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uchkochi:
THE BLESSING OF GOD IS WHAT MAKES RICH. THIS IS YOUR DAY OF BLESSING.

The high way to exceeding riches and wealth is not hard work as many have been made to believe, it is not long prayers as many have believed, it is not also 'hard fastings'. But it is the blessings of the LORD that makes rich without sorrows. Proverbs 10:22.

The high way to wealth is giving and 'hard givings'. By hard giving I mean sacrificial giving. Many want to prosper but they don't want to give. Even the easiest giving which is the tithe, they don't want to pay. Listen to this, tithing is the first gate to riches. Tithing alone can attract the money you need to come out of debt and live a debt free life.

Make up your mind to tithe every money that enters your hand, from the smallest to the greatest. The prayer of the tither is answered quicker than that of the none-tither.

Tithing puts your name in God's priority list. Your name is added there today in Jesus Precious name. You will get to where God wants you to get to in your finances in Jesus mighty name.

Giving and tithing has two different meanings, tithing means a percentage, and giving can mean less or more.
For anyone to say whatever is in your possession isn't yours in the first place, is calling God an Indian giver-God don't give to take it from you, once he gives it's yours, while you live, we buy and sell everything God has given us.
We live comfortably, or we don't.

And besides you have a cheek giving God a small percentage, when you say nothing belongs to you anyway.
Do what Abram done, not only did he give 10% he gave all, from the spoils of war that didn't belong to him.

Why not give your 10% money back guarantee and all you have back to God, {work for nothing} give it to the kings of the Church-do what Abram done.

When God blesses me with work, he didn't say work for him, he said I have blessed you with work to be blessed, the more work I receive I can bless others in need.

And do you understand what really blesses the Lord? {Not Money} when He see's His Children following after Him 100%, Seeking His kingdom studying, reading your bibles, this is how the Lord is blessed, it's His word" we are blessed, "not money" His word of wisdom and knowledge.

Money can't buy Love

joelbour:
Quite a detailed analysis. But you must understand that Mosaic law or not, love is expressed in giving. I dont think anyone is coerced into giving against their will. The law of tithing and other forms of giving are universal. Non religious people do give and they are blessed. Your "heartily" giving enriches no one but yourself. Whatever is in ur possession isnt urs in the first place.

People would like to think there's many different denominations-My Fathers house has many Mansions-which father are we talking about? And many of these denominations believe one can enter into heaven another way-Pope Francis said: Jesus is not the only way into heaven..It was Pope Benedict who said: Christianity was fake, and the true religion is the Catholic Church.

Already it's sad knowing many believers that worship the Pope will go straight to Hell, millions are listening to this garbage.
Have you ever heard of a book called the Spear of Destiny, it's hard to find, it tells the hidden secrets about the blood lines in the Vatican.

A big price to pay, think about this>the Catholic Church bow down to images to remind them' God exist, how many follow after the Pope?
Many believe the Pope is the beast-Who will follow after the beast.
There is only one denomination, One true God, One Lord and Savour, Jesus Christ is lord..

Exodus 20:3, you shall have no other God's before Me.
Isaiah 45:5 I am the Lord, and there is no other, There is no God besides Me.

And this proves one must be a born again Christian before entering into heaven.

I have asked you many times over, this same Question, and you have always avoided the importance on this topic-ARE YOU A BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN?
If you aren't then I do understand why you always seem to avoid most Questions I ask.

True Christianity is Christ like, and to be Christ like one must be born again.

KoloOyinbo:
Cant answer what? Had you a question?

Do you or do you not accept that Christianity has many different denominations?

"My fathers house has many mansions"

So the Catholic's use these images to assist in focusing in mind-that's why anybody who uses any images to remind them of something as a God this is called idolatry.
If statues are the only source that keeps Catholic's to remind them that God exist, then what do they do for the rest of the week without seeing the statues?
John 20:29, Jesus said to him,"Thomas, "because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.

There's no excuse why Catholic's should bow down to idols, they know what the bible say's about such, do not worship any other, but as we all know the Catholic's keep on doing it.
So there is a difference, this is why the Lord say's unless one is born again, he cannot enter into the kingdom of heaven.
He's not speaking of a new born into a Church.
Born again Christians don't need statues to remind them, because the Holy Spirit reminds us everyday about the Lord..
Thomas refused to believe because he needed to see the image-same like Catholic's they need to see an image to remind them to believe.

Images can create confusion. Most in the Catholic Churches Jesus and Mary look pretty much the same, and this can cause confusion when the real Jesus turns up-no-one will recognize him, because he won't look anything like the statues?
That's why Jesus said to Thomas, blessed are those who don't see Me and believe.

I see' without the use of the Holy Spirit, like Thomas-you need an image.

Not Only in Africa but all over the world, the Catholic's rely on these images, even in my country.

It's understandable why the Lord said: one must be born again and baptised in the Holy Spirit before entering into heaven.
It's separating us from the idols, look what happen with Moses, he would tell the people about God, and as soon as he turned his back, they build statues to worship.

These same images are already brought before the Church, and a new and old statue had been introduced in the Satanic Temple a statue of Satanic figure under way for Oklahoma Capitol, built next to the 10 Commandments. Old Satan himself.
Have you seen what's in the Vatican.

I have asked many Catholic's and I can't get a straight answer from any of them, I don't really believe they know why one must follow images, I believe they do it because everyone else is doing it.

But it's a big price to pay.

KoloOyinbo:
The Catholics use the images as something to assist in focusing the mind. They are [b]purely symbolic [/b]and not necessary in any manner shape or form.

I can see that (especially) to an African (because of the cultural environment) it may incorrectly LOOK like worship. But if you obtain a better understanding you will see it is no different if the image is present or not. A few moments spent trying to understand would alleviate a massive amount of time in incorrect and unwarranted criticism.

Better yet ask one to explain it to you.

You cant answer it.
Jesus Christ is lord..One God One baptism One lord...

KoloOyinbo:
I suspect that it is YOU who do not get it! (Although I cant see why as it is really VERY SIMPLE! There are many denominations of Christians. Why is this. Clearly because they don't fully agree on many issues some of which I have already pointed out (Baptism by total immersion as opposed to sprinkling etc). They ALL claim scriptural justification for their particular stance but all cannot be correct! So much is open to interpretation. YET ALL ARE CHRISTIAN except in the minds of some bigots inspired possibly by Satan.

If this is not clear enough try a little open minded study combined with prayer and ask some friend to explain it to you. If it were not so we would not have many different strands of Christianity.

Then explain it? Anyone who nods or dips down, or burn candles at the feet of statues, is another source of worshipping idols-statues can't help you, but Jesus Christ can..

KoloOyinbo:
As I mentioned before Catholics do NOT worship idols. Ask any Catholic friend to explain it to you. Its really very simple.

Call me a bigot I don't care-I believe in One God-One Spirit-One Lord-One baptism, you still don't get it, do you Mr KoloOyinbo?

The Pope had starting to call a peace treaty, for all religions to join together, to become under a New World Religion, and of cause many from different denominations have followed?
A One World Religion, and who's running the show? I don't believe in any other religion-but one-the truth in Christ, Jesus is the only way to the Father in Heaven..
If I didn't believe in the bible, I wouldn't be writing verse after verse to you' for how long now?

I study my bible every chance I get, I have done studying for years either with others or without others, and I find, the Lord talks either through the bible, or the Holy Spirit gives me a word, which makes my day, as I study there's a new word everyday.

You Quote>The message is quite clear but the interpretation is open to different meaning}, First Question--I would like to hear your version? Explaining to me why is it so important for Jesus when he say's one must be born again and be baptised in the Holy Spirit, before entering into the kingdom of heaven? Can you share your interpretation on this topic.

You say there can be two opposed schools of thoughts BOTH of which have scriptural justification!
Second Question--What scriptural justification are you talking about here-what is a Christian?

KoloOyinbo:
I'm glad you believe the Bible. The message is quite clear but the interpretation is open to different meaning which is why I find Bible study so interesting. There can be two opposed schools of thoughts BOTH of which have scriptural justification! Eg. Should Baptism be total immersion or symbolic sprinkling. It is very wrong (possibly Satanic to say that those of the opposite view are unchristian. They may we wrong but are still Christians.

That is why when I hear people who accuse others of not being Christians I despise them for doing Satans work and that is what I define as a bigot. NOT someone who stands up for their own point of view (which they are entitled to) but attempts to usurp God decision of who is and who is not. That is also why all these Hell Fire preachers are so useless. Too much hypocritical condemnation and not enough leading by example.

It shows you don't know anything about Christianity, don't you realize, it's a Christians job to find the truth, they will search, as far as the scriptures tell them too.
Do you realize it was Jesus who gave us endtime prophesies, Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21, and at the end of each chapter the Lord say's watch, and this is what Christians are doing across our nations.
Its no burden to me if I have written what someone else has said, or if I had seen on youtube or from other sources, about what other religions are doing.
This information is coming from some where-and the sad part for you is, people are starting to see the truth.
And if you are Catholic, and if you are practising pagan religion, worshipping idols then I advise you to leave that behind, become a born again Christian and come follow after Jesus, while you do have time....
Anybody can say they are Christian?

KoloOyinbo and myself are not arguing.

ChokolateBoss:
Ur daftness is legendary. What a heavy and unnecessary burden u carry. Prejudice, hate and ignorance is squeezing life and happiness from u. Drop d burden already! Stop reading daft magazine tracts, stop watching stupidd youtube vidoes and stop getting info from hate-driven and satirical websites.
These pple still don't get what it means to be truely christian. Gosh!
@koloOyinbo. Stop arguing with these kind of pple. Its a waste of time

Michael Jackson wasn't a Christian he was contracted to Sony, and Sony is part of the illuminati, and as Michael Jackson said: he will resign from Sony, he was soon murdered, Like all the other stars who are with Sony.
You don't play around with the unknown, the devil, unless you have the Lord, in Jesus name.

QualityShare:
An 18 yr old girl who died and came back from hell recounts her story,

Pope john paul, while on earth was not born again and also was an idol worshiper (the bowing down to Mary and saints Images). This is a warning to ALL Catholics who are also on their way to hell for idol worshiping.

Michael jackson also was sighted in hell. don't ask me why,

read more here,

http://www.zimdiaspora.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=5271:michael-jackson-is-in-hell-pope-john-paul-ii-is-not-in-heaven-either&catid=73:music&Itemid=299

I'm happy to be called a bigot and to be narrow minded, and I admit I am, I study in truth, and everything the Lord say's in word I believe.
As I said: if you don't believe in any of the spiritual movements that happens in the bible, then your not Christian, Christians believe, you seem to believe more on the witches and the warlocks faery more then the actual bible.

No-one said: ones going to Hell-God has already decided, who's going to heaven or hell, He has given us all a choice, to either become a born again Christian and receive the Holy Spirit. Or we don't become a born again Christian and receive the Holy Spirit.. Your choice.

This is not my argument, this is your argument with the Lord.
John 3:7, "Do not marvel that I said to you "You must be born again.' John 3:3, Jesus answered, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he can not see the Kingdom of heaven. Now these are the Words coming straight from Jesus.

There's no other way into heaven, we can't buy our way. Acts 8:18-20 Now when Simon saw that through the laying on of the apostles" hands the Holy Spirit was given, he offered them money. V'20 Peter said: to him "Your money perish with you, because you thought the gift of God could be purchased with money!
Are you a born again Christian? If so and your following the Lord, you have nothing to worry about, but help those out there who are with you to seek the truth in the Lord.
Old Testament God can take anybody to heaven' whom he chooses, since then God the Father gave all His authority over to His Son Jesus, and the only way into heaven is one must be born again-through Him.

KoloOyinbo:
I always find the worst Christians are those who accuse others of not being Christians.

(Also when a man says another is going to hell I am sure the first guy will precede the second IF the second goes)

I don't rubbish Africa. It is still developing and will continue to do so. The attitudes of a minority are however very much at odds with Christianity today and resemble the intolerant, fundamental and ignorant interpretations of a long while ago, properly rejected today. God will decide who is a Christian not any MAN. Any man attempting this is a savage ignorant bigot!

If you don't know about any of the above, then your not a Christian, and you haven't been around long enough to even hear ones testimony, about their dreams or visions, And how they travelled in spirit. And I know heaps of pastors who have seen Heaven and Hell.
You say you love Africa, and then every moment you have you rubbish it.
Hey which one is you in your picture, those standing on your right, your left, or that little cuddly white fellow in the middle.

KoloOyinbo:
Well just like the witches and warlocks who claim 'astral projection' they don't really travel either (in body OR in spirit). Its just our subconscious mind. If a pastor tends to think these ideas acceptable they are surely African. I don't know any priests, pastors, ministers etc in developed countries who believe in this sort of stuff.

The truth in Narrow minded is ok

KoloOyinbo:
Yes I see. The problem is that your interpretation of 'the truth' is very narrow. That's ok and you are entitled to it. Thankfully the vast majority of Christians are much more careful than and compassionate in their interpretation.

Well it's good, you are not a non-denominational any more? But rather a Catholic or a Presbyterian, I can now understand your problem.
I see.
No-one is bearing false witnessing against any neighbour.

Luke 10:27- You shall love the Lord God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your strength, and with all your mind, and your neighbour as yourself.

And this is the law, we follow.

The problem is, you and other religious believers, believe "other" then the truth in Christ, anybody can say, they are Christian?

Exodus 20:4-5, "You shall not make for yourself any carved images, or in the likeness of Anything that is in Heaven above; you shall not make any carved images from below, V' 5, You shall not bow down to them, nor serve them.

And the Catholic Church has these images built statues in the likeness of Jesus and Mary, the men nod their heads or bow down to them, while the women either dip themselves down, while others light candles, placing them at the feet of each statue, I have seen this myself, people who enter the Catholic Church either bow or nod as they walk past the images.

This is called idol worship. But if you believe these statues are only put in place to remind the people that Jesus and Mary are still alive, then I advise you, to become a born again Christian, so once you do that, statues won't remind you, but the Holy Spirit Himself will.

And idol worship, praying to the rosemary, is against the word of God, and because people such as myself, I tell you, you are practising against God's word, you think we are condemning you.

"We are not condemning you, but trying to help you, to see the truth as it's written in bible scriptures, we all love you in word and in truth, you too can become our neighbour in Christ, just as Christ is with us in truth.

We are not condemning you, we are condemning your practises.

KoloOyinbo:
My mother was Catholic (Father Presbyterian) and my schooling was also. I am very conversant with Catholicism and also the criticisms of it. Disagree with it on proper grounds (such as not accepting transubstantiation etc) but certainly not for false reasons put forward by those ignorant of its true doctrines.

I find that Catholics are usually very tolerant Christians. Much more so than many other denominations. They have a very intelligent attitude to worship and scriptural interpretation. While I am not one I dislike them having false accusations raised against them. What of bearing false witness against your neighbour?

We are talking about either way, in spirit people such as myself have travelled, either under the earth or above, in spirit people can travel anywhere, it amazes me when one can come back and tell their stories in so much detail.

Heaven and Hell Is so real, when our spirits freely roam the unknown, it can be so fearful and frightening at times; Or they could come back from a dream full of love.
Visions or dreams, from the Lord are usually translated so prefect, like its happening right at this moment.

The bible talks about heaven and hell, the story about Enoch or Elijah who didn't see death, and God took them up into heaven, hole.

How about the story in Luke 16:22-24 about the rich man and the poor man, both had died, the rich was "buried" and the poor man was taken up by the angels to Abraham in spirit. This story is told to show it's possible, for someone to travel to and fro in spirit.

Luke 16:28-31, The rich man asked Abraham to send Lazarus back to warn His brothers. But of cause the rich man couldn't go back himself, being a sinner in torment he is burning in spirit flesh and blood.
Revelation 20:13, The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them.
So the rich man was in hell body soul and spirit.

And Lazarus is in Heaven in spirit.
1 Corinthians 15:50, Flesh and blood can not inherit the kingdom of heaven. Sin can't enter heaven, but sin can enter Hell.
Isaiah 26:19 your dead bodies will come back to life your corpses will rise up.
1 Thessalonian's 4:16 For the dead in Christ will rise up first.

We all seem to believe in bible stories, about people in spirit travelling to and fro--but we don't believe anybody can travel to and fro in spirit in this day and age, today.

The 18 year old travelled in spirit to Hell and back, she didn't travel in flesh and blood. So there's a message here, maybe not for you, but she reached out to someone who believes. So it's possible for spirits to roam around.

Matthew 28:20, I am with you always, even to the end of the age. Amen..Jesus said: he will never leave us, and in most of the stories I hear are either with Jesus, or without, but still they seem to line up with the word of God.
Any prophesies dreams or visions, that lines up with the word of God, it's best to have it in mind, because some where down the track we may hear another story similar, in this case usually the Lord is trying to tell us a message.

And in most cases when I hear about the experiences people have, they have either written books or made audio tapes, or put it on youtube, letting the public know about their ordeals, and the message is out.

My favoured book besides the bible is Revelation of Hell, {Great detail} people tell their stories as they see it, which can either help save a soul.
Or" we have no support from believers who have chosen to go against the word of God, either by condemnation against other believers' who have stepped out of their comfort zone-to spread the gospel, weather in dreams or visions, or in prophesying, the way of the Lord.
Which true believers know' this is another way for the message to be delivered out to God's people.

Amen..

KoloOyinbo:
I thought we were talking about Hell? Perhaps you got confused along the way?

You aren't a Catholic, so how would you know what they worship?

Sadly our Catholic friends and family members have been indoctrinated to believe that the use of statues, relics and other articles is acceptable and even necessary for worship.
They have been taught by the R.C.Church that the images and icons used in the Church are not actually worshipped "But are simply "Visual aids to worship.
The C.Church long ago began making allowances for the idolatrous use of images by the way they reference the 10 commandments in the Catholic catechism and in most official Catholic documents.

The first and the second commandments are combined and then summarized with I am.
The Lord your God said: you shall not have other gods besides Me.
Suspiciously absent is what comprises the second commandment in the protestant numbering of the 10 commandments.
You shall not make any graven images>

While it is understandable for you shall not make any graven images " to be considered an aspect of you shall not have other gods besides Me.
Based on the history of idolatry involving graven images throughout biblical and extra biblical history.

It seems unwise to not include you shall not make any graven image in every listing of the 10 commandments.
The omission seems especially suspicious in the light of the fact that the R.C.Church has long been accused of the idolatrous use of graven images.
There is a good reason for not using images in worship. John 4:23-24, 'But the hour is coming, and now is when the true worshippers will worship the Father in Spirit and truth, for the Father is seeking such to worship Him.
"God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in Spirit and truth..

KoloOyinbo:
Regarding the 18 year old girl. You cannot come beck from Hell. Many people have dreams of terrible things they imagine are hell but no one who enters there exists again and you don't just have a quick look inside! So no one knows who is or is not really there. Also just to correct a very common misconception - Catholics do not worship either Mary or indeed idols. To explain what the actually do requires an open mind on the part of the listener so probably there is not time or space here to explain it.

GOD will decide who is condemned to Hell. When ANYONE on earth says that group/person etc is going to Hell we can be VERY SURE that we are listening to the voice of Satan - (probably through a unknowing dupe) - trying to sow dissention. Ignore EVERYONE who accuses others in this manner!

You again? Well then it will be imposable for you to believe the apostle John entered into heaven in Spirit, to write the story on Revelation.
John 3:13 "No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven.

Jesus was in the centre of the earth for 3 days and 3 nights in Spirit before He had raised up to be seen by His apostles in the flesh.
1 Corinthians 15:50 flesh and blood could not inherit the kingdom of heaven.
Elijah went up into heaven in a whirlwind-so this shows clearly he was washed in the blood of the Lamb, because sinful flesh and blood can't enter heaven.

1 Thessalonians 4:16, and the dead in Christ will rise first. So we can' enter heaven, washed in the blood.

What about the angels they travel back and forth from heaven in Spirit.

Matthew 17:3-8, Elijah and Moses, talked with Jesus on the Mount of Olives, V's 6, the disciples fell on their faces and were greatly afraid, Jesus came and touched them saying do not be afraid, either in Spirit, or in the flesh the apostles had seen them.

Acts 2:17-"And it shall come to pass in the Last days, says God, That I will pour out "My Spirit on all flesh"; Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, Your young men shall see visions, Your old men shall dream dreams.

If you believe in the bible, you have read on John, Elijah and Moses, then it's possible for them to go into heaven in Spirit and flesh, then why can't you believe others can travel back and forward in this day and age?

Jesus said I am-he's alive today, and he is the power to give visions and dreams to those He chooses to give.

It's sad when we have people like you who refuses to see any reason with dreams or visions told by others, people tell there stories the way they seen it to be.

Look how true John's version ended up when he wrote Revelation, talk about crazy, and we believed.

God may decide who go's to Hell, but He gave us all a choice, remember you either stay walking on the highways or you choose to stay on the narrow, God gave you a decision.
Amen.

KoloOyinbo:
Regarding the 18 year old girl. You cannot come beck from Hell. Many people have dreams of terrible things they imagine are hell but no one who enters there exists again and you don't just have a quick look inside! So no one knows who is or is not really there. Also just to correct a very common misconception - Catholics do not worship either Mary or indeed idols. To explain what the actually do requires an open mind on the part of the listener so probably there is not time or space here to explain it.

GOD will decide who is condemned to Hell. When ANYONE on earth says that group/person etc is going to Hell we can be VERY SURE that we are listening to the voice of Satan - (probably through a unknowing dupe) - trying to sow dissention. Ignore EVERYONE who accuses others in this manner!

Hell is so real.
I myself actually seen Hell in 20 minutes in a dream, I will never, ever forget it, all I can say is, I can remember my experiences as clear as it happen, 21 years ago.

One morning I had woken from my sleep before 6 am, as I looked at the time, like I usually do, but this one morning I felt a heaviness, I needed more sleep, and 6 am I fell asleep.

And this is what I had seen-at first I was standing between two de-mentions, soon after a man appeared up from the ground, and asked me a Question, I knew the answer and I answered it. Next, I was standing underground in the spirit.

I didn't know anyone, but what I had seen was hundreds of people in silent's gathered together, slowly moving, Not walking, but slowly moving from darkness into a much darker tunnel.
This place where I was standing, was like an open underground cave, that showed little light, through the shadows I could see heaps of people as far as my eye's could see.
People didn't seem to have any idea, where they were, either did I?
I only can guess maybe this was the first stage before entering Hell it self, then what's beyond that tunnel Who knows-I suppose those who have seen beyond and came back, can only tell their stories the way they had seen it, either you believe it, or you don't..

Standing alone-separated away from the crowded people, I had noticed one fellow looking at me, "Poor bugger's still there".

I then seen what looked like men from a distance but 4 maybe 5 of these men demonic beings had dragged a couple out from the crowd, the couple seemed helpless, they couldn't defend themselves, weak as, I had notice their fear, and with it, these demonic beings could only receive their strength and power from the fears the coupled carried, as strange as this sounds it was like watching a silent movie-I didn't hear any screams, nothing? But I felt their pain.

1 John 4:18, There is no fear in Love, but perfect love cast out fear, because fear involves torment.
But he who fears has not been made perfect in Love..

I couldn't tell you if the many people I had seen walking from the inter darkness even saw the activity I had just witnessed.

I was then moved from one place to another, as I stand tall I was looking down, into a demonic being, without any fear, I was standing in front of what looked like a man.
And this is what I saw-looking down into his eye's he was looking straight into mine, as strange as it sounds I felt the presents of evil, but I didn't fear it, his eye's were as black as black I felt I could see right through him, the skin the hair, the mouth the nose, everything about him was pure evil.

Dead man walking, he was a man, I can describe him as overly cooked-roasted, I can believe Satan comes back and forth from heaven to earth, spirit and flesh, I have heard different stories about the screams and the torments in Hell-but never once where their was silent's around him.

Everything about him, was evil, He pulled his right arm back and while bringing it back his fingers were together and he pointed them straight at me, towards my face, his hand looked liked bluey greyish ash, and as he pulled his hand away from me, I was moved again back to where I was before, having no fear inside my dream, at 6:20 am, I had woken up, finding myself laying back in my bed, and the fear I had received was over the top, I had never feared anything like this before in my life.

I had no idea what just had happened, I was shaken, still to this day it was a frightening experience, I can still remember the details so clearly as it happen.
Back then I was a back sliding Christian, I didn't fully give my heart over to the Lord, because I never really understood any meanings to become a good servant for Christ, my up bringing caused me to be afraid to even admit I was a Christian, but this was my turning point, and here I am.

I couldn't tell you the meaning of my dream, but what I can say, I have had many encounters with the demonic since then.
It seems they can only get their strength from you, from your own fears.

I have seen them, even to this day, I have had the demonic, wanting to make a deal with me. Like we hear about people signing over to the illuminati. It's demonic and very real.


Long story...

Yes I heard this story myself, so it just shows, one must be born again.
Recently I heard Pope Francis say: Jesus is not the only way to heaven, and he is trying to bring all religions together as one-under the New World Order.
Pope Benedict, Claims Christianity is fake, and the true religion is the Catholic Church..
The Catholic's believe one of Jesus's followers the apostle Peter, became Pope Peter, but something don't add up in their beliefs, Popes can't get Married, and the apostle Peter was Married, so where and when the R.C.Church started?

It's like everything else-without the truth in Christ nothing adds up..

QualityShare:
An 18 yr old girl who died and came back from hell recounts her story,

Pope john paul, while on earth was not born again and also was an idol worshiper (the bowing down to Mary and saints Images). This is a warning to ALL Catholics who are also on their way to hell for idol worshiping.

Michael jackson also was sighted in hell. don't ask me why,

read more here,

http://www.zimdiaspora.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=5271:michael-jackson-is-in-hell-pope-john-paul-ii-is-not-in-heaven-either&catid=73:music&Itemid=299

Those three days the Church celebrates-Ash Wednesday-Holy Thursday, and good Friday, could one of you nice Christians give me some insight about these celebrations and why?
Has it got something to do with Christ, How he was taken on sundown on Wednesday, died the 9th hour before sundown on Thursday and raised sundown Saturday. the normal Sabbath day?

Would one of you answer my Question, I have read up a little on this matter-but It would be nice to try and understand it from real Catholic's on this forum..Most of you hate me already, because of my narrow minded way's, Or is this two much for me to ask?

It's a pity you catholic's don't look for truth, but believe the lie..

Open your hearts, open your minds, trust in the Lord only. I'm narrow minded because theirs one truth. one mind, one body and one Lord and one savour/Jesus Christ is Lord..

I looked at your photo which one is you, and do you teach on health and safety?

KoloOyinbo:
You speak of love and lie about people with false and sinful accusations??

Reject Satan you fool!

Great message But really if this is true then the Lord would have written it.

But if it's not true maybe you need to ask the Lord for repentance, instead of trying to rip off the Church on the faery on the fourth message Tithes and offerings and the Fifth message, give all our earthly wealth to him, {to whom really} for our own protection and blessings-is Jesus now classed as a gangster, pay for your own protection or else?

Or else what, Is this the way you as a believer expect others to respond, laying the message down heavy, is this the way you believe you receive your blessings, that others should follow, money won't buy your way?

Act 3:6, Peter said silver and Gold I do not have, but what I have, I give you, in the name of Jesus of Nazareth, get up and walk...

Your story is to far fetch.

Debeloved87:
In May 2006, a servant of God named Brani Duyan from Malaysia, was brought to Heaven to meet with the Lord Jesus and receive a revelation of 6 messages for the church. Brani, 52, has served in the church as an Elder & Pastor. He died of a stroke and was taken by an Angel to Heaven, and saw the Lord Jesus Christ. Here is his testimony of the 6 messages he was told to convey to the whole church. Take heed …….

Jesus had messages for me to bring to Earth. He wanted me to tell these messages to the children of God on Earth. These messages are VERY IMPORTANT for them to know, said Jesus. I was told that I would be very busy getting out these messages. Jesus also wanted me to share my Heavenly experiences to all the children of God so they will be blessed and renew their strength to follow Him.

Jesus spoke to me, when you go back to earth tell all My children these messages. There were SIX MESSAGES which Jesus had given to me:

FIRST MESSAGE:
Tell My children, they must Believe in Me with All their heart, their strength, and their mind. Those who are worried and doubtful will not get in here, said the Lord Jesus.

SECOND MESSAGE:
Tell My Children, they must be faithful to come to the Church service, because that is the time when I will shine over their faces and they will look for My face. I will be very pleased to see My children worshiping at Church, said the Lord Jesus

THIRD MESSAGE:
Tell My Children, they must be faithful to Pray, do My will, and live with My words, said the Lord Jesus

FOURTH MESSAGE:
Tell My children, they must be obedient to give Tithes and Offerings,” said the Lord Jesus.

While Jesus was giving me this message, He said My child, look there He showed me beautiful houses which are ready for His children. My child, these houses are ready, I prepared for all My children that believe and are obedient to Me. Then He showed me incomplete houses. I asked Lord, why are these houses not yet completed? The Lord Jesus said My child, these houses belong to My children that are not generous giving tithe and offerings. These houses will be ready and completed after My children give more tithes and offerings in My House.
((Beware of false anti-tithing teachings that have tickled the ears and deceived many. You have been warned. Just obey God))

FIFTH MESSAGE:
Tell My children, they must put in Prayer all their wealth to Me for protection and blessing while they are still on Earth, so that when I come to Earth for the second time, they will not be attached to their Earthly wealth. Remember the story of Lot wife, said the Lord Jesus.

SIXTH MESSAGE:
Tell My children, they must be Ready and Alert, because I will be coming soon. Sooner than people expect! said the Lord Jesus,

RAPTURE
While Jesus told me the sixth message, He showed me the sky, continue here http://lifeboatchristianministry..com/2015/04/heaven-visitation-6-messages-to-church.html#more

Yes I'm proud to be a bigot and a narrow minded believer in word and in truth about our Lord Jesus Christ, there is no-other God but Him who stands alone...The king of Kings and the Lord of Lords.

Ephesians 4:4-6, "There is ONE body and ONE Spirit, just as you were called in ONE hope of your calling, ONE Lord, ONE faith, ONE baptism; ONE God, and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

You say I Kill of the Catholic's with my tongue, and my judgement a self righteous man as I am? Not even Isis kills of the Catholic's, Not even Boko Haram Kills of the Catholic's.
It's the Government leaders who finances them with Guns, supported by Mother R.C.Church herself finances them with money, both organizations supports-these so called terrorist.
Wars have never changed, one side supports the other side, and wars are never about the people-it's about gaining Money and power.
For that small price to pay People killing people, and the 95% Endtimes prophesies had began.....

And if you had enough sense in reading about the Endtimes coming our way, you will know it's the rich' who stand behind terrorist, killing off a small part of the percentages of the world's population.

Again if you read up on the times, you would know Isis and Boko Haram are such a tiny speck in this massive clean up about to come.

It won't be long-soon Hell will break loose' all over the world.

Thanks for your concern, you don't need to worry about my bigot words, and my narrow minded ways.
How kind?

I'm not asking for your apology for being a Catholic that's your choice, and I'm not given you mine either, It's my choice to be narrow minded, in the word of God.

Amen. Jesus Christ is Lord...

justjify:
Young man, you don't win souls for Christ by being a religious bigot. What separates you from ISIS and Bokoharam is the use of weapon. You have been killing catholics with your tongue and your judgment is left to God. Religious bigotry, condemnation/castigation, proclaiming self-righteousness and the likes are not best ways to win souls for Christ.I owe no one any apology for being a catholic. If you have a problem with that, then deal with it,because its your problem not mine.
#ProudlyCatholic

Why is this tread only for Catholic's....
Since it is-I will share a little bit of history about how the Catholic Church acted upon the innocent...

I remember growing up- as a child I was taken away from my Ma, not by choice' but by force, before my time the Catholic Church, had organized with government leaders, to round up coloured people, from all walks of life.
The Church couldn't except whites living with blacks under the same roof, a massive clean up were taken place under a Marshal law system put in place given white people full authority to shoot too kill, other preferred to enslave coloured tribal people, selling and buying, like we do today with live stock in the market place..

As I can remember, late 1900's it was the Catholic Church, and acting authorised personal, were rounding up the coloured from all walks of life, nearly every child either white in colour or with a lighter tan {black} related to tribal parents or un tribal, were still classed as outsiders and savages. And were put into missionary's and other homesteads, locked away in a prison type structure, keeping the inside away from the outside.
Children were taken and sold by authorised Catholic Churches-buying and selling the young, once again to couples without Children.
My Ma pleaded with the authorities, the Church had refused her request.
I was one of the lucky ones, my identity papers had changed and I was ready to be sold for adoption.
Long story.
Many children weren't so lucky, they were either enslaved, used as sex slaves, raped, or just disappeared.

{Times haven't changed endtimes is here, like never before-past history is repeating it self.
The Church with Government leaders once again, will use a MARSHAL LAW SYSTEM armies across the nations will clean up the cities, towns and villages 2016-17 all human beings will be put into a prison system type Fema camps}..
And those who refuse the C.Church will be put to death, under the New World Order and Religion system..

Some bright spark in science had used the evolution faery, mixing lighter humans with darker humans will make white. Of course the Church used this faery and tried to change God's creation.

Insane people from the C.Church Priest and Nun's and other authorised personal leaders were invited to join the enjoyment of their pleasures in Sin, {the illuminati strikes once again} beating and raping young boys and Girls, Claiming before the C.Church one must stay holy before God.

1 Corinthians 7:9 Denying the power of God, these Priest and Nun's burning with sexual passion, refusing to marry, in the name of the Catholic Church.

I was watching a youtube video, if this is true or false>people were actually protesting at the Vatican, they protested it was the Pope's priest had stolen their young child, and their fears have reached across a nation, their young daughter will be trained as a sex slave amongst the Church, who didn't deny taken the girl but refuses to release her.

The stolen generation stories that continua-led, still to this day, millions either committed suicide, never coming to the knowledge of the truth in God, "all" in the name of a false religion.

Well done good and faithful servants to whom?

And in the name of Jesus all is forgiven...

Good luck with this

frosbel:
Okay our Young ones ( students , corpers or new graduates ONLY ) , here is a challenge :

I want one of you anti-tithers to design and create a tract on why tithing is wrong, why the poor or anyone for that matter should not pay it and why we should help those in need instead of enriching pastors.

This tract must be colourful, straight to the point ( no essays ) and not more than 2 tract size pages.

The Winner will get £50 after the forum members review and approve the best tract.

The plan is to print these out and distribute to the masses in buses, street corners etc. So we will also need volunteers to :

- Pay for printing costs
- to distribute these tracts wholesale or retail.

I will also support to an extent printing costs.

I was just reading Acts 20:28-35, "Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the Flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the Church of God, which He purchased with His own Blood.
The Lord is talking to his Church, and He is telling His overseers "the Pastors" to shepherd the flock which is the believers in Christ.

V's 29, For I know this, that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock.
This verse the Lords warning us about these men and women of corrupt minds, wolves dressed in sheep clothing.
1 Timothy 6-5, men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, who suppose that godliness is the means of gain. From such with draw yourselves.
These wolves are already involved in our Churches today scamming and twisting bible verses, {Gaining finances} living the high life on your expense. The Lord's telling you clearly, from such withdraw yourselves, get out of there move yourselves away from these teachings. Tithing monies don't exist.

V's 30, "Also from among yourselves men will rise up, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after themselves.
These men and women are already involved in our Churches, twisting bible verses, scamming people for more worldly riches more then God, and already people have followed after them, and walked away from the truth.

V's 31, "Therefore WATCH, and remember that for three years I did not cease to warn everyone night and day with tears.
Jesus is given us warning, pick up your bibles, don't just lay there-verse after verse, the Lord is given us warning-Watch.

V's 32. "And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of His grace, which is able to build you up and give you an inheritance among all those who are sanctified.
Again read your bibles, Seeking His Kingdom, ask for wisdom and knowledge, build your true foundation and stand fern on the word of God.

V's 33, "I have converted to no-one's SILVER and GOLD or APPAREL.
The apostles didn't ask for your money-No tithes no offerings-nothing from you, all they want is, for you to listen to the word of God, it's free...

V's 34, "Yes" you yourselves know that these hands have provided for my necessities, and for those who were with me.
This verse is pretty clear to the open eye, even the apostles worked with their own hands, labouring in the heat of the day-sweating sharing the word of God while working-just for their keep, they didn't ask no-one for their tithes and offerings, but they worked hard for themselves and those who were weak with them..

V's 35, "I have shown you in every way, by labouring like this, that you must support the weak. And remember the words of the Lord Jesus, that He said, "It is more blessed to give then to receive".

I haven't really met any Tithers, who has a heart for just giving, without wanting to receive more of it back.
If I started to tithe at a 10 fold, every week of my hard earned cash?
In return from the pastor's info line, {In a 100 years from now, 52 weeks a year, 10% and more for my offerings that comes out of my weekly wage, I should at least build 100 Mega Churches, buy 50 cars, 10 planes and at least 15 helicopters, and mega homes for the newly wed pastors-rich to enjoy} Well done good and faithful servant, I just retrieve a 100 fold, pay back guarantee.

Scamming monies to pay tithes, is stealing.
Anybody who supports, tithing as a source to retrieve financial gain from God's people, supports the thief.

Swaginton:
so I was wondering..is it a waste of time paying tithe from money u scammed your parents? mature answers please

No-one can understand in the concept on tithing, when it's not scriptural ..

It's just plain and simple-pick up your bibles and read. Don't listen to others, don't allow others to twist and turn scriptures around that pleases themselves, it's just common sense read your own bible. If you haven't got a bible, then borrow one.

Ask the Lord to show you the truth. God don't tell anybody to tithe, why would He? Jesus would tell you to give-it was Jesus who had written the New Testament, which is about giving-not tithing.

If its, the blessings your after-then pick up your bibles and seek the word of God-and your blessings are there.
Blessings isn't about money-it's about you seeking the Lord, retrieving wisdom and knowledge in the word of God, building up your heavenly kingdoms in your mind.

Matthew 6:19-21, Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal; but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. "For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.

Thieves can't break into your mind, but they can break into your homes, business, mega churches.

I was once blinded by the word-only because I never really understood it, "Like you", I allowed others to twist and read the bible for me.
Until one day-I asked the lord to show me His Word, I picked up my bible, and I started seeking the Word of God.
I started seeing the bible the way Jesus had written it, it blew my mind, and the blessings just poured over me and every time I seek His Word it keeps on coming. Isaiah 44:3

The bible is very spiritual, this wisdom is not earthly, but heavenly.

Matthew 7:7-8, "Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be open.

How simple does this sound,
The word of God isn't about building up man made earthly kingdoms, it's not about collecting finances using tithes and offerings as a source to rip of God's people, "so" one can build mega Churches-homes and other resources here on earth, where thieves break in and steal.

The bible is about building your kingdom in heaven seeking bible head knowledge in your brain, where thieves cant break in and steal.

We have all learned how to survive while growing up, it's head knowledge that helps us exceed in life. No-one can take our learning experience's away from us, without us knowing it.

And again it's head knowledge seeking after the Lord.

Amen

So you aren't sure if we speak> whether lie or truth?

It's not that we all claim to be X Catholic's, but those who do-was baptised into a religion, not by choice, this same religion that forced families to become religious, a mother Church forcing innocent people, to be baptised in the name of a Church.

You prefer not to be baptised with the Holy Spirit in Jesus name-you prefer to continually deny the power of the truth about our Lord and saviour.
John 3:16

The Mother Church that follows after the beast, a Pope who believes he is God and Father of all man kind.

2 Thessalonians 2:3-4, Let no-one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, V's 4, Who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgcVXeToh8s

It's the truth that will set you free

Kamsified:
A memo on behalf of Pope II & Council

Dear brethren,
Daily, they keep opening threads to bash the mother church. And all of them (whether lie or true) always claim they were once Catholics but have now seen the light
As if that's not enough, they still enter a CATHOLIC thread to do the same. It's very rude n very disrespectful.

Anyway brethren, Do not think you can engage them here and win. The Reason is that their minds are already closed to the truth.
So please IGNORE or REPORT button should be the watchword when they come here going forward
Thanks

Signed: Pope II's secretary

Thank you...But it's a pity, I have always liked the winches, one who thinks everyone else has the problem-instead of themselves.
Feel free, to join me any time, either at Church or a house meeting-or lets talk Jesus on this forum.

justjify:
Hehehehe, I know where your problem is. Trust me, you'll hear no word from me.

Stay blessed, Shalom.

Even before I had started on this forum, I didn't tithe. Only because I had asked the Lord for the truth.
But hey, this forum has helped me to dig much deeper into the word, because of you, and others who are seeking the truth.
It's a blessing to me...

Praise the Lord for ever more..

Amen

dorox:
So glad to know that you are no longer under the bondage of tithe. Did this forum help you in anyway to come to the understanding that christians are neither required nor obligated to pay tithe?