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 Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 10:44pm On Feb 22, 2018 |
You expect me to criticize Catholic teaching, everybody criticizes-and shamefully with religion the Catholic Church is always in the middle of it all. I have read about many different religions-but the main attraction is-most false religions actually lines up with the Catholic Church, and this isn't criticizing-this is the truth.. Pointing out errors, won't change the fact people choose to believe them, the truth is written in the bible-but how many actually read the bible, to seek between error's and truth? Most people in Churches believe in their Church traditions, they would rather listen to either their priest-pastor, then to read something God's Spirit had ordained men to write the scriptures. There are more people in Churches all over the world today,"lost" and as I said above, and this isn't criticizing-since you became a believer in Christ, is there fruit-would you recognise changes in you-since the beginning? Count the many Churches who are guilty of crimes against God and humanity, is the Word of God actually being preached amongst the believers: all is there another tradition of doctrines stopping God's people to gain eternal salvation. God won the battle, had He opened to us a narrow door, a decision is made so each and everyone have a choice to decide, which life we have chosen to live by. “They are not of the world, even as I am not of it,” and this is before His request: “Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth. Are we not all in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, righteousness and sanctification and redemption” {1 Corinthians 1:30} 9inches: |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 1:06pm On Feb 21, 2018 |
Here we go again, refusing to give me something I could work on, instead you prefer me using religious sites-but not the sites I found is useful, if Got Questions won't help me, than what makes you believe EWTN website will? So far the EWTN website isn't helping me at all-matter of fact-it is doing my head in, and damaging me spirituality, if I wanted to believe in fairy tales, yes EWTN would be the site to go-I actually thought you were going to lead me to a good site-not something on the lines of a witch hunt, I thought Catholicism were a group of people that brought people to God, not turn them away. If you are expecting me to learn something about God, then at least give me truth, not something-the Catholic Church have added to scripture. 9inches: |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 4:48am On Feb 21, 2018*. Modified: 5:21am On Feb 21, 2018 |
So now you would like me to past certain chapters? At first You wanted me to just look into EWTN website, I did, but you didn't give me a site to focus on. Finely I can see-where you are heading with this, and of course you call your blood father at home holy priest, just like the Catholic's say about the Pope. Just by looking at this below-obviously you are looking into the scriptures sightly backwards. There is nothing wrong with using the word father metaphorically, there is nothing wrong with calling our earthly parents “father” and “mother.” In doing so we are not giving our parents an elevated title or position that belongs only to God. Our earthly parents are worthy of honor, and we are to honor our parents daily in the spirit of {Exodus 20:12, Matthew 15:4, Ephesians 6:1–3} It would be confusing for God to give the fifth commandment in {Exodus 20:12} “Honor your father and your mother” and then later restrict us from calling our earthly father “father.” {Matthew 23:9} states, “And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and He is in heaven. ”The context of {Matthew 23:9} tells us that referring to one’s biological father as “Father” is not what Jesus is speaking about. In {Matthew 23:1–12} Jesus is denouncing the Jewish scribes and Pharisees for rejecting Him as their Messiah, in particular for their hypocrisy in elevating themselves above others with titles such as “teacher” and “master.” The Jewish teachers affected those titles because they supposed that a teacher formed the man or gave him real life. They sought, therefore, to be called “father,” as if they were the source of truth rather than God. Roman Catholics call their priests “father,” and the Pope is the “holy father.” Abbots take their title from the Aramaic word abba, which means “father.” This is clearly unbiblical. The priest as “father” is problematic. In the case of “holy father,” there is no doubt this title is unbiblical. No man can take on the title of “holy” anything, because only God is holy. 9inches: |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Is Your Reaction When Jehovah Witnesses Knock On Your Door? by brocab: 11:22pm On Feb 19, 2018 |
Scripture? sholytomx: |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 11:11pm On Feb 19, 2018*. Modified: 12:35am On Feb 20, 2018 |
Here I go again, I have found better sites for you to criticize, these sites are the truth-sites that people could understand more clearly, where there's truth-people run to it, because it's true. God is not mocked: and in Word He will always lead His own people to safety. Writing down Catholic doctrine I think contradicts the Scripture, is not hard to find-matter of fact I have written down many contradictions the Catholic's believe-but this won't matter to you, because the bottom line is, you don't believe, this>If You Abide in My Word, You Are Truly My Disciples.. 9inches:Overview of how Catholic faith contradicts the Bible 1. Calling the Priests "Father" is forbidden Catholics are taught to call their priest, "Father", as a religious title of respect. Christians in the first century never called their leaders, "father". This first happened hundreds of years later. Praying repetitive words using Rosary beads is forbidden. 9inches:The Authentic Doctrine of the Eucharist At the heart of Roman Catholicism lies the celebration of the Eucharist as it both expresses and renews the living faith of Catholics. Each new generation accepts the tradition, even as it articulates its own authentic understanding and expression of the Eucharistic doctrine. The Authentic Doctrine of the Eucharist documents the rich heritage of this living tradition. So more can I say? 9inches: |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 11:15pm On Feb 18, 2018*. Modified: 2:04am On Feb 19, 2018 |
Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by 9inches(m): 2:18pm On Feb 15 Open any of the links, search for any topic you desire, for example bowing to statues and paste the teachings you find here so we can criticize the teachings together. You have to understand THE REASON WHY the Church believes or practices whatever it believes or practices. The reasons you can find here. Copy and paste any of them here and criticize it: Sound Hypocritical, coming from a Catholic-so you prefer me to criticize these sites-so you can laugh with me? Why criticize your Church, together we could search the scriptures to find the truth where your Church began? History First Christians-According to Catholic Church tradition, Saint Peter established the church in Antioch, and was the city's first bishop. before going to Rome to found the Church there. But was it Peter? "It was in the city of Antioch (modern day Antakya in southeast Turkey) that Christians were first so called {Acts 11:26} "After having gone to Tarsus to get the new convert Saul, only recently a persecutor of the church himself, Barnabas returns with Saul and they work with the church at Antioch for a year. What an encouragement he must have been to Saul, for most believers were still afraid of him. Later, Barnabas and Saul (soon to be known as Paul) will travel through Asia Minor together establishing many churches in many different cities. Antioch would become their "headquarters" from where they would launch their missions and return after completing them. 9inches: |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 12:51am On Feb 17, 2018 |
9inches:So you would like me to criticize the Catholic's-I have a better idea, lets start with lining up your doctrines of traditions and how Paul actually had interpreted it in the scriptures. {2 Thessalonians 3:6} Has nothing to do with the "Sacred Tradition" claimed by the Roman Catholic Church. It is about not being idle and failing to work. But that hasn't stopped the Roman Catholic church from reading into the scripture the idea that "tradition" means apostolic pronouncements that were orally deposited to the Roman Catholic Church which then releases them over time. They should stick with what the text actually says, and not what it does not. In the New Testament, the word "tradition" also has reference to that which has been passed down. In some contexts, it is clear that some things (doctrines, rituals) passed down by man are contrary to the Word of God, and should be forsaken see {Mark 7:13} The fact something is passed down from one time to another does not mean it must be forsaken. But if it is contrary to the Word of God (whether traditional or contemporary), it should be forsaken {Colossians 2:8} In other contexts, there are traditions we ought to hold and perpetuate. Paul wrote to the Thessalonians and said, "Stand fast and hold the traditions," {2 Thessalonians 2:15} Here, traditions are those ordinances, precepts and teachings transmitted through the apostles of Christ, and intended for all future generations. Remember what Jesus said to His men when He sent them out after His resurrection? "... teach them to observe all things that I have commanded you," {Matt. 28:20} As an apostle of Christ, Paul taught what Christ commanded, and this body of instruction transmitted through the apostles is now preserved in the New Testament. Our obligation is to learn these instructions, then "stand fast" and "hold" them against all threats and temptations. In the next chapter, Paul adds this: "Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received from us." {2 Thessalonians 3:6} Not only must I stand fast and hold the traditions {New Testament} I'm also obligated to join with others in the local church to take action against those who rebel and refuse to keep these sacred traditions. It is the teachings (paradoseis, 'traditions'). Paradosis means truth which, having been received, must be faithfully handed on. In this case it is Paul's own teaching, which he had received from God {1 Thessalonians 2:13} and which subsequently, he writes, we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth (his oral instruction when present with them) or by letter (his written instruction when absent). So these paradoseis are not the later 'traditions of the church,' but the original teachings or traditions of the apostles. It is vital to preserve this distinction between the two kinds of tradition. The apostolic traditions are the foundation of Christian faith and life, while subsequent ecclesiastical traditions are the superstructure which 'the church' has erected on it. The primary traditions, to which we should hold fast, are those which the apostles received from Christ {either the historic Christ or the living Spirit of Christ} which they taught the early church by word or letter, and which are now preserved in the New Testament. To 'stand firm and hold to the teachings' means in our case to be ... uncompromisingly loyal to the teaching of Christ and his apostles. This is the road to stability. The only way to resist false teaching is to cling to the true teaching that is written in the bible." 9inches: |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Pentecostal Church Verses The Catholic Church. by brocab(op): 11:21pm On Feb 16, 2018 |
Uben have you read this, 9 inches shared this site. http://catholicchampion..qa/2010/10/rationalism-vs-faith-protestantism-vs.html Pope Francis and Death Penalty Lets translate the current Catechism into modernistic Francis language everyone can understand, it should have said "the traditional teaching of the Church does not exclude recourse to the inhumane measures of the death penalty." Today pope Francis has announced his method of spreading confusion across the Church like wildfire. Francis communicates to us something that has never been a part of preaching the Gospel. He said, "It is not enough to find a new language in which to articulate our perennial faith; it is also urgent, in the light of the new challenges and prospects facing humanity, that the Church be able to express the “new things” of Christ’s Gospel, that, albeit present in the word of God, have not yet come to light. This is the treasury of “things old and new” of which Jesus spoke when he invited his disciples to teach the newness that he had brought, without forsaking the old (cf. Mt 13:52)." Francis has now invented his own Gospel. He says it is not enough to ensure we are preaching the perennial faith with sufficient language to meet our time, but that now we must express, "new things"! Now we are supposed to be finding things in the Word of God that we have never heard of? Did Jesus speak of this in Matthew 13:52? I think not. Lets look at the passage. He said unto them: Therefore every scribe instructed in the kingdom of heaven, is like to a man that is a householder, who bringeth forth out of his treasure new things and old. Jesus here according to Saint Thomas is speaking about the sacred teaching itself which Jesus was communicating to his followers which he also calls scribes. Why was he calling them scribes? Because they would be similar to the scribes of old, they would teach the Gospel instead of the old law. They can discuss the the kingdom of God and Sacred teaching, wherein things new and old are contained. "Behold I send you prophets, and wise men and scribes." Dan 12:10 They are also called scribes because they are Christ's secretaries. Jesus taught them in parables so they would see the fulfillment of the Old Law in the New. Thomas says according to Gregory, the old things refer to all those things which are attributed to sin, and the new to those things which are attributed to the grace of Christ and eternal life. (Taken from St Thomas' Commentary on Matthew) How on earth does this refer to "new things" that we have never heard of over the past 2000 years the Church has been preaching the Gospel? Francis is simply inventing new teaching. As we all know, Divine Revelation closed with the death of the last apostle. We can only delve deeper into the existing, perennial teaching that we have been given at the outset. So yes, it is enough to articulate our perennial faith to the world, because like God it is the same today and forever. Then Francis then drops one of his "new things" on us. He invents a new teaching out of thin air! Brace yourselves! I would like now to bring up a subject that ought to find in the Catechism of the Catholic Church a more adequate and coherent treatment in the light of these expressed aims. I am speaking of the death penalty. This issue cannot be reduced to a mere résumé of traditional teaching without taking into account not only the doctrine as it has developed in the teaching of recent Popes, but also the change in the awareness of the Christian people which rejects an attitude of complacency before a punishment deeply injurious of human dignity. It must be clearly stated that the death penalty is an inhumane measure that, regardless of how it is carried out, abases human dignity. It is per se contrary to the Gospel, because it entails the willful suppression of a human life that never ceases to be sacred in the eyes of its Creator and of which – ultimately – only God is the true judge and guarantor. So the "new thing" is now condemning 2000 years of Christian teaching which teaches that the death penalty is a legitimate form of punishment. What Francis is really saying is that the Church taught and upheld an act which was contrary to human dignity, contrary to the Gospel, and he is the one who is going to correct it. If it goes against the Gospel, then the Catholic Church has been teaching something contrary to the Gospel for 2000 years! We all know this is an impossibility. Better yet, he is calling Pope Pius XII and many other popes monsters who were promoting heinous acts against human dignity! His predecessors were promoting an act as being a legitimate form of punishment that was really contrary to the Gospel! Is Pope Pius XII so far removed from our advanced society that he did not realize this? If you think so I have ocean front property to sell you in Kansas. Do we see what this kind of thinking leads us? This is modernism at its finest! He is claiming that this is a development. Does he know the definition of development? Development means the teaching is the same, we just understand it more fully. Development is not that we overturn the teaching and then label it a development. Everyone who came before Francis was wrong, and he is right. This is the leitmotif of his papal occupation. Francis knows better than all the popes who came before him. Francis knows the "new things" that no one else ever knew! Almost sounds like the Gnostics no? As for me, the Church teaching is what it is. For now the Catechism teaches, "Assuming that the guilty party's identity and responsibility have been fully determined, the traditional teaching of the Church does not exclude recourse to the death penalty..." Guess what, if the act was contrary to the Gospel, this could never have been said in the Catechism! Lets translate this into modernistic Francis language everyone can understand, it should have said "the traditional teaching of the Church does not exclude recourse to the inhumane measures of the death penalty." I feel ashamed for anyone who falls for this "new thing." Do you think we are idiots? As you can tell I am a bit miffed at this whole debacle. Above: Pope Pius XII now according to Francis a monster who promoted inhumane acts against human dignity! Even in the case of the death penalty the State does not dispose of the individual’s right to life. Rather public authority limits itself to depriving the offender of the good of life in expiation for his guilt, after he, through his crime, deprived himself of his own right to life. (Pius XII, Address to the First International Congress of Histopathology of the Nervous System, 14 September 1952, XIV, 328) |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Pentecostal Church Verses The Catholic Church. by brocab(op): 10:23am On Feb 16, 2018*. Modified: 10:40pm On Feb 16, 2018 |
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/_INDEX.HTM Catholic knowledge. THE PROFESSION OF FAITH SECTION ONE "I BELIEVE" - "WE BELIEVE" We begin our profession of faith by saying: "I believe" or "We believe". Before expounding the Church's faith, as confessed in the Creed, celebrated in the liturgy and lived in observance of God's commandments and in prayer, we must first ask what "to believe" means. Faith is man's response to God, who reveals himself and gives himself to man, at the same time bringing man a superabundant light as he searches for the ultimate meaning of his life. Thus we shall consider first that search (Chapter One), then the divine Revelation by which God comes to meet man (Chapter Two), and finally the response of faith (Chapter Three). Bible knowledge When sharing the gospel, we should be careful what we say and how we say it. Even the word believe can be misleading if it is presented as mere intellectual assent (agreeing that certain facts are true) instead of as trust (relying on those true facts). Judas Iscariot believed certain facts about Jesus, but he never trusted Jesus for salvation. Salvation is not about believing a list of facts. Salvation is not about asking Jesus to come into your heart. Salvation is not even about asking God to forgive you. Salvation is about trusting in Jesus as your Savior, receiving the forgiveness He offers by grace through faith. Salvation is about being made new through the sacrifice of Jesus Christ and the power of the Holy Spirit (Titus 3:5). Jesus said: one must become Born again before he can enter into the kingdom of heaven.. Catholic teaching>To believe in Jesus Christ, the Son of God. For a Christian, believing in God cannot be separated from believing in the One he sent, his "beloved Son", in whom the Father is "well pleased"; God tells us to listen to him. The Lord himself said to his disciples: "Believe in God, believe also in me." We can believe in Jesus Christ because he is himself God, the Word made flesh: "No one has ever seen God; the only Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he has made him known. Because he "has seen the Father", Jesus Christ is the only one who knows him and can reveal him. To believe in the Holy Spirit. One cannot believe in Jesus Christ without sharing in his Spirit. It is the Holy Spirit who reveals to men who Jesus is. For "no one can say "Jesus is Lord", except by the Holy Spirit" who "searches everything, even the depths of God. No one comprehends the thoughts of God, except the Spirit of God." Only God knows God completely: we believe in the Holy Spirit because he is God. Bible>Judas Iscariot believed certain facts about Jesus, but he never trusted Jesus for salvation. {John 14:14-16} If you ask Me anything in My name, I will do it. If you love Me, you will keep My commandments. And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Advocate to be with you forever—… |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Pentecostal Church Verses The Catholic Church. by brocab(op): 9:46am On Feb 16, 2018*. Modified: 10:17am On Feb 16, 2018 |
Uben show me where you and 9 inches have taught me the doctrines-that are true? All I have received by you both is websites that doesn't hold any truth about bible literature. How long do you expect me to wait before you both actually give me something that's true.... I have read up what Catholic's believe on the sites you both have given me, and I have posted them on this site-and still you both can't agree with any of them. So why not puts your heads together and give me something you both know about your cultist religion. Ubenedictus:I never said your twisted words either-9 inches said: the bible isn't enough to know God.. Ubenedictus:I don't believe you Uben-I have asked this same question before hand, and I never received a come back from you-now all of a sudden you have found the courage to speak up-and now God speaks to you-how does God speak to you-If it isn't through Word only? I do know God can speak through donkeys-and He can speak out from a burning bush, and also His voice carries across the skies, I have never heard God speak through the traditions of men, not when these traditions don't line up with His Word. Uben I don't believe you have ever heard from God-you don't preach the same doctrine of God, lying against God is a sin, repent and cry out unto the Lord and ask for your forgiveness! The only thing that is established in your heart is a deceiving heart. Catholic's are the same, claiming to know God and walk as they never knew Him, you don't practice His commandments Uben-you lie against the Holy Spirit-If you were born again, you wouldn't turn your back on Christ and pray to His Mother.. Ubenedictus:I have no dealt either, I believe you and 9 inches do practice your Church traditions-more then you practice the Word of God.. Ubenedictus: |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Pentecostal Church Verses The Catholic Church. by brocab(op): 9:12am On Feb 16, 2018 |
The Church traces its origins to the Christian community founded in Antioch by people of the period known by a variety of names, including "Followers of the Way," and later recognized by the Apostles in Jerusalem and sent Barnabas to organize the new church (see Acts 11:19-25) (see Early centers of Christianity) was one of its leading members. It later became the Patriarchate of Antioch as one of the five major patriarchates – that is the Pentarchy – of the state church of the Roman Empire. According to Acts 11:19-26, the Christian community at Antioch began when Christians who were scattered from Jerusalem because of persecution fled to Antioch. They were joined by Christians from Cyprus and Cyrene who migrated to Antioch. It was in Antioch that the followers of Jesus were first referred to as Christians. A main point of interest, however, is connected with the progress of Christianity among the non-Jewish believers. Tradition holds that the first Gentile church was founded in Antioch, {Acts 11:20-21}where it is recorded that the disciples of Jesus Christ were first called Christians {Acts 11:19-26} It was from Antioch that St. Paul started on his missionary journeys.[1] In the dispersion of the original Church at Jerusalem, during the troubles ensuing on the bold action of Stephen, certain Cypriote and Cyrenaic Jews, who had been brought up in Greek communities and who had different perspectives on the world than the Palestinian Jews [citation needed], came to Antioch. There they made the "innovation" of addressing not merely Jews but also Greeks (see Godfearers for the historical background). We may understand here (1) that the words used imply successful preaching and the admission of Greeks to the Christian congregation, and (2) that such an innovation took place by slow degrees, and began in the synagogue, where Greek proselytes heard the word. [2] Antioch is intimately connected with the early history of the gospel. It was the great central point from where missionaries to the Gentiles were sent (presumably following the Great Commission). It was the birthplace of the famous Christian father Chrysostom, who died A.D. 407. [3] Nicolas the deacon of the Seven Deacons was a proselyte of Antioch. The Christians dispersed by Stephen's martyrdom preached at Antioch to idolatrous Greeks, not "Grecians" or Greek-speaking Jews, according to the Alexandrine manuscript {Acts 11:20-26} whence a church having been formed under Barnabas and Paul's care. From Antioch their charity was sent by the hands of Barnabas and Saul to the brethren at Jerusalem suffering in the famine. Paul began his ministry systematically here. At Antioch Judaizers from Jerusalem disturbed the church {Acts 15:1} Here Paul rebuked Peter for dissimulation (Gal 2:11-12, the Incident at Antioch). From Antioch Paul started on his first missionary journey {Acts 13:1-3} and returned to it {Acts 14:26} He began, after the Jerusalem decree, addressed to the Gentile converts at Antioch, and ended, his second missionary journey there {Acts 15:36,18:22-23} His third journey also began there. Ignatius was subsequently bishop there for forty years, down to his martyrdom A. D. 107.[5] The seat of the patriarchate was formerly Antioch, in what is now Turkey. However, in the 15th century, it was moved to Syria in response to the Ottoman invasion. Some Grecian "ancient synagogal" priestly rites and hymns have survived partially to the present, notably in the distinct church services of the Melkite and Greek Orthodox communities of the Hatay Province of Southern Turkey, Syria, Lebanon and Northern Israel. Members of these communities still call themselves Rûm which literally means "Eastern Roman" or Byzantine in Turkish, Persian and Arabic. The term "Rum" is used in preference to "Ionani" which means Greek or "Ionian" And later the Catholic Church made claims Christianity started with the Catholic's in Rome.... |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 9:36pm On Feb 15, 2018*. Modified: 1:07am On Feb 17, 2018 |
This is the Catholic sites you had given me, and now you are denying its fruits, you expect me to write something that isn't there-not in the sites you had given me-but what I did find in these sites-I have written them down, and again you have refused your own documents from these same sites you have given me. 9inches:I don't need to know why the Catholic's have their many faults nor how they prefer to bow down to idol's-what I need to know is what does the Bible say, and what does God say we should do? Is it right for you to bow down to nontraditional traditions, do you wash your hands, a special way as your fathers did. Paul preached the traditions he received from God. {John 14:14-16} If you ask Me anything in My name, I will do it. If you love Me, you will keep My commandments. And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Advocate to be with you forever. I would believe you-but the problem is you don't obey God's traditions of commandments-as well as you claim you do. 9inches: |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 12:43pm On Feb 15, 2018 |
http://catholicchampion..qa/2010/10/rationalism-vs-faith-protestantism-vs.html Pope Francis and Death Penalty Lets translate the current Catechism into modernistic Francis language everyone can understand, it should have said "the traditional teaching of the Church does not exclude recourse to the inhumane measures of the death penalty." Today pope Francis has announced his method of spreading confusion across the Church like wildfire. Francis communicates to us something that has never been a part of preaching the Gospel. He said, "It is not enough to find a new language in which to articulate our perennial faith; it is also urgent, in the light of the new challenges and prospects facing humanity, that the Church be able to express the “new things” of Christ’s Gospel, that, albeit present in the word of God, have not yet come to light. This is the treasury of “things old and new” of which Jesus spoke when he invited his disciples to teach the newness that he had brought, without forsaking the old (cf. Mt 13:52)." Francis has now invented his own Gospel. He says it is not enough to ensure we are preaching the perennial faith with sufficient language to meet our time, but that now we must express, "new things"! Now we are supposed to be finding things in the Word of God that we have never heard of? Did Jesus speak of this in Matthew 13:52? I think not. Lets look at the passage. He said unto them: Therefore every scribe instructed in the kingdom of heaven, is like to a man that is a householder, who bringeth forth out of his treasure new things and old. Jesus here according to Saint Thomas is speaking about the sacred teaching itself which Jesus was communicating to his followers which he also calls scribes. Why was he calling them scribes? Because they would be similar to the scribes of old, they would teach the Gospel instead of the old law. They can discuss the the kingdom of God and Sacred teaching, wherein things new and old are contained. "Behold I send you prophets, and wise men and scribes." Dan 12:10 They are also called scribes because they are Christ's secretaries. Jesus taught them in parables so they would see the fulfillment of the Old Law in the New. Thomas says according to Gregory, the old things refer to all those things which are attributed to sin, and the new to those things which are attributed to the grace of Christ and eternal life. (Taken from St Thomas' Commentary on Matthew) How on earth does this refer to "new things" that we have never heard of over the past 2000 years the Church has been preaching the Gospel? Francis is simply inventing new teaching. As we all know, Divine Revelation closed with the death of the last apostle. We can only delve deeper into the existing, perennial teaching that we have been given at the outset. So yes, it is enough to articulate our perennial faith to the world, because like God it is the same today and forever. Then Francis then drops one of his "new things" on us. He invents a new teaching out of thin air! Brace yourselves! I would like now to bring up a subject that ought to find in the Catechism of the Catholic Church a more adequate and coherent treatment in the light of these expressed aims. I am speaking of the death penalty. This issue cannot be reduced to a mere résumé of traditional teaching without taking into account not only the doctrine as it has developed in the teaching of recent Popes, but also the change in the awareness of the Christian people which rejects an attitude of complacency before a punishment deeply injurious of human dignity. It must be clearly stated that the death penalty is an inhumane measure that, regardless of how it is carried out, abases human dignity. It is per se contrary to the Gospel, because it entails the willful suppression of a human life that never ceases to be sacred in the eyes of its Creator and of which – ultimately – only God is the true judge and guarantor. So the "new thing" is now condemning 2000 years of Christian teaching which teaches that the death penalty is a legitimate form of punishment. What Francis is really saying is that the Church taught and upheld an act which was contrary to human dignity, contrary to the Gospel, and he is the one who is going to correct it. If it goes against the Gospel, then the Catholic Church has been teaching something contrary to the Gospel for 2000 years! We all know this is an impossibility. Better yet, he is calling Pope Pius XII and many other popes monsters who were promoting heinous acts against human dignity! His predecessors were promoting an act as being a legitimate form of punishment that was really contrary to the Gospel! Is Pope Pius XII so far removed from our advanced society that he did not realize this? If you think so I have ocean front property to sell you in Kansas. Do we see what this kind of thinking leads us? This is modernism at its finest! He is claiming that this is a development. Does he know the definition of development? Development means the teaching is the same, we just understand it more fully. Development is not that we overturn the teaching and then label it a development. Everyone who came before Francis was wrong, and he is right. This is the leitmotif of his papal occupation. Francis knows better than all the popes who came before him. Francis knows the "new things" that no one else ever knew! Almost sounds like the Gnostics no? As for me, the Church teaching is what it is. For now the Catechism teaches, "Assuming that the guilty party's identity and responsibility have been fully determined, the traditional teaching of the Church does not exclude recourse to the death penalty..." Guess what, if the act was contrary to the Gospel, this could never have been said in the Catechism! Lets translate this into modernistic Francis language everyone can understand, it should have said "the traditional teaching of the Church does not exclude recourse to the inhumane measures of the death penalty." I feel ashamed for anyone who falls for this "new thing." Do you think we are idiots? As you can tell I am a bit miffed at this whole debacle. Above: Pope Pius XII now according to Francis a monster who promoted inhumane acts against human dignity! Even in the case of the death penalty the State does not dispose of the individual’s right to life. Rather public authority limits itself to depriving the offender of the good of life in expiation for his guilt, after he, through his crime, deprived himself of his own right to life. (Pius XII, Address to the First International Congress of Histopathology of the Nervous System, 14 September 1952, XIV, 328) |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 12:14pm On Feb 15, 2018 |
I can see-I have finally answered your 3 questions correctly, Well done good and faithful servant, this is where 9 inches pats brocab on the back for given such great 3 answers. I am enjoying this, you keep on asking, and I will keep on writing, either way, how you see it, all not. But either way the truth is always out there to be found-and as long as you keep on asking me, to fill in your missing puzzle's I am always here to help.. 9inches:Catholics believe that Mary appeared to St. Dominic in 1208 AD, at the church of Prouille and revealed the Rosary Beads to him. Roman Catholics are taught the virgin Mary never had sex after Jesus was born and that Jesus had no brothers and sisters. 9inches:Catholics believe that truth is found in the Bible, as interpreted by the Catholic church only, but also found in Catholic church tradition. Catholics give honor to statues and images as symbolic of the individual saints. 9inches:{Matthew 6:7} "And when you are praying, do not use meaningless repetition as the Gentiles do, for they suppose that they will be heard for their many words. Roman Catholics are taught the virgin Mary never had sex after Jesus was born and that Jesus had no brothers and sisters. The Pope teaches that Mary is the mediator between God and man. Catholics also engage in more praising of Mary than Jesus Christ himself and actually pray to her to have their prayers answered. Rosary Beads graphically represent how Roman Catholics heap 10 times more praise upon Mary than God himself. Of the 59 total beads of the Rosary, 53 beads are "Hail Marys", but only 6 beads are "Our Father". The Rosary most often ends with a "Hail, Holy Queen" prayer to Mary, not God. But whom do we believe/the Catholic's/or do we believe the Word of God? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 11:51am On Feb 15, 2018*. Modified: 12:35pm On Feb 15, 2018 |
Is this you final answer-this is what you have finally come up with-why do the Catholic's always turn to this sort of rubbish-it took One man to save the world-but it wasn't this unbelieving so called protestant man, he was never a protestant-he's Catholic, like most Catholic's that never read their bibles-this man is a lazy believer-Just like you-he doesn't believe-he didn't know God, he was brought up as a another bum sitting in Church.. Why try to give me this kind of rubbish-This man wasn't a born again believer-this man's Catholic, he never knew Christ from the beginning, visa versa. Believers don't turn their backs on Christ, and if this man was ever a protestant-someone else wrote this rubbish-and planted a photo of this man-maybe he is a priest-true protestant believers don't lie against the Holy spirit-they don't turn their backs against Christ, if not this man, someone is lying-and allow me to guess who that will be. 9inches: |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 11:02pm On Feb 14, 2018 |
I am so glad you believe me-because the world believes me too-and I believe Jesus believes me, because I believe-your doctrine does not stand concerning the Word of God. 9inches: |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 9:59pm On Feb 14, 2018*. Modified: 10:52pm On Feb 14, 2018 |
I am enjoying this, you keep on asking, and I will keep on writing, either way, how you see it, all not. But either way the truth is always out there to be found-and as long as you keep on asking me, to fill in your missing puzzle's I am always here to help.. 9inches:Catholics believe that Mary appeared to St. Dominic in 1208 AD, at the church of Prouille and revealed the Rosary Beads to him. Roman Catholics are taught the virgin Mary never had sex after Jesus was born and that Jesus had no brothers and sisters. 9inches:Catholics believe that truth is found in the Bible, as interpreted by the Catholic church only, but also found in Catholic church tradition. Catholics give honor to statues and images as symbolic of the individual saints. 9inches:{Matthew 6:7} "And when you are praying, do not use meaningless repetition as the Gentiles do, for they suppose that they will be heard for their many words. Roman Catholics are taught the virgin Mary never had sex after Jesus was born and that Jesus had no brothers and sisters. The Pope teaches that Mary is the mediator between God and man. Catholics also engage in more praising of Mary than Jesus Christ himself and actually pray to her to have their prayers answered. Rosary Beads graphically represent how Roman Catholics heap 10 times more praise upon Mary than God himself. Of the 59 total beads of the Rosary, 53 beads are "Hail Marys", but only 6 beads are "Our Father". The Rosary most often ends with a "Hail, Holy Queen" prayer to Mary, not God. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Pentecostal Church Verses The Catholic Church. by brocab(op): 9:42pm On Feb 14, 2018 |
In which way would you prefer is the best way I should be searching? I do see-and I can read what your Church claims you are taught-you claim you are bible teaching students, 9 inches claims the bible isn't enough to know Christ. So which is it? You could be one person out of the billions of Catholic's there is on this planet, that actually believes in Catholic teaching, you could be that only person who obeys their every command-and you could know the bible upside down, but the truth is-your belief's are not spirit filled teachings, just like 9 inches a born Church believer, he/she had never heard from God, and every time I have asked this same question, none of you-have heard a whisper of the Holy spirit that teaches us through the Word of God. You can only see me picking on your Church-but you can't see me, learning, since I have been around on this forum I have been learning about the differences we all have, and how, it is important to walk with God-know God, and why? So it isn't condemning it's a sole interest-to know how the bible describes the world and its end time prophesies, sadly to you, but in righteous, the New World Order Church is falling into place, just the way Christ had said it will happen. Ubenedictus: |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 9:01pm On Feb 13, 2018*. Modified: 9:34pm On Feb 13, 2018 |
To be honest I haven't been trying-and the sites you have shared with me-really doesn't make a difference-every time I have search for Catholic sites, there's always some news that go's against it, nothing good come's out of the Catholic Church-nothing to be so highly proud of anyway, you are a faithful believer in the Catholic Church, I have shared the Word of God to you, and still you have refused it with a passion, but that is your choice. "Just talking about official teaching of the Church' isn't the problem, what is, none of you practice it, nor do you truly believe it. Anybody can claim they are christian-Jesus said: by their fruit we will know them, and if you practiced such bible teachings as you say the Church obeys, then I suppose we wouldn't hear of the many stories of wrongs that happens in the Catholic Church, back in the past and still today, and with no justice served-the Church turns a blind eye-leaving their victims standing alone-without a trial against the perpetrator, a priest who forced themselves upon a innocent Child, and still have the expectancy to be called a priest your father after he had broken all the rules. Or had he broken the rules? Of course we don't know about the hidden agenda's of the secret society, with these hidden teachings? If you were to believe the teachings of the Catholic Church, as you say you do, than you must fellowship with these monsters, but if you said to me, you believed in the written Word of God-then with evidence it would prove God had separated you, taken you out from a murderous Church that have caused crimes against God and humanity. "And plus you haven't shared nothing about anything."But as we can see-your fruit tells the story. News travel's-but the problem is, you bow down to your Church as if it were made of previous Jewel's, you haven't given anything that is positive, nothing to help me to understand, that God had removed you out from the flock, and Christ is actually working in your life. You would like me to think how great your Church stands above all man kind-and you want us to believe how faithful you are towards the Catholic Church, but the fact is, where is Jesus's name-and whereabouts does He stand in the building you believe will save the world. 9inches: |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 8:08am On Feb 13, 2018 |
God And His Creation Jesus Christ Basic Doctrine Reflections and Prayers Excerpts from Church Documents God Became Man: The Incarnation Christ Died for Us: The Redemption Christ Rose From the Dead: The Resurrection Christ Returned to His Father: The Ascension The Holy Spirit Mary, The Mother of Jesus ? Basic Doctrine Reflections and Prayers ? Excerpts from Church Documents ? Overview of Church Teaching ? Individual Doctrines Explained ? Español Apologetics Devotion ? Excerpts from Church Documents The Catholic Church The Papacy ? Basic Doctrine ? Apologetics Reflections Excerpts from Church Documents ? Saint Peter Basic Catholic Teaching on St. Peter and the Papacy ? Apologetics Reflections The Holy Eucharist The Last Things Basic Doctrine Mass and Communion ? Eucharist in Scripture Eucharistic Devotion Excerpts from Church Documents Death Judgement The Resurrection of the Body Heaven Hell Purgatory ? 9inches: |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 7:59am On Feb 13, 2018 |
This is how the world see's the Catholic Church-I have read some things you have given me-and you may believe the Church stands by these issues, but you need to understand people can't accept it, while there's is so much evil. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-A1o1Egi20c |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 7:42am On Feb 13, 2018 |
You mean this is what you teach-and you expect us to believe the Catholic's actually believe this? And thanks for your site, because this is what the Catholic's say they believe, but in the hearts of many-the opposite to this, is what many of them truly believe. D. Sexual Sterilization. E. Eugenics. F. Homosexuality. 1. The homosexual orientation is intrinsically disordered. It is a well known fact the priest molest boys.. 2. No Bishop or priest may in any way support pro-homosexual organizations that call themselves "Catholic." {Matthew 18:6} "If anyone causes one of these little ones--those who believe in me--to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea. So why do priest claim they are Catholic still, after they had coursed one of these little ones to stubble? G. Other Matters Concerning Sexual Morality. 1. Cohabitation ("shacking up"  is entirely contrary to God's law and can never be justified.When did the Catholic Church ever agreed on God's law, the Vatican and all those who swear by it, are guilty of these Crimes against humanity. 2. Masturbation ("self-abuse" is an intrinsically disordered act.{Corinthians 7:9}But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion. If the Vatican of priest had done the above-and kept their hands to themselves-how many in the worlds population, would be with Christ now saved. 3. Respect for the dignity of the human being excludes all experimental manipulation or exploitation of the human embryo. Respect and dignity, come-on who are you trying to fool? Further Reading is Required. It must be noted that the excerpts quoted in this chapter focus narrowly on what kinds of sexual behavior are and are not considered licit by the Catholic Church. As such, they are most suited for use in debates to rebut statements by dissidents or those who are ignorant of Church teachings and who are attempting to give the impression that the Church is more "diverse" in its instruction on sexual morality than it really is. In order to comprehend the beauty, richness, and wisdom of the quoted Church documents, it is necessary for the reader to take the time to sit down, read them, and contemplate their messages, and beware of the false literature the Catholic's try and teach the world about whom their true god really is.. Eyewitnesses Testify: Pope Francis Raped and Killed Children; Sealed Vatican Documents Expose Their Satanic Rituals Last month I was reporting that Pope Francis, the Jesuits and the Church of England will be prosecuted for child trafficking and genocide. The Queen of England was already found guilty by a previous trial. Here is how the trial is unfolding: This article was based on today's exclusive interview with Kevin Annett of the International Tribunal into Crimes of Church and State on this week's litigation in the Brussels Common Law Court of Justice. 1 Five judges and 27 jury members from six countries including the USA, considered evidence on over 50,000 missing Canadian, US, Argentine and European children who were suspected victims of an international child sacrificial cult referred to as the Ninth Circle. Two adolescent women claimed that Pope Francis raped them while participating in child sacrifices. Eight eyewitnesses confirmed the allegations according to evidence presented this week at a Brussels Common Law Court of Justice. The Ninth Circle Satanic child sacrifice rituals were said to take place during the Springs of 2009 and 2010 in rural Holland and Belgium. Pope Francis was also a perpetrator in satanic child sacrifice rites while acting as an Argentine priest and Bishop according to records obtained from the Vatican archives. A prominent Vatican official and former Vatican Curia employee obtained the sealed documents for use by the court. This was not the first time satanic activities were suspected to be at the Vatican according to this ABC news story. (2) Another witness was set to testify that they were present during Pope Francis' meetings with the military Junta during Argentine's 1970's Dirty War. According to the witness, Pope Francis helped traffic children of missing political prisoners into an international child exploitation ring run by an office at the Vatican. Evidence of a Catholic Jesuit Order document called the “Magisterial Privilege" was presented in court by the Chief Prosecutor. The record dated Dec. 25 1967 was said to show that every new Pope was required to participate in Ninth Circle Satanic ritual sacrifices of newborn children, including drinking their blood. http://humansarefree.com But when the world keeps on repeating the same old stories, time and time again, someone should investigate. 9inches: |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 6:43am On Feb 13, 2018 |
I suppose I can't read anything you have written either, maybe because you haven't written it yet.. I know you find the bible-a little hard for you to read-but hey, I have asked you to prove some facts about the Catholic Church, and still nothing. 9inches: |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 3:13am On Feb 12, 2018*. Modified: 3:38am On Feb 12, 2018 |
If this is the main issue then write it down? Prove number 2 has all the answers? 9inches:Of course you haven't yet explained about number 1-2-3, not even a whisper about where you are heading with 1-2-3 you just expect me to come up with answers that don't exist, If you expect me to believe in your doctrine. than back it up, which you have failed to do, Catholic's have never changed, at least prove your theories, not one of you have come up with the answers to back up your questions, this is surely a backward mindset.. I found the Catholic Church in Revelation. {Revelation 2:12} “And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write, 'These things says He who has the sharp two-edged sword: “I know your works, and where you dwell, where Satan’s throne is. And you hold fast to My name, and did not deny My faith even in the days in which Antipas was My faithful martyr, who was killed among you, where Satan dwells. But I have a few things against you, because you have there those who hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balak to put a stumbling block before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed to idols, and to commit sexual immorality. Thus you also have those who hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate. Repent, or else I will come to you quickly and will fight against them with the sword of My mouth. Nicolaitans means a system run by evangelists, elders, bishops, popes, rabbis, priests and modern day prophets that have forced its people (members) to submit to their dominion (rulership)”. Here we see religious leaders ruling over its members' the members have to do what they tell you to do. That is, they have dominion over your faith. They tell you what you need to believe, what instructions to follow and not to follow from the scriptures. This is truly a positive reconfirmation statement, especially concerning the Catholic Church.. 9inches: |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 2:24am On Feb 12, 2018 |
Does this mean you don't the answer? 9inches: |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 1:51am On Feb 12, 2018*. Modified: 2:20am On Feb 12, 2018 |
The Beloved Disciple and His Book, this is way of track but I would like to say, it just shows why the bible was written, and how necessarily it was to spread the gospel of Christ.. {John 21:20-25} {20] Then Peter, turning around, saw the disciple whom Jesus loved following, who also had leaned on His breast at the supper, and said, “Lord, who is the one who betrays You?” {21} Peter, seeing him, said to Jesus, “But Lord, what about this man?” {22} Jesus said to him, “If I will that he remain till I come, what is that to you? You follow Me.” {23} Then this saying went out among the brethren that this disciple would not die. Yet Jesus did not say to him that he would not die, but, “If I will that he remain till I come, what is that to you?” {24} This is the disciple who testifies of these things, and wrote these things; and we know that his testimony is true. {25} And there are also many other things that Jesus did, which if they were written one by one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that would be written. Amen. But of course the Catholic Church have always claimed they hold all these missing secrets, the unknown miracles that Jesus done, and of course just by word of mouth no-one had written anything down for safe keeping, but from priest to priest you have always kept these hidden secrets throughout the centuries, without twisting nor turning the missing links, just the same way, the disciple, have said them at the beginning, the Catholic Church had remembered them word for word-just as Peter had told them? And since the Word of God isn't just written in the bible, then it must be only in the minds of the true priesthood believers, and the Holy Spirit wasn't needed as planned by God to teach us all things.. "Plus since I came up with the rightful answer for "number 3" then at least with flying colours you finish it with evidence this actually does exist, and where in scripture does it apply to bible knowledge, everything the Holy spirit revealed to the disciples it was written down. 9inches: |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 3:23pm On Feb 11, 2018*. Modified: 3:41pm On Feb 11, 2018 |
I found this-What does it mean to be a woman today? Is there a one-size-fits-all answer? How can a woman be truly Catholic and truly feminine, hard-working and creative, and yet be at peace within? How does she nurture life at home, at school, on the job or in the culture? In this profound yet practical guide, Genevieve Kineke invites women to consider the Church, the Bride of Christ, as the model for authentic Catholic womanhood. "The mission of women is inscribed in the mystery of the Church," Pope John Paul II said. The author explores facets of this mystery—the Church as mother, bride, spouse and teacher, as sacramental, as font of wisdom, source of culture, and life-giving sanctuary—and reveals how women mirror the Church in their core identity. Faithful to this authentic identity, women will play a critical role in rebuilding a civilization of love and life. And I suppose these are the super women the Catholic Church expects them to be women without the Spirit of the Lord, who can do the impossible in the flesh-I suppose these are the women who also carry the mark of their God, on their right hand and on their foreheads. 9inches: |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 3:11pm On Feb 11, 2018 |
Here we go again-to much winching, not enough evidence..Again you are expecting me to come up with Catholic knowledge, question are you having trouble finding any truth-matter of fact do you own a bible? I have found what I needed to answer your questionnaire, show me where I went wrong-or even better maybe you should give me the answers-only if you know them of course.. And who said I wanted to be a student-I learn from the Lord-the bible is my tools of wisdom and knowledge. 1 2 3 were answered with flying colours-maybe you should be the student and ask the Lord to spell "bible" out for you.. 9inches: |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 2:58pm On Feb 11, 2018 |
Now it is my ages fault now-you have asked me to back up my theories, and I do as a crime against humanity of the Catholic Church, and still you have disagreed with Catholic knowledge. Listen' I don't really know if you could ever understand what I am about to say: but you expect me to throw down my arms, and go against Christ, because you would like me to believe something that the Catholic resources had written about themselves. I have searched the net, and I have spent some hours lying down my find-just to be abused by you-what happened to the brotherly love, the story is I don't believe you know anything about your religion you claim to be involved in. You have asked me questions and I have come up with the answers, I don't really care if you disagree with them or not, all I have done was search the net, and wrote down your every command-while you in the other hand haven't come up with none, that proves these theories are either true or false. How do you expect me to learn if you aren't willing to come up with any evidence, I have given you heaps of information that proves the Catholic Church is teaching a false doctrine. And still you can't back this theory up with any evidence to prove otherwise-or I receive from you is complaints that not even you know what you are complaining about. I believe I know more about the Catholic Church then you do, I believe anybody that's searching for truth, will find it.. 9inches: |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 2:41am On Feb 11, 2018 |
So I failed number 2-and then I gained 2 as the right answer, number 1 past with flying colours-now it's number 3. Just looking at number 1 and number 2, this should bring to light the truth about the Catholic Church, if you had failed two commandment, you have failed them all. You expect me to search through the Catholic site, but yet when I have found things in the catholic sites you have disagreed with me, it seems not even the Catholic's agree with you.. Catholics believe that Peter is the foundation of the church. Christ is the foundation: {1 Cor 3:11} Number 3> Catholics are taught that only the priests can understand the Bible and the common man cannot; But the scriptures say that when anyone reads they can understand, {Eph 3:4, Romans 15:4} Catholics will not personally defend their faith from the Bible but will instead refer to what the priest teaches. Yet every Christian must be able to defend the faith themselves: {1 Peter 3:15} Why do Catholics Oppose Bible? The reason Catholics oppose the Bible is because it opposes them. Following is a list of twenty two passages which condemn various teachings and practices of the Catholic Church. 1. Ex. 20:4 5 (Images) 2. Ezek. 18:20 (Original sin) 3. Matt. 20:20 28 (Hierarchy) 4. Matt. 23:5 6 (Clerical dress) 5. Matt. 23:9 ("Father" 6. Matt. 26:28 (Withholding cup) 7. Matt. 28:19 (Infant baptism) 8. Mark 7:8, 13 (Tradition) 9. Luke 11:27 28 (Adoration of Mary) 10. Luke 16:26 (Purgatory) 11. Luke 22:24 27 (Primacy of Peter) 12. Rom. 6:4 (Pouring) 13. I Cor. 1:2 ("Saints" 14. Gal. 4:9 11 (Special days) 15. 11 Thess. 2:4 (Pope has place of God) 16. I Tim. 2:5 (Many Mediators) 17. I Tim. 3:2 (Unmarried bishops) 18. I Tim. 4:3 (Forbid marriage) 19. 11 Tim. 3:16 17 (Many authorities) 20. Heb. 8:12 (Indulgence) 21. James 5:16 (Confess to priest) 22. I Pet. 2:5, 9 ("Priesthood" No religious institution on earth has as much to fear about its members reading the Bible as the Catholic Church' When Catholics study the Bible they learn that in order to please God, they must discard the many false doctrines which their church has accumulated over the centuries. Following is an excerpt from an address given by the Cardinals to Pope Pius III, and is preserved in the National Library of Paris, Folio No. 1068, Vol. 2, pp. 650 651: "Of all the advice that we can offer your holiness we must open your eyes well and use all possible force in the matter, namely to permit the reading of the gospel as little as possible in all the countries under your jurisdiction. Let the very little part of the gospel suffice which is usually read in mass, and let no one be permitted to read more. So long as people will be content with the small amount, your interest will prosper; but as soon as the people want to read more, your interest will fail. The Bible is a book, which more than any other, has raised against us the tumults and tempests by which we have almost perished. In fact, if one compares the teaching of the Bible with what takes place in our churches, he will soon find discord, and will realize that our teachings are often different from the Bible, and oftener still, contrary to it." 9inches: |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 2:28am On Feb 11, 2018 |
I only know what History tells me who and what the Catholic Church is, and through interpretation I find my answers, I am not asking you to like the things I have written down, I don't expect you to agree on such true evidence, how the world understands the Catholic Church, and how the Catholic Church shows themselves to the world. It's your choice-I have come to you in love-you don't know Him, nor does He know you, I plead with you in love-cry out unto the Lord and repent and turn from your sinful ways. If you disagree then you should be worrying-the time has began, it's coming to pass-when Christ returns. You have no idea whom you worship-and your doctrine doesn't belong to Christ, you will burn in hell for eternity, and no-one will be able to pay indulgence nor purgatory monies to bail you out of your prison you have created for yourself. 9inches: |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 2:11am On Feb 11, 2018 |
Try this for size this is where the Catholic Church came from, I got these verses from the bible, and it proves the Pharisees back then are the priest in today's Catholic Church.. {John 11:45-54} Things Jesus did, believed in Him. 46 But some of them went away to the Pharisees and told them the things Jesus did. 47 Then the chief priests and the Pharisees gathered a council and said, “What shall we do? For this Man works many signs. 48 If we let Him alone like this, everyone will believe in Him, and the Romans will come and take away both our place and nation.”[color=#000099] {Other words-the Catholic Church came out of Rome} 49 And one of them,[/color] Caiaphas, being high priest that year, said to them, “You know nothing at all, 50 nor do you consider that it is expedient for us that one man should die for the people, and not that the whole nation should perish.” 51 Now this he did not say on his own authority; but being high priest that year he prophesied that Jesus would die for the nation, 52 and not for that nation only, but also that He would gather together in one the children of God who were scattered abroad. 53 Then, from that day on, they plotted to put Him to death. 54 Therefore Jesus no longer walked openly among the Jews, but went from there into the country near the wilderness, to a city called Ephraim, and there remained with His disciples. 9inches: |
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