,enough to know him and he knows him well enough.
He reflected perfectly his father's qualities.

But if you think they are both SAME.
Then I will ask you. Who was John 3:16 talking about and who bore the begotten son been refered to here?

Paul did believe because someone preached to Him-Jesus preached to Him-and later the Holy Spirit teaches him all things.
The manuscripts were written by the disciples-led by the Holy Spirit.
Jesus told His disciple to go out unto the world and preach the gospel, how else can anyone know the word of God without someone sharing the it?
Jesus knew writing the bible was necessary, the bible teaches us how to get into the word of God, its like a diary-without it, how can we learn who our new Father is.
The bible is necessary to Quote scriptures, to prove you are talking about Christ, and not on your own understanding.
You don't believe in once born again always born again do you?
And the bible always comes in handy when I am alone, I can read it in peace.

LoJ:
Hello Brocab,

If God knew that knowledge of the Bible was indispensable for Salvation, he would have made the Bible available everywhere at every time, so that no one may be disadvantaged because of his location or the period in which he is born. The fact that the Bible could be held captive, and that still today, there are places where people have no access to it, is a proof that the Bible is not necessary for Salvation. I am not saying that the Bible is not useful or not useful for salvation. There is a difference between useful and necessary.

Besides, how were people saved before the Bible was written? Most books of the new testaments were written many many years after the departure of Jesus. Moreover, what about your ancestors in Africa? According to you they are deprived of Salvation, just because a religious organisation did not want them to have access to the Bible? Is it consistent with the attribute of the Justice of GOD?


Human intervention is not required for anyone to have access to the living word of GOD. Did Paul believe because someone preached to Him? Even today, those who truly want it can have access to the message of JESUS, with or without human intervention.

Cheers.

So bowing down to Mary is part of their ways of worship, to prove they are Catholic?

KingEbukaNaija:
'Catholic faith' refers to his beliefs as a member of the Catholic Church . One of his beliefs he has to relinquish is to the perpetual virginity of Mary.

No it doesn't belong the the catholic Church they stole it, laying their claims on the manuscripts the disciples wrote about Christ centuries ago. Not allowing the world to see the hidden secrets of the truth these manuscripts had.
The Catholic Church translated the bible into a Latin language, only because they didn't want the world to know the truths about Christ Himself.
It was Men and women who had some schooling understood the Latin language-had risks their lives-knowing if they were caught the Catholic Church will burn them to the steak-or murder them another way.
It was only because they understood the manuscripts, they had found the hidden secrets what the manuscripts had to offer, they continual'ed to rewrite the books in languages we all know. And this book is now called the bible.
If it wasn't for these men and women who had risks their lives, we would be still, living in the dark ages.

Quote>The word of Christ is living and shinning in the whole universe and is accessible to anyone who truly wishes, without human intervention.
What you are not understanding is-even thru you believe the word of God is everywhere around the universe-not everyone hears the word, unless someone brings them the word-preachers the word-allowing the death ears to hear.
The word can only live in the hearts of every man, women and Child, who have listened and accepted the word of God into their life's, spreading the gospel further to the end of time. It wasn't just made up out of thin air, Christ may be shinning all over the universe, but I assure you, on planet earth, the manuscripts were written by the disciples, led by the Holy Spirit.

LoJ:
Hello dear Brocab,

The true message of God does not belong to Catholicism, nor to any other religious movement. The true message of God can't be held captive by any human being, nor any denomination, for it is a divine institution. The true message of GOD is not limited by the distribution of the Bible, the Koran, or any other religious book.

The word of Christ is living and shining in the whole universe and is accessible to anyone who truly wishes, with or without human intervention. Religion and denominations are not a requirement to come to the recognition of GOD and his laws. Indeed there were people in Africa/America who were great followers of Christ, even before the colonization.

Cheers.