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Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 5:54am On Jan 11, 2018*

I am open to word when in reason-Not my own truth-God's truth-The objective truth, is the Word of God? If there were other books, I am sure the Catholic Church would have kept them together-so everybody could have the enjoyment from them, and not just the Catholic Church-"The writers of the Bible wrote not according to their own will or whim, but only as they were moved, or controlled, by the Spirit of God.
The Bible is God's own book! The Bible writers gave God's messages by voice and pen while they lived, and when they died, their writings lived after them. These prophetic messages were then gathered together, under God's leading, in the book we call the Bible.
{2 Timothy 3:16-17} All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work." The Holy Bible affects human beings so profoundly, because "all" the Bible is "God-breathed."
It's more than a nice collection of moral principles; it's more than a great book; it's an inspired document, God's book. The prophets who wrote the Bible related what they saw and heard in human language, but their message came directly from God."
If you say these other books were God's Word-then no-one has the rights to separate them, what you may call the unfinished doctrines, God still speaks to us, with the left over scriptures.
I have never had God speak to me from any other book, its always been the bible-if these books were God's favoured's everybody would have them.
With these books of yours-have God spoken through them, I have never heard anybody say God is speaking to them through other books, other then the bible. Most of the books of the Protestant Apocrypha are called deuterocanonical by Catholics per the Council of Trent and all of them are called anagignoskomena by the Eastern Orthodox per the Synod of Jerusalem.
The Anglican Communion accepts "the Apocrypha for instruction in life and manners, but not for the establishment of doctrine.

9inches:
Now it has come down to "yourself" and what you believe as your truth. Why don't you want to know the OBJECTIVE TRUTH? The TRUTH which does not depend on what you or I think or believe?

Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 1:19am On Jan 11, 2018*

The Protestant doctrine of sola scriptura -- that the Bible alone is a Christian's authority in matters of faith? And why do we believe this because the bible said so.
{2 Timothy 3:16} Paul states, “All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness.” This is the only use in the Bible of the Greek word theopneustos, which means “God-breathed, inspired by God, due to the inspiration of God,” but other scriptural passages support the basic premise of Scripture being inspired by God.
The power of the breath of God in divine inspiration pervades Scripture. God breathed “the breath of life” into Adam (Genesis 2:7) and Jesus “breathed on them and said, ‘Receive the Holy Spirit’” (John 20:22)
In {2 Peter 1:21} we are told that “prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.” Here we see the truths of Scripture described as coming directly from God, not from the will of the writers He used to record them.
Peter notes that Paul writes “with the wisdom that God gave him” and that failure to take heed to these messages is done at the peril of the readers (2 Peter 3:15–16)
Scripture comes from the Holy Spirit, who gives it to us “in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words” (1 Corinthians 2:13).
In fact, the Berean believers faithfully used the inspired Word of God to check Paul’s adherence to the Word as they “examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true” (Acts 17:11)
Faith is central to how anyone receives the validity or value of God’s inspired Word because “the man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned” (1 Corinthians 2:14).
The “spiritual man” is the one who has been given the gift of faith (Ephesians 2:8–9) for the salvation of his soul. {Hebrews 11:1} tells us, “Faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see.”
There is a righteousness in the gospel revealed by God in the Scriptures, but our righteousness comes and is maintained by and through faith alone. “The righteous will live by faith” (Romans 1:17)
Although {2 Timothy 3:16} may be the only place in the Bible where the phrase “God-breathed” is used to describe the Word of God, Scripture is replete with similar claims. These are actually God’s words reminding us that His truth and love can be found there to guide us in all aspects of life. Perhaps James has the final word about the nature of Scripture (and many other things) when he proclaims, “Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows” (James 1:17)
I myself am one to believe in the written Word of God-In other words I don't need other books to know Christ-the bottom line is-if you aren't Spirit filled, you are not walking with Christ. "these books in the bible were written by men who were filled with the Holy spirit, You claim to other books but what good is that to you-if you are not filled with the Holy Spirit?

9inches:
Progress!

Now, what do you mean by "writings of men"? For the Catholic church, it's oral tradition. Remember, the doctrine of the apostles came to them in oral form from Jesus. In one sense the entire Christian message is based on oral tradition before, out of necessity, the written form came to be.

If you need a Catholic reference on that: https://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/oral-tradition-in-the-new-testament

Christianity Etc › Re: The Pentecostal Church Verses The Catholic Church. by brocab(op): 10:38pm On Jan 10, 2018*

Uben Church buildings that carry any sort of name are classed as denominations, as we know, I don't fit into any denomination buildings that carry's a name, having my own opinion, I believe I can't find Christ in either of these names, If the Catholic Church belonged to Christ-then I am sure all the apostles would come together and had fellowship in the Catholic Church-but there's no evidence of that? The problem is, Rome never fully agreed on Christianity alone, Constantine's decision expected his god's, to be treated, worshipped together with the One true God, at the same time? God's a jealous God, He don't mix Himself in sin..
This argument between Churches Uben is a competition, people in all sizes, from different parts of the world, have always taken upon themselves someone else is better then the other, Jesus calls the people-not Church buildings, "the fruit of the Church buildings are-We either have the one, and not the other, or we will either hate the one, and love the other! {Galatians 3:28} And this is the fruit of Christ-we are all equal in Christ.
I don't have any dealt about the Catholic Church to agree on one accord, and visa verse with any Church, flesh brings {Galatians 5:19} into existence.
If we were to focus on Christ instead of which Church was built first, then we wouldn't care for the things of this world.
Uben I don't see a Church building-as the body of Christ-there are all names written on buildings, but in Christ His name is written on our hearts, there's no other name, above, on Earth or under the Earth, that could separate His name within.
Rome has a lot of history with paganism, and the Catholic Church have a strong hold over their people, and in this day and age-Statues are still standing in every corner-to remind you God exist! I could walk into any Church and find none, but if I was to look at the people, what will I find? I would see-many of them wearing idolising crosses around their necks, or something that simulates Christ, Christian book stores are full of idolising artifacts, stickers, bracelets, crosses, statues, pictures of the above about God-the bible states-do not make any graving images, above, on Earth or under the Earth.
{So if you were to think about it, this way--Uben the people haven't left the Catholic Church, they are not attending the Catholic Church-the Catholic Church is still in them, these people are missionaries, reaching out, spreading Catholicism throughout the world} And don't look at this the wrong way-but anybody you see-that carries or wears-anything to remind them God exist-are Catholic's born and bread throughout..
Uben I don't look at the Church building, I look for the fruit in people, without judging anybody-I know if Christ is working in their lives, I would see changes in people-because God never finishes His work once He had started, but if I seen people in Christ not changing in Him, then these are the people still in the flesh, they don't know God, nor does He know them.
Buildings are used to bring people together under one accord, when Christ builds His only Church-He is preferring to His people, and He is building, molding and sharping His people to be more like Him. This is the Church Christ is building-we stand as the temple of the Holy Spirit, we are His true Church, we are His bride.
{Matthew 20:16} So the last shall become first, and the first last, for many be called but few are chosen.

Ubenedictus:
I think you have misunderstood me in one aspect.

1. I don't believe that the Catholic Church is the foremost denomination, no! instead I am saying that in, essence it is the Church established by Christ himself, which the apostles led and for which they ordained others to continue their work....that Church established by Christ himself is what has come down to us called the Catholic Church and the so-called denominations as factions that were made by men who call themselves Protestants.
2. all who broke out of the Catholic Church are the factions and dissension.

3. the Church according to the Bible has one Lord, one baptism, one Faith and one God, the different contradictory denominations fail that test as they do not share one Faith and they certainly cannot be every denomination.

that is why I never teach denomination instead I ask are you in the one Church instituted by Christ himself or in one of those faction and so-called denominations that broke off.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Pentecostal Church Verses The Catholic Church. by brocab(op): 8:49pm On Jan 09, 2018*

Thanks for you honesty Uben-so the Catholic Church demonstrates there Church is a first denominational Church God had built in Rome? and you believe-everyone who claims to promote their Church lets say AOG-COC any denomination name like the Catholic Church name, is walking in the flesh. Does not denomination mean recognized autonomous branch of the Christian Church."the Presbyterian community is the second largest denomination in the country"synonyms religious group, sect, Church, cult, movement, faith community, body, persuasion, religious persuasion, communion, order, fraternity, brotherhood, sisterhood, school; is not the Catholic denomination a Church?
So your Church is evident and it is walking in the flesh-because the denominational name is the Catholic Church, gal 5:19 Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality,idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy,outbursts of anger, disputes, DISSENSIONS,
FACTIONS.
So every denomination you say: with a name, fits In with {Galatians 5:19} Interesting"

Ubenedictus:
where I. am going is clear.
denominations are a biblical taboo, a sin.
anybody who promotes such system is promoting an anti biblical system.

any one who claim to be in Christ and yet promote denominations is walking in the flesh.

I have never looked at names like the way you have done, I have always seen the Church to be the people-all under denominational buildings.
Thanks for your feed back-and you know Uben it does make sense, if the people knew Christ, they wouldn't need to seek after their man made denominations in the flesh that causes such evil within the Church.

Ubenedictus:
where I. am going is clear.
denominations are a biblical taboo, a sin.
anybody who promotes such system is promoting an anti biblical system.

any one who claim to be in Christ and yet promote denominations is walking in the flesh.

gal 5:19
Now the deeds of the flesh are evident,
which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality,
idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy,
outbursts of anger, disputes, DISSENSIONS,
FACTIONS.

Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 8:16pm On Jan 09, 2018*

I had explained it the best I could-but in your mind you had disqualified it-"Why? because you didn't read it to understand it, nor do you know the answer to your own question. Which makes life a little harder, but this time you need to read it, to understand it..
Evangelical Protestants hold to the Bible alone as their rule of faith.
This reflects their belief in the doctrine of the sufficiency of Scripture, which declares that the Bible alone is adequate to guide the Christian in all matters of faith and practice.
According to {2 Timothy 3:16–17} the Scriptures are profitable to make the believer “thoroughly equipped for every good work.” If we are thoroughly equipped by the Word of God, nothing more is needed.
There are no degrees of “thoroughness.” To say we need something more than the Bible as a rule of faith is to say we are made “partially thoroughly” equipped by the Bible and need something more to make us “completely thoroughly” equipped.

But the Roman Catholicism adds to the Bible and expands the rule of faith.
Catholics look to both “written books and unwritten traditions,” thereby adding to the Bible the declarations of popes and bishops, papal bulls, and various councils. Catholics believe the Bible is God’s Word, but it is incomplete without the addition of these writings of men. Am I right-all you still don't the answer?

9inches:
You explanation for rule of faith?

Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 4:47am On Jan 09, 2018

Then if this is not the answer you are looking for, then at least explain, your answer..Simple

9inches:
You are still evading the question. Is the bible the only rule of faith?

Christianity Etc › Re: The Pentecostal Church Verses The Catholic Church. by brocab(op): 11:30pm On Jan 08, 2018

{Romans 8:1-2, 8:12-27} There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death.
{Verse 12} Therefore, brethren, we are debtors—not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh. {V 13} For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. {V 14} For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. {V 15} For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, “Abba, Father.” {V 16} The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,
{V 17} and if children, then heirs—heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him, that we may also be glorified together. From Suffering to Glory {V 18 For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. {V 19 For the earnest expectation of the creation eagerly waits for the revealing of the sons of God.
{V 20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope; {V 21 because the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. {V 22 For we know that the whole creation groans and labors with birth pangs together until now. {V 23 Not only that, but we also who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, eagerly waiting for the adoption, the redemption of our body. {V 24 For we were saved in this hope, but hope that is seen is not hope; for why does one still hope for what he sees? {V 25 But if we hope for what we do not see, we eagerly wait for it with perseverance.
{V 26 Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession for us[b] with groaning which cannot be uttered. {V 27 Now He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He makes intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 10:04pm On Jan 08, 2018*

God does speak to people today. First, God speaks to us through His Word {2 Timothy 3:16–17, Isaiah 55:11} tells us, “So is my word that goes out from my mouth: it will not return to me empty, but will accomplish what I desire and achieve the purpose for which I sent it.” The Bible is God’s Word, everything we need to know in order to be saved and live the Christian life.
{2 Peter 1:3} declares, “His divine power has given us everything we need for life and godliness through our knowledge of Him who called us by his own glory and goodness.”
If God were to speak today, His words would be in full agreement with what He has said in the Bible {2 Timothy 3:16–17} God does not contradict Himself.
God never tells it from another book, you Catholic's may think you have all the answers adding different books to match God, but the bible was written for us to know God, God doesn't speak to us through other books, but God can “speak” to us through events—i.e., He can guide us through arranging our circumstances. And God helps us to discern right from wrong through our consciences (1 Timothy 1:5;1 Peter 3:16)
God is in the process of conforming our minds to think His thoughts (Romans 12:2)
God allows events to occur in our lives to direct us, change us, and help us to grow spiritually {James 1:2–5;Hebrews 12:5–11}
{1 Peter 1:6–7} reminds us, “In this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while you may have had to suffer grief in all kinds of trials. These have come so that your faith—of greater worth than gold, which perishes even though refined by fire—may be proved genuine and may result in praise, glory and honor when Jesus Christ is revealed.
These are scriptures out of the bible-I didn't use other books to confer this information.
God may sometimes speak audibly to people. It is highly doubtful, though, that this occurs as often as some people claim it does. Again, even in the Bible, God speaking audibly is the exception, not the ordinary. If anyone claims that God has spoken to him or her, always compare what is said with what the Bible says. If God were to speak today, His words would be in full agreement with what He has said in the Bible (2 Timothy 3:16–17) God does not contradict Himself.

Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 9:51pm On Jan 08, 2018

Because you haven't the slightest idea who God is, you need other books to satisfy you religious needs..

Dnaz:
The Bible is not the sole rule of the Christian faith

Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 9:49pm On Jan 08, 2018

Well again and again let me explain it to you, this way-if its not in the Word of God that is written in the bible, then its a lie-and if the Catholic's fill they need to add other doctrines-that doesn't already line up with the Word of God-then it's a lie..
{2 Timothy 3:16} says that all Scripture is “God-breathed.” His Word sometimes gives us a warning, a word of encouragement, or a lesson for life. It’s ”His-story”–written with love as God’s guide for life, “so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.”

9inches:
You don't have to quote verbatim a whole article to answer an easy question. One or few excerpts would have been fine although that's not what I expect for an answer. However, the article sort of dodged the question. It's like the author was arguing with himself.

Again, is the bible the only rule of faith?

Christianity Etc › Re: The Pentecostal Church Verses The Catholic Church. by brocab(op): 9:12pm On Jan 08, 2018*

I do understand where you are going with this Uben, Quote:{God doesn't call people to form factions in the Church that isn't the work of the HOLY spirit, it is the work of the flesh a satanic enterprise} "But it isn't just some denominations you believe is causing problems throughout the Church-firstly are they truly saved? Is the Holy Spirit working inside every Man, Woman and Child. "No" this is why the Church have {Galatians 5:19} within..
Receiving God is renewing your heart, mind and soul..
But Paul said In {1 Thessalonians 2:13-14} And we continually thank God that in receiving the word of God from us, you did not accept it as the word of men, but as the true word of God. And this is the word which is now at work in you who believe. For you, brothers, became imitators of the churches of God in Judea that are in Christ Jesus. You suffered from your own countrymen the very things they suffered from the Jews. "These are men that believed" and not every man that claims Christ believes, not even in Rome..
We find in every Church-theirs only the very few that believe in Christ, not everyone in Church believes, The Church today are full of unsaved people who haven't the slightest idea who God is, they go to Church because of a family tradition, or they feel good going to Church on Sunday, people come to Church because the Pastor, Priest told them they will go into heaven because they are good people, some believe by works helping a little old lady cross the road, God rewards them of their good deeds-some believe priest can save them by their sinful confession.
Some believe they don't need Christ-because they were told, Christ isn't the only way into Heaven, some believe just by works gives them a place in Heaven, And their are those waiting to be paid"Mammon comes before God-most don't even study the scriptures, Jesus said by their fruit we will know them. But all in all most people don't know God, visa versa, but they will continual to call themselves Christian.
In most Churches we find pastor priest are men pleases-these chase after the material things, rather then chase after the spiritual things of God. We have many coming to Christ everyday by preachers who haven't the slightest idea who Christ is, just say this simple prayer, and you are saved.
Peter preachers it this way, "Repent and believe and be baptised for the remissions of sins, and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit in Jesus name. {Acts 2:38}
Pastors priest are not teaching their flocks in Christ-people are leaving just as quick as they entered into the Church, most people aren't saved, because they come and they go, some are taught once saved always saved, No one is saved without the Holy Spirit-working in us and changing us-once God does the work in us He continual's until the end. Everyone can say they believe, the Mormons believe, the Jehovah Witness believe, the Catholic's believe, these 3 have written their own bibles because they believe the bible is not enough to fill God's Word, and added other books to the scriptures.
{1 Corinthians 12:1-3} Brothers and sisters, I want you to know about the gifts of the Holy Spirit. You know that at one time you were unbelievers. You were somehow drawn away to worship statues of gods that couldn’t even speak. So I want you to know that no one who is speaking with the help of God’s Spirit says, “May Jesus be cursed.” And without the help of the Holy Spirit no one can say, “Jesus is Lord.…
Sadly people have made a mockery out from God-coming to Christ with the wrong attitude, did you know/many are called, but few are chosen, this is written because by their fruit we will know them.
I myself don't fellowship in any Church-to be honest I felt I was backsliding in them, I have had more teaching and more understanding from the Lord, just by studying at home, Uben this forum have taught me a lot about myself and the God I so much love and serve.

Ubenedictus:
God doesn't call people to form factions in the Church that isn't the work of the HOLY spirit, it is the work of the flesh a satanic enterprise.

gal 5:19
Now the deeds of the flesh are evident,
which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality,
idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy,
outbursts of anger, disputes, DISSENSIONS,
FACTIONS.

how many denominations do you guys now have?

Christianity Etc › Re: The Pentecostal Church Verses The Catholic Church. by brocab(op): 9:16pm On Jan 07, 2018*

Uben Martin Luther doesn't call you into the kingdom of God-his just a man, that walked away from your Church, it's not Martin Luther we bow down too. I don't follow Martin Luther, I follow Christ. We already know the answer to you Uben-you don't follow after Christ, you follow after the Pope...
This is the flesh>Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, if you are preferring this to Martin Luther because he walked away from the Church-and you believe Pope Martin Luther caused the Church to pull away-than thank God for that, "I am not complaining...
Martin Luther would have to be a man God called him out of the Catholic Church, Martin Luther must be a man like Moses or a man like Elisha, or John, God calls people all the time, and Martin Luther would have to be a man of faith, studying the scriptures, and learning the truth.
God calls us into fellowship with His Son Jesus Christ {1 Corinthians 1:9} Not Martin Luther-not the Pope-it is God who calls. Martin Luther did not stand at the door when I had received Christ into my life.
This is the problem with the Catholic Church-God calls His people out-and the Church blames Martin Luther. Uben because Martin Luther caused fiction within the Catholic Church-does this mean the Pope is the head of the Catholic people, and if he stirs the bowl the wrong way, the Church will rage into immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, and its the Pope's fault...

Ubenedictus:
you may claim not to know Luther but you are his intellectual child, a follower and perpetuator/continuer of his schism
nobody is talking about a church building, we are talking about the body of Christ with its divinely established leadership and its historic salvific teaching, which have been broken down into contradictory sects that can't even agree on who Jesus is. that is what a schism is and that is why the Bible warns against it and even reject it as sinful.
please quote it completely
gal 5:19
Now the deeds of the flesh are evident,
which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality,
idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy,
outbursts of anger, disputes, DISSENSIONS,
FACTIONS.
if a believer has put the Church into faction and some other believer are following him then they are walking in the flesh not the spirit.
I have see both Catholic and Protestants and it is you Protestants who have fractioned yourself into 30,000 contradictory denominations against the wishes and teachings of the Bible that says there should be no factions.
and yet when you Protestants are tested you fraction into 30,000 fraction just as God says the flesh behave.

oh I see people every day who don't live the Christian life but more so I see denominations who are founded in the flesh for they are only contradictory factions

gal 5:19
Now the deeds of the flesh are evident,
which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality,
idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy,
outbursts of anger, disputes, DISSENSIONS,
FACTIONS.

Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 8:56pm On Jan 07, 2018

Maybe if you were to get down to the point of how you would like me to answer your dodgy questions, you may receive a rightful answer..Your-Question: "What is the rule of faith?"
Answer: The phrase rule of faith does not appear in the Bible. It was first used in a statement by the early church writer Tertullian in his On Prescription Against Heretics.
The rule of faith is the set of standards that define a religion. Biblical Christianity holds the Bible to be its only rule of faith. The rule of faith may be different for different groups. In some cases, the standards are similar. In others, what may seem similar actually presents a vast and significant distinction.
Rules of faith in most religions rely on something other than or in addition to the Word of God, thereby denying the sufficiency of Scripture. Since the earliest days of Christianity, this heresy has survived and flourished.
The rule of faith among the Gnostics of the first century was based on the Scriptures plus a mystical knowledge gained only by those who had achieved a higher plane of enlightenment.
In direct contradiction to the Word of God, the Gnostics taught that salvation comes not by grace alone through faith alone (Ephesians 2:8–9) but by divine knowledge or some inner light possessed only by those of elevated spirituality.
Evangelical Protestants hold to the Bible alone as their rule of faith. This reflects their belief in the doctrine of the sufficiency of Scripture, which declares that the Bible alone is adequate to guide the Christian in all matters of faith and practice.
According to {2 Timothy 3:16–17} the Scriptures are profitable to make the believer “thoroughly equipped for every good work.” If we are thoroughly equipped by the Word of God, nothing more is needed. There are no degrees of “thoroughness.” To say we need something more than the Bible as a rule of faith is to say we are made “partially thoroughly” equipped by the Bible and need something more to make us “completely thoroughly” equipped.
Roman Catholicism adds to the Bible and expands the rule of faith. Catholics look to both “written books and unwritten traditions,” thereby adding to the Bible the declarations of popes and bishops, papal bulls, and various councils. Catholics believe the Bible is God’s Word, but it is incomplete without the addition of these writings of men.
One can justify a belief in just about anything if that belief is based on tradition, reason, and/or experience. Jesus expressly forbade equating tradition with Scripture as part of the rule of faith, accusing the Pharisees of nullifying the Word of God for the sake of their traditions (Mark 7:6–13)
Once the Word of God is rejected as the only rule of faith and practice, the door to heresy is opened and the genie is not easily put back into the bottle.
While it may be argued that the writers of the gospels and the epistles were offering their views and interpretations as they wrote, this is not the same as the declarations of the popes and bishops of Catholicism or of men like Joseph Smith. The New Testament writers were moved supernaturally by the Holy Spirit, who is the ultimate Author of Scripture. The biblical writers “spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit” (2 Peter 1:21)
The Bible itself asserts that believers are indwelt by the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 6:19) who teaches, interprets, brings truths to mind (John 14:26) and guides us into all truth (John 16:13)
For evangelical Christians, the Word of God and its Author are the true rule of faith. This is not to say that preachers and teachers are unnecessary. But the doctrine of the sufficiency of Scripture is a cornerstone of the evangelical rule of faith.

9inches:
I see you are dodging my question, deliberately.

2nd question: Is the bible the only rule of faith?

Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 5:53am On Jan 07, 2018*

Well again and again let me explain it to you, this way-if its not in the Word of God, then its a lie-and if the Catholic's are preaching another doctrine-that doesn't line up with the Word of God-then the Catholic's are lying to God, and His people.
Problematic or unbiblical? Did God say we must make images above, on earth or under the earth? {Exodus 20:4}
Did He say we must pray "TO" Mary and the saints? {Matthew 6:6}
Does {John 20:23} mean that Catholic priests can forgive sins? "No" it does not.
"If you forgive the sins of any, their sins have been forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they have been retained," (John 20:23).
Context is king when interpreting scripture, and this is no exception. Let's take a look.
"When therefore it was evening, on that day, the first day of the week, and when the doors were shut where the disciples were, for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood in their midst, and said to them, “Peace be with you.” {20} And when He had said this, He showed them both His hands and His side.
The disciples therefore rejoiced when they saw the Lord. {21} Jesus therefore said to them again, “Peace be with you; as the Father has sent Me, I also send you.” {22} And when He had said this, He breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. {23} “If you forgive the sins of any, their sins have been forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they have been retained,” (John 20:19-23)
Where does it say in the bible God gave the priest the authority the gift to forgive sins? {Psalm 130:4, Mark 2:5}
The context of {John 20:23} is that Jesus was speaking to the disciples (19). He breathed on them to receive the Holy Spirit (22).
There is nothing in here about priests having the authority to forgive sins. There is nothing here (or anywhere else in the New Testament) about apostolic succession that says priests have the authority to forgive sins and that it is passed down.
And yet the priest claim the apostle Peter handed down this gift, to them-is Peter "God?
The Bible does mention appointing elders (Acts 14:23; Titus 1:5) and that the disciples of Jesus had special authority (Matt. 16:18)
It speaks of the laying on of hands to receive the Holy Spirit (Acts 8:19) as well as ordaining men to the ministry
(1 Tim. 4:14; 2 Tim. 1:6; Titus 1:5)
At best, the laying on of hands deals with ordination--not apostolic authority being passed down. After all, they were ordaining elders and not apostles; and it was the apostles who were given the authority by Christ to do miracles and write scripture. Nothing is said here about apostolic authority being passed down.
If the Catholic's believe God is God, then serve God, in Spirit and in truth....

9inches:
What aspect of the Catholic Church's teachings concerning the bolded above do you find problematic or unbiblical?

Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 6:02pm On Jan 06, 2018

It's like this, at the end of the harvest we remove the tares from the wheat..

Ubenedictus:
if your husband does not belief in the holy spirit, does not believe in his gift and is not fervent in Godly things then he is not a Catholic.

Catholics are bound by a rule of faith that require them to believe both in the holy spirit and in his charism, a good Catholic is fervent in Godly things. if your husband does not believe in the HOLY spirit then he isn't practicing the Catholic faith he is just going to a Catholic Church.

you need to start praying earnestly

Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 5:38pm On Jan 06, 2018*

9 inches is not the name I would call myself in the Christian forum-to be truthful I would think before I would name myself a name that will cause people to slide.. I am not against anybody in genial, I read my bible because I believe, I don't read books that doesn't concern the Written Word of God, and I don't chase after false doctrines, but only the Word of God I seek.
All believers in Christ should come to Him in one accord-we all should seek after Christ, only Christ and Him only we shall serve.
If the bible say's pray to the Father in my private place, then I pray directly to Him. I don't listen to a man made teaching paganism tradition, nor will I pray through Mary, nor the saints, before I go to the Father. When Christ have given me a direct line to Him, believing in Christ means we obey the written Word of God, I pray to the Father, in Jesus name {Hebrews 6:16}
{Matthew 6:9-13}Our Father, who art in heaven,
hallowed be thy Name, thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our trespasses,
as we forgive those, who trespass against us. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil.
For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever and ever. Amen.
Obeying the Lord is something I prefer to do, traditions from men, is something I prefer not to do. Man can not take me into heaven, man can not save me, 'No where in the bible does it say pray to another, other then the Father, it say's pray for one another-which we all do, in the name of Jesus.
Lukewarm is this, Christians, having one foot in the world, and the other foot in Christ, the highways or the narrow road! No-one can enter into the kingdom of God through a back door..
{Revelation 3:16} Because you are lukewarm-neither Hot {For God} or Cold {For God} I will spit you out of My mouth.
We are tested all day long-and are we connected to the vine, or did our branch break off..

9inches:
You should really get your mind out of the gutter. Why not ask me what my moniker means before insinuating.

What aspect of the Catholic Church's teachings concerning the bolded above do you find problematic?

Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 10:02pm On Jan 05, 2018*

I like your call sign 9 inches, you are either bragging about it, or you would like to have 9 inches?
You are right I haven't met a Catholic that can honestly say they know Christ, other then my wife, but I have met the people, who claim to be Catholic, and don't know Christ, I was also brought into the Catholic Church when I was young, and it's not the Catholic name brand I am seeking, it is the people who hide behind the name Catholic, "People who are claiming to love God, know God, and deny God at the same time.
I have search the net about the different literature's about different religions, but than it all comes back to the bible-who deny's it? Who worships and prays after another, what does the bible say, we pray directly to the Father in Heaven, who has the authority other then the Lord Jesus Christ? Who is our mediator between God and man..Whom do we seek.
Which of the Catholic's do I seek that claim the truth, the hole truth and nothing but the truth? If I was to say-I know Christ, do I follow another? Do I pray through Mary and the saints? Do I bow down to an image, is the Pope my god on earth? Do I seek a priest to forgive sins? Is this written in the bible, "Certainly Not" whom do you seek?

9inches:
You probably haven't met real Catholics. You have been dealing with "I was raised Catholic" individuals and I don't blame you for not knowing or understanding the teachings of the Catholic Church from the Church itself. My guess is you've been drawing your judgement off the Catholics you have encounters with.
It's 2018, digital age. You really don't have to google around too much to know Catholic Encyclopedia and Catholic, among some others, can provide you with every position of the Catholic Church. At times, Catholic interpretation of some teachings in the bible are more nuanced than an average bible only protestant would easily grasp or assimilate during argument. And that is the issue.

Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 9:05pm On Jan 04, 2018

{Romans 1-18-23} For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them.
For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—{Like the Pope, and like every other man that claims to be god's on earth}
Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator.

Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 8:56pm On Jan 04, 2018*

I agree on that too bro, but I also believe God can do miracles-I married a born and bread Catholic-one that had given Herself over to Christ-to become a born again Christian-as I believed-and later returned back to the Catholic Church, because she didn't want to leave her friends behind.
She told me the pentecostal's were to much for her, we preach the gospel like there's no tomorrow. {Thank God for that}
This is like, I am unevenly yoked? But I do believe God had not finished His work in her as yet-I don't believe she had given her life to Jesus because of me, Jesus said: By their fruit we will know them, and already I have seen signs-and wonders in her, she pray's directly to the Father, and she talks to Jesus, she sings and dances in worship for Jesus.
She speaks of Jesus as her Lord and savour. I haven't seen this much faith in Catholic's as much faith I have seen in my wife bro.
She go's through her spiritual battles, and the flesh fights against the spirit in many ways, she is struggling, against the spirit of the Church and against the Spirit of the Lord..
And I pray {Revelation 18:4, 2 Corinthians 6:17, Jeremiah 51:45} that someday the Lord will deliver her out of the Church that claims to be built upon Peter.

solite3:
my take on this is that a believer should not marry an unbeliever because of Spiritual issues.

Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 7:41pm On Jan 04, 2018

The Lord was speaking with me this morning=about the Church that built itself upon sin. The sickness of this all, is to claim the Catholic Church is the Mother Church of sin, {Jesus didn't build His Church upon sin-Peter was a sinner, He didn't build His Church on Peter the rock, The Rock isn't Peter, but the Word of God is the true foundation of the Rock, that stands-He built the Church on the Word Peter received from God, He didn't build His Church on Peter-it was the Word of God, Peter spoke, Jesus had built His Church upon.
{John 6:68} Simon Peter replied, "Lord, to whom would we go? You have the words of eternal life.
This shows even Peter agreed it's the Word of God that has eternal life.
{Matthew 16:16-18} Amplified Bible (AMP)
Simon Peter replied, “You are the Christ (the Messiah, the Anointed, the Son of the living God} "Then Jesus answered him, “Blessed happy, spiritually secure, favored by God are you, Simon son of Jonah {because flesh and blood of a mortal man did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven} And I say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock {Which is the Word of God} I will build My church; and the gates of Hades {death} will not overpower it {by preventing the resurrection of the Christ}
Islam, Buddhism and even atheism did not know God-So coming back to your Church is nothing to be proud off, they still don't know God-its a well knowing fact, Pope Francis is calling together a One World Religion.
As Pope Francis say's who is he to judge-denying the Word of God, he had allowed the spirit of Islam, the spirit of Buddhism and the spirit of the world to come together and worship different god's.
This is paganism-I suppose paganism is returning back to it's own vomit-some religions have statue god's, some have Mohammed, others have Buddhist the concept of gods, gods without a creator, most are atheist under the spirit of Satan.

cyrilamx:
Again in all faith of the world people have left and people have converted even to the faith others are leaving. Islam, Buddhism and even atheism have all one way welcome Christians convert so ur story about the woman is immaterial. What counts is the enduring nature of such conversion and when you talk about a faith that has stood the test of time, decimated, vilified but not destroyed, the Catholic Church is that very enduring institution which Christ found on Peter and promised the gate of hell can't prevail against. Matt. 16:16-18

cyrilamx:
Oga quoting one woman who lost her way is puerile. Do u know how many find their way back to the Church? Google coming home network...you will be amazed. Remember the entire pentecostal population even if though the are splinter group owned by one man and serving family interest is not up to the souls in the Catholic Church. 1.2 billions souls... ur hatred for the Church founded by christ can't help you..the Church had seen ur type who sworn to destroy her but they ar no more. Empires have risen against the Church but the prayers of Jesus always prevail.

European Megachurch Pastor Converts to Catholicism - World Religion News
www.worldreligionnews.com/.../europea...
20 May 2014 ... Megachurch pastor converts to Catholicism with announcement that ... Sweden, shocked his congregation by announcing his decision to ...

Also Google Prof Scott Hahn's conversion story. He was a former Presbyterian pastor and biblical theologian. Today he is a Catholic apologist.

Google the Coming Home Network and read a lot of converts from various pentecostal denominations to catholicism because having studied Church history, biblical exegesis, they came to the irrefutable truth that the Catholic Church with its age long existence and undivided unity and apostolicity is the one true Church of Christ.
Regarding your talk about Grace,Ephesus. 2:8-9, it seems you just quote without understanding the spirit of the passage u quoted. God has given every human grace to lead a life pleasing to him. But if u fail to cooperate with such grace will God still receive u into his kingdom? Grace isolated from one's good work, holy living can't save anybody. My friend faith without work so say the epistle of James is dead. James 2:25-26. Also the blessed apostle Paul admonished in his letter to philippians that we should work out our salvation in fear and trembling philippians 2:12-13. Again Matthew gospel shows us how the last judgement will be based on charity...good works. Matt.25:31-46. Why grace is a free gift, our good works are necessary for salvation. This was the error of Luther that faith alone is required which proteststant/pentecostals still propagate ...that why in his translation of the Bible into German, Luther excised the epistle of James because it was against his idea of Solar fidei-faith alone. The epistle of James which was written towards the end of ist century was to correct the misinterpretation of Paul's teaching that Christians are justified and saved by faith alone. While salvation is by grace, our own effort to lead a gud life in cooperation with that grace is essential. God has created us without our cooperation but he can't take us to heaven without our effort. Again in all faith of the world people have left and people have converted even to the faith others are leaving. Islam, Buddhism and even atheism have all one way welcome Christians convert so ur story about the woman is immaterial. What counts is the enduring nature of such conversion and when you talk about a faith that has stood the test of time, decimated, vilified but not destroyed, the Catholic Church is that very enduring institution which Christ found on Peter and promised the gate of hell can't prevail against. Matt. 16:16-18

Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 3:22am On Jan 04, 2018*

20 May 2014 ... Megachurch pastor converts to Catholicism with announcement that ... Sweden, shocked his congregation by announcing his decision to ...

Also Google Prof Scott Hahn's conversion story. He was a former Presbyterian pastor and biblical theologian. Today he is a Catholic apologist.

Scott Hahn's didn't know Christ in the first place..If he had knowing Christ he would have been saved in Christ, and he would not return back to his own vomit.
{Proverbs 26:11} As a dog returns to his own vomit, so a fool repeats his folly.{Fooliness}
A prayer by Scott Hahn's, who claimed to be a protestant>I greet you, ever-blessed Virgin, Mother of God, refuge of sinners, and Queen of the Universe. {If he knew the Lord-he would know we are to pray to our Father who are in Heaven} He continual's>Most loving Mother, attracted by your beauty, sweetness, and tender compassion, I confidently turn to you, and beg of you to obtain for me of your dear Son the favor I request in this novena: (mention your request).
Obtain for me also, Queen of Heaven and Earth, the most lively contrition for my many sins and the grace to imitate closely those virtues which you practiced so faithfully, especially humility, purity, and obedience. {If Scott Hahn's knew Christ, he would know Jesus is the only one to forgive sins} Above all, I beg you to be my mother and protectress, to receive me into the number of your devoted children,{Of the Devil} and to guide me from your high throne of glory.{If Scott Hahn's knew the Lord Mary doesn't sit on anybodies throne, not even her own, if she had one..}
Do not reject my petitions, Mother of Mercy! Have pity on me, and do not abandon me during life or at the moment of my death.
{Again if Scott Hahn's knew Jesus, he would know Jesus saves}
Accept this offering, sweet Queen of Heaven and Earth, and obtain for me from your dear Son, Jesus Christ, {If Scott Hahn's knew Jesus he would know we pray directly to the Father} the favors I ask through your intercession in this novena. Obtain for me also a generous, constant love of God, perfect submission to His Holy Will, the true spirit of a Christian, and the grace of final perseverance.
Amen. {But all in all Scott Hahn's doesn't know the Lord, because he was never saved to know Him}
{Proverbs 28:26} If you think you know it all, you are a fool for sure, real survivors learns wisdom from others.
And who is the one man that owns the pentecostal population? I don't believe you know his name? And which is the Church you claim I hate so much that's founded by Christ, in what way did Christ find your Church? Through Peter, is this not what the Catholic's believe? and what is my type who had sworn to destroy? And what is your prayers of Jesus always prevail, when you know yourself you pray directly to Mary and the dead saints?
I didn't realise I came to Christ through Martin Luther-the God whom I serve In my spirit is preaching the gospel of His Son {Romans 1:9}
But the spirit of Martin Luther isn't preaching to me about God and God isn't preaching to me about Martin Luther.
The problem is, the Catholic's always put man before God, and because of one man, that walked away from your Church-you crucify him just as much as you have crucified Jesus still up on the cross.

cyrilamx:
Oga quoting one woman who lost her way is puerile. Do u know how many find their way back to the Church? Google coming home network...you will be amazed. Remember the entire pentecostal population even if though the are splinter group owned by one man and serving family interest is not up to the souls in the Catholic Church. 1.2 billions souls... ur hatred for the Church founded by christ can't help you..the Church had seen ur type who sworn to destroy her but they ar no more. Empires have risen against the Church but the prayers of Jesus always prevail.

cyrilamx:
Oga quoting one woman who lost her way is puerile. Do u know how many find their way back to the Church? Google coming home network...you will be amazed. Remember the entire pentecostal population even if though the are splinter group owned by one man and serving family interest is not up to the souls in the Catholic Church. 1.2 billions souls... ur hatred for the Church founded by christ can't help you..the Church had seen ur type who sworn to destroy her but they ar no more. Empires have risen against the Church but the prayers of Jesus always prevail.

European Megachurch Pastor Converts to Catholicism - World Religion News
www.worldreligionnews.com/.../europea...
20 May 2014 ... Megachurch pastor converts to Catholicism with announcement that ... Sweden, shocked his congregation by announcing his decision to ...

Also Google Prof Scott Hahn's conversion story. He was a former Presbyterian pastor and biblical theologian. Today he is a Catholic apologist.

Google the Coming Home Network and read a lot of converts from various pentecostal denominations to catholicism because having studied Church history, biblical exegesis, they came to the irrefutable truth that the Catholic Church with its age long existence and undivided unity and apostolicity is the one true Church of Christ.
Regarding your talk about Grace,Ephesus. 2:8-9, it seems you just quote without understanding the spirit of the passage u quoted. God has given every human grace to lead a life pleasing to him. But if u fail to cooperate with such grace will God still receive u into his kingdom? Grace isolated from one's good work, holy living can't save anybody. My friend faith without work so say the epistle of James is dead. James 2:25-26. Also the blessed apostle Paul admonished in his letter to philippians that we should work out our salvation in fear and trembling philippians 2:12-13. Again Matthew gospel shows us how the last judgement will be based on charity...good works. Matt.25:31-46. Why grace is a free gift, our good works are necessary for salvation. This was the error of Luther that faith alone is required which proteststant/pentecostals still propagate ...that why in his translation of the Bible into German, Luther excised the epistle of James because it was against his idea of Solar fidei-faith alone. The epistle of James which was written towards the end of ist century was to correct the misinterpretation of Paul's teaching that Christians are justified and saved by faith alone. While salvation is by grace, our own effort to lead a gud life in cooperation with that grace is essential. God has created us without our cooperation but he can't take us to heaven without our effort. Again in all faith of the world people have left and people have converted even to the faith others are leaving. Islam, Buddhism and even atheism have all one way welcome Christians convert so ur story about the woman is immaterial. What counts is the enduring nature of such conversion and when you talk about a faith that has stood the test of time, decimated, vilified but not destroyed, the Catholic Church is that very enduring institution which Christ found on Peter and promised the gate of hell can't prevail against. Matt. 16:16-18

Christianity Etc › Re: The Pentecostal Church Verses The Catholic Church. by brocab(op): 2:47am On Jan 04, 2018*

I didn't come to Christ because of Martin Luther, nor because of some Church building, I come because God is faithful He had called me to have fellowship with His Son Jesus Christ.
The Church building is all it is, the body is the people of believers who come in as 'one with Christ.
{Galatians 5:19-25} Are the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy,outbursts of anger, disputes, and those who practices such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
But the deed of the spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
These are what I search for in a believer, I judge them by their fruit, for if they live according to the flesh they will die, but if by the Spirit you will put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live.
Not everyone that claims to be Christian, are living according to the Word of God, Christ like! {So don't let any one tell you that it was the work of the holy spirit unless we see the evidence} {1 John 5:3} In fact for this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments, and His commandments are not grieves.
Between the Protestants and the Catholic's, God test us all?
Did you read about the Parable of the Sower, Jesus identifies the ones who fall away as those who receive the seed of God’s Word with joy, but, as soon as a time of testing comes along, they fall away.
James says that the testing of our faith develops perseverance, which leads to maturity in our walk with God {James 1:3–4} James goes on to say that testing is a blessing, because, when the testing is over and we have “stood the test,” we will “receive the crown of life, which God has promised to those who love him” {James 1:12}
Testing comes from our heavenly Father who works all things together for good for those who love Him and who are called to be the children of God {Romans 8:28}
When we ask why God tests us or allows us to be tested, we are admitting that testing does indeed come from Him. When God tests His children, He does a valuable thing. David sought God’s testing, asking Him to examine his heart and mind and see that they were true to Him {Psalm 26:2; 139:23} When Abram was tested by God in the matter of sacrificing Isaac, Abram obeyed {Hebrews 11:17–19} and showed to all the world that he is the father of faith {Romans 4:16} In both the Old and New Testaments, the words translated “test” mean “to prove by trial.” Therefore, when God tests His children, His purpose is to prove that our faith is real.
Not that God needs to prove it to Himself since He knows all things, but He is proving to us that our faith is real, that we are truly His children, and that no trial will overcome our faith.
The point I am making here, isn't about a Church building, its the body that needs testing, By their fruit we will know them.. But it doesn't end there, I myself test myself with the Lord, I want to know my walk with Him is done in righteousness.
"I watch people all the time who claim to be Christian-and to be honest-many of them won't even see the kingdom of Heaven, we just need to turn the page and look a prosperity preacher preaches about Money in tithes and offerings, and the many followers, who call themselves Christians, and are not, What they claim to be, isn't always the truth, it doesn't matter what organisation they are from, their hearts are so far from Him, they don't know Him "And most of them are dried up seeds along the roadside, they are not connected to the vine, and their branches have falling off. "Test yourselves-and ask the Lord where you stand with Him..

Ubenedictus:
actually I know who told the Protestants to dissent and form factions, the Bible tells me.

gal 5:19

Now the deeds of the flesh are evident,
which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality,
idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy,
outbursts of anger, disputes, DISSENSIONS, FACTIONS.

the father of those things is the devil.

in fact the Bible warned Christians against the schisms which are the birth place of Protestantism.

1 Corinthians 1:10
Now I exhort you, brethren, by the name of our
Lord Jesus Christ, that you all agree and that
there be no divisions among you, but that you be
made complete in the same mind and in the same
judgment.

the Bible warned Christians to be on alert as regards these schism brewers.

Romans 16:17
Now I urge you, brethren, keep your eye on those
who cause dissensions and hindrances contrary
to the teaching which you learned, and turn away
from them.

in fact Jesus formed the Church as his body to prevent such divisions

he has so composed the body,
giving more abundant honor to that member which
lacked, so that there may be no division in the
body, but that the members may have the same
care for one another.

so don't let any one tell you that it was the work of the holy spirit.

Luther man his own Church because he had a guilty conscience and king Henry founded the Anglican Church cause he wanted to marry his concubine, from there all others started...

Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 9:26pm On Jan 03, 2018

{Ephesians 2:8-9} For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God, Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Pride is calm before the fall-This is one of the stories I have found on the net. Maybe you should be wondering why people are leaving the Church, and why they keep on leaving your beloved Church-and why couldn't this dedicated Roman Catholic woman, find Jesus inside the Catholic Church, Maybe the right answer to this question, is Jesus isn't in the Catholic Church in the first place, maybe this is why people are leaving the Church is because the Catholic Church doesn't teach the scriptures about how to accept Jesus into our hearts mind and souls?
listen to her story, she's writing your story 'about pride and self-righteousness.
Dear Tracy:
Seven people in my family have died over the past 2 years and I was searching for Him ... I could never find that lasting peace inside and I had always wanted Jesus in my life. So one day I typed in "Jesus" on the internet and found your web-site.
I have been reading your web-site for a long time, and at first I couldn't believe what the articles said about Roman Catholics, you know sometimes the truth hurts. I grew up Roman Catholic. But with time I decided to have a look at your articles ... and I couldn't believe my eyes. I never knew that Jesus had siblings! I was always taught as a little girl to read my catechism and the prayers (the prayer of absolution)... [The Roman Catholic church always referred to Mary as an "ever virgin." What a lie! So, I continued to read more articles and was shocked to find out what garbage I was believing in all these years. You see, I really never questioned anything...I just followed the crowd...your web-site was an eye opener.
All those years in the Catholic church I could remember praying and looking at the wall-size crucifix portraying a "dead" Jesus, and being so sorry that I could never measure-up because I always sinned. I remember crying and asking Him if he could truly show me how to get Himself in my life because I really didn't know how. Then one day, (as a result of studying your web-site), I bought an authorized King James Bible (all my life and I never even owned a bible) and turned to Ephesians and the verses that I read made me cry so hard because they were so sweet. The verses were "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and not of yourselves: it is a gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast." All these years, I thought I had to do something (to work harder, to be a better person) to merit eternal life...I cried and I still cry when I think of all the incredible love that Jesus had for everyone when he died...it was a precious gift. No other gift in this lifetime could ever equal His gift of unconditional, unselfish love.
When I got home, I cried and humbled myself and every bit of pride and self-righteousness I had crumbled. I admitted that I was a sinner and that I was so sorry for trying to work for eternal life and for being Roman Catholic (worshipping idols, eucharist). I repented of my sins and invited Jesus to be No. 1 in my life as my Saviour and King. The moment I received Jesus as my Saviour, it was like a 10,000 load of bricks were unloaded off my shoulders and I had finally found that lasting peace I was looking for! The hollow feeling inside me was filled.
Looking back now, all those years in the Catholic church...and He wasn't even there. Jesus' death on the cross didn't have any meaning to me in the Catholic church. It has incredible meaning to me now. Now, I know that Jesus paid the price for all of my sins (past, present and future). The Catholic church never taught me that! All they care about were their traditions and doctrines of men. I always was made to feel guilty and fearful.
I am looking forward now in a Brand New Life In Jesus Christ and I know that it is His Precious Blood that has freed me forever. I read His Word everyday and it speaks to my soul. I understand it, and my life has changed as a result. I'm not angry and resentful anymore, but it's like my soul is filled with His Love and a Calming Peace that I never knew existed and I thank Him everyday for his precious Gift of Eternal Life. My husband commented to me a couple of days later that my "heart was finally open."
The most puzzling question I had in my life is now answered. Jesus is more precious to me than anyone or anything in the world. Many times I ponder what depth of love God must have had ... to send his only begotten Son to die for sinners so they (whom receive Him as Saviour) could have eternal life and at the same time have their future sins forgiven. It is pure love, a love that knows no boundaries. This concept is still very new to me; it's beyond my comprehension...
A fellow sister in Jesus Christ,
Joanne
This is Just one story-coming out from the Catholic Church-you are playing the Blame games "calling Martin Luther is the key to break up the Church, once you know Jesus-this is how it is with Him-we don't need an organisation to tell us how to love Jesus, we just need Jesus. "And I have never heard or seen this love for Jesus inside the Catholic Church-so you better wake up, and ask yourself do you know Jesus?

cyrilamx:
Oga Jesus Christ founded a teaching Church and not a scripture reading Church. Infact even the scripture u wont to quote did say Christ did a lot of things that were not recorded. Do u think those things not recorded were lost when teachings were handed down by words of mouth? As scripture says the truth of Christ are both founded in sacred Tradition(word of mouth) and writing (sacred scripture) 2Thes. 2:15, these two sacred Tradition and sacred Scripture form the deposit of faith. No where in the Scriptures that say scripture alone is enough for our Rule of faith. Sola scriptura is an invention of Martin Luther, which sadly pentecostalism is founded on. Christ did not ask his disciples to start writing his acts while on earth, instead he taught them and ask same to go and teach others...the great commission. It was necessity that produced the books of the new testament because people started asking questions, wanted to know more about their faith. So please don't reduce the faith of Christians to something that must be reduced to writing. I only told you that Christ left authority to the Church through St. Peter, Matt 16:16-18, 1 Tim 3:15. The Church which is the mystical body of Christ is the pillar and ground of the truth. That why the Catholic Church exercising the power Christ bestowed on her was about to determine which of the several books in the early Church will form the new testament canons...you can see sacred tradition at work. Pentecostals claim they believe in the Scriptures yet can't agree in a particular interpretation of a passage resulting in splinter group. I still maintain the greatest coup against Christianity executed by the devil is protest of Luther which led to Protestant revolt against the high priestly prayer for unity by our Lord in John chapter 17. If you want to know more about the Church and it's teaching, eskew bigotry, get a copy of the Didach, read along with the Bible and see how the early Christians worship... the Mass tilted to catholicism you people have denounced. Be open minded.

Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 9:25pm On Jan 03, 2018*

{Ephesians 2:8-9} For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God, Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Pride is calm before the fall.

cyrilamx:
Oga Jesus Christ founded a teaching Church and not a scripture reading Church. Infact even the scripture u wont to quote did say Christ did a lot of things that were not recorded. Do u think those things not recorded were lost when teachings were handed down by words of mouth? As scripture says the truth of Christ are both founded in sacred Tradition(word of mouth) and writing (sacred scripture) 2Thes. 2:15, these two sacred Tradition and sacred Scripture form the deposit of faith. No where in the Scriptures that say scripture alone is enough for our Rule of faith. Sola scriptura is an invention of Martin Luther, which sadly pentecostalism is founded on. Christ did not ask his disciples to start writing his acts while on earth, instead he taught them and ask same to go and teach others...the great commission. It was necessity that produced the books of the new testament because people started asking questions, wanted to know more about their faith. So please don't reduce the faith of Christians to something that must be reduced to writing. I only told you that Christ left authority to the Church through St. Peter, Matt 16:16-18, 1 Tim 3:15. The Church which is the mystical body of Christ is the pillar and ground of the truth. That why the Catholic Church exercising the power Christ bestowed on her was about to determine which of the several books in the early Church will form the new testament canons...you can see sacred tradition at work. Pentecostals claim they believe in the Scriptures yet can't agree in a particular interpretation of a passage resulting in splinter group. I still maintain the greatest coup against Christianity executed by the devil is protest of Luther which led to Protestant revolt against the high priestly prayer for unity by our Lord in John chapter 17. If you want to know more about the Church and it's teaching, eskew bigotry, get a copy of the Didach, read along with the Bible and see how the early Christians worship... the Mass tilted to catholicism you people have denounced. Be open minded.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by brocab: 6:45am On Jan 03, 2018

This is a great video-for you viewers out there!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bf4pXHWwYCM

Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 6:42am On Jan 03, 2018

YOU WERE TRUTHFUL.
Oga, there in ones the problem.

1. I do not subscribe to those who follow men blindly in the name of Pentecostalism. It is wrong period.
2. You displayed your prejudice in a flagrant defense of things I did not mention talk less of accuse you of
3. (You biggest error yet). You disregard the scriptures, the very foundation of Christian doctrine and say there is no such thing as scriptural reference? And you seriously call yourself a Christian with that assertion? When Jesus, God incarnate Himself said to His interviewer “search the scriptures for in them you think you have eternal life”. You so flippantly disregard those same scriptures and expect to have a doctrinal debate?
On what basis? Other people’s opinions and thoughts ? Outside of scripture?
Check yourself bro.
You are out of order sir.

My simple comment was aimed at asking you to refute brocab’s assertions with corroborating scriptures the same way he gave scripture to back his leanings. You respond in both instances with opinions and I’m supposed to just accept it?

I think not sir

drphantom:
What I do sir

Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 3:04am On Jan 03, 2018

Have we all forgotten-Behave Like a Christian
{Romans 12: 9-21} Let love be without hypocrisy. Abhor what is evil. Cling to what is good.
{Verse 10} Be kindly affectionate to one another with brotherly love, in honor giving preference to one another;
{Verse 11} not lagging in diligence, fervent in spirit, serving the Lord;
{Verse 12} rejoicing in hope, patient in tribulation, continuing steadfastly in prayer;
{Verse 13} distributing to the needs of the saints, given to hospitality.
{Verse 14} Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse.
{Verse 15} Rejoice with those who rejoice, and weep with those who weep.
{Verse 16} Be of the same mind toward one another. Do not set your mind on high things, but associate with the humble. Do not be wise in your own opinion.
{Verse 17} Repay no one evil for evil. Have regard for good things in the sight of all men.
{Verse 18} If it is possible, as much as depends on you, live peaceably with all men.
{Verse 19} Beloved, do not avenge yourselves, but rather give place to wrath; for it is written, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,”[a] says the Lord.
{Verse 20} Therefore “If your enemy is hungry, feed him;
If he is thirsty, give him a drink; For in so doing you will heap coals of fire on his head.”[b]
{Verse 21} Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 1:23am On Jan 03, 2018*

A word for bchi:
I am also married to a Catholic-and she gave her life over to Christ, she became a born again Christian-she found her first love in Christ, as it seemed, for a while she was doing all the rights' but deep within she was more focus on the wrongs, she would listen more on the gossips, and involve herself in church with all the busybodies, judging others, that led her back to her own judgement in the Catholic Church.

You can't see this-of course not" she left the gossips in the Catholic Church and return back to them. I am sure If I had said my wife returned back into a Pentecostal Church, you would have kept quite-if she was involved in the AOG, or what Church she stood for, again, I would have mentioned it with flying colours, every church have their gossips and busybodies-but in your case-sadly my wife has her gossips and busybodies friends involved in the Catholic Church.
And if you had read below in the first place, you may of tried to understand my message to somebody looking for answers to there problem, I reacted to someones need, without getting myself involved.

It's not easy, but if you love somebody, the love in Christ can break down those walls between you both. And with your prayers, God can change anything.
Don't turn against God, turn more over to Him, because you need Him more then ever before.

Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 1:03am On Jan 03, 2018

Forgive me, and pray?

tonytony208:
Go back to your story and read it again. Then ask yourself if you didn't link that lady to gossiping because of her catholic faith. Make sure you read slowly this time around.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Pentecostal Church Verses The Catholic Church. by brocab(op): 12:58am On Jan 03, 2018

Hi Uben Merry Christmas-and I hope you had a happy new year..
Maybe the protestant separated themselves from the Catholic Church with good reason, have you ever thought what this good reason is?
The Holy spirit-directed the protestants out..
Haven't you wondered why there are so many Churches-that don't follow Catholicism? Do you believe the spirit of the Lord talks with people, "Have you ever heard from the Lord Uben?
You know uben-As a child I never knew the Lord-but now I am grateful I have found the Lord-where in the Church I couldn't find Him-but out of the Church I found Him.
This is not about the Church-this is about Christ and how many Christians claim to know Christ-and yet have walked away from Him. Who is in charge of the church? Jesus Christ is! It is His church; He bought it with His blood. The local church does not belong to the pastor, or the elders, or to the congregation.
It belongs to Jesus Christ who alone is the Head (Ephesians 1:20-23).
No one dare proclaim, “This is my church!” It doesn’t belong to any of us. It belongs to Christ the Lord. Never in the New Testament are the leaders of the local church referred to as “head” of the church.
Neither is the church viewed as a democratic organization, where the members are free to vote their own minds on issues.
The key question in church government is not, “What is the mind of the members?” but, “What is the mind of Christ?”
The Catholic Church focus only on how great their Church stands-how great is the Pope-and he is God on earth?
{2 Corinthians 2:13-15}1 had no peace in my spirit, because I did not find my brother Titus there. So I said goodbye to them and went on to Macedonia. "But thanks be to God, who always leads us triumphantly as captives in Christ and through us spreads everywhere the fragrance of the knowledge of Him. "For we are to God the sweet aroma of Christ among those who are being saved and those who are perishing.
Maybe Uben you should be asking "who" separated the protestants out from the Catholic Church..

Ubenedictus:
a rather simple answer, the Protestants separated themselves from the Church by sprouting new heresies they were excommunicated by the Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church for sprouting new heresies.

Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 12:10am On Jan 03, 2018

Firstly I wasn't linking everybody in the Church, I said gossips and busybodies in the Church, what you had done was taking it out wide-without thinking about it, you jump in looking for a fight, and more than that-It's always the same old story, as soon as someone mentions the Catholic Church-you run to your own defence, which of course makes me wonder if you are actually Christian-or Mafia, Typical.
Think about it, if you knew Christ, you would have a completely different attitude, you would try to understand why people say things against religious Churches, try studying a little-maybe there is truth, maybe finely the hidden agenda's are out in the open, and you were the last to know..
When someone talks about the Pentecostal Church, who cares-I read, and I watch the news, some Pentecost pastors are no different then the Catholic priest.. As far I am concerned-people don't do everything as planned-people make mistakes-but as soon as someone mentions Rome, hell breaks out in a sweat.

tonytony208:
Why would you link gossiping with Catholic Church as if being a Catholic is what makes her gossip? I don't know what is going wrong IN your marriage, but don't you think it is unreasonable of you to link the mishaps to the church your wife attends? Are there no gossipers and certified evil doers in your church?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 11:33pm On Jan 02, 2018

Now you have done it?

drphantom:
Oga, there in ones the problem.

1. I do not subscribe to those who follow men blindly in the name of Pentecostalism. It is wrong period.
2. You displayed your prejudice in a flagrant defense of things I did not mention talk less of accuse you of
3. (You biggest error yet). You disregard the scriptures, the very foundation of Christian doctrine and say there is no such thing as scriptural reference? And you seriously call yourself a Christian with that assertion? When Jesus, God incarnate Himself said to His interviewer “search the scriptures for in them you think you have eternal life”. You so flippantly disregard those same scriptures and expect to have a doctrinal debate?
On what basis? Other people’s opinions and thoughts ? Outside of scripture?
Check yourself bro.
You are out of order sir.

My simple comment was aimed at asking you to refute brocab’s assertions with corroborating scriptures the same way he gave scripture to back his leanings. You respond in both instances with opinions and I’m supposed to just accept it?

I think not sir

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