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dukecharles:
Is our Lord Jesus Christ against Tithing. Jesus was born under the law to fulfill the law (Gal. 4:4-5)… He was bound to it in His life and to rebel against it would be to sin. Also note that the point of these versus when read in context was not to promote tithing, but to promote matters of the heart and show hypocrisy on the parts of the Pharisees. When read aloud and in context no-one will point to tithing and say that is the point, it simply is not the emphasis.

Also note that Jesus refers to the practice of tithing in the past tense… he doesn’t say “you ought to do” but instead says, “you ought to have done”—a past tense command.

Jesus did not say the New Covenant church should have tithed, He said the Pharisees should have… The simple truth is that under the law not everyone was to tithe, only certain people were (levites, farmers, and those who tended herds or flocks), Pharisees among them. If we are to Tithe now, where are the instructions that everyone is to tithe, and not just the same certain individuals that tithed under the previous law?

Finally, Jesus mentions tithing three times (Matt 23:23, Lk 11:42, Lk 18:11- 14) and all three times condemns the tither. Jesus says that the actions of these people were not justified (lk 18:14) why are using them as an example, and the only example, to justify tithing? The truth is, they should never be used as a model for someone who is justified; nor should they be used as a model for tithing. There simply is no justified tithing model in the New Testament.

Many argue “No scripture mentions a substitute program for tithing in the N.T, ergo tithing is still in place” -- I would disagree, the substitute is giving. References for giving are proliferant throughout the New Testament.

There are several fundamental flaws with the belief that Jesus reinstates tithing, but one of the biggest is that there are no instructions for New Testament tithing by Jesus, the Apostles, or the early church. With this in mind we would have to revert to the instructions of Old Testament tithing… this does not look at all like what is taught today, and in fact is far more supportive of giving to the poor, the widow, the stranger, the fatherless, and even ministers as they would probably take the place of the Levite. I do not see how this is much different than the teaching of giving in the first place. Unfortunately tithe teachers do not usually teach tithing or giving to those in need, but only to the church as it is in their best interest.

I do not feel that tithing is part of the New Covenant church, and I am not alone in this mindset as many Theologians are and always were on board with this, as are historians who can trace tithing’s roots to the late 1800’s. It has come to my attention that those who do teach the tithe are usually supported by tithing themselves, and not uninvolved parties with nothing to lose. A careful study of old testament tithing brings about many questions of tithing as practiced today, and a look at New Testament tithing reveals a lack of support for the system as all New Testament versus referring to tithing refer to it under the Law and not as part of the New Covenant.
Give lavishly to promote the gospel, help the poor not by ten percent law but by the prompting of the Holy Spirit. When you do so you are storing for yourself wealth in heaven cf Matt 6 vs 19.
Quit allowing some religious folks put you on a guilty trip that if you don't pay your tithe, that you are robbing God. It is all false., the law of tithing was giving to the Israelites because of levitical priesthood, they tribe of Levi were selected by God, and was given no land or inheritance by Moses hence the law of tithing. Now Christ has changed the priesthood. So the law has been changed cf Hebrew 7 vs 11. Present pastors inherit things with there brothers. Apostle Paul make tent to support himself and the poor.
Giving is good but don't do it as a ritual... If tithing is your personal Covenant with God, go ahead, but don't do it because of fear of calamity.

italo:
You will have to ask barnabaseloke and Muttleylatt,

They seem to have assumed ownership of the "spirit." They know who has the Spirit and who doesn't. They even know how much of the spirit each person has.

The problem is that that "spirit" tells them contradictory things sometimes.

btoks:
From the last 2 pages,you see an example of how sola scriptura doesn't work.one person says baptism is important and saves,others say water baptism is obsolete.!How do we know the truth?

MuttleyLaff:
cc Ubenedictus
What is "born again"?
Why must anyone be born again?
How did this issue of "born again" come about? What was the background, circumstance and reason?
Why did Jesus bring up the "born again" matter?
How many people on record did Jesus teach or preach "born again" to?
Jesus is known to preach and teach to multitudes, is it on record He preached and taught "born again" to any of the multitudes?
What benefit, was mentioned as the objective of being "born again"?
What is the sharp distinction and/or difference between "born again" and "born of water and spirit"?

Ubenedictus:
sorry my dear this you epistle doesn't cut it, brocab just called be a liar, along with your own accusation of twisting words.

You guys just attacked my person instead of the topic, so kindly show me my "twisting" and brocab can kindly prove I am a liar.

If anybody is denying what they see its both of you! You have went to great length to try and say "water and spirit" is not water and spirit, you have continued to divert issues by by throwing questions around. Your idea of a "picture" has been rebuted but you prefer to still play around.

Ubenedictus:
lol,

you have manage to insult me.

Weldone.

You can show everyone where I lie, if you can't shame on you.

Ubenedictus:
lol brocab,

I am a born again Christian, I am surprised that you seem to think God is you sole property! God is not for you alone! He isn't for even Christians alone.

The is only One God and he is for all and all belongs to him.

If you believe in a God that belong to you alone then you are serving an idol.

MuttleyLaff:
https://s16.postimg.org/d1zyejs0l/Denomination.jpg
I hear you brocab, but God is neither Catholic, Protestants etc
There is no denomination in the Kingdom of God

MuttleyLaff:
Ubenedictus, you know how we got to me making that remark
I didnt abracadabra pluck it out of the air and just blurt out that truth like the manner you're twisting and icorrectly making it out that way
Dont you get tired of this Ubenedictus? You've had a field day of straw-man at my expense

In my next post, lets (i.e. italo, Syncan, you, Ubenedictus and I) put this matter to rest once and for all.
You and italo are going to love it. Syncan upon reading it, as usual might stay aloof
You better go put on a gum shield Ubenedictus, as the glove is coming off now.

I have countlessly said and gave examples,
that baptism is not an exclusive use meaning "water baptism" or only to be associated with "physical water baptism"
Forewarned is forearmed. I am taking no prisoners, so dont say there were no warnings

It doesn't matter how you catholic's try and twist the scriptures around just to suit yourselves, even if it doesn't make any sense, we protestants are trying to work around you. It's not easy If you were saved as we are saved' there wouldn't be a war against you Catholic's and us protestants.

Ubenedictus:
you are on your own



heresy,

bible says, "i am a sinner from the womb"

brocab say, "you are not a sinner from the womb"

Syncan:
Arrogant, insultive, talkative yet very ignorant. Despite given you a precise hint with Rom.5:12, you still can't understand can you, yet had the effontery to come here talking off point.

Wherefore as by one man sin entered into this world, and by sin death; and so death passed upon all men, in whom all have sinned.

Read the above passage until it makes sense to you, however if it is still difficult for you to comprehend, then look at the one below for explanation:

1Cor. 15:22. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive..

Are infants excluded from "all" in the scripture passages above?

Ubenedictus:
read your bible.

Ps 51: 7

True I was born guilty, a sinner even as my mother concieved me

don't you just love the bible?

Syncan:
Psalm 51:5 states that we all come into the world as sinners: “Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin my mother conceived me.”. It is left for you to tell yourself the truth if infants have come into the world. Incase you don't know why this is so, then read the below:

Wherefore as by one man sin entered into this world, and by sin death; and so death passed upon all men, in whom all have sinned. Rom.5:12.

Syncan:
You see how deceptive you are? So Rom.3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God is now my own words abi. Carry on.

Syncan:
I take it you have no answer to my questions. Ok, a much simpler one, Rom.3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. Does the above scripture exclude infants? I still have quite a number of things to say but I need to see how truthful you are.

Syncan:
Jesus never said little children are "sinless". He came to die for them too. "All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God".

Anyway, Without beating about the bush, do you mind giving me the number of people in Cornelius household, the jailer's household and lydia's household. Please include their various ages and the scripture passage showing that the minors there were excluded.

Syncan:
Do you mind telling me where we don't practice it?

Syncan:
I cannot fault you at all. What it means is that at the point of your baptism, the required faith is present, such that when you get baptised all is fulfilled. However a faith that does not lead you to baptism is dead, it is not the faith of the apostles, that faith cannot help you.

italo:
And here you disagree:

Acts3:38Peter said to them, “Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ so that your sins may be forgiven; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

italo:
Believing is part of baptism.

The baptism we are talking about...is it the same one Peter said is for remission of sin in Acts2:38?

Do you also believe Barnabaseloka when he says Peter meant the opposite of what he wrote?

Or did Peter write the correct thing?

ifeness:
You wanna go to Hell of Fire?

davido0849:
Pls advice me on this... I prefer giving my tithe to my parents cos they needs it more. Is it wrong? Is it a sin? I can't just imagine giving tithe to the church when my parents needs it more. I seriously hope God understands.

Anas09:
Silly childrend. Your parents failed in bringing u up in the ways that you shd go.
Shouldn't you find out what the Bible says abt tithing? What are the spiritual significance of Tithing?
Do u remember the book of Malachi? The book that really talks abt tithe? Chapter 2:2 says, "IF you'll not hear and will not lay it to heart to give glory unto my name, saith the Lord of host, I will even send a curse upon u, and I will curse your blessings, yea, I have cursed you already.
God says "go right, you say you prefer to left. Have you considered why in ur family nothing works except u put ur hands in evil? You r doing business, you must lie, cheat, steal, give and take bribe. Babalawo or fake prophet or prophetess knows abt it? I know you don't know what Covenant wealth is. Where u can genuinely make wealth without the above mentioned.
Check ur family tree. See how difficult things are, its because u have brought a curse upon urselve by not regading the instructions of God.
Did the Bible say give ur Tithes to ur parents? The poor and needy? Did it not say bring it into my house? Keep following this seeds of Satan and walk straight to hell.

sunmarouk:
my dear brothers and sisters, water baptism is more than just a symbol, its part of the requirement to live a christ-like life. Jesus christ having no sin, yet did it, and after which the holy spirit came upon him and the same spirit drove him to the wilderness where he fasted for forty days and night, after which he was tempted by the devil, of which he came out victorious. So if he hadnt done the baptism, his ministry wouldnt hv started, physically, its a symbol, but spiritually, you have been been buried with christ and a new you has emerge. I urge you all to read ur bible, study(study to show thyself approved, a workman that need not to be ashame), and get a believing church where the truth are told, then you wil have an understanding. God bless U

Barnabaseloka:
Bro. you hit the nail on the head as regards infants being sinless according to what Jesus said. The word of God never talks about infant baptism anywhere in it.

italo:
1. Is Romans 2 correct that Gentiles will be judged by conscience?

Or is it wrong?

2. Jesus will touch them physically and spiritually.

3. Just assume a person never hears about Christ...or a two-year old...that dies can they be saved?

btoks:
Your teachings differs from majority of Christianity,even your protestant pioneers practice infant baptism.
So on what authority do you base your novel interpretations? And why should I believe brocab's version because that all you've stated,your version.not what has always been taught through antiquity.

btoks:
Your teachings differs from majority of Christianity,even your protestant pioneers practice infant baptism.
So on what authority do you base your novel interpretations? And why should I believe brocab's version because that all you've stated,your version.not what has always been taught through antiquity.

honourhim:
^^^^ dont satisfy your pastor's greed in the name of supporting church work. A good christian should be able to discern when a pastor is preaching out of greed and out of the spirit concerning giving.