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Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 10:48pm On Feb 09, 2018

As I had said: as long it is the Word of God you are teaching, I am all ears, but as usual you are buffing your away out from the Word of God once again.
Plus how many times have I have asked many questions from liars-people who don't use the Word God as their back up tool, but interpret their own brainwashed teachings, and since we have written to each other, I am still waiting for your knowledge, Question:where about's is it written in the bible that you truly believe?
It seems you have only mentioned what you have been taught through the Catholic Church, how you believe, I am still waiting to receive the correct answers from somebody, I search and I study and I find my evidence through history, and usually I then end up reading the interpretations, about my search, so if you are not prepared to answer the truth, then I will find my answers elsewhere.

9inches:
Like I said, if you are willing to learn. Students don't set rules on how their teachers teach them. A good student pays attention to the teacher and asks questions if need be.

Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 10:10pm On Feb 09, 2018*

My second time explaining these same verses-maybe you are looking for the wrong answers, and not the truth.

9inches:
1. Mention any Catholic doctrine you think contradicts the Scripture

9inches:
2. State or quote the exact interpretation of that doctrine from an authentic Catholic source (what does the Church teach about this?)

Catholics try to prove the infallibility of the Catholic Church by stating that the Catholic Church is the infallible interpreter of the Bible. Their claim makes the church equal, if not superior, to the Bible and is another of their efforts to present the Catholic Church as an authority in religion instead of the Bible only. Please notice the following from Catholic sources:
"To make it in any sense an infallible revelation, or in other words a revelation at all to us, we need a power to interpret the testament that shall have equal authority with that testament itself." (The Question Box, p. 95)
"An infallible Bible is no use without an infallible interpreter..." (My Catholic Faith, p. 145).
"The Scriptures can never serve as a complete Rule of Faith and a complete guide to heaven independently of an authorized, living interpreter." (The Faith of Our Fathers, p. 68).
"The Church is the only divinely constituted teacher of Revelation. Now, the Scripture is the great depository of the Word of God. Therefore, the Church is the divinely appointed Custodian and Interpreter of the Bible. For, her office of infallible Guide were superfluous if each individual could interpret the Bible for himself...God never intended the Bible to be the Christians' rule of faith independently of the living authority of the Church." (Ibid., p. 77).
There are no passages in the Bible which state that Christ made His church the infallible interpreter of His Word. There are none that mention an infallible interpreter and none that hint or remotely imply that Christ wanted one. How, then, do the Catholic officials go about proving their tremendous claims? First they try to do so by implying that the Bible cannot be understood. Notice the following:
"For the Scripture is not like other books, dictated by the Holy Ghost, it contains things of deepest importance, which in many instances are very difficult and obscure. To understand and explain such things there is always required the coming of the same Holy Ghost." (The Great encyclical Letters of Leo XII, p. 227).
"We must, therefore, conclude that the Scriptures alone cannot be a sufficient guide and rule of faith...because they are not of themselves clear and intelligible even in matters of the highest importance..." (The Faith of Our Fathers, p. 73).
"Is it possible to misunderstand the Bible? Yes, even the Bible itself says so. 'In these epistles there are certain things difficult to understand, which the unlearned and the unstable distort, just as they do the rest of the Scriptures also, to their own destruction' (2nd Peter 3:16)." (A Catechism for Adults, p. 10)
Catholic officials follow up this claim by stating that one can get the true meaning only from the Catholic Church. As we said before, the Catholics have no passages which mention an official interpreter and, thus, they try to support their claim through human logic and reasoning. Anytime men do such, it amounts to nothing more than human philosophy rather than Scriptural proof. The Bible says, "Let God be true, but every man a liar..." (Rom. 3:4)
It also warns, "See to it that no one deceives you by philosophy and vain deceit, according to human traditions, according to the elements of the world and not according to Christ." (Col. 2: cool

The inspired writers taught that we most certainly can understand the Scriptures. "For we write nothing to you that you do not read and understand." (2 Cor. 1:13) "Therefore do not become foolish, but understand what the will of the Lord is." (Eph. 5:17)

9inches:
3. State where and how that Catholic doctrine contradicts the Scripture.

FACT: Catholics pray repetitive words with Rosary Beads that were first invented in 1090 AD, by "Peter the Hermit" and made popular by St. Dominic in 1208 AD. Catholics believe that Mary appeared to St. Dominic in 1208 AD, at the church of Prouille and revealed the Rosary Beads to him. From this time, Catholics prayed 15 sets of 10 consecutive "hail Marys" in a row (150 times), in the Rosary. However, in 2003 AD, Pope John Paul added a new set of Mysteries, so now it is 20 sets of 10 "Hail Marys", (200 times in the Rosary, in total.) Catholics will vainly appeal to Psalm 136 that alternates the same phrase 26 times with 26 different blessings God gives us. It is not 26 in a row as with the rosary! This is also a song, not a prayer. {Revelation 4:8} has "angels singing" not "men praying".One of the great wonders of the world to me is how anyone could claim to be a Catholic and still believe the Bible is God's Word. Even the Catholic Douay version of the Bible condemns the Catholic faith repeatedly.
The honest truth is that Catholics have been brainwashed to accept the traditional teachings of the Vatican as superior to whatever the Word of God actually says.
Jesus plainly condemned placing the traditions of religion over the Word of God (Mark 7:6-13, Psalm 118:8 ) admonishes, "It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man." I'll give you several examples of how the Catholic religion contradicts the Bible, placing man's tradition over God's Word.
Bowing to Mary is Idolatry!
There is absolutely NOTHING in the Bible leading Christians to recognize Mary, adore Mary, or talk to Mary. Although most Catholics deny worshipping Mary, a picture is worth 1,000 words.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6vl1n__bbY
Pope John Paul II adoring Our Lady of Fatima, are clear irrefutable evidences of idolatry. Look up the word "worship" in any dictionary and you'll find that Catholics do indeed WORSHIP Mary and other hordes of dead saints. Those who want to fellowship with the Roman Catholic Church and accept it as a true "church" are ignoring its blasphemous teachings concerning Mary.
The Catholic religion is straight out of the pits of Hell!
"Confounded be all they that serve graven images, that boast themselves of idols" {Psalm 97:7}
The Vatican II Council and the New Catholic Catechism reaffirmed that Mary is the sinless Mother of God, that she ascended bodily to Glory (i.e., the Assumption of Mary) and was crowned as the Queen of Heaven, that she can hear and answer prayer.
Of course, no such teachings are found ANYWHERE in the Bible. Mary is NOT the queen of heaven, she did NOT ascend bodily, and Mary certainly is NOT sinless! The mother of Jesus was a sinner!
Where in the world did anyone ever get the twisted idea that Mary was sinless? No such teaching is taught in the Word of God. The Bible is clear in {Romans 3:23}... "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God." That includes Mary! The ONLY sinless being who ever walked this earth was the Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ (2nd Corinthians 5:21; Hebrews 4:15)
{Exodus 20:4,5}"Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God
In state of all this, if the traditions were verbally said among the apostles, it would have been written in the bible, but as strange as it seems none of what the Catholic Church believes men should do, isn't mentioned..

9inches:
I admire how you are making things up in your imagination. Attributing to me statements I did not make only to counter the statements thinking you countered my own statements.
I posed you a challenge:

1. Mention any Catholic doctrine you think contradicts the Scripture
2. State or quote the exact interpretation of that doctrine from an authentic Catholic source (what does the Church teach about this?)
3. State where and how that doctrine contradicts the Scripture.

Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 12:31am On Feb 09, 2018

It is not an insult-you only see it this way, why? because you know you yourself don't preach the Word of God, so in your own eye's anybody that preachers the Word of God in this day and age is an insult to you. And if Paul was watching over us, he will be in his joying moment knowing what he had preached about Christ, had spread across the nations.
We have great preaches that preach the Word of God-preaches that stands up on the pulpit speaking to thousands of believers daily, and we have believers that love the Lord so much they can't wait unto Sunday to talk about Him, they talk about Christ everyday.
We have believers, that obey the commandments of God ones that have fellowship with God all year round, believers that worship God, and talk with God 365 days per year.
Which of course this draws us closer to God-we search the scriptures daily we seek after His teaching, we find preachers that spreads the Word of God across the nations, we learn and we listen to every Word-Christians finding Christians who love God with all their heart soul and mind and strength, Christians who have a passion to love their neighbours as themselves.
This is the Word of God-Love one another...
Plus you won't know what Paul Washer preachers until you here him out-you are only guessing what he preaches, try listening one time in your life, spread those wings of yours and know the truth in your heart.

9inches:
It's insult to the Apostle Paul to equate Washer to him. They do not believe and preach the same message. Paul Washer preaches Martin Luther doctrine which is different from what Paul the Apostle preached.

Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 12:09am On Feb 09, 2018

We are not yoked together brother.As you can see we are learning.

Saintdaprince:
To cut the long story short, kindly marry from your church. If you two do not believe in the same church doctrines, problems concerning worship and religion will raise its ugly head.

Don't be unequally yoked with an unbeliever.

Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 12:07am On Feb 09, 2018

I am only seeking after the Word of God. All scriptures nothing else..

9inches:
Only if you are willing to learn.

Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 10:45pm On Feb 07, 2018

9 inches-well after searching the net I found this about your most favorable Martin Luther-why he believes the importance of the written Word of God, is planted in the believers in Christ. Which of course you don't believe-only because the Catholic Church have one over you, with great flying colours.
One of the great rediscoveries of the Reformation — especially of Martin Luther — was that the word of God comes to us in a form of a Book. In other words, Luther grasped this powerful fact: God preserves the experience of salvation and holiness from generation to generation by means of a Book of revelation, not a bishop in Rome, and not the ecstasies of Thomas Muenzer and the Zwickau prophets.
The word of God comes to us in a Book. That rediscovery shaped Luther and the Reformation.
One of Luther’s arch-opponents in the Roman Church, Sylvester Prierias, wrote in response to Luther’s 95 theses:
He who does not accept the doctrine of the Church of Rome and pontiff of Rome as an infallible rule of faith, from which the Holy Scriptures, too, draw their strength and authority, is a heretic.
In other words, the Church and the pope are the authoritative deposit of salvation and the word of God; and the book is derivative and secondary. “What is new in Luther,” Heiko Oberman says, “is the notion of absolute obedience to the Scriptures against any authorities; be they popes or councils” (193).
In other words, the saving, sanctifying, authoritative word of God comes to us in a Book. The implications of this simple observation are tremendous.
Luther Discovers the Book
In 1539, commenting on Psalm 119, Luther wrote, “In this psalm David always says that he will speak, think, talk, hear, read, day and night constantly — but about nothing else than God’s Word and Commandments. For God wants to give you His Spirit only through the external Word” (1359).
This phrase is extremely important. The “external Word” is the Book. And the saving, sanctifying, illuminating Spirit of God, he says, comes to us through this “external Word.”
Luther calls it the “external Word” to emphasize that it is objective, fixed, outside ourselves, and therefore unchanging. It is a Book. Neither ecclesiastical hierarchy nor fanatical ecstasy can replace it or shape it.
It is “external,” like God. You can take or leave it. But you can’t make it other than what it is. It is a book with fixed letters and words and sentences.
And Luther said with resounding forcefulness in 1545, the year before he died, “Let the man who would hear God speak, read Holy Scripture” (62). Earlier he had said in his lectures on Genesis, “The Holy Spirit himself and God, the Creator of all things, is the Author of this book” (62).
Wrestle with the Book
One of the implications of the fact that the word of God comes to us in a book is that the theme of this conference is “The Pastor and His Study,” not “The Pastor and His Seance,” or “The Pastor and His Intuition,” or “The Pastor and His Religious Multi-Perspectivalism.” The word of God that saves and sanctifies, from generation to generation, is preserved in a Book.
And therefore, at the heart of every pastor’s work is book-work. Call it reading, meditation, reflection, cogitation, study, exegesis, or whatever you will — a large and central part of our work is to wrestle God’s meaning from a Book, and proclaim it in the power of the Holy Spirit.
Luther knew, that some would stumble over the sheer conservatism of this simple, unchangeable fact. God’s word is fixed in a book. He knew then, as we know today, that many say this assertion nullifies or minimizes the crucial role of the Holy Spirit in giving life and light.
Luther would, I think, say, “Yes, that might happen.” One might argue that emphasizing the brightness of the sun nullifies the surgeon who takes away blindness. But most people would not agree with that. Certainly not Luther.
He said in 1520, “Be assured that no one will make a doctor of the Holy Scripture save only the Holy Ghost from heaven” (1355). Luther was a great lover of the Holy Spirit. And his exaltation of the Book as the “external Word” did not belittle the Spirit. On the contrary, it elevated the Spirit’s great gift to Christendom. In 1533 he said, “The Word of God is the greatest, most necessary, and most important thing in Christendom” (913).
Without the “external Word,” we would not know one spirit from the other, and the objective personality of the Holy Spirit himself would be lost in a blur of subjective expressions. Cherishing the Book implied to Luther that the Holy Spirit is a beautiful person to be known and loved, not a buzz to be felt.

Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 12:47pm On Feb 07, 2018

FACT: Roman Catholics are taught the virgin Mary never had sex after Jesus was born and that Jesus had no brothers and sisters. The Pope teaches that Mary is the mediator between God and man.
Catholics also engage in more praising of Mary than Jesus Christ himself and actually pray to her to have their prayers answered.
Rosary Beads graphically represent how Roman Catholics heap 10 times more praise upon Mary than God himself. Of the 59 total beads of the Rosary, 53 beads are "Hail Marys", but only 6 beads are "Our Father".
The Rosary most often ends with a "Hail, Holy Queen" prayer to Mary, not God.
Here for proof Mary had other children-Did Jesus have brothers and sisters from the womb of Mary?
"Is not this the carpenter's son? Is not His mother called Mary, and His brothers, James and Joseph and Simon and Judas? "And His sisters, are they not all with us? Where then did this man get all these things?" {Matthew 13:55-56}
Here for proof Mary had other children. Did Joseph begin normal sexual relations with his wife after Jesus was born?
"And Joseph awoke from his sleep and did as the angel of the Lord commanded him, and took Mary as his wife, but kept her a virgin until she gave birth to a Son; and he called His name Jesus." {Matthew 1:24-25}
And the list continual's forever, and as sad at it is, all the above is twisted scriptures the Catholic's had made up over time through the traditions of men..

Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 12:34pm On Feb 07, 2018

Thanks for you input-but I was testing with the Catholic's about there theories..
They claim to obey Paul's teachings, but they refuse to obey the commandments of God..
But please join us, we need good knowledge concerning the Word of God..

donnie:
Jesus wasnt referering to the man Peter when he spoke about building His church. The rock he spoke of is "the revelation that He (Jeusus) is the Christ"; which Peter had affirmed a moment earlier.

By the way, Peter the apostle was never on Rome. There's absolutely no historical record or scriptural backing for that. Apostle Paul was the one who laboured in Rome and established churches.

Simon Peter on the other hand was the apostle to the Jews (Galatians 2:8 ). He lived and died in Israel. His tomb was found in Jerusalem (http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/peters-jerusalem-tomb.htm).

Of course the Catholic church will reject such discoveries as falsehood as that could uncover many other lies.

It is a well known fact that Simon Magus (the magician), after his encounter with the apostles, didn't repent but went ahead to establish the false religion: Roman Catholicism, which contradicted Apostles' teachings in many ways, as it was a mixture of Jewish and pagan worship with a sprinkling of the gospels. http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread362178/pg1

Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 12:23pm On Feb 07, 2018*

9inches:
1. Mention any Catholic doctrine you think contradicts the Scripture

Show as in bible knowledge where are we to make images of statues-to bow down too, and pray to them, also add to this where in the written Word of God does it say we are to pray to Mary and the dead saints, show us, where does the bible line up with paganism belief?

9inches:
2. State or quote the exact interpretation of that doctrine from an authentic Catholic source

Thru shall not make any graven images of above on earth and under the earth..

9inches:
3. State where that doctrine contradicts the Scripture.

FACT: Catholics are taught to call their priest, "Father", as a religious title of respect. Christians in the first century never called their leaders, "father". This first happened hundreds of years later.
Question #1: Does Jesus approve of calling the leaders of the church, "Father"?
Answer: {Matthew 23:9} YES/NO?
"Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. {Matthew 23:9}
FACT: Catholics pray repetitive words with Rosary Beads that were first invented in 1090 AD, by "Peter the Hermit" and made popular by St. Dominic in 1208 AD. Catholics believe that Mary appeared to St. Dominic in 1208 AD, at the church of Prouille and revealed the Rosary Beads to him. From this time, Catholics prayed 15 sets of 10 consecutive "hail Marys" in a row (150 times), in the Rosary. However, in 2003 AD, Pope John Paul added a new set of Mysteries, so now it is 20 sets of 10 "Hail Marys", (200 times in the Rosary, in total.) Catholics will vainly appeal to {Psalm 136} that alternates the same phrase 26 times with 26 different blessings God gives us. It is not 26 in a row as with the rosary! This is also a song, not a prayer. {Revelation 4:8} has "angels singing" not "men praying".
Historical note: Roman Catholics borrowed the idea of praying with beads from the pagan religions who were already using them hundreds of years before: In 456 AD, Hindus are thought to have introduced the concept of praying with beads to the world. The earliest reference to a rosary (boberkhas) is in their "Jain Canon" (456 AD) These boberkhas had various numbers of beads 6,9,12,18,36 (any sub-multiple of 108) Islam (610 AD) uses a rosary of 99 beads, one for each of the names of God. Buddhists have 108 prayer beads on the string. The Rosary is of pagan origin and no Christian prior to 1000 AD used beads to pray.
Question #1: Did Jesus forbid repetitive prayer using Rosary Beads?
Answer: {Matthew 6:7} YES/NO
"And when you are praying, do not use meaningless repetition as the Gentiles do, for they suppose that they will be heard for their many words. {Matthew 6:7}
Would you be able to explain why this is not written in the bible, and why do the Catholic's practice these traditions, when Paul never taught them? And the list continual's forever, and as sad at it is, all the above is twisted scriptures the Catholic's had made up over time through the traditions of men..

9inches:
1. Mention any Catholic doctrine you think contradicts the Scripture
2. State or quote the exact interpretation of that doctrine from an authentic Catholic source
3. State where that doctrine contradicts the Scripture.

Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 12:03pm On Feb 07, 2018

Then why not share the Word of God since you believe you have all the answers?

9inches:
You have shown you don't believe in the Word of God.

Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 12:00pm On Feb 07, 2018

The reasons is, if you just listened to Paul Washer he actually preachers so much like the apostle Paul-you can refuse to watch him, but then you also refuse the biblical Word of God, and if you so much believed in Paul's preaching, you wouldn't be rejecting the bible so much as you do.
From Jesus, He sent the Holy Spirit, and from there He always had good preachers, preachers that listened to the Spirit of God, preachers that believed in one truth-and what is that truth Christ is the truth.
But hey if you are not opened to listen to that truth, then stay believing in the lies the Catholic Church have been teaching you from the beginning.
Pay your indulgence and your purgatory monies, so you will pass go, Jesus said: the truth will set you free, but if you chose to believe the lie, then God will give you the lies you deserve..
{2 Thessalonians 2:9-12} The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

9inches:
Why should I waste my time listening to a Paul Washer who believes a different doctrine than what Apostle Paul preached?

Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 2:10pm On Feb 06, 2018

Actually Jesus said: I am a priest, but I can-not forgive you 'your sins, I can preach the truth to you, but no-man is God on earth..
Who is my pastor, look up Paul Washer on you tube, and listen to this man preach the gospel, he speaks only bible truth, the truth you haven't yet recognised.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObjG_dr3lrU

9inches:
I hope you become a Christian some day. As of now, you don't know your left from your right. Who is your pastor, or are you pastor yourself?

Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 1:50am On Feb 06, 2018*

How hypocritical, is this, you claim I am not Christian because I believe in the written Word of God, when it is you that refuses to believe in the written Word of God, but rather you obey the traditions of men.
You believe you are Christian because you obey the Catholic Church.
The KJV bible teaches us about miracles, it teaches us the disciples preached the gospel before the bible was written, the bible is written so we will believe, Jesus said: to Thomas you believe because you have seen Me, but bless is he that believes without seeing Me. You say you have read the bible from top to bottom and still you disbelieve praying for the living-the bible is clear whom we are to pray too, the living God the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, I pray to the living God our Father, you pray to the dead saints expecting the dead to ask the living God-to save you from condemnation.
Don't you realise God is the God of the Living, He is not the God of the dead.
But you are taught to pray to the dead, you are taught to worship to the dead, and who is dead among you, the dead in spirit, are the blind leading the blind, condemnation comes to the unbeliever.
{John 3:18} “He that believe in Him is not condemned; but He that believe not is condemned already, because he have not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
You may confess Christ with your mouth, but your heart is far from Him, you actions tells us your story-but the truth is, you are taught a different doctrine, a doctrine that had been added traditions of men, these traditions alone have caused humanity to stray away from the Lord-such traditions against the bible-teaching that priest can forgive sins, when in the bible-Only God can forgive?

9inches:
I hope you become a Christian some day. As of now, you don't know your left from your right. Who is your pastor, or are you pastor yourself?

Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 1:21am On Feb 06, 2018*

Everything about the Catholic Church contradicts the bible, matter of fact, none of you know Christ and the scriptures, thru shall not make any graven images, from above, on earth and under the earth, you have made and bowed down to all three of these.
You claim you have read the bible from top to bottom and still you are denying the written Word of God, that does not mention Purgatory, nor does it mention indulgence, these are the traditions of men preached to the world by the Catholic Church, a lie against humanity-priest forgive sins, and the Pope is God on earth.
Everything the Catholic Church preaches is a twisted verbal doctrine, everything that does not line up with the Word of God is a lie.
Your traditions teaches you, your mediators, who stands before God and Humanity-are Mary and the saints, you have been taught to pray through idol's such as the rosaries, you bow or nod your head down to statues, some even pray to them, you have been taught you are saved and baptised as an infant only through the Catholic Church, you believe you are saved in Peter-you refuse to believe every other Church that is outside the Catholic Church are saved in Christ.
Pope Francis said: universal Church means all man kind that lives and believes anything-are one in Christ-and yet the Muslims don't believe, nor the Hindi's, nor the artiest believe, Pope Francis teachers, by their good works you will be with Christ, at the end of this age to come. "Pope Francis is god on earth, leading people further away from the truth. Another traditional lie.
We are criticized everyday by you, the world criticizes the believers, we just need to watch the news to see which Christians are loosing their heads because of their own faith they have for Jesus.
{Not by works only, but by faith we are saved in Christ}..
How hypocritical, is this, when the above is not mentioned in the bible, and you claim I am not Christian because I believe in the written Word of God, and you believe in the traditional doctrines that could be only written by the Catholic Church.

9inches:
1. Mention any Catholic doctrine you think contradicts the Scripture
2. State or quote the exact interpretation of that doctrine from an authentic Catholic source
3. State where that doctrine contradicts the Scripture.

Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 9:06pm On Feb 04, 2018*

One thing for sure you are not my brother in the Lord, but believers do care for those like you, who refuses the Word of God. Anybody can call themselves Christian, but without the Spirit of the Lord, your resources to gain eternal life is nil..
Someone without love, wouldn't waste his time trying to help you with understanding who God is.
If someone didn't love you, they wouldn't waste their time trying to save your soul before you end up in hell fire with your father the devil.

9inches:
Why wouldn't you do that? You don't care about my soul, do you? Like I have said, I've studied the bible multiple times over. Maybe you should point the contradictions out and let's have a discussion on them.

Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 8:40pm On Feb 04, 2018*

The apostles may know the truth, but what is sad you don't know? And by the looks of this below, neither does the Catholic Church know the truth in Christ.

9inches:
Everything doctrine of the Catholic Church is inline with the Scripture. The main issue I observed is:
1. Mention any Catholic doctrine you think contradicts the Scripture
This would be true if the bible is the only rule of faith, but it's not. If you have really studied and understand the bible well, you would've known that it is not the only rule of faith. The apostles and the early Christians know way more than what is contained in the bible.

Everything about the Catholic Church contradicts the bible, matter of fact, none of you know Christ and the scriptures, thru shall not make any graven images, from above, on earth and under the earth, you have made and bowed down to all three.
The Word of God was giving to us by God, Do you realise the Bible makes claims about the creation of the universe, the nature of the God who created the universe and reigns supremely over it, and the fate of mankind. {You do realise the Catholic Church refuses to teach this bible knowledge, matter of fact they teach other doctrines that doesn't line up with the scriptures.}
If these claims are true, then the Bible is the most important book in the history of mankind. If the Bible is true, then it holds the answers to life’s biggest questions: “From where did I come?” “Why am I here?” and “What happens to me when I die?” The importance of the Bible’s message demands it receive fair consideration, and the truthfulness of its message is observable, testable, and able to withstand scrutiny.
The writers of the Bible claim that the Bible is God’s very Word. The apostle Paul writes that “all Scripture is God-breathed”
{2 Timothy 3:16} That is to say, all the words recorded in the original writing of Scripture originated from the mouth of God before ever reaching the minds and pens of the biblical writers. The apostle Peter also writes that “prophecy never had its origin in the human will, but prophets, though human, spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit” {2 Peter 1:21}
The phrase “carried along” is indicative of a sail being propelled by the wind. That is, the writing of Scripture was directed by the Holy Spirit. The Bible does not originate with man and is, then, a product of God and carries the authority of God.
When it is put to the test, the Bible is proved true in every area. Its truth extends to the spiritual, as well. That means that when the Bible says the Hittite nation existed, then we can believe that there were Hittites, and when the Bible teaches that “all have sinned” {Romans 3:23} and the “wages of sin is death” {Romans 6:23} then we need to believe that, too. And, when the Bible tells us that “God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us” {Romans 5:8} and that “whoever believes in [Jesus] shall not perish but have eternal life” {John 3:16} then we can and should believe that, also.
The bible may not be enough for you, and the only reason to this is, you haven't studied the bible enough the understand It, the blind can only lead the blind, and since the bible isn't worthy to you, I suppose you will never understand nor believe the unseen God.
It is the dead in spirit, that makes images of things that are seen by men, In the bible-Jesus said:blessed are those who don't see and believed.
So now you have the input about the bible, and why the bible teaches us to believe.
{John 20:28-29} Thomas replied, “My Lord and my God!” Jesus said to him, “Because you have seen Me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen, and yet have believed.”

9inches:
Like I said, I have done so multiple times but haven't seen any contradictions. Everything doctrine of the Catholic Church is inline with the Scripture. The main issue I observed is:

1. People's understanding of the Scripture.
2. People's understanding of Catholic doctrines.

I would assume before you critic someone's beliefs, you will have to restate exactly what that person believes, and not what you think he believes

In that regard, let's do it this way:

1. Mention any Catholic doctrine you think contradicts the Scripture
2. State or quote the exact interpretation of that doctrine from an authentic Catholic source
3. State where that doctrine contradicts the Scripture.

Happy Sunday!

This would be true if the bible is the only rule of faith, but it's not. If you have really studied and understand the bible well, you would've known that it is not the only rule of faith. The apostles and the early Christians know way more than what is contained in the bible.

Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 7:37pm On Feb 04, 2018*

You are not ignorant of the scriptures, we have written the truth to you-we have showing you the written Word of God
{John 14:23-24} “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make Our home with him. Whoever does not love Me does not keep My words. The word that you hear is not My own, but it is from the Father who sent Me.…
{John 8:51} Truly, truly, I tell you, if anyone keeps My word, he will never see death."
{John 15:10, John 16:27, John 14:15,21} If you love me, keep my commandments…

9inches:
God does not send an individual to hell for the sin he is ignorant of.

Again you are not ignorant, we have written the truth to you-we have showing you the written Word of God-verse after verse, you have refused these Words with a passion, you have claimed the bible is not the only traditional Word of God, you won't accept God speaks to us through His Word, nor will you allow your heart to swallow up your pride.
You believe in other traditions that the Spirit of God did not teach you, you bow down to paganism praying "to" martial things that are seen, idol's of the rosaries, statues of a dead souls-instead you alter to pray directly to the unseen God the Father Jesus and the Holy Spirit, as the written Word of God {bible} have directed us to do..
You have refuse to recognise the scriptures, and your arguments are about your traditional Church and how great it stands.

9inches:
I haven't said all the things you alluded here. I am not the one to judge who gets into heaven or not. That is not the main topic of discussion here is about who knows the Word of God and who does not. God does not send an individual to hell for the sin he is ignorant of. But as soon as you've heard it and refuses to heed to it, only then you are culpable.

Now that you have realized your bible tells you to know not only the written Word of God but also the unwritten, you are now responsible for what are do next with that information.

Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 5:47am On Feb 04, 2018

{Hebrews 2:3-4} How shall we escape if we neglect so great a salvation, which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed to us by those who heard Him, "4 God also bearing witness both with signs and wonders, with various miracles, and gifts of the Holy Spirit, according to His own will?
{Hebrews 6:4} For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, "5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, "6 if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.
{Hebrews 10:29-31} Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace? "30 For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,”says the Lord. And again, “The Lord will judge His people.”31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
Meaning if you know the scriptures, and if you had understood them and believed, and now you have turned your back on Christ-which you have 9 inches, there won't be any place for you in the Kingdom of God, Judgement is standing at your door..

Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 7:33pm On Feb 03, 2018*

This is why Christ said: {John 18:36} His kingdom is not of this world.
But you believe obeying the traditions of the earthly Catholic Church, will lead you to Christ; you believe everybody outside the Catholic Church, and refuses the traditions of the Catholic Church are not saved, so of course with your own understanding the Word of God is not enough knowledge to even come close to spend eternity with Christ, you believe the Catholic Church, is the only Church that knows God.
You believe the Catholic Church and through it's verbal teachings the Church has all the answers, as long as you fellowship with the Catholic's, and stay with the traditions of the Catholic Church, you are saved by the Catholic Church, you believe, it is they, who know Christ, through Mary and the saints, that they hold the keys to life eternal in heaven.
I had asked you "Do you believe, are you saved, I don't believe you even know what this means-you were saved in the Catholic Church, only to your knowledge, you don't need anybody telling you, are you saved, because you are part of the body through the Catholic Church, saved and baptised through them, this had given you insurance, as long as you serve the Catholic Church, you are already written in the book of life.
The truth is, its all unbiblical-simple, but you will never know, until you cry out unto God and repent-with your own understanding the darkness that is in you, refusing and rejecting Christ "won't give you light-if you say you have light-then "How bright is that light that shines from you, you don't recognise the bible, nor the author of the bible "God, because you don't have fellowship with Him, to know Him..
Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ Then the Lord will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness!
I have asked you are you saved, you are not saved no more then the atheist that claim they don't know God "Your Jesus is based on tradition, your mediators are based around the Queen of heaven-Mother of God, and the saints, believing the lie, can only send you to be with your great grand fathers that nailed Christ on the tree, and to spend eternity with your father in hell..

9inches:
How can you accept Christ and reject His Word? And how can you discern which doctrines are false when your knowledge of the whole Word of God is limited only to the written Word?

Yes, it makes a big difference. Many churches teach wrong doctrines like the bible only doctrine. Bible only doctrine is against the Word of God.

Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 7:52pm On Feb 02, 2018*

If we say we know Him, and don't follow His commandments we are lair's, How do we know Him, first seek the Kingdom of God, which is His Word, knowing God is reading the bible, Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you.
No-one knows God without seeking His kingdom. His kingdom is His Word, He promises He will come to you, seeking is believing, believing you will find. {Matthew 7:7}
{Mark 7:7-9} They worship Me in vain; they teach as doctrine the precepts of men.’ You have disregarded the commandment of God to keep the tradition of men.” He went on to say, “You neatly set aside the commandment of God to maintain your own tradition.
He continual's to say.
{Matthew 19:29} And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife or children or fields for my sake will receive a hundred times as much and will inherit eternal life. But many who are first will be last, and the last will be first.
Don’t misunderstand. This is a giving of your complete heart to Jesus allowing Him to live in and through you. Jesus is not stating here that you must give them up literally before you can become his follower; He is only asking for us to give them up in our hearts so that if we are ever required to leave these things behind for HIS SAKE we will be able to do so. This is called conviction. Having a fixed or firm belief in Jesus and His word and promises. Are you willing to give up your Church for Jesus's sake-or is the Church building so much to you, nothing else matters, idolatry, Giving yourself to a “thing” or “idol”. Is replacing God for the sake of earthly materials..

Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 7:55am On Feb 02, 2018

9inches:
Christ was not silly when He established a Church.

This is why Christ said: {John 18:36} His kingdom is not of this world.
This is the Church you should have concerns about? Do you believe, are you saved, and which body are you from, were you baptised in Christ, if you know the answer to this-then it doesn't matter which Church building you enter, because, once you have accepted Christ as your Lord and savour-you will keep His commandments, you will have enough discernment, to know which doctrine is true, and which doctrines are false.
In Christ this is a Sure testimony.
Church buildings is like flicking through the net, if the preaching does not line up with the Word of God, having the right discernment-it's just as quick as turning the page.
First you have agreed the body of Christ is the people, again you have changed your plead, The Church one attends makes a big difference?

9inches:
The Church one attends makes a big difference. A wrong church will have wrong teaching. Christ was not silly when He established a Church.

Christianity Etc › Re: Answers To Jehovah Witnesses Devil-inspired Questions About JESUS CHRIST!!! by brocab: 10:32pm On Feb 01, 2018

The Catholic Church worships the Sun-while the Christians worship the Son..

bingbagbo:
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Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 10:13pm On Feb 01, 2018

The question you are asking are all wrong, you boast in your arrogance, and all such boasting is evil.
You say which Church is the body, you agree that the body is the people and the Words Peter spoke was the Word of God, and on this rock Christ said He will build His Church, "you should be asking yourself this question, am I saved, and have I received the Holy Spirit, to know all things the Spirit teaches me, who Christ is to me?
Once you have decided to test yourself, and have some sort of an idea about your salvation-then the truth will be revealed?
Your competition who's Church stood the longest, will make no difference to me, my concerns are, do you believe, are you saved, and which body are you from, were you baptised into Christ, or were you baptised into the Catholic Church?

9inches:
Why should you be a protest_ant? Why not follow the original and the authentic?

The earliest recorded evidence of the use of the term "Catholic Church" is the Letter to the Smyrnaeans that Ignatius of Antioch wrote in about 107AD to Christians in Smyrna. Exhorting Christians to remain closely united with their bishop, he wrote: "Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church." - Wikipedia.

Protestantism started in 1517 when Martin Luther decided to separate from the Body of Christ, His Holy Church..

Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 7:27pm On Feb 01, 2018*

I was motivated to read early Christian writers. As a Protestant involved in what can be called the "Free Church" model, I had been taught certain things about the early Church and the Catholic Church; as I studied with early Christianity in my I began to realize that I had been taught something like a conspiracy theory, and history completes itself.
I found there are many other "myths," but I want to comment on three: {1} The Early Christian Church was the model of following Christ, {2} Constantine was evil and used the Christian faith for political reasons. He made Christianity the official religion and influenced the Church to adopt pagan beliefs. {3} The Catholic Church started under Constantine and continually became more worldly.
And as I read on I always find the Catholic's believe they are the Church, the only Church and nothing but the Church, and everything under this, is nothing..
And as history had repeated itself "If we were to study even further, does the Catholic Church obeyed God, is there any evidence in history do they know God, do they know the apostles, was there another Peter, and where is the evidence they obey the Word of God-then why do they boast, and all such boasting is evil, why do they preach another religion, why do they follow after doctrines of men, Why do they pray through Mary and the saints, and why do they disobey the commandments of God verbally by letter and mind?
{Acts 2:1-4} When the Day of Pentecost had fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. And suddenly there came a sound from heaven, as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting. Then there appeared to them divided tongues, as of fire, and one sat upon each of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. So if the Catholic Church were the first Church of Christ-shouldn't they be called the protestants instead of the Catholic Church?
The Holy spirit fell on Pentecost.

9inches:
Exactly! Unfortunately, protestants chose not to keep the tradition of the apostles and the Word of God.

Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 7:37am On Feb 01, 2018

{Acts 7:51-53} “You stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears! You always resist the Holy Spirit; as your fathers did, so do you. Which of the prophets did your fathers not persecute? And they killed those who foretold the coming of the Just One, of whom you now have become the betrayers and murderers, who have received the law by the direction of angels and have not kept it.”Nor did you keep the tradition from the apostles, nor you do you obey the Word of God..

9inches:
False. I regard both the oral and written Word of God as valid, unlike you who follows Luther to regards only the written Word.

Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 7:35am On Feb 01, 2018

9inches:
You are not making any coherent sense. Do you know what a 'Straw man' argument is? That's what you are pulling off right now.

Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 3:00pm On Jan 31, 2018

Could anybody share with me, is this Catholic Priest denying Christ, or could you "9 inch" answer this question-is this the way you were saved, or were you saved at birth by the Priest and baptised as a infant? If you expect me to learn, at least expect me to understand about why this Priest on the video, denies how one must be saved in Christ.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOss8GB_LrU

Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 12:33pm On Jan 31, 2018*

Going through history, and it doesn't matter how it started, the point is, is it continualing, usually when we grow-we change, but when things don't Change, then maybe the body will never change.
The body should change, but if the body doesn't change-then the body wouldn't be supported by its unstable foundation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeI0bDv3LE8

Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 12:31pm On Jan 31, 2018

The Catholic Church claims Peter built the Catholic Church. Peter was a sinner, and somehow Peter became Pope according the the Catholic's, and somehow you have this idea Peter built the Catholic Church. I suppose Peter is like Mary-Peter didn't sin either, because Popes who become Popes, are supposedly by the Catholic's are sinless..
{Matthew 16:15-17} “But what about you?” Jesus asked. “Who do you say I am?” Simon Peter answered, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God. ”Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah! For this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by My Father in heaven, and Jesus spoke about the Church, that was to be built on the Words God had given to Peter to repeat..
So which was it, was your Church built upon Peter's own words, or was it built upon God's Words, God had spoken through Peter?

9inches:
May God have mercy on you for posting the rubbish highlighted above. How can God build His Church on a sinful nature of man (Peter).

Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 11:31am On Jan 31, 2018*

I know and I know you haven't any interest in the written Word of God, but whenever you front God on your Judgement day coming, you can say to God, you were told about the truth, but you refused it with a passion-all you could believe, the Word of God is used as our tool to know Christ, before the Bible was written, the apostles spoke word of mouth, some were listening to the Holy Spirit and others were listening to deceiving spirits-example-Paul had words with Peter because Peter did this!
{Galatians 2:11-13} Paul Confronts Peter: But when Peter came to Antioch, I had to oppose him to his face, for what he did was very wrong. When he first arrived, he ate with the Gentile believers, who were not circumcised. But afterward, when some friends of James came, Peter wouldn’t eat with the Gentiles anymore. He was afraid of criticism from these people who insisted on the necessity of circumcision. As a result, other Jewish believers followed Peter’s hypocrisy, and even Barnabas was led astray by their hypocrisy.
So before the bible was written-Peter disobeyed God, he had caused division between the believers, Peter divided the Gentiles from the Jews, And "believing Paul" finding out through word of mouth, came to "disbelieving Peter" before the bible was written, but lets say if the bible was written in those times, Peter and the others, would have searched the scriptures, before they would have made any decision..
Like we are doing today, we search the scriptures, for the correct answers...
Just like Peter, many of the believers had falling away' and going astray, Jesus said: {2 Corinthians 11:4} I am afraid, however, that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent’s cunning, your minds may be led astray from your simple and pure devotion to Christ.
This is why the bible is needed, so we won't go astray far far away from the truth, "But you have gone astray! your doctrines do not line up with the Word of God' these are traditions made up=Purgatory Indulgence and bowing down to statue's is given to you through word of mouth, just look at Peter's story-circumcised or uncircumcised, either way he played the fool.
Even Jesus told John to write these things down. {John 21:24-25} This is the disciple who testifies to these things and who has written them down. And we know that his testimony is true. There are many more things that Jesus did. If all of them were written down, I suppose not even the world itself would have space for the books that would be written.
{John 14:26} But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
But of course the Spirit was bringing to remembrance the things Jesus had done, and who's idea was it, to write almost every thing down on manuscripts, when found, it was pertained and preserved, and later translated into the bible. Great idea..
{1 John 4:1-3} Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
If someone comes to you claiming God told him to do this or that, don't believe him unless he can back it up with scripture, Jesus said: test the spirits, and if the words you hear does not line up in scripture, it doesn't line up at all! it's like if purgatory and indulgence were bible knowledge, it would have been written down, so through word of mouth, man added tradition..

9inches:
Your doctrine is sola scriptura (bible only), and No, it's unbiblical meaning it's not the Word of God or original Christian doctrine. All Sacred Scripture and tradition were approved by God and no individual should remove or distort any part of both.

Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 5:37am On Jan 31, 2018

I was searching through you tube for some good preaching, and I had noticed this video, I thought I would paste it, This preacher was dedicated to the Catholic Church for 38 years, and this is his testimony, 9 in" you maybe interested, and maybe you could explain your own version about it, after watching it? A dedicated Catholic's are starting to see some hidden truths about Pope Francis.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeI0bDv3LE8

Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 12:52am On Jan 31, 2018

What is my doctrine? Is it the Word of God, you have quietly removed from your scriptures of the Catholic Church, is the traditions more important to you, that because Martin Luther disqualified them, you believe everyone walked in Martin Luther-what you don't understand is, we don't walk in Martin Luther-we walk in Christ..

9inches:
The doctrine of sola scriptura, which is unbiblical and made-up by him. I don't care what happened to Luther because he's already dead. But you need to be informed of his doctrine so you won't make same mistake.

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