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With the above heading, I am also one who don't fellowship in Churches, and of course we have our reasons why?
I found while attending the many Churches I had stayed with, everything always starts from the top-I have witnessed it myself the head pastors leading the body of Christ into a raging nightmare-Churches such as these' [color=#000000]are like walking into a school yard, expecting a child to think the good things in life, while that child's being bullied.[/color]
Most pastors believe once in power they can say and do, what they please, mocking the Church, while the Church does "nothing".
One pastor said: he can fly through 3 states in one day, from breakfast till dinner-while those who refuse to pay tithes retrieve none.

Many Churches act on these same principles, {as the school yard continual's} the word of God isn't preached. Pastor's are known to be bullies in Church. After selling their souls for a price, controlled by the Government authorities, gaining schools, books, uniforms etc.. Church are organised worldly business that's controlled under the Government untaxable clarity acts. The word of God is led by the authorities above, hiding behind the word of God-twisting the scriptures for their own selfish financial gains. {Money} Not just the prosperity preachers, but all preachers who have chosen to follow suit under this condemnation, Building mega homes, Churches, businesses, planes, etc.. all untaxable.
1 Timothy 6:3-5 "If anyone teaches otherwise and does not consent to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which accords with godliness, he is proud knowing nothing, but obsessed with disputes and arguments over words which comes envy, strife, reviling, evil suspicions, useless wrangling, men of corrupt minds destitute of the truth who suppose that godliness is the means of gain.
[color=#000000]This courses Judgement, Gossips, back stabbers, busybodies, haters, jealousy, Condemnation, within the body etc.. All classed as bullies.[/color]

As part of the body of Christ, I believe we are not separated from the word of God, Its a choice to make your decision, We either believe in the truth, study the truth, learn about the truth, accepting Jesus into our hearts becoming a born again Christian, which is the key to our success in Christ.. Knowing His truth by seeking His kingdom believing that God had raised Jesus from the dead, is enough to know who the true believers are, nothing else matters.
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Since I have left the Church my-Spiritual inter-being has gained 100%, I am forever more learning either on this forum, listening to you, or I search for the scriptures written else where.
And we must all remember, by their fruits you will know who the true Christians are..[/color]
Going to Church doesn't mean you are a Christian.
Jesus Christ is Lord.
Amen....

It's a proven fact the Catholic Church isn't the Church Christ would attend too, matter of fact the Catholic's have rejected Christ in worship and praise.
I have a video showing live footage who the Catholic's truly worship and it isn't Christ.
This will blow your mind.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUN-XEU6HUc

BiafranAvatar:
You lives in glass hauz,,, don't throw stone!!!




If there's any church on earth that is perfect and close to God and sample the kind of church Christ would attend if he gat the chance –It's Catholic Church!!!...


We're all one in the body of Christ as A Catholic or as Protestant...



What matters is —Worshipping The True God In Truth And In Spirit... That's all the doctrines are there for...



Do you believe a non Christian can and are going to make heaven while some so called catholic and protestants will be the lake of hell

Thank you. Praise the Lord

Jusmudi:
I do watch smtims, though nt all d time, nd according 2 u, I learnt a lot

This really puzzles me, the Catholic's have the bible in front of them, they call themselves Christians, and yet with the first chance they get they try to persuade others to believe in a doctrine, that has nothing to do with the word of God.
Matthew 6:6 "But when you pray, go into your room close the door and pray, to your Father, who is unseen, Then your Father who see's what is done in secret will reward you.
How simple is that.
The bible nowhere mentions anyone asking for someone in heaven to pray for them, the bible nowhere describes anyone in heaven praying for anyone on earth.
God doesn't answer prayers based on who is praying. God answers prayers based on whether they are asking according to His will.
1 John 5:14-15 "And this is the confidence that we have toward Him, that if we ask anything according to His will He hears us. And if we know that He hears us in whatever we ask, we know that we have the requests, that we have asked of Him.
There is no obsoletely no bases or need to pray to anyone other then God alone. There is no bases for asking for those who are in heaven to pray for us. Only God can hear our prayers, only God can answer our prayers. No-one in heaven had any greater access to God's throne than we do through prayer
Hebrews 4:16 " Let us then with confidence draw near to the throne of grace, that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need.
Catholic's argue that praying to Mary and the saints is the same as asking someone here on earth to pray for us. The apostle Paul asks other Christians to pray for him in Ephesians 6:19 many scriptures describe believers praying for one another 2 Corinthians 1:11 Ephesians 1:16 Philippians 1:19 2 Timothy 1:3. The bible nowhere mentions anyone asking for someone in heaven to pray for them, the bible nowhere describes anyone in heaven praying for anyone on earth. Only Jesus is our mediator between God and man.
Revelation 6:9 "The saints were not praying for us, they said How long" O lord will you avenge our blood on the earth Jesus said you shall rest a little while longer until the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed.
This scripture DOES NOT tell us the saints are praying for us.

Jusmudi:
Did u read d book of Revelation on Hw d tim dey wanted 2 open d seal? Hw d prayers of d saints worked?

We have heard about these testimonies before, people are not with the program, many believe using testimonies such as this, will have a strong hold, over God's people, using fear as a tool too frighten people to pay that extra amount into the Churches funds.

I find these testimonies only frighten those who haven't received any revelation from the lord, I find people who believe in tithes, are people who spend little time into the word of God.
Churches stick with their own formats, same old routine, same old faces, preaching the lie, rather then preach the truth about Christ.
2 Thessalonians 2:11 "For this reason, God will send them a powerful delusion, so that they will believe the lie.

I find after the sermon people can't seem to reveal the truth about Christ, many find it's too complicated, but God didn't write the bible to be complicated, He wrote it to be simple, we don't need rocket science to read between the lines.
We need the Holy Spirit.
Matthew 6:26 "Look at the birds of the air, they neither sow nor do they reap, nor put into barns, and yet the heavenly Father feeds them. How much more are you
1 Timothy 6:5 "Men of corrupted minds destitute of the truth, who suppose that godliness as a means of financial gain.
From such withdraw yourselves.
So with the many scriptures the lord had revealed to us, shows us this testimony is a lie from the beginning.

We become born again by choice, its up to you.

joyandfaith:
WHO causes the new birth? When exhorting their listeners to become born-again Christians, some preachers quote Jesus’ words: “You people must be born again.” ( ) Such ministers use these words as a command, in effect saying, “Be born again!” They thus preach that it is up to each believer to obey Jesus and take the necessary steps to undergo the new birth. According to such reasoning, the new birth is a matter of personal choice. But is that view in harmony with what Jesus told Nicodemus?
A careful reading of Jesus’ words shows that Jesus did not teach that it is up to man to choose whether to experience the new birth or not. Why do we say this? The Greek expression translated “is born again” can also be rendered “should be born from above.” Thus, according to that alternate rendering, the new birth originates “from above”—that is, “from heaven,” or “from the Father.” ( ; footnote; ) Yes, it is caused by God.— .
If we keep the expression “from above” in mind, it is not hard to understand why an individual cannot cause his own new birth. Just think of your physical birth. Was it up to you to make the choice that led to your birth? Of course not! You were born because you were begotten by your father. Similarly, we can experience the new birth only if God, our heavenly Father, causes our new birth. ( ) Thus, the apostle Peter rightly states: “Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, for according to his great mercy he gave us a new birth.”— .
Is It a Command?
Some may wonder, though, ‘If it is true that no one can decide on his own to be born again, why did Jesus give the command: “You people must be born again”?’ That is a valid question. After all, if Jesus’ words do indeed constitute a command, he would be ordering us to do something beyond our control. That does not sound reasonable. Then, how should the words you must be “born again” be understood?
A closer look at that phrase in its original language shows that it is not rendered in the imperative mood, or in the form of a command. Rather, the phrase is rendered in the form of a statement. In other words, when Jesus said you must be “born again,” he was stating a fact, not giving a command. He said: “It is necessary for you to be born from above.”—
, Modern Young’s Literal Translation.
To illustrate this matter of command versus statement of fact, think of a comparison. Picture a city that has several schools. One of them is set aside as a school for students belonging to a native, or indigenous, population living in an area far from that city. One day, a young man who does not belong to that native group tells the principal of that school, “I want to enroll in your school.” The principal tells him, “To enroll, you must be a native.” Of course, the principal’s words are not a command. He is not ordering the student, “Be a native!” The principal simply states the fact—the requirement for attending that school. Similarly, when Jesus said: “You people must be born again,” he was simply stating a fact—the requirement for one to “enter into the kingdom of God.”
That last thought—the Kingdom of God—has a bearing on yet another aspect of the new birth. It concerns the question, What is its purpose? Knowing the answer to that question is a key to understanding accurately what it means to be born again.

And still Christ has all the authority given to Him. Jesus is the only one who can save you.

joyandfaith:
john 17:3

We are the body, and the body works in different ways, without it the pastor can't function.
If IAH is building her faith, without Going to a Church, then support her, she maybe preaching, that you aren't doing enough off.
Jesus said: go out unto all the nations making disciples of all men, baptising them into the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit.
Luke 8:21 "Jesus also said those who listen to His word and does them, these are He's Mother and brothers.
Also when two or three are gathered in His name, He is in the mist of them.
Attending a Church at the start of some ones new Christian walk, yes, I agree. Churches are to be used as a base where people can learn how to be a Christian, learn why the Lord had called us into His kingdom, learn the gifts of wisdom and knowledge.
With the Spirit of God working in each of us, From the milk we once had, the Holy Spirit had anointed us with solid food, that fills our hearts with the love of God, He gives us a discernment between good and evil. Churches are used by God to teach and equip the saints of Christ.
Ephesians 4:11-12"Some Pastors, Some Evangelist, Some apostles, Some prophets, Some teachers. For the perfecting for the work of the ministry for the edifying of the body of Christ.
We are trained to go out and spread the gospel, and if IAH is doing just that, then she is doing what the Lord had written, go out unto all the nations making disciples of all men, baptising them in the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.
The problem with this is we have two many critic's, and every critic always find themselves arguing against their follow believer.
So one may ask, how long do you need to be fed, before you decide to take your stand?

goodguy:
I answered you the same way you asked. You said, "Is it compulsory?" and I answered, "Yes, it is." If you had asked, "Why must I go to church", I would have given you the answer u're demanding now.


Congrats! But that shouldn't be an excuse for not going to church anyway.


If you're talking about your own church, then go to another church! There are several other denominations.. If you really want to gain something in church, you will. It all depends on you. For those of us that go to church every sunday, we know what we gain.


If you are a woman of God, then you should be working in HIS VINEYARD (CHURCH).


Why not? Look, I know where you're heading to ok? This is not a case of doing with or without a pastor. There must always be a HEAD in every place, whom you'll have no choice but to abide by his doctrines. Note that pastors are men of God and in most cases, whatever they decide is usually approved by God so who are you to say you can't live by their doctrines? (That's more or less like saying u can't obey God).


Exactly how I said it. If you can't live by the doctrines of a human being who's meant to be head over you in church, then I doubt if you'll live by the doctrines of the human being who's meant to be head over you at home. (your husband i mean).


Everything is! The solution to your problem lies within you.


I was making the announcement for those who aren't aware.. duhh!

DON'T LET RELIGION GET IN YOUR WAY

alheri:
Let us pray: our father,who art in heaven,hallowed be thy name,thy kingdom come,thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven,give us this day our daily bread and forgive us our tresspasses as we forgive those who tresspass against us,and lead us not into temptation but deliver us from evil,for thy is the kingdom,the power and the glory for ever and ever, AMEN. I want God to forgive me becos i think I have sinned by reading some of ur comments.

Na wa oh.

Maybe your the right person to speak too?
Someone who haven't a clue what everyone is talking about-I suppose it would be safer taken my broken down car to a carpenter, then a mechanic.

Matured26:
Could not help but laugh when I read your post.
Let me beg you-It's the greatest dellusion christians are falling into now.
The faith grows stronger when the right people are beside you to share it.
Think abt that

Ok lets speak against your creator, what's his name-Lucifer.

NduGod:
this forum is becoming unbecoming. Michelin89 said she dosen't believe in God. am becoming afride of some of the members of this forum. l have said this before, let not bring religion issues here less we speak against our creator.

IAH is listening, She's listening to you wring.

gbadex1:
much ado about nothing.

y'all should forgive me if i sound rude, but threads like this are useless. if you (IAH) had decided in your heart not to go to church and plug your ears with cotton wool so as not to listen to what others have to say, then what's the use and point in creating this thread? the only thing i can do for you is pray that God makes you see the light. se finni.

let me give you some advice: read your Bible for more clarification and then seek counselling from what you're running away from: the church. or seek counsel from matured Christians.


end of story. 'nuff said

Done.

samted:
totally..no argument

Why should you go to Church, myself a like, going to Church can drag someone down, with all the corruption, the lies, the gossips, the back stabbers, the judges, the dislikes, doesn't support people to stay.
Churches can be like walking into a school yard, and how can a child think of the goods things in life, when one is being bullied.
The Lord says if they don't listen to you, wipe your feet and walk the other way. Mark 6:11
Matthew 18:20 "Jesus said: when two or three are gathered in My name, He is in the mist of them.
Many Churches don't even preach the word of God anymore, but rather twist the word' preaching another gospel that's unscriptural, asking for tithes that doesn't belong to them.
1 Timothy 6:5 "Men of corrupted minds destitute of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a way to make financial Gain, From such withdraw yourselves.
So you withdrawed yourself, and that made a difference in you-so why should you go to Church?

IAH:
I'm a Christian But I Don't Need No Church!

I'm a Christian but I'm saying Goodbye to all churches. I don't need one.

Is there anything wrong with that? Can't I worship God in my room? Why do people think I'm not a serious Christian because I've chosen to stop going to church? Why must they try to drag me to church? Is it compulsory? Won't God answer my prayers in my room or would I go to hell because I have no church?

I don't want to live by the doctrines/dictates of a human being like me who calls himself a Pastor. I just want to follow Jesus. Somebody tell me what's wrong with that?

Your not listening, anything to do with face book are all lies. Face book is used as a tool to get as much information from you, that when any time someone needs a little info, they go to face book.
I don't care if the Pope's using face book, In your case, the Pope's spreading another gospel that doesn't tune into the word of God.

Ubenedictus:
u think THE VATICAN OFFICIAL FACEBOOK PAGE IS LYING but u who have been lying against d pope is d one correct abi?

One must be born again before he can enter into the kingdom of God.
Matthew 28:18-19 "Jesus said, we must be baptised in the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit. Jesus came to then and said, all authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations baptising them in the name of the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit.
In your case you are not baptised, in the Father into the Son and the Holy Spirit, Jehovah Witnesses are required to agree in addition to dedicating their life to Jehovah, their dedication identifies them as Jehovah Witnesses in accusation with Gods spirit-directed organization.
James 2:18-19 "But someone will say, "You have faith, and I have works, Show me your faith without your works.
You believe there is one God, you do well, even the demons believe-and tremble! But do you want to know, "O foolish man" that faith without works is dead.
So really you are talking rubbish to even think down those lines you are saved. Saved by whom?

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Pls add the source of the lifting.

Again I repost:
I listen to Jesus who said : this
means evalasting life , their
taking knowledge of you, the
only true God, and the one
you sent, Jesus Christ! .
I now know how to gain
evalasting life, by reading and
applying the word of God, the
father, our creator, the only
true God.
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Being hypercritical is what you are, look at you, you are also showing proof, if JW's don't get on the net, then why are you on the net. The nets the net, it doesn't matter where one advertises, it's still the net. Someone had written the above, that even you, have answered to this page. Mr big mouth himself is advertising his beliefs on the net?
I suppose its all right for you to stay clear of you tube, only because you are too gutless to find out the truth about yourself.
But not for these JW's they are looking beyond, I am sure many thousands have found what they are looking for, you have no idea, and as we can see some JW's are more advanced then you are, they use you tube, blending in with the program, and here is you, a critic, who's too frightened to step away from your own nesting's.
Get with the program, blend in, the young people won't listen to no-body, unless, theirs something in it for them. Technology has taken over.
And you have the cheek to call everybody else a liar, when really you are just plain silly to figure out who the real liar is.
IT's YOU.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnDa053tS0c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NCLZBixxYw

dolphinheart:
@ brocab:

You need to ask the person(s) who told you this lie to show proof.


So because they use the internet, then you believe they use youtube.?
The way you reach conclusions atimes!


You just said they do it!

[quite]With the technology we have today, the computer industry has taken over the world, people aren't listening any- longer so you need to tune in with the program, and see how the world has turned over these last days, young people are either into their phones or a computer, and where's the best place to get their attention is sign up and learn about the computer world.
And reach out.
Ok o.

So yes you are wrong, the JW's have caught on to the program, using the net, like you and I- how else are we commutating?
Bro, internet and youtube dnt mean the same thing!
I use the internet does not mean I use youtube, so dnt defend your false accusation with a different thing, go and those who told you that jehovahs witnesses made that video to provide proof for you.

That's a pity, because sometimes we can learn a great deal learning other peoples work, it's amazing how the stories can fit in, When I read the bible, and I wan't some kind of a clear view on it, I watch a movie of Christ, or the actor I am searching for.

Jusmudi:
I don watch video

If Raphael is only found in the Catholic bible, then why are you asking "me" if I believe in him?
Moses had died, Mary also have died, the only one that lives is the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit pray to Him.
Mary can't save you, only Christ can.
Why worship the dead? why pray to them? Jesus said let the dead bury the dead.

Jusmudi:
because if Raphael is nt found in ur bible bt only catholic bible yer u bliv, u ll also agree wit me what hapd 2 Moses wen e interceded 4 d israelites, y can't mary interced

Maybe, but the truth is Christ, do you agree?

samted:
y'all are deep as Bleep!!!

At least I know my bible. Not like you.

Jessicha:
A totally Confuse man .

Yes it was the JW's who had advertised themselves on you tube, and other around the world, theirs many programs the JW's have advertised, theirs plenty of reading for everybody. You would be amazed to see how many JW's are using the net as a tool to reach out and spread your gospel.
Christians all over this planet are the doing the same, You need to get with the times.
With the technology we have today, the computer industry has taken over the world, people aren't listening any-longer so
you need to tune in with the program, and see how the world has turned over these last days, young people are either into their phones or a computer, and where's the best place to get their attention is sign up and learn about the computer world.
And reach out.
So yes you are wrong, the JW's have caught on to the program, using the net, like you and I-how else are we commutating?

dolphinheart:
@ brocab

Jehovahs witnesses dnt put videos on youtube, neither do they authorize anyone to do so on their behalf.
The person that told you that jehovahs witnesses made that video lied to you.



Yes, no one has added verse 21.



Yes, when they noticed that the statements found in verse 21 are not in the earlier and best manuscripts. The did not put in their translation. Other translators are following suit, and those that do not, inform readers of the issues or problem they are having with the verse, just as the New King. James Version did.
This is the same thing they (nkjv and others) did to most of the verses that other translators have had courage to remove or correct.
I know you dnt know these before, but now that you know, use the knowledge.

You can check or make research on 1 ti 3:16 too.


How many times do I have to tell you that you can't remove something that was not there in the first place!
And I will again ask you to investigate the so many translators who do not have that verse in their translations.


1. It was not jesus that was talking in the verse you quoted.
2. You have not shown us where jesus appeared 3 times to the disciples.

Yes, the number 3 is important, yes it is used many times in the bible, but it does not mean those three are equal!.


And ill tell you one more time, they are not missing in the manuscript that their bible was translated from. Hence it is not missing in the translated version.

These issue mordern translations have noticed, and are not making amends.

What other bible say?
What about the so many other translators listed in my post. Are they gays too?!
I was not specific on the NIV as the only translator that dnt have that verse, neither did i tell you they are the leader of those that dnt have the verse.
So I wonder why you are specific on only the NIV . Probably cus you can't find dirt on them to use as excuse.

Did you read the reason why they removed it? If you dnt know, did you ask them?
You are so adamant on the removal, so you refuse to investigate the reason why, even when statements made in the footnote of those who added those verses cast doubt on its authenticity. Even the author of the nkjv tells u to use ur church mind to determine if what they translated is true or not *paraphrase*


Good.
Again I repost:
I listen to Jesus who said : this
means evalasting life , their
taking knowledge of you, the
only true God, and the one
you sent, Jesus Christ! .
I now know how to gain
evalasting life, by reading and
applying the word of God, the
father, our creator, the only
true God.

I believe its you who had refused to look DEEPER into why the change of the bible was done?

And the scripture when Jesus had appeared to His disciples 3 times is in {John 21:14}

Over the past few decades, new bible translations have been popping up like popcorn. Many strong Christians have stood their Ground and continual to believe, read, and study the Authorised King James Bible. Many others, how ever, have forsaken the book that God used for centuries. Such people have falling for smooth advertising schemes and have actually started believing that the modern versions are superior to the King James Bible.
It's very sad today that Christians have not taken time to study the subject thoroughly enough to see what is happening.

Originally we published only one tract about the King James Bible. The tract is titled, how I know the King James "Is" the word of God as it presents some rather strong arguments for the KJV. Then we offer a second tract, titled Lets Compare Bibles. This tract shows that the modern translation are literally attracting God's word! Both of these tracts are still available and are free upon request.
Now, with the grace of God, we are able to offer a third tract about the King James issue. We call it fables and facts about the King James Bible. It's purpose is to educate Christians about the KJV by clearing some fables that had been spread by the critics. Far to many Christians are accepting the Authorised version by faith alone, rather that working and studying to become more grounded in some of the basic FACTS about this important issue. The following information should be helpful to the believer, who decides to be readily armed with TRUTH.

FABLE: The King James Bible was revised several times before 1800 so modern translations are just additional revisions of the original King James Bible of 1611.

FACTS:The so called "revisions" of the King James Bible prior to 1800 were correct. Typographical errors, add notes, and omit the Apocrypha from between the testaments. There were no changes in the actual TEXT of the King James Bible. The real changes {Over 36,000 of them} didn't start until the modern revisionist came on the scene.

FABLE: The modern translation are more accurate because they have been translated from older and better manuscripts.

FACTS: It is truly amazing how so many Christians have brought into this lie without ever checking what these manuscripts are, Where they came from,and Who wrote them. It's also strange that no-one seems to be asking the question? "Has God has honoured these 'older and better manuscripts throughout Church history?
The modern translation are based on the work of two nineteenth century Greek scholars from England-B.F, Westcott, and F.J.A Hort.
{Westcott and Hort} were deeply involved in the occult, hated and Textus and receptus Greek text from which the King James was translated, so they conjured up THEIR OWN Greek text. This Westcott and Hort Greek text was based primarily on two very corrupt fourth century ROMAN CATHOLIC Manuscripts. Codex Vaticanus { Discovered in the Pope's library in 1481}and Sinaiticus {Discovered in 1859 in a trash can at St' Catherine's monastery on Mt. Sinai} These are usually "older and better" manuscripts that we keep hearing so much about. These manuscripts supports most of the attacks in the new visions.
The Vaticanus is considered to be the most authoritative, although it was responsible for over 36,000 changes that appear today in the new version. This perverted manuscripts contains the books of pagan Apocrypha, which are not scriptural;it omits the pastoral epistles
{1 Timothy to Titus} the book of Revelation, and its cut off of the book of Hebrews at {Hebrew 9:14} {A very convenient stopping point for the Catholic Church, since God forbids their priesthood in Hebrews 10} The attacks on the word of God found in these manuscripts originated in Alexandria, Egypt, with the deceitful I work of such pagan Greek "scholars" as Origin and clement of Alexandria. Then in 313 A.D. The Roman emperor Constantine ordered fifty copes of "the Bible" from Eusebius the bishop of Caesaria, Eusebius being a devout student of Origin's work, close to send him manuscripts filled with Alexandria's corruption, rather the sending him the true word of God in the SYRIAN text in Antioch, Syria, So the corrupt Alexandria text {Also called the "Egyptian" or "Hesychian" type text} found its way into the Vatican manuscripts, then aventually into the Westcott, and Hort Greek text, and finely into the new "Bible" in your local Christian book store.
Therefore" when you hear or read of "someone" "correcting the King James Bible, with "order" or "more authoritative" manuscripts, you are simply hearing someone trying to use the Roman Catholic text to overthrow the God-honoured text of the protestant reformation and the great revivals. God has never honoured this corrupt text and He never will.

FABLE: New translation need to correct the errors and contradictions in the King James Bible.

FACTS: NO-one has ever proven that their are errors and contradictions in the KJV. "Many "Christians" colleges and preachers have a nasty habit of pointing out APPARENT contradictions to their people, but these arguments have been disproven so many times, that it is nothing lessthen disgusting to hear them still being used.

FABLE: The new translations are needed to bring archaic Old English language up to date, People have trouble understanding the language of the King James Bible.

FACTS: The King James Bible is not hard to understand. Most of the so called "archaic" words are explained by the context of the passage or by comparing the passage with other passages in the Bible where the same words are used. Heady and high-minded people resent the King James because it is plain and simple, and it isn't in tune with their high-minded vocabulary. In fact the grade level indicater of the flesch-kincaid research company says the King James language is easier to understand then the new versions.
We certainly agree that the language of the King James Bible is a unique language, but why shouldn't be? IT'S THE WORD OF GOD.

FABLE: The King James Bible cannot be infallible because the translators were only men, and all men are sinners. The human element prevents the KJV from being infallible.

FACT: If this is true, then even the ORIGINAL AUTOGRAPHS in Hebrew and Greek were not infallible, because they too were penned by men.
The fact of the matter is that the King James translators were only "instruments" of preservation {Which is exactly what they called themselves in the dedicatory to the A.V. 1611} God has always been the Divine Preserver in His Word {Psalms 12:6-7} but He has used men as tools and instruments of preservation, just as He users men to preach His Word. When men humble themselves to the will of God, God can use them to accomplish His Will. {Romans 12:1-2} and this is precisely what happen between 1604 to 1611.

FABLE: The King James translators added to the word of God, because the italicized words I the KJV were not in the Originals.

FACTS:The Italics in the KJV proved that the translators were honest in their work. They set the words in Italics so we would know they were not in the manuscripts they were using.
Besides no-one has copies of the manuscripts today, so no-one for certain that the Italicizes aren't in them. In fact there are many cases where we know the Italicized Words are justified. For example {Deuteronomy 8:3} that the word "word" is in Italic. However, when Jesus quotes this verse in {Matthew 4:4} he includes the Italicized word! If the Italicized word does not belong in the bible, Why did the Lord Jesus Quote it?

FABLE: The Original King James Bible included the Apocrypha in the old testament.

FACT: The King James knew the Apocrypha was not scripture, so they placed between the Old and the New testaments, as a
HISTORICAL DOCUMENT not as scripture.
Friend don't be deceived by the crafty critics of God's word LEARN THE FACTS.
3 John 4:1 "I have no greater joy than to hear My children walk in truth.

dolphinheart:
@ brocab

Jehovahs witnesses dnt put videos on youtube, neither do they authorize anyone to do so on their behalf.
The person that told you that jehovahs witnesses made that video lied to you.



Yes, no one has added verse 21.



Yes, when they noticed that the statements found in verse 21 are not in the earlier and best manuscripts. The did not put in their translation. Other translators are following suit, and those that do not, inform readers of the issues or problem they are having with the verse, just as the New King. James Version did.
This is the same thing they (nkjv and others) did to most of the verses that other translators have had courage to remove or correct.
I know you dnt know these before, but now that you know, use the knowledge.

You can check or make research on 1 ti 3:16 too.


How many times do I have to tell you that you can't remove something that was not there in the first place!
And I will again ask you to investigate the so many translators who do not have that verse in their translations.


1. It was not jesus that was talking in the verse you quoted.
2. You have not shown us where jesus appeared 3 times to the disciples.

Yes, the number 3 is important, yes it is used many times in the bible, but it does not mean those three are equal!.


And ill tell you one more time, they are not missing in the manuscript that their bible was translated from. Hence it is not missing in the translated version.

These issue mordern translations have noticed, and are not making amends.

What other bible say?
What about the so many other translators listed in my post. Are they gays too?!
I was not specific on the NIV as the only translator that dnt have that verse, neither did i tell you they are the leader of those that dnt have the verse.
So I wonder why you are specific on only the NIV . Probably cus you can't find dirt on them to use as excuse.

Did you read the reason why they removed it? If you dnt know, did you ask them?
You are so adamant on the removal, so you refuse to investigate the reason why, even when statements made in the footnote of those who added those verses cast doubt on its authenticity. Even the author of the nkjv tells u to use ur church mind to determine if what they translated is true or not *paraphrase*


Good.
Again I repost:
I listen to Jesus who said : this
means evalasting life , their
taking knowledge of you, the
only true God, and the one
you sent, Jesus Christ! .
I now know how to gain
evalasting life, by reading and
applying the word of God, the
father, our creator, the only
true God.

The JW's had produced this video? So what do you say about that?

joyandfaith:
if devil produces video to attack jw, you will still ask people to watch it just to spread lies about jw.

The video was made by the JW's.
It shows that no-one had added Matthew 17:21 in your bible nor the other scriptures I had given you, you have verse Matthew 20 and 22 Usually when we read any book, they are all numbered, from one to what ever.
Your bible had completely removed it all together.
The disciples wrote the scriptures told there stories the way they had seen it, the way they were taught either by Christ or His Spirit.
Matthew mark Luke, line up together having different view points. Which is important for the readers to see and understand the truth, everything about the bible comes in three's.
2 Corinthians 13:1 "This is the third time I am coming to you.
The number 3 is used 467 times in the bible, Jesus is coming back His third time. Jesus manifested to His disciples 3 times, after He was raised from the dead, God the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit are one made from three.
As I had asked, I don't want any other scriptures to back it up, just tell me why did the JW's remove verse 21 along with the other scriptures that are missing from your bible?
These other bibles say NIV was written by Zondervan-but is now owned by Harper Collins, who also publishes the Satanic bible, and the joy of Gay sex. The NIV has removed 64,575 words from the bible including Jehovah. The NIV ESV and other Versions have also removed 45 complete verses.
Every bible that has been written has a story behind the scenes.

dolphinheart:
@ brocab



Matt 17:21

The following translations do not have the verse.(the list is not complete as there are many others who do not have that verse also).

New International Version
New Living Translation
English Standard Version
Berean Study Bible
Berean Literal Bible
NET Bible
GOD'S WORD® Translation
English Revised Version

Therefore, the notion that its only the NWT that does not have the verse in its translation is wrong!.

Some of those translations that have it had this to say in their footnotes
1. NASB
Matthew 17:21 Early mss do not contain this.
2.ISV
Matthew 17:21 Other mss.
lack this verse.
3.NKJV
a. Matthew 17:21 NU-Text
omits this verse.

This footnote shows you that those who added words to Matt 17:21 know that there is something wrong with their additions.

According to The Greek New Testament (4th Edition), edited by Aland, Metzger, et al. (2012), this verse does not appear in
the best Greek manuscripts available.
A Textual Commentary on
the Greek New Testament (2nd Edition, 2012).
On page 35 he writes the. following:
17.21 omit verse {A} Since there is no satisfactory reason why the passage, if originally
present in Matthew,
should have been omitted in a wide variety of witnesses, and since copyists frequently
inserted material derived from another Gospel, it appears that
most manuscripts have been assimilated to the parallel in Mk 9.29.

So my friend, that verse is not in the translations cus its not in the manuscripts that was used by them. And the manuscripts they used is the oldest and most reliable which was found after the kjv had been written.

These same explanation applies to the other two scriptures. They where not in the oldest and most original manuscripts, hence the question, how come they found there way into later copies?
Answer: scribal errors(now being corrected in newer translations) and deliberate additions by some.


Who created the video.


He has been for a long time, he has Decieved some people into adding words to their copy of the scriptures. Jehovah contered the spread of those false additions by revealing earlier, more reliable manuscripts in which those words where not found.

That is what you wish for, but that is not what the bible says.



I listen to jesus who said : this means evalasting life , their taking knowledge of you, the only true God, and the one you sent, jesus Christ! .
I now know how to gain evalasting life, by reading and applying the word of God, the father, our creator, the only true God.

TWO DIFFERENT PETERS.

pweetyz:
Herald9..i typed a really intelligent reply to you buh it was stolen away by network probs and i'm too lazy to re-type

bdw..if you call catholics pagans..do you also imply that the pope saint Peter who was so loved by Jesus christ is a pagan??

As I have quoted in my last page, show me in the bible where Raphael is written.
If you can't show me, then why are you asking me this question?

Jusmudi:
Am sorry 4 wasting ur tim, bt just answer dis question do u bliv in Angel Raphael?

We do know what the JW's go through when preaching another gospel, the lies will always come back as lies, and the truth will always come back as truth.
What do you call hate? Speaking the truth isn't classed as hate, speaking the truth shows the world our love we have for Christ.
Revelation 14:5 "No lie was found in their mouths.
The JW's preach another gospel, they don't recognize Christ as we do, "so they aren't the same" their biggest mistake is they don't believe that Christ, nor the Holy Spirit are one with God.
The truth doesn't remove scriptures, nor does it change or twist any scriptures that's written in the bible.
I ask you to watch this video before you make the biggest mistake of your life. And besides if you were a Christian before hand you wouldn't turn your back on Christ.
Our job is to lead people to Christ. Not lead them away from Christ.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5JnngqQYvc
John 14:6 "Jesus said: I am the way the truth and the life, on-one comes to the Father except through Me.

vchlady:
Ha u guys are so funny what makes Christendom so right? Ive been there and don't wanna go back! What you say about us doesn't matter and even though I'm studying with them and they thought me the Bible Ive read it for myself and felt in my heart this was the right way to go for me (so I say stop hating!!!!!! )Matthew 24:9 " then people will deliver you up to tribulation and will kill you, and you will be objects of hatred by all the nations on account of my name."
You guys just don't know what Jehovah Witnesses go through to spread the good news, just about everyone hates Jehovah Witness you say you like them, but do ya! I'm not one yet but do plan on becoming one!!!!!! Romans 14:12 states " So, then, each of us will render an account for himself to God" So no matter what anyone says or what religion, We all have to render an account for ourselves to Jehovah. Satan is all in the mix with these Churches the ones Ive even grew up in (and you tell me I don't know) What is false religion well they spread false doctrine(Ezekiel 18:4, Ecclesiastes 9:5 and John 11:11-25) meddles in war and politics(1John 4:20) (Matthew 5:44) and tolerates immoral sex( 1Corinthians 6:9,10) Pastors stealing money from the Church, fornication, adultery etc. How will that false religion end? read Rev chapters 17 & 18 Rev 18:4 says "Get out of her you people". Oh but how can you find that true religion? Well a true religion Practice LOVE  true worshipers are not apart of this world or divided by color(John 13: 35; 17:16;Acts 10:34,35) UPHOLDS HIGH MORAL STANDARDS and STRENGTHENS FAMILIES(Ephesians 5:28,33;6:1-1timothy 3:1-10) Last but not least TRUSTS IN GODS WORD b/c instead of basing teachings on "tradition" or commands of men doctrines, TRUE RELIGION bases on Gods word the BIBLE!!!!(Matthew 15:6-9) -2Timothy 3:16), Also In learning the message they are all on one accord with the word in 99,770 congregations 236 lands Matthew 24:14 " And this good news of the Kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come" oh and I know some ex- Jehovah Witness to they lost the faith as simple as that they fell spiritually thats were Satan can get you he doesn't want us to draw close to Jehovah, when they were in the truth everything was going good for them when they left everything started going bad and this was personal told to me and thats why you see so many of them coming back in to the truth.  By the way Jehovah name is spelled (YHWH in Hebrew) Jehovah's name is the utmost importance read(Matthew 6:9; John 12;28) Why has it been taking out of the Bibles well it involves the tradition of the Jews Many of them hold to Gods name shouldn't be pronounced is it b/c of the misapplication of the Bible law at Exodus 20:7? That law forbids the misuse of Gods name but it doesn't forbids the respectful use of his name. Taking Jehovah's name out of the Bible makes him seem like hes remote or impersonal at psalms 25:14 it tells us to "cultivate intimacy with Jehovah" Jehovah name means "I shall prove to be what I shall prove to be"(Exodus 3:14) Once again I could go on and on, But is this really a discusion to even talk about b/c my mind is made up and No I'm not blinded by this organization I made this up in my heart I meditate on my Bible every day. You know you have to learn for yourself, you may know the Bible but do you fully understand it?

Seriously to Hell

Bobbyaf:
I have nothing against JWs. I wouldn't take it that seriously if I were you.

Which God?

Alexos:
J.Witnesses, well, i don't have anything against them, as a matter of fact, I have friends that attend their meetings and I love reading their books.

What i came to realize is that, they actually want to be different. They want to be represented as the real Christians, they to be just like the apostles of Old.

I just think the most important thing is for one to be focused and upright in whatever religion u take up. And as long as you are not breaking any rules, then u are on the right part. Werther J.Witness or not, Just stay true to God.

Yes both the Catholic's and the JW's do have their own bibles.

lordimpaq:
@firestar

everyone knows 25th of december was not christ's birthday even the pope admitted that, and it is no where in the bible that 25th of december was jesus birthday, and no one said it was in the bible either,

the 25th of december is symbolic, no thanks to the roman catholic church of old, most of the christian celebrations of today even easter are all based on babylonian myths and religion of old,

well said bobbaf, when they pray, they don't even pray through jesus christ, thus i don't know if they actually follow the bible, i even heard that they have their own bible, i don't know how true that is,

Christ was born around march April, It was the Catholic Church who had rearrange the dates.
But because the JW's don't believe in Holidays, it doesn't mean it's wrong to have one.
The JW's don't celebrate birthdays either, that must be sad' not seeing a child receiving a gift from their parents on the child's special day.
Jesus received gifts on His birthday.

firestar:

No offense taken.
Try studying the Bible first yourself, But out of all the so-called churches who claim to be `Christian` do do not follow the Bible as they should. For instance, Christ wasnt even born the 25th of December. At that time of the year its very cold and the Jewish calender Chislev, isnt a time shepherds tend to their flock.

Make research. The truth is out there and its to those who adhere strictly to Bible Principles.

Firestar.