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Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Democrats Take Control Of Congress by budaatum: 12:16am On Dec 09, 2020
basilico:
Can't you be patient.Ill give up on this fraud when Joe Biden is sworn in.
I will not even post anything here to debate with IQs of below 70 any more
You? I don't believe you. 2024 and you'd still be here claiming maga won in '20!
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Democrats Take Control Of Congress by budaatum: 12:13am On Dec 09, 2020
stanech:
Hey not hiding just devastated
I can feel for you. And I admire your honesty at accepting the inevitable though I still wonder how you'd think a President who lost 300k Americans could possibly be reelected with that many vacant seats at the dinner tables in voters homes.

Do you think you can educate basilico please. It would be very appreciated. The way he's going, he'll vote for bubu's third term!
Christianity Etc › Re: If Nothing Can Exist Without A Creator, So What Created God? by budaatum: 12:04am On Dec 09, 2020
Martian:
F#ck Jesus for now. Tell us the other forms of logos.
Every written word, and all forms of text and media including here and even our discourse despite our disagreement. Or do you think no one learns from you?
Christianity Etc › Re: If Nothing Can Exist Without A Creator, So What Created God? by budaatum: 12:01am On Dec 09, 2020
Martian:
Jesus, a Jewish rabbi who was't Hellenized, wasn't working with Greek philosophy so why are you so excited that Paul and the authors of the bible were?
So what if they were influenced by Greek philosophy?. Education (for those who could afford it) during that time included Greek philosophy. What do you found so profound about this fact. Educate us with your behemoth of an intellect.
Actually, he was indeed working with Greek Philosophy, amongst others, which by the time of his birth extended to Egypt where he went to school. Still, I wonder why you'd think him freeing the text of his day from the temples in which it was kept and opening it up to the masses is not a commendable thing. Guess you might prefer if people were kept ignorant, or just don't know how dumb even you might have remained if religion had not spread education to where you are.
Foreign Affairs › Re: US Politics Today! by budaatum: 11:46pm On Dec 08, 2020
Foreign Affairs › Re: Joe Biden Transition Team Blocked From Pentagon by budaatum: 11:45pm On Dec 08, 2020
Christianity Etc › Re: If Nothing Can Exist Without A Creator, So What Created God? by budaatum: 11:42pm On Dec 08, 2020
Martian:
Logos as used in ancient greek philosophy could mean a number of things that's needless to get into here. Some ancient Greeks believed logos was the active reason pervading and animating the Universe. All Paul did was call it Jesus. What's some profound about that?
Philo did the same. Philo used logos to mean an intermediary divine being or demiurge, the so called first born of God.
I'm amazed you know this. Shows you know the author of John was working with known ideas, like Paul was, and Jesus, and the authors of the Bible.

An intelligent person would wonder why, but I guess that's not what you'd do, or perhaps you just haven't bothered yet. Do let me know when you have.

Foreign Affairs › Re: Joe Biden Will Not Be President by budaatum: 11:33pm On Dec 08, 2020
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Democrats Take Control Of Congress by budaatum: 11:25pm On Dec 08, 2020

Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Democrats Take Control Of Congress by budaatum: 10:58pm On Dec 08, 2020
basilico:
A witness saying the most secure voting system ( Designed and funded by Hugo Chavez and Maduro to steal repeated elections in Venezuela) did not have an internet connection that would allow remote access and/or manipulation.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1334593610231263247

Sit on your fat butts while evidence rises to a crescendo.
Seriously. You make me wish I could ban myself so I don't have to keep seeing how much gullibility is out there!

Why don't you go get evidence for this, or don't you know it will leave a trail which will be classified as irrefutable evidence?
Christianity Etc › Re: Emancipate Yourself From The Slavery Of Ignorance! by budaatum(op): 9:34pm On Dec 08, 2020
luvmijeje:
The story of Adam and Eve is a clear evidence that when it comes to religions we suspend all sense of reasoning. What do I mean?
Gen 3 : 4 - 5

You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman. 5 “For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”


Gen 3 : 1

Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made.

Let's go back Gen 1 : 28

God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”


Have anybody asked if we are indeed giving dominion over ever every living creature why is the Serpent more crafty than Adam and Eve?

If indeed the tree of good and bad leads to death how come the serpent lives and continue to live long after Adam and Eve has gone. The serpents who leads them continue to live while those who followed his lead have long died.

And none of the Pastors and the educated Church members questioned it?
It is indeed time to question if the pastors and members are educated.
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Democrats Take Control Of Congress by budaatum: 9:32pm On Dec 08, 2020
Gullah:
God is about to do something amazing. To those that have believed the promise and have been on their knees before God since November 3rd, do not faint but stand firm and see the salvation of the Lord. Watch out for very soon you will see the Hand of God doing a great thing and you will know that it is the Lord and not man that has done this. Shalom
Remain on your knees before God who already decided on November 3rd.
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Democrats Take Control Of Congress by budaatum: 9:05pm On Dec 08, 2020
basilico:
If Biden was cleanly elected ,why not allow nationwide audit.

Instead you have democrats as defendants pushing for case dismissal.
This is like asking me to be silent and not expose your alternative faux news!

See my response below!

Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Democrats Take Control Of Congress by budaatum: 9:01pm On Dec 08, 2020
basilico:
Let's wait for Ratcliffe report due in 45 days after election day on whether foreign agents interfered in the elections via citizen lobbyists or direct internet access to Dominion Systems that Chinese co-own.
Why should I wait for anyone to tell me, foreign agent buda, that I interfered in the election that I was here day in day out interfering in?

Goddamnit, basilico. I so love you for underestimating me. Did I not even raise the dead to help me interfere?
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Democrats Take Control Of Congress by budaatum: 8:58pm On Dec 08, 2020
basilico:
then why are democrats rushing to dismiss cases on technicalities?
One thing known for certain is, a person telling the truth does not need to lie.

Basilico, is it "democrats rushing to dismiss cases on technicalities" or the courts telling you your 'evidence' is nonsensical rubbish and you have no case?
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Democrats Take Control Of Congress by budaatum: 8:38pm On Dec 08, 2020
Dapcity007:
...


Supreme court on religious activity during pandemic science thrown out
Throw this out, lol

https://twitter.com/hemantmehta/status/1336308939072315393?s=19

Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Democrats Take Control Of Congress by budaatum: 8:19pm On Dec 08, 2020
basilico:
If you understand why Texas has gone direct to the SCOTUS , you should see the game plan.
All lower level judges have thrown out 50 cases on technical issues.
Texas is saying 4 states broke the constitution by using courts to change election laws instead of the legislature of the state.That is a fact.
Texas also says as a result of this arbitrary last minute changes whether approved by state supreme courts, the constitution says only state legislatures can change the laws especially regarding the electoral.
Titanic battle.
Don't forget Joe Biden led a senate judiciary committee to prevent Clarence Thomas from ascending to the SC.And he will determine whether Texas suit gets a hearing. Joe Biden bogus committee did not want him because he uses the constitution to guide his decisions.
Joe Biden wanted a Judge to interpret the constitution as per modern trends ...eg on Twitter trends!!

That's why I keep saying, Biden can be sworn in, but there is a chance he might not
Sounds like what you are saying is despite "Joe Biden led a senate judiciary committee to prevent Clarence Thomas from ascending to the SC", Judge Clarence Thomas will still "use the constitution to guide his decisions".

I must say, its funny how you fail to see that you are claiming Judge Clarence Thomas will not do what Joe Biden said he might do, which is "interpret the constitution as per modern trends ...eg on Twitter trends".
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Democrats Take Control Of Congress by budaatum: 8:12pm On Dec 08, 2020
basilico:
The only date cast in the constitution is Jan 21. Or is it Jan 20? In 1824 it went past that.
I read somewhere that it was till March.
I know they don't teach you history at Faux News so here's some quality education for you.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/history-change-tradition-inauguration-day/story?id=44829663

Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Democrats Take Control Of Congress by budaatum: 8:08pm On Dec 08, 2020
basilico:
I'm resigned that Biden may be sworn in.
I'm not sure that he will.
This your confusion must be confusing even you!

Which is it basilico, are you "resigned that Biden may be sworn in" or are you "not sure that he will"?
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Democrats Take Control Of Congress by budaatum: 8:03pm On Dec 08, 2020
basilico:
If you understand why Texas has gone direct to the SCOTUS ,
I know someone who seems to know better than you do but I'm certain you would not ever take his word for it.

Crime › Re: Youth Leader Mercilessly Flogged In Public For Raping A Young Girl In Delta(Pix) by budaatum: 7:54pm On Dec 08, 2020
NgwalandAba:
No but afonjas committed the crime na.they must be deported.
So, the rapist was an afonja? Mind showing how you got to this conclussion please?
Christianity Etc › Re: If Nothing Can Exist Without A Creator, So What Created God? by budaatum: 7:52pm On Dec 08, 2020
Martian:
In this Kingdom of Heaven, are you going to be a noble or a serf?
I am what I am now in my own Kingdom of Heaven.

Martian:
That is not a good example. WTF?? Dr. Fauci depends on variables and assumptions while prophecy is from or inspired by "god", no calculations needed. Use better examples and quit your equivocation and lies already.
You are simply showing the limits of your understanding, Martian, and think prophecy must be what Oyhakilome tells you it must be while I am asking you to elevate your mind to see it as what Dr Fauci does rather very effectively.

Try harder please. You are capable.

Martian:
I find it remarkably easy to identify equivocating charlatans. That'd be you.
And perhaps I give you far too much credit in your ability to comprehend.

Martian:
Yes, you did. But you speak out both sides of your mouth so you're probably confusing yourself.
Mind signposting to it please? You do not need to merely assert when you can easily provide evidence, and thankfully, it is written and you can signpost to it so we can easily clear up who is confused and has two sides to their mouth.

Martian:
Yes, "you guys" because you all take different roads to the same dead end. You fancy yourself "wise and intelligent" but at the end of the day, you're high just like the righteouness89, Dtruthspeaker, openyoureyes, jesusjnr, etc.
But you're not like Olaadegbu. That one is a step below an animal.
I think that with the exception of perhaps Dtruthspeaker all those you mention would gladly and delightfully inform you that in their own opinion buda will burn in the hottest regions of hell while they go to heaven but perhaps you have not be here long enough or just don't have the intellect or ability to tell the difference.

Martian:
Yeah people move seamlessly from speaking figuratively to speaking literally but your arbitrary designation of literal and figurative speech is the problem.
As I said, I have faith in your ability to tell the difference. Just try being responsible for your lack of understanding. Once you assume the error is your's, you'd find the strenght to correct it.
Christianity Etc › Re: If Nothing Can Exist Without A Creator, So What Created God? by budaatum: 7:37pm On Dec 08, 2020
Martian:
The bible is combination of jewish history, legends, and mythology with graeco-roman philosophy. Gods are figments of man's imagination and fears.
Quit patting yourself on the back. You're acting like Paul. grin
First, thanks for the compliment, since you describe Paul as "eloquence of a gifted lawyer", which I'm certain you'd agree requires much effort.

I agree that "God's are figments of man's imagination", though not necessarily "fear", at least not for everyone, but human understanding, as limited as it is often. If you search through my posts you'd see me call the understanding of some "the crap they create inside of their heads and believe is true", which is the only place that Gods exist.

Please allow me:

The bible is combination of jewish pseudohistory (as there really is little in it that can accurately be called history as research has shown), legends, and mythology with graeco-roman and Babylonian and Egyptian, and the philosophy of all that surrounded them of which the Bible is syncretised from, and which is what makes it a rather valuable book.

Martian:
I didn't say Jesus was a form of the logos nor that the logos is real, and I doubt Plato was thinking about some itinerant Jewish preacher when he came up with his logos. In my opinion, the theory of forms is nothing more than ascribing existence to adjectives regarding human affairs, while ignoring the opposite of the adjective. It's high faluting nonsense.
Then forgive me for ascribing knowledge to you that you lack.

Perhaps go study some Plato to learn how Paul dumbed down Plato for the masses and you'd see why Jesus is described as a form of Logos. You may also come to understand why it is said "In the beginning was the Logos" which became flesh in Jesus. After all, it would be rather ridiculous, I would think, to claim the Bible is not a book written in words, and both, the Bible and the words in it, do obviously exist.

Martian:
e.g. Proponents assert an ideal form of Justice but never assert the opposite, the ideal form of injustice. I mean, if there is an ideal form of beauty, there should be an ideal form of ugly instead of imperfect of forms of beauty that is said to exist in reality.
There is not an ideal form of justice, Martian, or at least humans have not yet found one despite all the assertions of proponents. Justice, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder which is why it varies according to location. An example is homosexuality. Police will arrest you for being gay in Nigeria, but you will be arrested for insulting a gay person in UK, which shows that what is just varies wherever you are. Some things are clearly just or not though. If you shoot me dead without a justifiable reason like self defense, you'd go to jail almost everywhere.

That said, just as there is an ideal Fruits of the Spirit, is there also its opposite called the Works of the Flesh as described in [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Galatians%205%3A19-21&version=KJV]Galatians 5:19-21[/url]

Martian:
In religiospeak it could also mean without "Ahura Mazda one would be banished to a state of non-being". You would probably be saying something similar if Palestine had been occupied by the Assyrians or Persians instead of Romans.
Perhaps you are right. After all, if I were born in Saudi Arabia I'd likely be able to express myself better in Arabicspeak than my first speak which I use here, but hopefully, the sentiment and reasoning will be the same since I learnt that through much study, which you will find Jesus did too.

Martian:
Which explains the high correlation between religiosity and suffering.
I can't say I agree with your assertion above. In UK, for instance, where there happens to be a church in every parish and which is religious though not worn on a sleeve, one would not say there is "the high correlation between religiosity and suffering" that you claim there is. In fact, the opposite would be said and evidence provided for it too. Same goes for America, at least going by the number of people who would gladly jump out of the hell they describe Nigeria as being into the heaven they think America is.

Martian:
You said the bible is figurative earlier and you have the "wisdom and intelligence" to understand. A simple man like me would say Paul's Road to Damascus experience is akin to the Joseph Smith's experience with the golden plates.
I guess I'm not simple, and in fact, the over a thousand page Bible isn't either or we would not be arguing about its complexity.

I never said the "Bible is figurative", Martian. I am rather too careful with my words than to make such an ignorant sweeping statement. There is after all no way to claim "thou shalt not kill" or "thou shalt not covet thy neighbours wife and goods", is meant figuratively. Or is it to you?

Martian:
It's jewish stories, greek stories, letters of Paul to greeks and romans, and the batshit crazy Book of Revelation. It's Paul's letter to members of the new jewish religious sect in the city of Corinth.
This does not stop one from reading and learning from it unless your claim is it has to specifically be written to buda for buda to read and learn from it.

Do note that Plato was not writing to me in Nigeria and I'd be stupid to use that as my excuse to not read it.

Martian:
This doesn't explain anything about acting as if God exists or doesn't exist.
To you it might not, but I feel certain that you are insufficiently arrogant to assume that Martian's understanding must be everyone else's. Besides, the existence of very many people seeing it different would suggest not everyone sees as you do. Or will you claim the fear of going to hell does not make some chose to do good as opposed to doing evil?

Martian:
Am I supposed to take the excerpt below seriously? By the way, is it figurative or "The Holy Book of Truths"?
I would like to think you'd take our conversation serious or I'd have to wonder why you are wasting your resource of time and intellect on it. Kindly find it in you to forgive me if I have erred in my assumption.

How one reads and understands a book would determine if it's true or not, I would think, and is the point of that thread. I for instance, can not accept the understanding of some that the God described in the Garden of Eden was a good God since it seems to be promoting an alimanjeri creating ideology, while most responders, though not said yet, would accuse me of worshipping the serpent.
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Democrats Take Control Of Congress by budaatum: 6:19pm On Dec 08, 2020
ono:
One idea I agree with - so far.
Of course you will agree. Or do you seriously think we do not see that your love for trump is based on you desire to destroy America just as I bet you would love to destroy Nigeria?

budaatum:
On Nigeria and Biafria. The former has to be destroyed for the latter to exist, unfortunately, which makes Biafria advocateurs destroyers who need Nigeria to fail so Biafria exists. They need Nigeria to be a zoo so they make it a zoo themselves by contributing nothing to Nigeria's success, which is rather stupid of such people because you can't be busy destroying with one hand and hope to build with the other. Personally, I can't decide which is worse between such people and boko haram.
Crime › Re: Youth Leader Mercilessly Flogged In Public For Raping A Young Girl In Delta(Pix) by budaatum: 6:13pm On Dec 08, 2020
NgwalandAba:
It's time we restrict the afonjas in Igbo land.
Are Deltans afonja to you?
Christianity Etc › Re: If Nothing Can Exist Without A Creator, So What Created God? by budaatum: 6:08pm On Dec 08, 2020
Martian:
No, you guys are prone to equivocation so I have to include "needless" words to tease out whatever you mean. You can always cancel the needless words.
"You guys"? Personally, I think you are insufficiently unintelligent to lump us all together, but perhaps you are not aware that not all who say "Lord Lord" will enter the Kingdom of Heaven, and that teeth gnashing is an option. I'll continue to study your fruits before concluding, I guess.

Martian:
Have you ever heard an angel speak? What is an angel?
I have never heard an angel speak, neither wisely or foolishly, intelligently or stupidly, so I have no idea what you're talking about.
No, I have never heard an angel speak. But neither have I heard a Martian speak, yet here I am talking to one, and I bet in due time if I am patient enough I'd be able to determine if its a wise or foolish Martian.

Martian:
Don't be duplicitous because it violates the principle of the "tongue of angels". Prophecy is not statistical model projection. I'm not even going to indulge you in this stupidity.

e.g. election projections on MSNBC is not the same as election prophecy from Pastor f#cking Chris Oyayhkinonsense.
"Prophecy is not statistical model projection", to you and perhaps to your "Pastor f#cking Chris Oyayhkinonsense", but I have carefully chosen the example that illustrates my point and suggest you understand my meaning instead of claiming I do not mean what I wrote!

Martian:
Are you sure he doesn't mean it literally? Below, you claim it's literal that he knows all.
Martian, please know that I sometimes find it difficult to determine the difference between a liar and a person who just does not understand, but I do in the end.

I never made the claim you accuse me of making, but just so we are clear, Paul could not possibly have known all because there is far too much to know for anyone to know all.

Martian:
Okay. He moves seamlessly from speaking figuratively to speaking literally...........or maybe you assign whatever meaning you want like they rest of your cohorts.
There you go again with your "you guys" as if it's so difficult to see us as the individuals that we are.

Please note that most people "move seamlessly from speaking figuratively to speaking literally", and its an art to know when to move. You'd know this from Plato's Forms where he mixes both. And you will know, or at least I have faith in that you will know when one goes off tangent and starts making crap up with no basis for it.

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