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Your not really a nice person. And you call yourself a Christian, what a joke..
The love of Christ can not be found in you.

SalC:
And the joke is getting even funnier

Uben sorry you came in contact with such a person

Uben said Peter was a presbyterian priest, when asked how come Peter was married in bible scripture and in your word of today is' the Popes can't get married, so we are talking about to different Peter's.
Your Pope Peter stayed alive,while Emperor Nero Murdered the apostle's Peter and Paul.
And in those day's Christians were formed first, before any other catholic or presbyterians, ever existed..
And in Christ we are all priest, some Evangelist , some pastors, some teachers. Amen.
If you wish to call me Father, don't because I would like you to give all the credit to God himself..
But call me brother.

SalC:
Why would it make sense when "your " Peter is a presbyterian and preparing to become a Methodist

Why give up, you say the apostles who were married were presbyterians priest? Swot has the Presbyterians got anything to do with catholic's, Remember going into the service, without being a catholic I couldn't receive any holy bread the Church gives out, because I wasn't a Catholic.
So if the apostles were presbyterian priest, how could peter be the Pope of the Catholic Church?
Two different denomination's, Catholic's don't marry and as you say the apostle Peter was a presbyterians.

Ubenedictus:
I GIVE UP

But you are now seperating Fathers from fathers, calling your own father is not the same calling your priest father.

Papist:
What about in England where a father is called father? Or in Nigeria? Or in South Africa? Or in Canada? etc

Will you make some sense? You never said he was a Presbyterian, you said he was a Presbyterian priest, what's the difference
Don't you have to be a Presbyterian to be a Presbyterian Priest

Ubenedictus:
i never said he was a presbyterian, I said he was a presbyterous (priest), presbyterous is the greek root word from which we got the word priest in English.

Then you should explain yourself a lot clearly, instead of saying half of your sentencing

Ubenedictus:
i never said he was a presbyterian, I said he was a presbyterous (priest), presbyterous is the greek root word from which we got the word priest in English.

Yes I have been sitting beside you, laughing with you--none of you are making any sense, lost for words

SalC:
And I've been paying to attend AY comedy show and night of a thousand laughs? Oh no

In my country we call our father, Dad, not father.. As I said theirs only one Father in the kingdom of heaven. I don't address any other father, either a priest or the Pope etc...

Papist:
And what do you call your biological father pray tell?

So you don't believe?
Why mock those who do-I remember before I became a Christian, my Ma had died, only to comfort myself I would say she's in heaven.
If it's true or not, It comfort me..
Yes stories such as these, if they were from heaven it's self, the boy would never deny it happening, no-matter what-but you need to understand it may not be the boy's fault-but the parents who you say is a Minister, see in our day and age, a good story can turn into money-and a bad story with reporters can turn out to be a cash flow as well.
But if it's worth the money to lie, either way, I hope they are happy' standing with the rest of the lying wonders-money hungry preachers, pastors and priest who twist and turn bible scriptures around to rip people off collecting tithes and offerings..

kolajamesjnr:
Recently there have been stories about "people" who went to heaven and saw Jesus. Books were written about "their" experience in Heaven. A story of a Christian boy who went to heaven was made into a movie. He describes Jesus with a beard and blue eyes. The fact his father was a Christian minister might have had something to do with this boys "fantasy". This "story" of seeing Jesus was "praised" by some Christians as true. The boy and his Christian minister were even interviewed on FOX NEWS and other "news programs. As ridiculous as it sounds that a boy went to heaven and saw Jesus -it was made into a movie and discussed as a miracle on FOX NEWS. This "story" got a lot of attention and described as a miracle by those born again Christian Morons. Recently the "miracle" boy said he made it all up about going to heaven and seeing Jesus. Also there is this "doctor" who said he went to heaven and talked about seeing butterfly's. He also wrote a book about his experience in heaven. Just a few days ago another boy talked about his trip to heaven. They(the doctors) said his heart stopped for over 20 minutes and should have been dead. Well anyway miraculously when he regained consciousness he said he went to heaven. Of course most everyone laughed or giggled but not everyone. One of the doctors said "he" believed the boy. Sometimes we have to control ourselves from belittling "believers" in God. I get that. But do we have to not ridicule people who say they met Jesus and went to heaven. The boy is just a boy who made up a "story" but the morons at Fox News and others who believed the imagined trip to heaven deserve contempt and ridicule.

Still guessing on the wife issue, this topic is starting to be confusing? She may be still alive in those last day's of Peters. So if the apostles were Presbyterian priest , then where does the Catholic's come into it?
And how can Peter be the Pope if he was a Presbyterian

Ubenedictus:
the bible itself doesn't mention his wife just his mother in law, his wife may very well have died. They weren't writting about another Peter, the early Christian were dumb.

you are funny.

So you do not know that the apostles were also "presbyterous" (priest)? The very example that shows that peter was married is the proof that shows that presbyerious (priest) were also allowed to marry.

non seqiter. Stick to issue on ground.

There's only one Father and He is God.

Papist:
I dont care about the heretic Ellen G White and her false religion. I also see you totally ignored Tertullian a second century father.

You say it Nonsense, can you prove it other wise.
The Quoter was only looking out to help save his brothers and sisters in Christ, showing you evidence as found, more then you can show the Quoter evidence on the found information is wrong.

Make it interesting and prove to us the Pope isn't in Hell...

kolajamesjnr:
Nonsense, full of sh*t

Quote> the Earlier Christians that wrote about Peter did not mention about Peter's wife, the reason why they didn't mention her was because the earlier Christians wrote about a Peter, not the disciple Peter who was married. Two different Peters?

Name the priest who were married and I will search the scriptures.

When looking into the scriptures we didn't hear much about the women back in those days, but many women were there-looking from a distance they followed Jesus from Galilee all had provided for Him, the ones we hear off, were Mary the mother of James and Joseph and Mary Magdalene and the mother of the sons of Zebedee.
And in those days women were to keep quite, but it didn't mean they weren't there.

In the Jewish temple the Synagogues, women were to sit opposite the men while reading the Torah, even after the Christians arrived, the old customs Messianic Judaism were finding it hard to accept Jesus and His followers, and the women continualed to stay quite amongst them.

It was Mary the mother of Jesus who was mention, with Mary Magdalene more then the others, even after Jesus had risen.
I suppose the disciples wife's weren't mentioned, maybe because of the old Jewish customs, and if the women stood up, it would have been blaspheme.
1 Corinthians 11:3 Christ had written He is the head of man and man is the head of women.

And It's the Catholic's who have risen up Mary the mother of Jesus, up on a petter-stool. Not the born again Christians, It was Jesus who had risen, no mention of Mary raising.

Ubenedictus:
my dear priest too were married.

Peter mother in law is recorded in scriptures don't you find it interesting his wife was nowhere to be found. Even so all the earlier Christian who wrote on St peter do not mention his wife either.

Pope Peter and the apostle Peter are two different people, and why address any other as holy father when you know theirs only one Holy Father, and that's God Himself.

We don't need to worship Ellen G white, Jesus is our Lord.
Luke 4:8 And Jesus said: its the Lord God you shall worship and Him only you shall serve..

You should try it sometime, and see Jesus as the head above all that is made. Not worship some other authority, you believe it's from another.

Papist:
Why would he not be called Holy Father when he sits on the majestic chair of St Peter Prince of the Apostles? He is not like the founder of your sect Ellen G White because he derives his authority from Christ Himself who said *you are Peter and upon this Rock i will build my Church*. My friend all the Partriachs of the ancient Churches are called Holy Fathers and these are the Bishops of Rome, Alexandria, Jerusalem, Antioch and Constantinople. It is an ancient tradition. And St Peter did not found our Church, Jesus did. Listen to Tertullian here writing in 200AD and tell me the origin of your church:

Moreover, if there be any
[heresies] bold enough to plant
themselves in the midst of the
apostolic age, so that they might
seem to have been handed down
by the Apostles because they were
from the time of the Apostles, we
can say to them: let them show
the origin of their Churches, let
them unroll the order of their
bishops, running down in
succession from the beginning, so
that their first bishop shall have
for author and predecessor some
one of the Apostles or of the
apostolic men who continued
steadfast with the Apostles. For
this is the way in which the
apostolic Churches transmit their
lists: like the Church of the
Smyrnaeans, which records that
Polycarp was placed there by John;
like the Church of the Romans
where Clement was ordained by
Peter. In just this same way the
other Churches display those
whom they have as sprouts from
the apostolic seed, having been
established in the episcopate by
the Apostles. Let the heretics
invent something like it. After their
blasphemies, what could be
unlawful for them? But even if
they should contrive it, they will
accomplish nothing; for their
doctrine itself, when compared
with that of the Apostles, will
show by its own diversity and
contrariety that it has for its
author neither an Apostle nor an
apostolic man.

Stick around, its a born again verses the Catholic's

peppyluv02:
Interesting argument or do I say gist....Pls continue,I'm learning.

Following......

Not priest only bishops were married..
Only guessing without evidence you have no idea if Pope Peters wife died before he became Pope..
1 Corinthians 7:9 And Paul mention its better to marry if one burns with passion.

But one may ask where did the Catholic's go wrong in the scriptures, when it seems the priest that burn with enough passion, have either refuse marriage, making their Choices involving the church, looking for other ways to satisfy their needs, even if it does destroy millions of young life's.

Ubenedictus:
it seems you do not know that "pope" is simply a title used by the Bishop of Rome.

The pope like St peter is a Bishop. I'm suprised you don't know this.

There are also married priests in the Catholic Church, there are only more celibate priest because St Paul teaches that "It is better to be unmarried so that one may be dedicated to the Lord". So celibacy is considered a good thing in the priesthood because it helps one to be dedicated to God. That not withstanding there have been married bishops and priest, st peter is a good example of a married pope. Even though it seems his wife didn't live long enough to see his ministry.

I have leanrt and loving it...

SalC:
Keep searching and keep learning, come back when you've learnt.

Thanks..We believe in two different beliefs. I have never believed in Christ as a pussy-I look up to Him, He is my Father and Brother, who had saved me from the place I was heading down too.

When I read my bible, and look else where to find truth, I spend time at home for hours sometimes daily, just to know the truth.
I always pray to God, and I always am asking him for the truth, wisdom and knowledge, sometimes I write things that doesn't sound as it should, but deep within, I am learning everyday about new things.

That is why nothing makes sense to you, about end time prophesies.
The bible is one book I understand. I look for evidence' out and about around the globe in these last days.
And behind closed doors, even you yourself wouldn't be able to handle, the supernatural behaviour that's spreading across our nations today.

Something is happening, and in our life time, we will see it happen.

Listen I am not a bad person. I am a strong believer in Christ.

I am not saying you had left this forum, I was preferring, you had left us quoting against our debates.

And I suppose you won't like what I have written to Papist, about who you believe who your pope maybe.

But try to understand I am a believer in Christ as well, and I always search through the scriptures to find truth.

SalC:
I was tempted to strike this post through as usual cuz it made no sense, but since its morning here let me spare you that and rather joke along for this must all be a big joke.

First I take exceptions to you attaching title to my screen name since you don't know me, I might even be older than you can imagine with more children than you can think of.

You believe am not being nice, cool, but mind you; you might just be speaking to one of the nicest people you will ever meet in your lifetime

Here we go again, instead of simply admitting you are now really confused, here you are trying hard to differentiate between Peter and Peter,

Back indeed, I never left this forum all along, I've been very much around watching Nairalanders make a mess of the baseless strawman's arguments you put up here and there

And please keep "your" interpretations of endtime prophecies to yourself, I don't need them.

Nay, seriously you need Mother Mary's intercession more as it is now,

Since you seem to know everything about the past, then prove to me without guessing' it was the apostle Peter had started up your Church, and How do you get the scripture Matthew 16:18 to line up with, peter being the founder of the Church.
You really haven't got any evidence, to prove otherwise.

And if Peter was married as the scriptures tells us, then why not all the other bishops and priest, you have' get married.
Or maybe Peter was an elder or a bishop not the Pope-Titus 1:5-7 a bishop must be blameless a husband of one wife.

What I don't understand is: Who made apostle Peter the pope?

This is what I have found>In the book of men-the following titles are commonly used with reference to a man, "Pope" "Holy father" Vicar of Christ" " Sovereign Pontiff" All these are titles that rightly belong only to the Lord Jesus Christ and to God the Father.

There is not a single instance of the scriptures where any of the above titles are applied to a man.

The term "Holy Father is used only once in the entire bible, and it's used by Jesus in addressing God the Father {John 17:11}
{unless you can show me otherwise}

Among the above titles is the bold assertion that the Pope is the "Vicar of Christ."
A Vicar is "One serving as a substitute or agent' one authorized to perform the functions of another in higher office," when one searches the bible from cover to cover, he finds only one passage which gives an indication of a vicar of Christ or God.

In 2 Thessalonian's 2:3-4 which say's>"Let no-one deceive you by any means; for the day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of prediction, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshipped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

Some religionists today advocate the man is saved by faith only. How ever, there is only one scripture in the entire bible, that says the words "faith and only" together written in James 2:24 and it says "Not by faith only."

The Catholic's today speak of the Pope as Vicar, taking the place of God.
{Christ Himself is God, Matthew 1:23, and John 1:1}

So may I ask: your religion has nothing to do with the entire bible so who are you?.

Papist:
Are you insane? Pope St Peter was crucified by the pagan emperor Nero who i'm sure you will insist without evidence that he was a Catholic emperor. I read some of your posts on the sabbath being changed so i suspect you are suffering from the same delusions that Ellen G White was suffering from.

You say this topic is beyond silly, not quite.
Uben and myself enjoyed our silly-ness, this is how it sounds when I think about the dangers I would be putting myself in, if I addressed men calling them dear in my country going out to a night club-men would punch me, two maybe three and more times, calling me either Gay, or a Homo.
Uben explain, in his country all men address other men calling them dear, even to strangers, I just explain to him I never heard you or even SalC call others dear on this forum.
I was writing to Uben explaining to Him-in my country if one was to call another man dear, sounds gay. Uben then assumed I was from his country, but sorry to disappoint him, I am not.
So as silly you think it is, Uben and I had our fun writing it.

Papist:
Lol this is beyond silly.

It's good to hear you are back miss SalC-still as bitchy as you were before you left, do you find it hard to be nice just a little?
Do you really believe I am your enemy, that you have to gang up and defend yourself without God, do you even realize, I am also a man of God.
Well it's good to see you are alive and well, is this your true colours, are you like this in real life-that every time I am mention, you turn yourself into a raging bull.
Are all Catholic's like you? Don't you believe the Catholic Church had murdered your so called Pope Peter-are you sure which Peter you are interfering too.
We maybe talking about to different People, Jesus disciple was Peter, who was later married to his wife, who brought the truth to you.
And your Popes don't get married, and still you are confused..
Emperor Nero murdered the apostle Peter along with apostle Paul-and not your Pope Peter-this is where you maybe getting things confused here. See apostle Peter walked with Christ, and I have never known any Pope do the same is walk with Christ.

Its good to see you had finely risen from under your bed, it must of been a hard road for you, after publicity lying in front of your religious friends after all.
Good and faithful servant. It's good to hear you are still alive and fiery.
You really don't know much about the bible, do you, and you don't believe in end times prophesies, wow how sad..
But It's good to quote you back.
I don't want Mary to pray for me, would you ask the Lord yourself and Pray for me.

SalC:
Hey brocab, if you are looking for females to call you dear just say it and we will take note of that, if that's gonna solve all your problems, I will personally give you a trailer load of it instead of you hanging on on a word a man said and getting him to keep defending he isn't gay simply because your skewed mindset got the wrong hint,

Oh good, you finally admitted you were wrong about Constantine, but admitting you were wrong on it and then shifting to "the Catholic church charged the apostles for treason" still doesn't exonerate you from lies.

And it is quite laughable for you to even think I'd hide because of you when you should rather be the one hiding, I've watched the likes of you come and go on this forum so your issue is quite simple, since you have lots of pending proofs to present.

Now you got me laughing hysterically, so your false claim of Pope Benedict converting to islam is now a spiritual sid of Bible study

Bro its obvious something isn't right somewhere. May Mary the immaculate mother of Christ keep interceeding for you till all is well again

That's ok, if you do address others with the word dear, I would rather hear it from you, then hearing it from another man, who calls men dear.
Sorry I don't recall you ever mentioning you calling me dear, other names "Yes" but not as a sweet name as dear "No".

As I had admitted I was wrong about Constantine, but you couldn't front up with your own lying mistakes, matter of fact you hid under the bed until now, and you still can't tell me you had made a mistake.
It don't matter I had forgiven you anyway, but it would have been nicer if it came from you.

It's alright if you don't understand the Spiritual side in bible studies, if you don't understand about the Pope's now, someday the time will come when you will know? I pray it won't be to late for any of you.
If you knew me in real life, you would have a laughable time-like many do, you would either run in fear, or you would sit with me, at my expense wining and dining.

SalC:
Like I said, you are wrong! That I never called you dear is not thesame as I never call anyone dear which was what you said.

Here is a post I made and I called a female dear, and this is just one of such many posts.

https://www.nairaland.com/1464338/thread-catholics/379#34134343

So before you mention me again, be sure of what you are saying.

As for you saying am haunting you, I don't even remember ever mentioning you anywhere since my last discussion with you rather you are the one poke nosing and mentioning me even when I ignored your mentions even on the Catholic thread, so please check again who is haunting who.

And I will spare you digging your numerous lies of constantine killing the apostles and pope Benedict converting to islam, am even laughing hard that according to you it is now the Catholic Church who charged the apostles of treason and killed them and no longer Constantine smh, and the so called sign you posted is no prove since you can't provide any official Catholic document to authenticate it, it can as well be photoshoped so please spare me that line

As for you, your lies are legendary and deep rooted in you that sometimes I wonder if you actually mean the things you say or merely catching fun.

Btw are you always like this in real life?.

Listen to your husband, and don't pay any tithes, he is speaking the truth. Don't be fooled by the lying wonders of the world, tithing was used as our tutor, to bring us closer to Christ, now Christ has come, we no-longer need the tutor.

The law on tithing was crops stocks, and the first fruits were new born lambs-goats etc...
Tithing is not used today, even in Israel the Jews don't tithe, so why should we tithe, when it was never a custom for any Gentile to tithe back then, or even now.
Collecting tithes from any Church is stealing, another business, making themselves rich.

Don't let anybody tell you otherwise, listen to your husband-tithing was never money.

Are you a religious dummy too? Or do we call you another name.

Syncan:
Hahahaha, goodluck to you Ubenedictus. It seems this comedy is now telling on you. Lol. Next thing you should argue about is who called the other "dummy" first. Make I laugh joor.

Not really, I was just proving a point to Ubenedictus that not of his religious crew address people with starting or ending with the comment dear. You have never called me dear, other names but never dear, dear coming from a female' sounds right, but Uben claiming to be a man, calling other men dear sounds Gay.
Sorry to bring your name up, it was the fact I just thought of you and Papist that's all.

And I am also a custom to your lies as well, and I am not surprise, that you yourself shows clearly your a unforgiven so called Christian.
Let me remind you miss SalC since the words were written by you about the existence of the Roman Catholic Church signs, after beating your chest you must be in a painful status Q, the point you tried to prove was pointless-even if it did mean for you to lie.

But I don't hold that against you, I don't hunt you down like a dog, like you do to me, every time my Name is mention.
You made a mistake, who cares-not everyone in the Catholic Church knows about the existence of the Roman Catholic Churches if they stand.
Plus I like hearing from Uben, some of his Quotes are interesting.
11:33 your time not mine.

SalC:
brocab and your usual life of constantly editing your posts long after posting them. Must you mention me when you write things you are not sure of?


And to say I don't call anybody dear is quiet ridiculous because the word 'dear' is more or less my trademark and I can't even count how many times I say it everyday, and even here on NL I use it often, you don't know it because you hardly pay attention since you are always busy making unsubstantiated argument and trying hard to shift post when you are busted.

Am already accustomed to your lies, am only surprised Uben still have the time to listen to your unending lies.

If you like, term every word gay, that's your own cup of hot coffee.

A post you made by 11:33pm yesterday, you suddenly decide to add my name now....ok you've been noticed. Move on!

Firstly I have already called you dummy, haven't you got any of your own words to say instead of using mine.
I still love you as a brother, I love it when you insult me, calling me names, your abuse runs through my veins, as I stand behind the word of God.
Psalm 23:4 when I walk through the shadow of death I will fear no evil, for you O lord are with me.

Again praise the Lord-you have falsely accused me, I never shifted the blame on anybody, it shows you are looking for trouble rather then watching what you write, Papist only mention what you are denying, you are right in one sense, you do belong to one of the oldest Church buildings that ever stood on earth.
Firstly you were blaming me, now you are shifting the blame on to the pagans, are you not the same religion, the Pagans worship Isis Queen of heaven she was holding her baby, and the Catholic's worship Mary Queen of heaven holding her baby, Nothing has changed only the names, both worship idols. What's the different's.
Are you that much confused, that you can't see the resemblance, between the two Where does the Church of Christ Himself fit into all this?

Do you know that a Church building made of brick and mortar, has nothing to do with the Church of Christ, Jesus said His Church is the body of believers made by God, 1 Corinthians 12:27, Now you are the body of Christ, and members individually.

Ephesians 4:11, the body in Christ are prophets, evangelist, pastors and teachers given for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ.

So you see, the Church is not the Vatican, or the Roman Catholic Church building, it's people joining together, having no out standing name behind them, risking their own life's for the sake of Christ.

Is it usually the case the Vatican would crucify their own, or would they prefer hiring someone else to do the job. Lets say Emperor Nero.

Ubenedictus:
listen dummy, the catholic church didn't kill peter and paul, the pagans did. Are you ignorant or just dumb?

You claimed I called d church "mother of all church" after pointing i never said that, u shifted the blame to papist.

Yes of course you can speak, how come you believe your Church stands with pride on good foundations above all other denominational Churches?
And you say Pope Peter was one of Christ's apostles that started your Church, and later the Church found him guilty of treason, and had him crucified up side down on the Cross, while the apostle Paul has his head decapitated, were they murdered because they tried to show the Church that the body of Christ is the Church. Not a man made structure, build with statues and idols.

Was it Emperor Nero that made the final decision, to remove the apostles Peter and Paul, do you realize what the Catholic Church had done. You had taken Christ out of the Church. You had done what the Pharisees done, taken Christ out from among them, by crucifixion.

So how can you call your Church the Church of Jesus Christ, when Jesus spoke clearly on Love and forgiveness.

And was not the apostle Peter a married man, or were the Popes back then married men also?
Ubenedictus you should read this-look what your dear Papist have Quoted>The one Church where all man made protestant denominations came from.
But before your Church was built by men-Christianity came from Christ Himself, where all those who have left your Church since then, all have gone back and found the true foundation in Christ Himself, His true Church' which is the body from the beginning.

Papist:
My friend is this not a public forum? Am i not allowed to comment here? Anyway the Popes are calling people back to the Church Jesus Christ established, the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. The Church of the Holy Apostles and matyrs and saints. The Church that gave the world the Bible at the Council of Carthage. The one Church where all man made Protestant denominations came from.

Ubenedictus I am not a Nigerian. My home is far far away..And in my country we have different customs, and different ways to address other men.
If I was to call men dear, I would either receive a strange look followed with a punch or two, or I would find out later I have been called a gay.
This is why, we don't address any man "as dear."
But on top of all this, matter of fact you are the only Believer who calls anybody dear on this forum, I never heard Papist calling anybody dear, nor SalC, and I believe she's female, and still she don't call anybody dear, all any of the others who are Nigerians, only you address men as dear.
Is it only a custom to you?

Ubenedictus:
hahahahah,

may God save us fron delusions.

No problem, since you are the only Nigerian who believe it is "gay" to call another man "my dear" in informal discussion, I'll leave you to you opinion and kindly delete you from those I address as such.

Firstly they are not lies, secondly it was you and your religious dears, who claim the Catholic Church is the Mother of all Churches at the beginning of all quotes written by whom.
By your Quote you have said it again' your Church stands above all other Churches, You should take note while you write>Quote, I have never discussion with you called the Catholic Church " mother of all Churches", the protestant Churches are man made ventures, proposed by so called men of God who can't bear sound doctrines and moral.

Just by this statement you have said it again, your Church stands above all Churches, and every other Church is man made rubbish.

It wasn't I myself that blames any Church, but when I hear from the Catholic's they believe their Church stands above all other Churches, and by your own Quote>does this mean the Catholic's believe all other denominational Churches that exist out side the Catholic Church, do not practise the word of God.
So was it not you, and the rest of your dears who claimed Christianity started from the Catholic Church from the beginning.
Quote>ask your G.O why he broke away from his previous Church.

If this is the case>then I have the rights to blame the Catholic Church, for not doing their jobs rightly in the first place, mother Church had allowed these Churches to run there own race without God.
Do you really believe your Church has a good foundation that stands above all, How was your Church built, it was made by men.

Well I have news for you, my Church was made by God, which is Christ, and He stands on the true foundations, way above you.

Ubenedictus:
you have started again with your lies, I have never in discussion with you called the Catholic church "mother of all churches", the protestant churches are man made ventures, proposed by so-called men of God who could not bear sound doctines and moral.

It is a even more shameful thing that you feel the need to blame the Catholic church for the heresy of protestants! Till this date the catholic church still teaches the truth on homosexuality, it is your ventures of men who forcefully an disobediently broke out who are lost and have decided to support sin!

Even when the catholic church was busy warning the anglicans about the silliness of supporting homosexuality they still went on with their demonic plans, that should be a good lesson to you, all this your "churches" were built by men, they lack good foundation that is why they are inconsistent in moral teaching. They are like leaf blown away in the wind.

Go and ask your G.O why he broke away from his previous church, ventures of men.

Am I my brothers keeper, nonsense you call it?-Why are the Popes reaching out to other denominations, it is not" what you believe, they are fulfilling the Lord's desire that we all become one like He and the Father. Matter of fact this can't possibility be done-unless all believers in Christ, become born again Christians and baptised in the Holy Spirit.

John 3:3-4 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."
Nicodemus said to Him, "How can a man be born when he is already old? Can he enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born?
John 3:5, Jesus answered no-one can enter into heaven unless one is born of water and the Spirit.

So sorry your theory is wrong, and because your parents had made the decision for you, to be baptised as a child, not making a choice for yourself to become a born again and baptised in the Spirit of God, then I can't believe the Popes are bringing all believers back to Christ, but only to bring the people back to a Church without God.

Are you preferring that the Church is the Vatican, and the Popes are calling people to join with them in the Vatican?
Did not Christ say in 1 Corinthians 12:12-13 that the body has many members but all the members of that one body, being many are one body, so also is Christ. For one Spirit we were all baptised into one body.
Colossians 1:24 for the sake of His body, which is the Church.

So could you explain to me which Church is the Popes calling the people back too?

Plus I was happy talking with my old friend Ubenedictus, Now you?

Papist:
Nonsense, the reason why the Popes reach out to other Christians is for the fulfillment of the Lord's desire that we all become one just like He and His Father are one. Do you understand the Oneness of the Father and the Son? Do you think it is like the fragmentation of the thousands of the Protestant denominations? The Church is God's kingdom on earth and He is certainly not pleased with what Luther's protest has caused.

Did you not protest the protestant Church came out from the Catholic Church at the beginning, So now your saying these Churches now carry Gay men and women, is it because the Catholic Churches are now full.
Listen dummy,you did say, it was your Church who stood out from amongst the other Churches?
Listen it don't matter who's Church is supporting the Gay community, what matters, it was the Roman Catholic Church the Mother that stands high above all other Churches, allowed this corruption to happen.
Your words were, to say your Church is the Mother of all Churches, I say, so if the Mother is corrupted then all her followers are corrupted too.

Ubenedictus:
now this is simply delusional, "my dear" has been used in Nigeria for years now, it simply an address that refers to the other affectionately, variants of this address are "my dear sister, my dear brother, my dear friend" or even dear mother or dear father, all this addresses may simply be summarised as "my dear" and it is used informally in speech, my mum still uses my dear in informal conversation till today, you but be totally delusion to infer that I am gay simply beacuse I have spoken to you using the affection address "dear".

It doesn't make me gay actually, it seems you are a homophobe out looking for who ever to accuse of been gay.

Do you accuse everyone who disagree with you of homosexuality or is this just your poor excuse for the fact that your silly accusations are false?

This is even more suprising coming from a protestant, Are your Churches not the one supporting gay marriages all over the world, go and check, the catholic church teaches that the homosexual sexual acts are sinful but it is your fellow protestant who go about lauding it.

As for you conspiracy theories I suggest you see a therapist because it seems your bais has blinded you to the God given capacity for truth.

Well I have no argument when one calls either your sister brother mother father child or Grand parents dear, or lets say If I was to meet a female-then the term dear does not sound out of order. But when I hear men calling other men dear, it's disrespectful, Gay.

Not every man calls men dear in your country, you must be proud you are the first, and it is understandable for your Mother to address others with dear, but coming from a man who addresses dear to another man "a stranger" and then you say your showing affection towards me.

You are either a Gay who have not yet found your true foundations to know your true identity' wherever you stand.
While in the meantime you are confused God had already given you your manhood, you either learn how to address other men as men, friend, mate, gentlemen with respect, or you stay affectionate as you are. And don't be a fended when one is confused how you address your dear mentally towards other men.
It shows clearly you just haven't understood the story written in the bible about how God made Adam and eve, who calls each other dear, and not Adam and Steve.

Ubenedictus:
now this is simply delusional, "my dear" has been used in Nigeria for years now, it simply an address that refers to the other affectionately, variants of this address are "my dear sister, my dear brother, my dear friend" or even dear mother or dear father, all this addresses may simply be summarised as "my dear" and it is used informally in speech, my mum still uses my dear in informal conversation till today, you but be totally delusion to infer that I am gay simply beacuse I have spoken to you using the affection address "dear".

It doesn't make me gay actually, it seems you are a homophobe out looking for who ever to accuse of been gay.

Do you accuse everyone who disagree with you of homosexuality or is this just your poor excuse for the fact that your silly accusations are false?

This is even more suprising coming from a protestant, Are your Churches not the one supporting gay marriages all over the world, go and check, the catholic church teaches that the homosexual sexual acts are sinful but it is your fellow protestant who go about lauding it.

As for you conspiracy theories I suggest you see a therapist because it seems your bais has blinded you to the God given capacity for truth.