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You are mixing up your tithing and giving, tithing was used only for the rich herdsmen and farmers, who obeyed God to tithe, yearly they tithed and yearly they were blessed with rain, God said I will pour out my blessings upon your land.

Tithing wasn't for everybody. not even' the workers who worked with the herds or on the land.
Jesus didn't pay tithes, yes he paid the temple tax, only because he felt force too, instead of an argument he sent Peter to collect money from the fishes mouth.

Matthew 17:24-26, The tax collectors said to Peter does your teacher not pay the temple tax. He said "Yes" after Peter had arrived into the house, Jesus said to him saying, "What do you think Simon?" From whom does the kings of the earth take CUSTOMS OR TAXES from their SONS or from STRANGERS?" Peter said to Jesus from Strangers> Jesus then said to Peter then the SONS are FREE.

Customs were known as the tithes, and taxes, as we know it to be.
Did you catch what Jesus said in scripture?" The SONS are free.. And free indeed we are.

Dan1cole:
It's no payment ... How much do we have that we would pay God?
Yes! It has to come from your heart and not because it is forced on you. And it has to be of freewill and cheerfully.
It's not a payment; it's an honour.

The Question is do you tithe or do you give?
Next Question is, what do you tithe, and who do you tithe too?

NumberOne2:
Maybe I have not been clear enough. You see, there is a BIG difference between Abraham tithing and the law of Moses.
The Israelites were obligated or commanded to because Jacob (Isreal) vowed to tithe. see scripture below:

"And Jacob vowed a vow, saying, If God will be with me, and will keep me in this way that I go, and will give me bread to eat, and raiment to put on,
So that I come again to my father's house in peace; then shall the LORD be my God:
And this stone, which I have set for a pillar, shall be God's house: and of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee." - Genesis 28:20-22

You call it spoils of war, but it was Abrahams legitimate property.
He was a man of the spirit and saw the need (not force as I have always state) to tithe to the King of Salem who Paul explained in Hebrews. (This is why I tithe).
I tithe as a seed of Abraham NOT as a Jew (Abraham was NOT a Jew). This is why I had not mentioned Malachi 3 until you brought it up.

PS: You keep missing my point because you are comparing me with Pastors that insist on tithing by force. I have share with you a deep personal revelation. Kindly meditate on it.

Then if we were to tithe the same as Abram, then we need to return stolen goods and tithe.
1}Malachi 3 the only promise's made were to the Levite priesthood, and the rich herdsmen and the farmers who obeyed God's law to tithe.

2} Galatians 3:10- For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse, for it is written. "Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them. {Do you tithe? Do you sacrifice? Do you give offerings? Do you obey all the other 612 laws given in the old testament?

3} Quote>If Abraham {non Jew} tithes and holds on to that promise, yes it does mean it won't work cos it was for the JEWS only?
Tithing back then was paid by God's rich herdsman's and farmers to the Levi priesthood, everyone got paid, because one couldn't inherit the land, they were paid by the blessings of God, rain fell upon the rich man's lands, and the Levites were paid from the tithing products-every time they obeyed, God poured out His blessings.

NOT LIKE TODAY NO ASHER'S NOT EVEN WORKERS INVOLVED IN CHURCH ACTIVITY GET PAID BY GOD?The Pastor's take all
So who is it now? Who's not following God's old tithing law? When in the early days it was common to feed the poor, the sick and the needy within the Church.
You must ask yourself' how did the Church get so far off course?

2 Corinthians 9:7, So let each one give as he purposes in his heart, not grudgingly or of necessity for God loves a cheerful giver.
Did you hear that God loves a cheerful giver, no longer do we need to follow after a law, but a freewill giving, between the two it shows a lot of differences.
And the tithing in this day and age is not scriptural. Tithing was never money.

NumberOne2:
These are the issues:
1) Malachi 3 makes promises to the tither. "rebuking the devourer and opening windows of heaven".
If a Christian (non Jew) tithes and holds on to that promise, does it mean it will NOT work cos it was for the JEWS?
2) If Abraham (non Jew) tithed and we as Christians are children of Abraham, what stops us from following his steps of faith?
3) The fact remains, Jesus or any Apostle (Jews and non Jews alike) never abolished tithing. Early disciples even went beyond tithing and gave all. Why is this not practiced today by the so called NEW conventant Christians?

When you answer these, you will begin to see the inconsistency in Non Tithing. Non tithing is an assumed position, there is NO fact about it in the Bible.

1 John 3:16-18 By this we know Love because He laid down His life for us, and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren. {This scripture is about loving your brethren} but whoever has the worlds goods and see's his brother in need and shut up His heart from Him how does the Love of God abide in him?
My Children let us not love in word or in tongue, but in deed and in truth.

Have you written this scripture because you believe, one can't love another without word, nor tongue, but in deed and in truth-does this scripture say to you, you can't love your neighbour without giving some sort of a proof of identity to tithe?

1 John 4:7-11, Beloved, let us love one another, for love is of God: and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God.
He who does not love does not know God, for God is Love. V' 11 Beloved, if God so loved us, we also ought to love one another.

Love never sits around doing nothing-from a word to a tongue, ends up living in deed and in truth, because God is Love.
You can beat around the bush as much as you like-prove in scripture where the Lord say's for us to tithe, and on top of that tithing monies.

As I said giving and tithing are two different meanings, so which is it, are you a tither or a giver

NumberOne2:
"But whoso hath this world's good (wealth), and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?
My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth." - 1 John 3:17-18

The love of money will grow cold, you can't love Mammon and God at the same time.
If I was to tell my wife I love her, while handing over my wallet every week, {your way of proving} I love her-then my love will surely grow cold towards her as time go's by. Love isn't about money.

Giving and tithing have two different meanings, firstly tithing means a percentage, and Giving can mean less or more, we can give without money, and Jesus said he loves a cheerful giver, not a cheerful tither.
Tithing ended up being a law, that only the Levi Priesthood could collect from the people-tithing wasn't made for all men and women only the rich herdsmen and the rich farmers tithed.

Matthew 23-23 when Jesus was arguing with the Pharisees, he said who to you teachers of the Law, for you tithe with mint, dill and cumin. And have neglected the weightier matters of the law; justice and mercy and truth.
Tithers, have twisted word to sound, that the mint was the cash flow the Pharisees had tithed in.

But everyone who reads the word of God, knows the truth, the Pharisees tithe in herbs, not money.

Tithers will either take us to Malachi 3:8-10 "will a man rob God" Yet you have robbed Me! "In what way have we robbed you, in tithes and offerings. V 9 you are cursed with a cursed For you have robbed Me. V 10, bring all your tithes into the storehouse, so My people maybe fed.
The Levites were ripping of God in tithes and offerings, buying and selling and sharing the stocks amongst themselves with their love ones.

The only proof I can give you how does one love the Lord? When Jesus said give, He talks about seeking His kingdom, seeking His written word and truth, studying, searching, finding the truth about Him, this is the giving the Lord wants from His people, He is blessed, as we are blessed, Jesus wants us to know Him more, becoming closer to Him, having a relationship with Him. This is the proof I only need, to show I love the Lord.
It sounds strange saying I love the Lord, without personally knowing the Man?

I'm sure everyone who has any sort of a close relationship' here on earth knows somebody well enough, parters or friends, don't buy their love.
Love is a free gift from God Himself, God is Love, and we are all made in the image of Him.
This is the sort of relationship the Lord wants from us..

The truth will set you free..

NumberOne2:
Your statements are too sentimental for me to reply properly.
I have made reference to several scriptures but you have none except emotional outburst.

"For God so loved the world, that he GAVE his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." - John 3:16
Proof of love is in giving. You love God, where is your proof?
You love your wife so you give to her. Just keep telling her about love and not doing anything and see how long that marriage will last. Love talk is cheap.

Bless are you Father of faith

MzansiBeat:
Abraham also had: slaves, bore a child through her servant, performed sacrifices etc - therefore you must practice this as well to ensure consistency so that your point may have credibility. You can not pick and chose as you like.


2- The book of Galatians3:7, 9 made it clear that we are Abraham's seeds and we are blessed along with Abraham. If Abraham our father in the faith tithed, [s]then we his seeds should also tithe because his actions&life of faith was part of the reasons why righteousness was credited unto him.[/s] Permit me to say that he was the first man even under the old covenant that experienced the benefits of the life that Chrsit brought for us. Moses wasn't called the father of faith because he didn't have the kind of faith (faith that brings righteousness without works but by grace) that we have but Abraham did.

You can argue as much as you want? But the word of God will ripped you down fully. If you believe in tithing then tithe, who cares, it's between you and the Lord., We non tithers have been showing the truth, and what you say won't change the truth in us.. So I advise you to seek the Lord yourself, and find what truth is...Quote>You say Love the Lord, paying your tithes, Is this the way, you believe you should pay to receive love-instead of loving the Lord as He is.
If Love was base on given in cash, then my wife, would surely love me 10% more every week of my earnings?
Jesus don't love you because of cash , He loves you because you are you.

NumberOne2:
Nothing stops anyone from tithing and giving to the poor but DO NOT take the tithe and give to the poor. That is wrong.

This is the embodyment of Christ teaching:
LOVE THE LORD: Paying your tithes.
LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOUR: Give to the needy or poor.
All the above should be done in LOVE else dont bother. God doesnt need your money anyway.

I know the reason for most of those against tithes is the perceived "mismanagement" of funds by Churches. It is not for you to judge. God is NOT blind. Read the story of the sons of Eli and how they misbehaved as High Preists. It did not stop the Israelites from coming to the temple.

I like the way you had said this? I like your honesty. Quote>Nevertheless Pay your tithe as your spirit directs you-
[Not the Holy Spirit]your spirit.

Paulscholari:
If your mind condemn you for your actions then you are guilty.. Nevertheless pay your tithe as your spirit directs you

Read your bible and give God all you have, by seeking His kingdom in word and truth. Don't listen to any ones false doctrines about tithing monies to the Church, It's not scriptural...

missKiffy:
How will you pay tithe without having a job nah, you are to pay it from ur income

Tithing is not based on any financial income. Never was and never will be.

Freciprocal:
Tithing is based on income... 10% of ur income.

It all depends what you call religion, People always put God in the picture when religion is mention, but it's not always the case, matter of fact, we hear about Isis murdering innocent bystanders, Christians and Atheist, because of their faith they seem to have in Allah.
But yet you have other Muslims who believe in the same Allah, who don't follow after Isis, they worship in the same manner, but we don't see them in the spot lights.
So is the war with Isis really a religious war, or maybe they are just a group of computer gamers, and joining Isis puts them into the real game.
So how could we call this war religious, when not all Muslims terrorise innocent victims..
If it was a war only against Christians, I can call it a religious war, but because their war is against the Atheist, then it couldn't be named as a religious war.

Atheist against Christian.

Nothing will ever make sense to you.
So live your life blaming God-because we need people like you-when we need a wincher, just call wincher on 10001

plaetton:
I am trying to make sense of this gibberish.

Yawn!
No luck.

It wouldn't matter what I say, the Question is are you willing to read it, think about it, before you say anything.

Firstly we are all made into the image of God, when we pray, God usually gives us warning, some with dreams others have visions, reason no-one has seen God at any time, because God is Love, and the love we all have is a piece of God living inside us, which can mean, God can communicate with us all in different ways. God talks with everybody.

People who don't believe in God, always seem to blame God. I suppose its an easy way out to say people pray and nothing happens.
When People pray something always happens, it may not look the way you expect it to happen, but when people pray God always answers.
Supernaturally.
Quote>seriously, if God cannot prevent or save people from calamities, then wtf is his job?
God done His job he made you, to warn the others in love.

Firstly I don't know much about who prayed before the quake impacted. but I do believe those who prayed even before this quake smashed through the town, those people were saved, with warning.
And I am sure those who were saved, took with them as many people they could take who believed this warning they received was from God.

{It's common sense, If I received a warning from God, a floods coming our way, would you believe it Like many I suppose you wouldn't.
And still you would blame God. God answers prayer and uses people to warn the others.}

God warns people before these things happen, and because many refused to listen to any warnings around the globe, it's God's fault.
Open your eye's the evidence is standing at the door around you, people are dying at a faster rate, Quakes are happening everywhere-how about these massive storms, flooding in places no-ones has ever heard off, snow storms in the deserts, Authorities around the globe, are spraying poison Gases into our airways, Authority again have announce a massive meteorite is heading towards the planet,Now.
How much warning do you need? The question is, do you believe in any of these warnings, this is what happen when the warning bells were ringing, and no-one was listening.
The problem is we have people like you, who would ratter rubbish God, and those who believe in God, because of your own fears it stops you believing.
It's easy to blame God, because it's a cowards way out.
God gave us a choice, we can react on that choice, or we can let the world take care of it's own.

All I can just be part of the crowd, allowing everyone else to take care of world. I will just sit back into my seat and enjoy the comforts at home mocking God for not doing His job properly, as He should have done.

plaetton:
Lol.
Why are still dodging the issue here ?
Prayers can move mountains, not so?
God can move mountains, not so ?

Billions of humans prayer to god every single hour for protection from calamities.
The simple question for you to answer is :
Are there situations that just too big for god to handle ?

Seriously, if god cannot save prevent or save people from calamities, then wtf is his job?
Why do you pray to and worship him?
You might as well pray to and worship a cassava stick, because, at least you get to eat EBA.

Anybody in their right mind knows Christianity means Christ like.

johnydon22:
i think you religious folks have a thing with dishonesty which like we know was supposed to be a sin..
this is the same guy that said this

now compare this bolded here with the enlarged text in the first quote...

so Christianity now means "god" ok i even thought i was discussing with a sane mind.. am done gotta save my mb for better thing...

Religion and Christians are two different meanings.
Well sorry, if it sounded wrong to you, it wasn't meant that way. Wars are about money power and land. And as I said religion can mean you believe in either sports, music, etc..Atheist believe in religion. And Christians mean Christ like..
Saner then you think, it best you don't quote me, you couldn't understanding a simple quote, then let alone any meanings, and with people like you, you give up so easy..

johnydon22:
i think you religious folks have a thing with dishonesty which like we know was supposed to be a sin..
this is the same guy that said this

now compare this bolded here with the enlarged text in the first quote...

so Christianity now means "god" ok i even thought i was discussing with a sane mind.. am done gotta save my mb for better thing...

But always remember its easy to blame God, when it could have been people like you, who could have helped those people given them financing or other sources to support their needs, to see reason to move to a better foundation else where, So when a earthquake had stuck, they could have felt safe, then sorry..
From the people's prayers didn't God bring in the right people to support and help them, Now?
People may have prayed their prayers, to help those people, Question is what did you do

plaetton:
Lol.
When have I ever claimed to be an omni omni god that people worship and pray to?.

Earthquakes are caused by plate movements or displacements in the earth's crust, something that omni omni God is expected to foresee, prevent , or at the very, least wrap a protective shield around his human children to protect them from the aftermath.
Isn't this why you pray to skydaddy 5 to 6 times everyday?

Your not blaming God, but yet you mention about Christians, which is another meaning to God like.
Firstly I didn't say Atheist start religious wars, I said they start wars.
You not open to hear any truths, about wars, and why they call religion religious wars.
But I am going tell you anyway, religion was brought into the war factor, because like you it's easy to blame God.
First world war, what was that about, how about the second World war, was religion mention, NO..
Well It wouldn't matter if I can prove if God exist or not-your not open to anything anyway, you need to see it before you believe it.
And besides It even say's in the bible no-one has seen God at any time, 'YOU KNOW WHY' because God is love.
And if you carry any love you have a piece of God living in you.

johnydon22:
First you say atheists start religious wars, when asked for an example you muster up a long crap that has nothing to do with the question and post.. is this the way your brain works

secondly; no atheist blames any god for wars. "you have to exist first before starting a war". we blame religions for their wars and barbaric acts.... so first prove ur god exist, then you can defend him. am sure from all my post here i was saying "religions should stop valuing faith more than life" and your brain interprets it to mean "god starts wars"

None of the god(s) in history have ever being powerful enough to say "hi" talk more of starting a war. god(s) dont start wars, people start wars with the name of god(s).

and please i am still asking for an example of religious wars started by atheists

Maybe I can ask you why you allowed nearly 8,000 human beings die.
Maybe instead of blaming God, why not consider maybe the ground foundations collapse, because people else where didn't help them when they had asked for help..

plaetton:
Doublespeak.

One side of your mouth says you know god intimately, and then when the chips are down, the other side of your mouth shouts " the ways of god are a mystery onto man " .

For example, if you know anything about god, perhaps you can tell us why he allowed nearly 8,000 Nepalese human beings, women and children to die horrible deaths in the recent earthquake.

People start wars not God, I had this old man say to me, years ago, if God is love and exist, then why then do children blow themselves up when walking into a mine field, My answer to that was because man is to lazy to dig up those mines, so when the children play they blow themselves up. And as usual it's easy to blame God.
So you see, God don't start any wars, but people do.

johnydon22:
really? religious wars were started by atheist? ... please one example

Most of the religious wars, were started by Atheist. Everyone knows, wars are about money power and land, it's never about God.
Religion is a meaning to say I believe, I believe in anything, sports, music, politics, religion, etc..
But as usual when times a tough, who receives the blame God..

johnydon22:
And all religious, denominational and dogmatic diversity will crumble..

making people value each others life and the earth more than any superstitious mumbo jumbo...

People will stop wishing the earth will be destroyed (christians) while the others will stop destroying it themselves (muslims) and focus on the good of the world..

It baffles me how someone have not finished living this one chance at life that we all have now, but is killing and wasting his time looking for another...

#WeFuckingLoveAtheism

Not only a dream, but a nightmare.
The time will come when all man kind will be put into Fema camps, Christian or Atheist-at 4 am surprisingly a wake up call, ready for the massive clean up, innocent bystanders, will be rounded up ready for the slaughter to come.
Innocent people will either be shot by sight or taken from there homes under states authorities, innocent mothers, fathers and children will be arrested for no crime committed by your local member in parliament, who has signed and sealed a document against your will under house arrest, until authorised military releases you, taken you to Fema camps, under the New World Order.. What was your crime, you are human?Guilty..
Think about it, as strange as this sounds, this is written in bible prophecy.

A non born again donates his money only because his not sure how one should honour God, usually this happens in the Catholic Church where the money theory started from.
And plus not all born again Christians believe in tithing money to a Church, it isn't scriptural.

bigblxd:
@ OP, someone should pls help me tell Alibaba that tithing is only for born again christians; at best a non born again is merely donating his money to church each time he purports to be tithing. Besides, we don't do anyone any favour by paying our tithes not even the pastor but ourselves.

Malachi 3:10-11, Exactly what are you getting at, do you believe you are a Levi priest and you deserve to receives tithes, in what way does the scripture tells us in Old Testament how one should pay there tithes?
Proverbs 3:9-10, Honor the Lord with all your possessions, And with the first fruits of all your increase. V'10 So your barns will be filled with plenty, And you vats will overflow with new wine. Not money.

Exactly your well spoken theory, no-longer stands fern in scripture no-more.
Someone needs to help you intrepid these old testament scriptures so someone can understand to true meaning how it was, and how it is, in this day and age.
The truth will set you free.

Maryannlive:
"Zeke1:
Yes he should pay his tithes from the song, because that is where he get his income from. And you can also read the book of malachi 3:10-11 and the book of prov 3:9, you will understand what tithes is."

Exactly, well spoken

Can you tell us what tithes are? And could you share with us' when and where did God tell you to pay tithes, either by word or voice, and what part in scripture does it say tithing is Money, to back up word or voice?
Because I am now confuse..

Zeke1:
Yes he should pay his tithes from the song, because that is where he get his income from. And you can also read the book of malachi 3:10-11 and the book of prov 3:9, you will understand what tithes is.

You told me you travel and give lectures around the world about Health and safety.
Now you are telling people your an ex-scientist, didn't you make it to NASA. Mr KoloOyinbo. It sounds you have been reading to many comic books.
Come on bro, wake up to yourself.

Most scientist they either search for truth, and most know the evidence on the scientific discovery Darwin and Einstein made this statement that science and religion work together, as they found together the truth's about the universe, the stars and the planets, both men found evidence that the universe, was formed so perfect, they believed and realized it could only be a God, who could make such a masterpiece.

Darwin realized his own theory about evolutions was the biggest mistake he had ever made.
And the Big bang theory, could only be the voice of God echoing through the universe, let there be light..

Darwin and Einstein found it was to late for them to change the world.
The world had already printed millions of books about Darwin's theory on evolution. "Sorry as Darwin was, the world had already accepted the facts, God don't exist.
Both scientist had stepped down from their discovery, only because of their own fears, and the fears from the world..
These men were true scientist, Einstein and Darwin had believed in God, but as Atheist the world knows there own.

Mr KoloOyinbp who are you' and what have you done with science? Besides teaching about health and safety.

KoloOyinbo:
Don't worry. You ARE making many fundamental errors AND it is clear WHY! BUT that is no reason not too keep trying. The concepts ARE difficult but understandable.

I strongly suspect that you are colouring all your reading by what you WANT to believe yourself.

Now consider the scientific method (which has served man well for centuries) and lets see if we can apply the logic and method here. YES, don't be surprise I try to apply it to God's existence or otherwise. So please bear with me. I will describe the method and then see how and IF it works here.

1) We make an observation.

2) We construct a THEORY to possibly explain the observation.
NOTE: The theory MAY be 'true' or 'false'.

3) We construct a test of our theory. This involves a PREDICTION. IF my theory is correct then THIS should follow!
EXAMPLE: We look at star positions AT NIGHT when the SUN is in the opposite part of the sky and record them.
IF Light IS bent by gravity and we look at these stars again but during a SOLAR ECLIPSE when the sun is close to our line of sight to those Stars then we should notice a small deviation from recorded position.

4) We carry out EXPERIMENT (test) to see if the prediction holds
This was done in 1919 (I think - going on memory for the dates) and not only was the deviation observed but it agreed with what had been calculated!

5) We conclude that out THEORY is 'true'

That is the simplest explanation in essence (it is a little more complicated as we may not have the entire 'truth' or our experiment may be flawed - and don't forget that Newtonian mechanics was accepted as true for centuries until Relativity was discovered and it was realised that Newtonian Mechanics was only true in non relativistic conditions)

As an addenda to 5 above we usually ASSUME that a theory contradicting our above idea is FALSE.

This again does not follow.

Theory A: Light itself is made up of WAVES OF ENERGY
Theory B: Light itself is made up of discrete and INDIVIDUAL packets of energy (PHOTONS) {A single particle could not therefore display WAVE properties.

In fact light does both!

Interference patterns support the Wave nature while photoelectric effect etc support the PHOTON nature.

BOTH are correct.

Apply to God.

1) We see a Universe and wonder how it got here
2) One THEORY is a God

3) Now try to devise a TEST?
IMPOSSIBLE. So we can make no inference on the validity OR invalidity of our theory. Insufficient evidence/date.

Thus my grudging respect for the Agnostic and mild amusement at the Deist and Atheist who do not realise they are more alike than either would care to admit.

As a final aside (and I apologise for the length of this post so far) may I (rather tongue in cheek) refer to queries on the NATURE of God, may I offer THREE very PERSONAL ideas:
1) God exists
2) If he exists he is the ultimate scientist
3) He has a wonderful sense of humour and must find the Deist and Atheist alike a great source of amusement!

So you disapprove, you won't read between the lines, so I have to give you another scripture, because you still cant accept God is proven either way.

This is why you need Jesus> John 14:8-10, Philip said to Jesus, "Lord, show us the Father. V's 9, Jesus said to Him, "Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me Philip? Jesus said he who has seen Me has seen the Father;

{So Mr KoloOyinbo how is it you say no-one can prove God exist, and lie at the same time calling yourself a Christian?}

John 14:10, "Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me?
The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works..

Remember the Lord has told you, God is Love Mr KoloOyinbo

KoloOyinbo:
What foolish and inconsistent rubbish (at least the little I read of it).

How can one who believes in God be an Atheist.

We KNOW God cannot be proven for if so then there would be no atheists and FAITH would be useless. It would render Christianity irrelevant.

Quote one proof that does not rest on you already believing?? IMPOSSIBLE.

You are a most ignorant and unpleasant fellow who find it impossible to understand even the simplest of concepts (Christian or otherwise).

Please try to keep you nonsense shorter so I can respond without wasting too much on a case like you.

Then do as you wish to do, but if you are willing to do it the way Jesus said to do it, than you wouldn't react as you do.. The truth will set you free.

skylane:
oboy I go pay tithe o,and gv freely ill do both

Firstly the law on tithing is not the same as freewill giving, So you either give' either from your heart to give, or you obey some old testament law that isn't scriptural any longer. You must ask yourself are you tithing that same formation God had told His people to tithe, or have you decided to follow suit with prosperity pastors, who have taken the law from God's old law system and turned it around to gain only monies.
Which one

skylane:
well d way I understand is differnt 4rm urs so if u choose not to pay tithe fine its ur belive asfaras its also part of giving I will still give

I read what you write to others on this page, Sad. You say your are Christian, but in one sense, Quote>you say god can not be proven so not be dis-proven either. If you don't want to show any evidence, so others may see your a believer, then its best to call yourself an atheist
and go with the flow of unbelievers and disbelieve.
Your Christian beliefs are very low, and it's not helping people to even want to believe in any truth that God exist.
Your not helping to help save a soul, matter of fact you are attacking into their minds, defusing the Idea we even have a God.
How can you even make any claim to say you believe by faith-without showing any works.
James 2:17. Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead, V's 24 the Lord say's You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.
So you see, your faith alone does not cover any thing you claim to be.

I have written the truth, not my own thinking, not my own word's, but the word of the Lord, and you still don't recognise what is truth. "Sad" You need to ask the Lord into your life, now while you still have the time Mr KoloOyinbo, before it's to late.

This prayer is not just for you but anybody who fills they need Christ into their own life's.

Salvation prayer, read it and believe.
Even if you believed you have said this prayer before, say it again to assure yourself you are ready to face up to anything the enemy throws at you.
Lord I repent of my sins, Lord forgive me.
Forgive me Lord I had walked away from you from the beginning, Lord I truly believe in you.
I believe you had died for me on the cross.
I believe God the Father had raise you up from the dead.
I believe you had shed your own blood, to wash away my sins.
I believe in the body of Christ and I have chosen to walk, as you walk O'Lord.
I thank you for Loving me, and accepting me as a child of God.
I accept you as my Lord and savour, I am proud to say I am now a born again Christian in Christ.
And I am ready to live my new Life, and walk without the fears I have carried from a child, I now stand fern wearing my full armour of God, along with my Spiritual wisdom and knowledge, I will retrieve as I stand strong growing everyday in the word of the Lord.
I now ask the Holy Spirit to come into my life, to teach me all His wisdom and knowledge-instead of my own.
I thank you Lord from the bottom of my heart.
Amen..
Even if you have said this prayer before hand, it's always good to keep it mind "why" because we believe.

KoloOyinbo:
You would not know the Truth if it hit you in the face your thinking is so poor and bigoted!

I am not asking you to do anything, I hear the truth and I write it down. You should read what's under the good news about the Catholic's and the Presbyterian's Churches coming together to join ones faith.
You need to stop running from the truth, one day you will need to front up to your fears, and front the boogie man you have always been frighten off as a child.
The truth is Mr KoloOyinbo news is travelling fast, and it's word of mouth delivering the truth to every household, apartment, or the streets, every body who has a TV, radio or a computer is hearing the truth. "Accept for you.

KoloOyinbo:
Anyone who thinks (WRONGLY) that they can prove God has dispensed with FAITH in their life.

After your numerous hate filled and bigoted anti Catholic rants I simply skip any paragraph you mention the work Catholic in. I will not facilitate your errors or bigotry.

Today I was actually watching a documentary about how the Catholic Church and the Presbyterian Church had made a peace treaty between each other, they were saying both religions have joined forces believing in the same faith. The documentary also said, Pope Francis wanted the rest of the world religions to join together under one religion. As they stated the Christian's started back from the Catholic Church, and we are all originally Catholic's. Just asking because you say you were either Catholic or Presbyterian yourself, is this true. I always thought the Presbyterian's were against their faith? True Christians don't live by faith alone.

But you know after reading your quotes, there is a closeness between your faith's, and none of it makes any sense about Christ, you say you have faith but you never seem to prove your faith with works, James 2:17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works its dead.

You even say you are a Christian and yet you seem to have a form of godliness but you deny its power. 2 Timothy 3:5.
You profess to know God, but in works you deny Him, Titus 1:16.

I have read your fruit and every time I have mention God, you proudly say in your own worldly knowledge, I don't know Christ, and yet not only by faith I have showing you works, and see the Body without the Spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

There is so much evidence God exist, but if you still believe otherwise, then the Spirit of God could never live in you, and the faith in you couldn't be active to even function to exist. Think about it.

KoloOyinbo:
See my previous post - just because someone ignorant in logic, rationality, theology and Christianity CLAIMS God is proven does not make it so. Thankfully so or the basis of FAITH would be meaningless and the Bible thus contradicted.

Your Faith is laudable (so far the ONLY thing I have found laudable about you) but is just that - FAITH.