₦airaland Forum

givedemwotowoto:
You're right about the possibility of Republicans losing seats – because nobody is certain what will happen, but inflation is low at 2.7%, unemployment is at 4.4%. Why do you think Americans will vote against the people they voted for in the last election just because they don't like his rhetoric and style of immigration enforcement, and some foreign policy rhetoric?

Inflation is low at 2.7%, lol, is like Tinubu telling you Nigeria is doing great.

https://wolfstreet.com/2025/12/18/todays-doctored-cpi-inflation-release-is-like-a-bad-joke-but-very-serious-though-it-suits-the-administrations-narrative/

But we shall see who US Americans will vote for at the midterms in November and return to discuss it here.

triplechoice:
Nigeria is not the only country in the world whose citizens follow the Bible or the Quran. It has not stopped the development of many others.

I think you type more than you read. You wouldn't bother saying this to me if you had comprehended I wrote:

"I never said "Christianity is the cause of underdevelopment" in Nigeria, because that is just a stupid thing to say, considering Christianity is not the only religion in Nigeria, and the fact that Britain and the West, that some would say is developed was very Christian in its past."

You not hearing makes it tedious conversing with you.

jaephoenix:
Astute
Which city in the UK are you in?

Lewisham. My birth borough.

You?

Validated:
Trump cannot be impeached, Republicans are in charge of the senate. In fact after Trump, Marco Rubio is on queue to finish what Trump starred.

I hope you know there's midterm elections in November 2026.

If the Republicans lose seats in the House and Senate, which can happen ............. .

A simple search shows Kremlin says. And as much as I hate dump and wish this were true so I can ridicule him some more, even I can't just believe dump is so dumb. So I'll wait for credible confirmation, thank you very much, and hope some of you will too.

Again, dump is dumb!

triplechoice:
You claim you never blamed Christianity, yet your entire argument was built on exclusively Christian examples, praying for daily bread, seeking priests for healing Instead of doctors, citing the Bible indirectly. You did not for once reference Islamic practice or the Quran ...

Sorry Triple, but if my mentioning Islam and the Quran and even traditional religions is insufficient for you I can not help you any further.

Kaczynski:
Holocaust was not real.

All these are mere attempts by Jews to brainwash everyone on this planet.

Did the Jews also kill themselves to brainwash everyone on this planet too, or is it that no Jews were really killed?

I ask because I disapprove of Israel's holocaust in Palestine, and to see how your mind works.

Axis313:
Know that your mother tongue is in danger of extinction when you started thinking in foreign language.

I think in English, as it was my first language. Mo le sọ Yoruba too, and can read and write it to an extent, so I can't agree that not thinking in Yoruba means Yoruba is in danger of becoming extinct.

In fact, you remind me of when I learnt my mother tongue by translating the songs of Ebenezer Obey at 7.

Guess which one, lol.

What shall I make of this world, I don't understand.
What shall I make of this world, I don't understand.
World clean clean. World clean clean.
This world is hard.

And yes, I too laugh at my own translation of aye toto, lol.

vaxx:
Yes being a polyglot speaks intelligence. Particularly when is about learning viable languages ( English, mandarin and Arabic. This three language are currently feasible and can work out in practice.

Me? Polyglot? I do so wish, as I'm actually limited to only two.

I do read a bit of English translations of German texts, and can not fail to see how so much more developed German thought is than English. Just being able to read Kant and Heidegger and Jung in German would have immensely pleased me, but I'm left reading English translations. It would have been worse however, if I were monoglotted to read only my mother tongue, as that would definitely have left me with not so much knowledge since no one has bothered translating Jung and Kant and Heidegger into Yoruba yet.

If I were to start all over, German is a language I'd have learnt, along with the three you mention plus Igbo and Hausa too, and Latin. Unfortunately, as it is, I'm just far too lazy to bother now.

budaatum:
I do not however agree that a religion like Christianity and Islam or even our traditional worship can not be suppressed, so education is the way to go, as it would significantly inform individual choice. And that suppression will involve limiting where religion is preached (and taught), hence definitely not in the education system.

Triplechoice, I have corrected my previous, as indicated above.

Religion can not be suppressed, and should not be suppressed. I express this view when some claim Islam is being imposed on Nigeria. How the imposers intend to eliminate Jesus worship amuses me.

Our religious understanding does however need to evolve. And one sort of evolution in understanding is in seeing Eve using her senses as Eve doing science, as in using her own senses to critically check if eating fruits of knowledge kills, which in my own understanding makes her the first scientist, though I know she never really existed.

And yes, the Bible also has it written in it that knowledge does not kill (as does the Qur'an) despite it also claiming it would kill Adam if he acquired it. It is such contradictions that make the holy books so valuable for me, because they should make inquisitive minds wonder.

triplechoice:
You came into this discussion late hence the reason you are making the same fundamental errors like jaephoenix..

I hope you are aware the entire conversation is still there for anyone to read from the beginning, which I did.

I never said "Christianity is the cause of underdevelopment" in Nigeria, because that is just a stupid thing to say, considering Christianity is not the only religion in Nigeria, and the fact that Britain and the West, that some would say is developed was very Christian in its past. What UK has that Nigeria has little of is the promotion of critical thought, which is a subject taught from primary school here, and could be said to have replaced religious belief. Religious belief has in fact been eliminated from the public sphere, and is a very private thing here. Critical thought, as opposed to belief, is what brought on the age of enlightenment, and which is what we would like introduced (more) in Nigeria.

The Bible and the Quran both have it written in it that one should work for ones food too, but it is not unusual for many to beg for their daily bread, which just shows that being religious doesn't mean they follow what their holy book says. If people did, atheist me would be promoting the religions because the books are precious to me.

I do not want to suppress anyone's religion however, and it is not suppressed here, though it historically has been. Catholicism was prohibited in UK I'd have you know, with cathedrals literally stripped and torn down. And the Catholic Bible was banned from England, hence the King James Version. The religion that was promoted to replace it, though still Christianity, was cleansed of a lot of beliefs that were not welcomed here. The Church of England does not even require belief, which is why you'd find atheist me in a church. The fruit of ones actions are valued more, and is why predominant Christian London, if any religion can claim predominance in London, elected a Muslim as mayor three times.

If Nigeria wants to progress, it must abandon a lot of the beliefs it holds dear (some of which is a lack of understanding of the religious books and the plastering of what is thought to be Islam and Christianity over our pre-christian/islam ideology). We must read the books with an inquisitive mind instead of just believing what we think we understand is written in those books

As far as health goes, it might help if we build more hospitals instead of religious temples. And we can go futher by teaching healthy lifestyles from primary school instead of leaving our health to the gods.

I have ignored your allegations and accusations because they are just your own biases, note. I am not here to score points, because it is foolish to ignore our common ground, which you intelligently expressed and which I have included below.

triplechoice:
The only way to diminish its influence over public life is to outcompete it with better ideas, through education, critical thinking, and tangible improvement in quality life.

This is how UK suppressed (if one may use that word) religion, though it did include steps like abolishing preaching in schools too.

always247:
im talking about Nigerian women

And I'm talking about women, generally.

always247:
you are wasting your time. everywhere in the world a woman will chose rich man first anytime. the world is designed for the majority to be poor so the majority of women will be poor and will try to be with a rich man. looking for a rich man to marry is also a business.

I am indeed wasting my time with you, and wouldn't if you were the only person reading my posts.

Lazy ignorant people are the ones who think the world is designed for them to be poor. The smart ones amongst us know we will eat if we sweat from our brows, so we sweat from our brows instead of expecting our daily bread to come from some rich man's pocket.

always247:
you talk about you, we talk about the vast majority of women outthere

Your "outthere" is most definitely not my own 'out there'.

The vast majority of women out there where I live do not hope to acquire a money man for their livelihood, and those who do know they must bring a brain to the bedroom, which makes me think it is you men in your "outthere" who have this money mentally, when the fact is you only attract the very low hanging fruit, or rather, ill educated women.

triplechoice:
So, let me restate the core debate.

Does suppressing religion cause a country's development, and is Nigeria's underdeveloped because it has failed to restrict or totally remove religion?

From my own reading, it is you who sees the core debate as you've expounded.

Nigeria's underdevelopment is due to bad ideology, and that ideology is religion based, which is why some go to a priest for healing instead of to a qualified doctor, and pray for their daily bread instead of seeking it with the sweat of their brow.

I do not however agree that a religion like Christianity and Islam or even our traditional worship can not be suppressed, so education is the way to go, as it would significantly inform individual choice. And that suppression will involve limiting where religion is preached (and taught), hence definitely not in the education system.

Less than 10 million voted for Tinubu in the last election, and about 20 million voted in total. So yes, he can win if Nigerians get off our asses and vote for a change from APC and Tinubu. But I guess we might be satisfied with the status quo and be too irresponsible to go and vote for change.

Pity is, some will wail after the election they refused to participate in just as they are wailing right now.

maasoap:
Lol. Just be rich and your assurance level go reach 99% success rate

Rich might be desirable, but just earning what I need might be satisfactory enough so I don't need to go seek some man for my daily bread.

always247:
who wants to suffer while there is shortcut for women? women will keep seeking financial security from men till the day the world will end

Some parents (and most intelligent people) don't rely on shortcuts. They start educating their daughters (and children) very early because thay are wisely aware it is a long run to be successful, and they don't settle for the shortcut to begging.

maasoap:
I hope you know the difference between "what it is" and "how ought to be"? He is saying what it is, while you're saying how ought to be

I hope you know that "what is" for him might not be "what is" for me.

My initial post did after all include what my own mother would have done if her son did what those kids did, and my mother is not his mother.

benalvino3:
I am not supposed to understand your delusions and you guys have a site to gather your delusions now. You now share delusion 🤣😂

You and I need to settle our matter with a game of chess.

Of course it must seem like delusions to you. It's not as if I'd expect a person who claims "maths is racist" to think otherwise. But ever since you said you were not alive during Buhari 1.0, I have tempered my annoyance at you as it explains your limitations.

As for chess, you are welcome. I can see how that might improve your thought process and understanding level.

https://m.gameknot.com/stats.pl?budaatum

EBEk101:
If you are chasing your own financial independence, then bravo to you, a lot of your gender chase financial security through a man with the big bag instead of building it themselves.

I think that's because people like you wouldn't value your daughters and educate them like you might your sons. If you educate your daughters to make their own money they wouldn't be chasing "a man with the big bag".

Dtruthspeaker:
Depending also on time, place, mood and her Plan

And her education to make intelligent choices.

benalvino3:
9 out of 10 times what you post from this site isn't the case but okay.

I know you don't understand anything posted from that site so I don't post it for your consumption.

Konkoja:
https://youtube.com/shorts/HZG80PEayFA?si=_XdnKNZ62iSnMz5C


Keep supporting and rationalizing evil, it will soon reach you when they are through with the Somalis and the Latinos.

I can imagine the bs on here yelling "deport him".

This is for those who think dump forcing a fed rate cut can reduce US debt interest payments. It's the same silly logic that makes him think he can reduce credit card interest rates, which is not dissimilar to a Mamdani restricting how much rent I charge for the house I let in New York or how much I sell my gari in Obada market.

https://wolfstreet.com/2026/01/17/us-government-sold-665-billion-of-treasuries-this-week-10-year-treasury-yield-spikes-to-4-24-highest-since-sep-2-despite-3-rate-cuts/#comments

vaxx:
Budaatum what do you think. This is my debate with a coworkers of mine who was trying to discourage English language.

Happy birthday!

I bet your coworkers were arguing in English, lol.

I don't see why English should be discouraged, and actually think it is silly to try. Here in UK, students are encouraged to learn multiple languages instead, which is much more beneficial than learning only one language.

I had my nieces over for Christmas and was teaching the youngest to read in English, and had to teach her Yoruba ABD to help with her pronunciation.

EBEk101:
What manner of fuckery is this
Women will always put financial security first before any of those.

And putting "financial security first" is the reason our (some) parents educate us so we can go earn our own finances instead of seeking financial security in some man, don't you think?

Or do you think I'd secure my own finances and still be looking for financial security in some man?

triplechoice:
This is why the solution is not to ban the current vehicle, (religion) , but to disable the mechanism by empowering people with education, critical skills and immediate access to information. Once must people in Nigeria can think for themselves, no vehicle of control, religious, political, or otherwise, can operate as effectively.

I do not think a country can ban a dominant religion like Christianity and Islam. Some countries where they were not dominant (China, Japan) tried it at some point or the other and failed. Besides, knowledge of UK (and world) history would be incomplete if one does not understand the role religion has played and currently plays in the British society.

Its not like we can ban church and mosques for those who want to go there. Its preaching must however be restricted in schools as it is in UK schools, and is a reason many (Nigerian) youths leave the church their parents force them to attend as soon as they depart for university, as it is not easy to convince children who have been taken to see dinosaurs in the museum that some god created the heaven and earth in six days then rested.

The battle is between those who want people to not be empowered and those who do want to empower people, and that does indeed involve increasing access to information and teaching to think critically, which would involve restricting the preaching of (Nigerian type) religion to some extent as has been done in UK schools.

P.S. I specifically used the word "preaching" to delineate it from 'teaching' about. It is a confusion you made about my action regarding a morc, where you thought I was preaching (to grow a congregation) when I was actually teaching (and providing information) so most don't waste their money. The same sort of teaching, in schools, as opposed to preaching, is emptying UK churches. Though on that note, please read kayjordan's detailed opposing view.

triplechoice:
Before you educate another, go through the link and educate yourself first that the UK policy "bans " teaching creationism in science classes. No policy bans the "preaching of religion" outside that context. In fact, religious studies, learning about faiths, remains compulsory subject in UK schools.

"Religious studies" in UK is indeed "learning about faiths", as in, learning about all faiths, such that a religious knowledge teacher should not favour one faith (or religion) over any other faith, and 'no preaching' (calling students to any one faith) should occur in the teaching.

It is very not like the religious education as taught in Nigeria where a Muslim school may teach only Islam and a Christian one only Christianity. Such students will fail Religious studies GCSE in UK.

Below is a pdf for Religious studies
GCSE subject content.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5a80f307e5274a2e87dbcba1/GCSE_RS_final_120215.pdf