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Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 1:12pm On Apr 16, 2018*

Judgement day, starts at the Church-and because of this, I believe you are delusional-I believe God have given you the desires of your heart, "and I believe there's good reason why-you have chosen to believe the delusion-because the Roman Catholic Church has exalted Mary to an incredibly higher level then Jesus.
Roman Catholic teaches-Mary brings us the gifts of Eternal Salvation: Mary is worshipped: Mary sits at the right hand of Christ: Mary Delivers our souls from death: Mary is Advocate, Helper, Mediatrix. Entrust our cares to Mary: Mary is the Queen over all things!
Enough said-this is why I don't belong, to Roman Catholic theology.

9inches:
It's your choice, whether you want to belong in the Body of Christ or not. It's your conscience judging you, and you think I'm the one threatening you.

Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 12:12pm On Apr 16, 2018

Every time you write, you can't help yourself, you boast about the Catholic's.

9inches:
How did you know what Catholics believe in?

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is Your Reaction When Jehovah Witnesses Knock On Your Door? by brocab: 1:19am On Apr 16, 2018*

"Ho" you are perishing alright, but the problem is you can't see it, you may think God will destroy you-for instants, like in the day's of Noah's, but even then those people that drowned, didn't drown over night. "You believe God told you to preach the Watchtower gospel, then believe you are perishing, Jesus said: repent and turn from your wicked ways and cry out unto the Lord and ask for your forgiveness you sinners, and remember this blind man, the blind can only lead the blind..

Riofidelio:
My friend, i quoted Jesus' comment so it's not about JWs anymore. It's about identifying those that are within Jesus' camp TODAY! If you're a contemporary of Jesus (a young man of about 33 years of age) saying that whoever refuses to follow Him will perish just like those that died in Noah's day(John 3:16-18) how would you feel?

The point you are not understanding here, 'is, Jesus said: receive the Holy Spirit-go out unto the nations and "PREACH HIS GOSPEL. This can't be done: without having the Holy spirit, the Holy spirit teaches us all things..
{John 14:26} But the Comforter, even the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said unto you.
You need to ask yourself? Are you Holy Spirit filled preaching Jesus, or are you still in the flesh preaching Jehovah?
Ask yourself why do you feel the need of magazines, when the KJ bible has all the answers that is needed to believe in Christ.
The Watchtower magazines are full of cartoon stories-living with Doctor Do Little talking to the animals, do you think this is the literature Christ asked you to go out to preach huh

Riofidelio:
My friend, i quoted Jesus' comment so it's not about JWs anymore. It's about identifying those that are within Jesus' camp TODAY! If you're a contemporary of Jesus (a young man of about 33 years of age) saying that whoever refuses to follow Him will perish just like those that died in Noah's day(John 3:16-18) how would you feel? Most especially when you're already practicing a well established religion and your religious leaders are furiously criticizing this young man! Would it not make more sense meditating on the young man's claims rather than saying "God can't kill everybody and leave only your followers"? Moreover, do you believe those recorded events actually happened or thought they're mere fables? Please read them again and prayerfully meditate on what led to those events and think about that God who did those things, can HE still do the same again just as Jesus (who claims to be HIS son) said? Please instead of thinking of how to criticize Jehovah's witnesses, why not think of how to identify those who belong to that God today and join them to know Where the endtime life saving Ark is heading to?

Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 12:58am On Apr 16, 2018

9inches:
So without the bible you would still have the Catholic Church, but without the Catholic Church you would never have bible. It's easy to understand, the Church has existed before the bible [gospel] was written and subsequently compiled.

The thought of God wouldn't have entered my heart mind or soul, and the Catholic Church wouldn't have even existed, if it wasn't for the apostles who were filled in the Holy Spirit to write the manuscripts in the first place.
I suppose when the pyramids where built, the thought of traditional slavery, would be in place, if we had relied on the Catholic Church to see us through, we will be in no-man's land, eating the crumbs of the floor from the rich man's table.
You really believe the Catholic Church is heaven on earth: God's second throne, sits in the Vatican: the Jews filled prophesy, but it was Rome that nailed Jesus to the cross.

Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 12:29am On Apr 16, 2018

Was Jesus ever called a saint?
All do you prefer to pray to saint's that had passed away: these you believe can save you, plus what evidence do we have that these saint's buried under the Vatican or laying in class coffins, are even in Heaven?
Or is it better to pray straight to somebody who we know, is alive and well sitting on the throne of God: praying directly to "He" asking "He" to give thee the desires of our hearts. {Hebrews 4:15-16}

9inches:
"You fool! What you sow is not brought to life unless it dies (1 Corr 15:36).

(1 Corinthians 15:42-49) "So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption"

The Saints are alive in heaven.

Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 12:21am On Apr 16, 2018

If I wanted to follow after Church traditions, I will go to Church, and I will obey the rules, "But to obey tradition from a Church I don't attend, "really" is this your only support, threatening me because I won't bow down with you.

9inches:
The Jews probably wouldn't have killed Jesus if their feelings weren't hurt. They placed feelings and arrogance over truth. But unfortunately for them, they killed the body but they couldn't kill the Truth.

{2 Thessalonians 2:12-13} because they refused the love of the truth that would have saved them. For this reason, God will send them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie, in order that judgment will come upon all who have disbelieved the truth and delighted in wickedness.…
Really" you are blaming the Jews-it was prophesied, what the Jews done before and after, Jesus, and it was fulfilled, don't you realise God send's delusions to all those refusing the truth, not just the Jews.
God answers prayers, He send's in the authority of priest pastors Governments etc,, God gives His people the desires of their hearts.
Just look around you! You believe-everyone outside the Catholic Church are delusional, well look at it from our prospective, about you..But remember this>{Hebrews 8:10-12} This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord. I will put My laws in their minds, and inscribe them on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they will be My people. No longer will each one teach his neighbor or his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ because they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest. For I will forgive their iniquities, and remember their sins no more.”…

9inches:
Willful ignorance. You're so scared to confront the Truth. Hard to find out all you've been sold and believe has been all lies.

Wait for me to serve you milk and honey, and probably sing you lullaby before you realize the lies you have been living in. I only respond how you respond; no one is buying your sob story. The Jews probably wouldn't have killed Jesus if their feelings weren't hurt. They placed feelings and arrogance over truth. But unfortunately for them, they killed the body but they couldn't kill the Truth.

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is Your Reaction When Jehovah Witnesses Knock On Your Door? by brocab: 2:42pm On Apr 14, 2018

O please, is this how the JW's react, a mighty spirit is roaming around murdering those apposing outside the Watchtower, really, threatening someone with death threats, is your best solution.
Anybody that don't have anything to do with the JW's, is smart, it is not because God will leave them alone, it is actually common sense..

Riofidelio:
One thing that's remarkable about Jehovah! HE always leave none JWs alone when they have nothing to do with US. History has shown that whenever they're standing against pure worship that's when Jehovah destroys them and another thing is before they perish they'll realize that the invisible and invincible mighty Spirit is killing them because they're opposing Jehovah's witnesses! Genesis 7:23 Exodus 14:14,25 Judges7:7 2Kings19:35 It would have made sense if you're saying you belong to the Camp of that same God but to deny the fact that God can't do what HE has done several times in past is tantamount to saying "Jesus was out of His mind" Matthew 24:27,Luke 17:26

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Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 2:13pm On Apr 14, 2018

I don't really want to know about the Catholic Church-I have listened, to much already-after having this conversation with you, your response, had actually pushed me further away "Your Angry Anderson, mentality, how you approach anybody for instants about God, really: you couldn't win souls-not with any of the knowledge you believe, you know..

9inches:
Check the meaning of Apostolic Succession. If Paul and other apostles taught the Thessalonians, how would you compare yourself to the Thessalonians in terms of understanding what Paul taught? Even with a PhD in biblical studies there is no way you can understand have a clearer understanding of what is in the scripture.

You are conflating 2 Thess 2:15 with 2 Thess 2:2. Another evidence of you making mockery of the Word of God.

If you want to know about the Catholic church, go to Catholic source. Even if you use straw man argument to make up what you think the Church is, you are only demolishing your own straw man. You lose the argument because you are not arguing what the other person is saying; you are only making up the other person's argument by yourself and then countering it by yourself. It's not helping you.

Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 1:58pm On Apr 14, 2018

Jesus died and risen, He is the same yesterday today and forever. Are the saints alive: can they eat and drink?
{Hebrews 13:7-8} Remember your leaders who spoke the word of God to you. Consider the outcome of their way of life and imitate their faith.
Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.

9inches:
What do you mean by "dead". Didn't Jesus die?

Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 1:50pm On Apr 14, 2018

If this is your way to describe tradition that the apostles taught, then I follow tradition, I also pray for the living, lay hands on the sick, and believe the Lord when He had said: go out unto all the nations and preach the gospel.
But when the Church refuses to teach the Word of God-from the bible-I then carry out my own task, and study the bible knowing, that when I search, I find that all Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for instruction, for conviction, for correction, and for training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be complete, fully equipped for every good work.…{2 Timothy 3:16-17}
But without the bible; who would know God really exist?

9inches:
Luther was a heretic. He died a heretic, so he won't be canonized a saint by the Catholic Church, but we can have ecumenical engagements with Lutherans of today because it was not their own making they became Lutherans.

The tradition is how the church teaches the word of God and laying of hands (commissioning preachers to preach) from generation to generation. The word of God can be perfectly taught without the bible because the apostles did not use any bible. Jesus did not leave them any written document when He was leaving.

Have you accepted that Paul never said hold on to Scripture only?

Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 5:58am On Apr 14, 2018

Martin Luther must of brainwashed the Pope too..
I see what Thessalonians say's, but you didn't explain what are the traditons Paul is speaking about?

9inches:
Catholics believe in this verse: "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle (2 Thessalonians 2:15)." Unfortunately, Martin Luther have brainwashed you guys to not believe in all the scripture. Protestants are masters of cherry-picking the Word of God instead of believing all of it.

Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 5:55am On Apr 14, 2018

Dead saints a dead saints, how they once lived-who knows-God knows. I prefer to pray for the living, because the God I serve, is the God of the living, He is not the God of the dead.
You should pray to God and ask Him why you believe you are unequal to brocab..

9inches:
Saints are human beings who lived holy lives in obedience to God’s will and are now in heaven, the destination that we saints on earth are in hope striving to reach.

Do you know what Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus means? Explain what you understand by that term.

Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 5:37am On Apr 14, 2018

You did say only those who know the apostles, then that leaves you out-you can't even accept the Holy Spirit, let alone personality knowing the apostles.
{1 Thessalonians 5:21-22} Paul said: Do not treat prophecies with contempt, but test all things. Hold fast to what is good. Abstain from every form of evil.…
{2 Thessalonians 2:15} So then, brothers (and sisters), stand firm and hold to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by our spoken word or by our letter.” Paul urges the Thessalonians to “not be easily shaken in mind or alarmed, either by a spirit or a spoken word, or a letter…” They were not to be deceived by anyone or any false word or practice {vs. 3} They were being disturbed by reports that the Lord had come {vs. 1} The Thessalonians had become Christians through the preaching of the Apostle Paul {Acts 17:1–9}
The church at Thessalonica comprised Jews and Gentiles, They then imitated Paul and the Lord {1 Thessalonians 1:6, 2:14}
The Gospel had come to them in power and by the Holy Spirit with full conviction {1 Thessalonians 1:5}
They not only had received God’s Word with joy, but also were spreading the Gospel themselves, and they had gained a reputation for their evangelizing {1 Thessalonians 1:8}
So they received what Paul told them and then spread it everywhere they went. The power of the Word rests in the power of a transformed life. The Gospel saves and delivers. Paul tells the Thessalonians that when they received the Gospel from Paul and his companions, they actually received the Word not as from men but as the Word of God {1 Thessalonians 2:13}
Paul’s traditions then would have to do with what he passed on to them, either as something directly from the Old Testament or something that he said or wrote. Think of the offices of elders and deacons in the early church. They are grounded in the Old Testament practices and teaching, yet in the New Testament, are completely new.
In the Old Testament, the prophets and scribes taught and the priests ministered or served. In the church, the elders teach and the deacons serve.
So really the Catholic Church is based on Church tradition, these are not because they are any use for anybody outside the Church-just traditions you have been taught-from childhood-It's just like today the Christian Church is being inundated by new ideas, new traditions, Paul preached tradition to keep the Church in order. Nothing more then that. But Catholic's believe traditions of works brings them closer to God..

9inches:
Only those who know the apostles, hear directly from them can teach the traditions which Paul encouraged even the Thessalonians to hold on to. He DID NOT say they should hold on to Scriptures only. To hold on to scripture only is unbliblical. That's not what Paul taught.

Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 4:47am On Apr 14, 2018

Nor did all the Popes that died in the past-they wouldn't be any used to you, even if you do pray to them.
Your tradition said: you pray to all the saints, by this site Martin Luther is a saint..
NEWSCATHOLIC CHURCH, FAITHThu Jan 5, 2017 - 7:31 pm EST
Vatican: Catholics now recognize Martin Luther as a ‘witness to the gospel’ Intercommunion , Lutheran , Martin Luther , Pope Francis , Walter Kasper
ROME, January 5, 2017 (LifeSiteNews) – A newly released document co-authored by the Vatican’s Pontifical Council for Christian Unity and the World Council of Churches promotes the upcoming January 18-25 ‘Week of Prayer for Christian Unity’ with the theme ‘Reconciliation: The love of Christ compels us.’

Encouraging commemorations in all dioceses of the world, the document notes the theme is drawn from the 500th anniversary of the Protestant Reformation. In 2017, it says, “Lutheran and Catholic Christians will for the first time commemorate together the beginning of the Reformation.” The text also states that “Catholics are now able to hear Luther’s challenge for the Church of today, recognizing him as a ‘witness to the gospel.’” Nevertheless, the Vatican is pushing the joint celebration of the Reformation focusing on the common element of “Jesus Christ and his work of reconciliation as the center of Christian faith.”

The theme of the week of Christian unity has Vatican watchers wondering if the Pope may announce that in certain limited cases intercommunion for Protestants might be possible. The Pope suggested such previously in an informal talk at a Lutheran parish in Rome where in November 2015 he told a Lutheran woman asking about receiving Communion with her Catholic husband to “go forward” guided by individual conscience.

That suspicion was given momentum last month when Cardinal Walter Kasper, one of the Pope’s closest advisors, said he hoped that the Pope’s “next declaration opens the way for shared Eucharistic communion in special cases.”

Eucharistic intercommunion is the main desire for Lutheran and Catholic leaders involved in the Papal participation in the Lutheran commemoration. Swedish Professor Dr. Clemens Cavallin in an essay on “Sweden and the 500-year reformation anamnesis” notes that the Church of Sweden webpage states explicitly about the pope’s visit: “What we foremost wish is that the common celebration of the Eucharist will be officially possible. This is especially important for families where members belong to different denominations.”

The severity of the change, if implemented, was stressed by Monsignor Nicola Bux, a former consulter to the Vatican’s Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith. If the Church were to change its rules on shared Eucharistic Communion, it would “go against Revelation and the Magisterium,” leading Christians to “commit blasphemy and sacrilege,” Bux told Ed Pentin of the National Catholic Register.

Regarding the Eucharist, Lutherans have a fundamentally different faith from Catholics, who believe that during the consecration at Mass the bread used becomes the body and blood of Jesus Christ while still looking like bread. Lutherans believe in a fleeting presence – that while Christ is present in the bread during the service, it is just normal bread again outside the service.

The approach of Pope Francis to a joint commemoration of the Reformation is partially based on a “naïve” understanding of the theological dialogue between Lutherans and Catholics, according to former Anglican, now Catholic priest Fr. Dwight Longenecker. Fr. Longenecker points to this statement of Pope Francis about Martin Luther as problematic: “Today, Lutherans and Catholics, Protestants, all of us agree on the doctrine of justification. On this point, which is very important, he did not err.”

Pope Francis draws his enthusiasm for this agreement on a Joint Declaration between Catholics and Lutherans on the Doctrine of Justification. However, Fr. Longenecker points out that the Vatican issued a detailed official clarification document wherein Pope Benedict (while still serving as Cardinal Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith) pointed out that there was not a consensus between Catholics and Lutherans on the understanding of justification. “The level of agreement is high, but it does not yet allow us to affirm that all the differences separating Catholics and Lutherans in the doctrine concerning justification are simply a question of emphasis or language,” said the document. “Some of these differences concern aspects of substance and are therefore not all mutually compatible.”

9inches:
Even if he's still alive, he wouldn't be of any use to me.

Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 4:35am On Apr 14, 2018

Knowing the scriptures, and knowing the Catholic Church tradition, is completely two different meanings, I don't know your tradition, and learning about Church traditions isn't the same as learning the scriptures.
I could be an elder following the traditions in a Church-but that doesn't mean I am more favourable to God, then someone who just sits in Church doing nothing.
God's word is very clear in telling us that all men are created equal and every single person can be a child of God, receiving the full inheritance of heaven. We can look toward the Bible to learn how to love and serve everyone no matter what their age, color, or ethnicity, gender or nationality. He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
So 9 inches the bible is simple, and it doesn't take rocket science to work it out, but trying to make yourself all high and mighty, over me, because I don't follow your Church traditions-it doesn't mean I am not obeying the Word of God I preach..

Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 4:03am On Apr 14, 2018

You maybe right I don't have Church knowledge-but I am not searching for Church knowledge, either-the sites you have given me, are say so's, give me the sites, that backs your beliefs up-proving it lines up with the bible?
Everyone already knows what the Catholic's teach Church tradition, the JW's have Church tradition, they also try to use it against those outside their Church-the Mormons, Islam, and the list keeps on going?
I am not interested in Church tradition-I don't care who taught it-but if it don't line up with the Word of God-it means nothing to me dealing with any Church-my focus is based on Christ.

9inches:
Here's proof you're willfully ignorant.

Are you willing to cure your ignorance now and read from Catholic sources what the Church teaches exactly, or do you still chose to look elsewhere with your eyes closed?

Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 3:56am On Apr 14, 2018

What can Martin Luther do for you? "Nothing" He had already died..

9inches:
@bolded, example, Martin Luther.

Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 3:53am On Apr 14, 2018

But I have enough knowledge to know Christ sent us a helper the Holy Spirit to teach us all things..
You had learned your literature from men who teach tradition..
Getting yourself all worked up again, won't make any difference to me-I believe, and that is all I need to know..

9inches:
It's not a novel that you have to find interesting. Read and find the contradictions with bible and argue it here. But your problem is even bigger than that - you have little or no knowledge of the bible.

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is Your Reaction When Jehovah Witnesses Knock On Your Door? by brocab: 11:58pm On Apr 13, 2018*

Jehovah's Witnesses are friendly. I believe most of their followers are sincere, but not the leadership. JW's are steeped in the New World Order, Freemasonry, the Mormons and Seventh-Day Adventists, are alike, "In their Watchtower magazines, JW's appeal to people's compassion for the world's poor, hungry and afflicted.
"A person who is spiritually naive of the Word of God is likely to be impressed by the Jehovah's Witness religion.
Physically and mentally the JW's do harm everybody inside their camp, those outside the camp are ready for the slaughter.
Yes we could believe they teach-honesty between themselves, hard working, avoiding debt, purity in relationships, and faith in Jehovah. It's the perfect religious cover, "But Albeit, religion is not the Gospel.
Anybody can be a devout follower of any religion you want, and still go straight to Hell when you die!
The fruit of the JW's spirit is religion that, wants to fit us with glasses, but the Lord Jesus Christ wants to open our eyes!
{Galatians 1:9} “As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
If the JW's knew the scriptures-as they say: their number one focus wouldn't be refusing to give blood-and save a life, their second main focus wouldn't be, separating Wife's with Husbands, visa versa, parents with Children visa versa..

Riofidelio:
Sorry it's not just a wish but a biblical prophecy,Revelations 6:15-17 we love people so we don't wish them any harm Jehovah is the one who is angry and running out of patience just like the days of Noah.Zephaniah 2:2/3 Remember Noah can't wish his neighbors evil at least he has brothers,sisters,cousins,nephews,uncles,Aunties and so on but when Jehovah's patience ran out HE asked Noah to enter guess who locked the doors and took the keys away, it's Jehovah's angel!Genesis 7:16 Why? Because Noah might be tempted to open the door when he hears people voices especially that of his close relative crying for help. So we don't wish you people any evil,it's Jehovah's anger that's approaching!

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is Your Reaction When Jehovah Witnesses Knock On Your Door? by brocab: 10:40pm On Apr 13, 2018

Don't jump in to fast-my message meant every Church-including your Church-wrong doctrines preached are causing people to leave the Church.
This is one of the JW's down falls, they don't preach any doctrines concerning Christ in the first place..
{2 Thessalonians 21:3} Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come {1914} Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin {Charles Russell} is revealed, the son of perdition.

Riofidelio:
Soon all those opposing Jehovah and HIS witnesses will be put to shame, gradually you're all rebelling against your teachers who taught you to resist Jehovah's witnesses. But Jehovah's witnesses are increasing in number and solidly behind our own organization. No problem, soon all of you will abandon your "idols" by then you'll look for US but we'll not be able to help you again.

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is Your Reaction When Jehovah Witnesses Knock On Your Door? by brocab: 2:17pm On Apr 13, 2018

Anytime, feel free-knock and It will be opened, seek and you will find, ask and it will be given. Mainstream Mega Churches are not looking to keep people in, unless there's a price tag hanging of them.
You are right-if they attract them with food, people need to be sustained with food, always, this is one of my main reasons why I couldn't settle in one Church, was I felt-the Church pastors, were not sustained enough to feed me the Word of God.
Sadly enough this is happening, and the small few of true believers in Church are not being fed, mainly because the Pastor is now focused to please men, rather then he himself is pleasing God.
{1 Timothy 6:3-5} If anyone teaches otherwise and does not consent to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which accords with godliness, he is proud, knowing nothing, but is obsessed with disputes and arguments over words, from which come envy, strife, reviling, evil suspicions, useless wranglings of men of corrupt minds and destitute of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a means of financial gain.
From such withdraw yourself-Wrong doctrines are causing disputes and arguments, among the believers to leave the Church.

FireforGod:
let me add to this:they don't know that it is what you use to attract members that you use to sustain them,if you attract them by food you need to sustain them with food therefore attract them by the spirit and sustain them by the spirit.What a bird eats will sustain it in flight.Thank you,always your humble writer fireforGod

Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 1:41pm On Apr 13, 2018

I have read through these sites of yours, and none of them lined up to the Word of God-so of course I lost interest-I asked you to lead me to sites that backs up God-and you didn't-instead I went on a wild goose chase..
I will not pray to Mary-nor to dead saints, when it was Christ who have given me access straight to the throne room of God-nothing you say will turn me away from the Word of God.
A Catholic casting out demons-God compels you-the angels compels you, the saints compels you, Mary compels you, Jesus compels you..

9inches:
Your attack on Christ and His apostles did not stop there, you are also attacking the mother of God out of ignorance. I showed you how to search Catholic sites to know what the Church teaches, but because the devil tries to obstruct you from seeing the light. You're reveling in willful ignorance.

Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 1:28pm On Apr 13, 2018

Stop being nasty and prove your facts?

9inches:
@bolded, you see why I use the word "willful ignorance" for your case. You willfully chose to keep demonstrating ignorance of the Church's position. I'm deliberately quoting your replies because I refer people to come and read them to see how protestants like you argue against ignorantly against the scripture and Christ's message.

Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 1:26pm On Apr 13, 2018

Well I couldn't really prove my fruit to you in person-and we don't know each other in genial, "by their fruit we will know them, Plus I find you funny right now-you read what the Holy Spirit can do, but you have refused Him working through you..
You say the Holy Spirit don't bring confusion, "Fleshly Men brings confusion-the flesh wars against the Spirit-visa versa.
We are having this same problem now-your flesh brings confusion against the Spirit, and the truth can't be revealed in you..

9inches:
I doubt you have the Holy Spirit as you protestants all claim, because the Holy Spirit does not cause confusion which you have in over 33,000 denominations today. Anyone is free to read the bible but the Church is the only authority to perfectly interpret it if there's any confusion. Is the word "trinity" in the bible? Why do you use such word that is unbiblical?

Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 1:04pm On Apr 13, 2018

Maybe my page sounds silly, but to someone outside the Catholic Church they would understand which direction I am coming from.
If Hail Mary Mother of God-Queen of Heaven lines up with the scriptures, then I must be looking elsewhere with my eye's closed.
You have never proven your allegations, and I can't find these allegations anywhere in the bible? I suppose, this is one of my main reasons, "Why" I don't have a place in the Catholic Church I can call home, everything I have read about this Church-nothing about this Church lines up with His Word.
This is one of the many problems with denominations, they have taken verses out of contexts-and they refuse to rightfully accept the Word of God, "All claim they belong to Christ-Christ saved them-and no-one is saved unless they belong to their Church.

9inches:
You sound silly. "Thee" = "you". You obviously do not know the scripture, if you did you would have realized everything the Catholic Church does is in line with the scripture.

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is Your Reaction When Jehovah Witnesses Knock On Your Door? by brocab: 9:02am On Apr 13, 2018

Thanks for your input-"so it seems you are preferring to prosperity preachers-you will be surprised to know that not everyone that go's to Church are saved, many that say they believe, don't believe-Judgement starts in the Church-these problems are causing an uproar within the body of Christ, many are told, if they come to Christ-its a guarantee to have health and wealth. People are coming to Christ, for different reasons..
But these are lies told by Church members within the Church-Pastors claiming people are saved because of a simple prayer..
Different organisations from either inside or outside the Church-are workers of iniquity, people-Pastors preaching another doctrine, not the doctrine Jesus sent us out to preach..

FireforGod:
Anybody trying to turn the scriptures upside down or downside up is an apostate to the church i am going to list all of their kinds:
Apostacy is very common in the church and many pastors are apostates,many people follow a pastor because of gifts;the book of matt7:15-20,the verse 20 says by their fruits you shall know them,look at the fruits in the life of a pastor;Gal5:22-23 because a pastor with good fruits will never be an apostate
The types of pastors are:
1.successors(aropo oruko):they are common starting from the old testament which we see in the life of Eli(1sam2:12-17) and samuel(1sam8:3) and Aaron.God never called their sons but their fathers yet they go into ministry.
2.Circumstances(iyalende):these are people led by situations into ministry,they just go to a seminary,graduate and declare themselves pastors.
3.profession or retirement(alayojuran):when the church sees that this person can speak good english and is a doctor,they annoint them,that is why there are so many Rev(dr)s.
4.business ninded(alatise)these are those who go into pastoring because of money.some were even called as envagelist but decided that prophets were making money and declared themselves prophets(Gehaz(2kings5:20-23).
5.Apostates and heretics(apeyinda):they Knew the truth once but discovered that people do not want to hear the truth(2 tim4:3-4),they divert to heresies.Most of them are motivational speakers today.
6.Half baked(afarajoruko):they ere called but were not patient to be trained by God.
7.untutored(Alaileko):They are lifted up with pride because of their educational achievements and refuse to be tutored.
8.pirates(Eleda):they were not called by God and dont have the holy spirit but search on the internet for sermons and copy it to preach to church menbers
9.stick to the master(jesus) in truth:they are few but always say the truth no matter how hard or bitter it is(2 tim4:5.)
JW fall into the category of apostates and they have no repentance because luke9:62 says no man having put his hand on a plough and look back is fit for the kingdom of God,where do you belong?
Your humble writer fireforGod

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is Your Reaction When Jehovah Witnesses Knock On Your Door? by brocab: 2:14am On Apr 13, 2018

If you are preferring this to the JW's then I am sure they will love to hear it from you=someone who has given up their religion or left a political party-is what they do best, JW's don't look at scriptures with ease, without the Holy Spirit they are guessing: and guessing doesn't always prove they are right..

FireforGod:
Everybody am not going to talk much,but i know that jehovah witnesses are apostates Matt7:15-20,2Tim4:3-4

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is Your Reaction When Jehovah Witnesses Knock On Your Door? by brocab: 2:00am On Apr 13, 2018

Are you saying below is not what the JW's have done: you have made a mockery out from God: changing His Word, and made it into a comic book.

Riofidelio:
Paul said in the last days many will turn away from the (ORIGINAL) Faith and get teachers for themselves to teach them according to what their heart desires!

The JW's don't preach Christ-but Jehovah they wear by: If this is your favorite scripture, then wake up-and line up-your literature, with the bible literature, I assure you it's not lining up!!

Riofidelio:
But the practical applications is what may annoy you, those Paul is referring to will get teachers for themselves, they won't have time for God's work

{But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?}

Riofidelio:
they'll be claiming Christians but their doctrines will differ from one another due to difference in their school of thought, they'll love false stories(lying testimonies),they'll not be organized as their teachers will be trying to please them so as not to loose congregants.

{They will print out Watchtower comic books, they will love false stories and lying testimonies, from a JW's point of view they will be brainwashed, believing the Kingdom come, is on a island living with Doctor Do Little living in harmony with the animals}

Riofidelio:
Paul said in the last days many will turn away from the (ORIGINAL) Faith and get teachers for themselves to teach them according to what their heart desires! That's my favorite scripture. But the practical applications is what may annoy you, those Paul is referring to will get teachers for themselves, they won't have time for God's work so they'll be paying for the services of their self appointed teachers, each person will choose a teacher that soothes his heart, they'll be claiming Christians but their doctrines will differ from one another due to difference in their school of thought, they'll love false stories(lying testimonies),they'll not be organized as their teachers will be trying to please them so as not to loose congregants. Well let the person with discernment use his God's given brains!

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is Your Reaction When Jehovah Witnesses Knock On Your Door? by brocab: 1:30am On Apr 13, 2018

No you may not force people to believe, but you do try to lead people down the wrong path, we aren't against anybody wanting to have their say-but when you are dealing with the believers, be prepared, because what you preach, we will, know you.
Plus if you really believe Christ would go away-without sending the Holy Spirit, to remind us everything the Lord preached-and if you believe you can go out and do the Lords work, without the Holy Spirit-then you need to think again.
{ John 14:24-30} He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine but the Father’s who sent Me.
{Do you JW's keep His Words: do you preach Christ, or do you preach Jehovah?}
“These things I have spoken to you while being present with you. "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
{Do you agree: the JW's are led by the Holy Spirit to teach them all things?}
Peace I leave with you, My peace I give to you; not as the world gives do I give to you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid. You have heard Me say to you, ‘I am going away and coming back to you.’
{Do the JW's believe Jesus is coming back to you, or do you believe Jehovah is coming back to you?}
If you loved Me, you would rejoice because I said, ‘I am going to the Father,’ for My Father is greater than I.
“And now I have told you before it comes, that when it does come to pass, you may believe. I will no longer talk much with you, for the ruler of this world is coming, and he has nothing in Me.
{Do you believe, Christ told you these things-and these things will come to pass, that you may believe, "But do you believe?}

Riofidelio:
If we're not in agreement at least we can always allow everyone to practice what they believe. We're followers of Christ, He will never force anyone to do God's will because He knew that we're free agents! Until God gives Him the order to destroy unbelievers everyone is free to practice any religion of their choice. So i never agreed with you i'm just been tolerant!

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is Your Reaction When Jehovah Witnesses Knock On Your Door? by brocab: 3:47pm On Apr 12, 2018

Are you on drugs? When does a JW agree with believers.

Riofidelio:
Nothing do you my friend, as long as you're able to mimic Bible passages without the practical applications thereof.Don't mind me jare you're a born again Christian so keep it up!

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is Your Reaction When Jehovah Witnesses Knock On Your Door? by brocab: 3:43pm On Apr 12, 2018

Join us, and share your knowledge..

FireforGod:
I will welcome them in,then say "let us pray",they will refuse because they hate praying with outsiders,and they will go out if i insist.

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is Your Reaction When Jehovah Witnesses Knock On Your Door? by brocab: 3:38pm On Apr 12, 2018

So friend, brother what ever-Jesus said: {Matthew 12:50} For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

Riofidelio:
My friends Hairyrapunzel and brocab, please i'm not trying to play a smart one or say you guys are not knowledgeable! Of course both of you are interested in God's word otherwise you'll be somewhere arguing about Manchester and Chelsea,the fact that you're both commenting on biblical topics shows you have zeal for God and that's good from God's standpoint.

Then since you believe we are at God's standpoint, then this proves to your statement, you are not any of the above..

Riofidelio:
Sorry i never made that mistake in my life to call you my brother when we're not related in any way! There are three ways we can relate as brothers Blood, Faith or Business. As long as none of these ties us together we can't be brothers, we can only be neighbors or friends. So you're not my brother!

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