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As trade tensions between the United States and China continue to loom and the U.S. threatens 25% tariffs on $250 billion of Chinese imports as well as tariffs on imports from other countries like Vietnam and India, retailers will eventually show signs of weakness especially as they begin to report second-quarter earnings.

It sounds to me like you want an argument instead of reasoning together. Sorry, but today is a day of Thou shalt not sin against the Holy Spirit.

OLAADEGBU:
"For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ" (John 1:17).

Truth is not a concept, it is a Person, and His name is Jesus. There is no contradiction in the Bible if you insist then point them out.

OLAADEGBU:
More quotes from the father of all scientists, Albert Einsten said:

"In the view of such harmony of the cosmos which I, with my limited human mind, am able to recognise, there are yet people who say there is no God. But what makes me really angry is that they quote me for support of such views." (The Expanded Quotable Einstein, Princeton University Press, page 214).

Do you need more?

More what? Are you arguing whether there is God

solite3:
yes you put in effort to understand some teachings in the bible. But when it comes to salvation no effort. Just faith alone.

Faith, my dear friend, requires work. It takes a lot of work to have faith especially if you have no evidence for said faith.

solite3:
soory this your write up is pointless to my previous post. Read it again Albert slowly this tine.

You can't expect to get a point if you do not put in any effort is precisely the point we've been making all along. You will not understand by your faith alone!

Work harder and you just might see the point.

Damod88:
U must be a joker to have said Nigeria can do much better than China. How on earth do you compare a country of more than 5 thousands years of history with a country that only began to record its history with the coming of the Europeans?

Hey! America, baby America has done pretty well, so why can't we?

urahara:
What you should know is that china achieved such growth rates because of foreign capital .Foreign capital
in such large amounts thatt the u.s and Western European countries never had access to.

Where did China's foreign capital come from?

Why did foreigners decide to put their capital in China?

Regarding Einstein, a single quote of his does not do him justice. He never took Scripture as literally true. I reserve my comments on Paige Patterson.

There is no dispute about Scripture being the Truth. What is being discussed here is how it is the Truth. It after all cannot be true that two or more contradictory Biblical historical facts can both literally be true, or that historical facts that have been found not to be as recorded in the Bible are literally or historically true. Yet, true they are despite the contradictions. The point of this discussion is how they are true, and not whether they are literally true or not.

OLAADEGBU:
The bible has the evidence but it even has something better than the evidence and that is the truth. The unique words of Jesus says:

"I am the way, the truth and the life: no man comes to the Father, but by Me" (John 14:6). It was Paige Patterson who said:

"It comes down to a question of truth. Every false religious expression is a religion of darkness. That doesn't mean there are no good things in that faith. But if Jesus is to be taken seriously when He says 'No one comes to the Father but through Me,' every other proposal is one of darkness."



Listen to what Albert Einstein scientist said:

"I want to know how God created this world. I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts. The rest are details" (The expanded Quotable Einstein, Princeton University Press, page 202).

You can see how a real scientist said that he wants to know how God created the world. Real scientists think God's thought after Him.

MrPresident1:
Come to the watchers thread

The only watchful I need do is that I mind being worthy when Christ comes, for it is written “The coming of the kingdom of God is not something that can be observed, nor will people say, ‘Here it is,’ or ‘There it is,’ because the kingdom of God is in your midst.”

This is your thread, and in it you have claimed God wants our righteousness. And for either of us to please God, the Kingdom of God must be in our midst. So let the Lord's will be done, here.

This is about the third time that I have said in response to you that any sort of justification or righteousness by faith or by works is evidence of unrighteousness. Jesus explained this in [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+18%3A9-14&version=NIV]The Parable of the Pharisee and the Tax Collector[/url], but through lack of effort and work to understand, this just goes over manys heads!

Reading a Gospel or anything is work. Listening, even, is work. Understanding is a lot more work. And a person who does not do any of these will be without Christ. Acceptance of Christ himself is work and only selective reading of Scripture would make one reduce to nought the work required to worship God which is even much more work.

Take a simple look at the [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Galatians+5%3A22-23&version=NIV]Fruits of the Spirit[/url] which is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control, that by which we tell one has God. They all involve one doing work. Or would you say one can have or produce any of those fruits by doing no work?

The difference between them and the [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Galatians+5%3A19-21&version=NIV]works of the flesh[/url] which are sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like, is in the type or quality of the work. One being Godly work and the other being work for satan.

I repeat, it is not to do with being righteous or in justifying oneself, but those who do not pick up their [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+16%3A24-26&version=ESV]Cross of Christ[/url] which is work, are as a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal, unsalty salt that does not do the work it is supposed to do and is therefore good for nothing.

Do note that going by the little I know of you, if you yourself had done no work you would not understand as much as you do and your faith would amount to nothing. Please testify if this is not true. But note one more time that it is not for your justification or to claim you are righteous, but one is not justified or righteous without producing fruits which can only be done by a lot of effort and work.

solite3:
Yes a man who is justified by faith in christ will have good works. The importance of works is that it identifies the fact we are saved but mind you not to save us.
You plant a tree and then you get the fruit. What gave you the product is the tree not the fruit been produced.

you dont get saved by slogging through the thousand books of the bible but by the simple gospel. I was saved just by simple gospel and when I opened my bible God was soeaking to me. I dont go about boasting of visions.
There was a time in my life I search through the bible all to no avail untill Jesus found me.

John 5:39
Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.




get saved first then other things will follow. The error is not about doing the works but the purpose. One can do the works and still be rejected by Jesus. The fruit a saved man produce is as a result of his salvation.

unfortunately in God's ways, you cant justify yourselves by your good works. Just like a criminal who expect the judge to to cancel his crimes because of the good he has done. Does it work like that buda?

at the end it is you trying to justify yourself, it is still work, not the gospel.

it is all efforts at futility trying to justify yourself. God's maths is 100% or 0%. Its either you are completely perfect like God himself or you are completely dead and decay sinner.
At the end none of these cancels the fact that one is a sinner in need of God's intervention.

hakeem4:
You could even win a Nobel laureate if you find one evidence to disprove natural selection.

So if god was wrong about where humans came from, then he’s definitely wrong about where we’d end up after death. Meaning god is not omniscient or intelligent. Then why call him god or the intelligent designer?

God never told you where humans came from! All you have is what some wrote in a book and claimed came from God, and if those promoting evolution could fool you with God done it they would too except we do not see as dimly as we saw when Scripture was a science textbook and people were much more gullible than we were then because we have evolved.

grandstar:
Nigeria can actually do much better than China but the government must allow the best of economists do their job and not second guess them like Buhari is wont to do.

As someone said, if Buhari treated the economy the way he attended to his health, the economy will be humming. He goes overseas for the best treatment available and not dictating to his doctors what to do.

So you separate China from its government? I don't! We Nigerians govern Nigeria and it is the way that we have governed it to be. Ordinary Nairaland we can't govern and I don't see any Buhari here.

GrabHisBalls:
And what if God actually spoke through the pastor to a member and after delivering the message, the member at a point decides to offend God. Would that prophesy still come to pass? The answer is No. Will you still call such a pastor 'fake?' No, 'cause he did his part.

If the prophecy did not depend on the actions of the member how does it matter? The prophecy in the statement above did not depend on the member's action!

LordReed:
Oh my dear budaatum thou understandest my travails.

It is more important that you, my Lord, understand your travails. I commend your work here.

Idaytesj29:
I just wish, Nigeria to be China right now. I won't even complain

2 like for you!

grandstar:
Chinese economic growth I must admit was very inspiring. It waa growing on average by 9% over a 40year period. I doff my hat to them. They were adding 30,000 megawatts of power yearly, 90% of them coal plants.

However, Chinese growth isn't as great as it looks.

It's over reliance on manufacturing and use of State Owned Enterprises led to overcapacity in many sectors in manufacturing

It's mercantile and protectionist policies and coupled with an over reliance on exports and it's export of deflatiob, especially to the USA helped trigger the Great Recession that started in 2008.

The country presently is saddled with massive amounts of debt and I fear if it busts, it would take the world down with it.

The root of Chinas problem is that it has been led since the start of communist by engineers. The present head , Xi Jinping is a chemical engineer.

This has led to China's over reliance on manufacturing and seeking engineering solutions to problems which most times can be solved with sound economics.

For instance, if a city is suffering from a shortage if water, the city will prefer to pump water from very distant aquifers at very high cost, rather than charge the inhabitants the true cost of the water they are using. If done, water guzzling factories such as jeans manufacturing will pack up and leave town and head to areas where water is much plenty.

It is my opinion that if Nigeria did half of what you accuse China of doing above, Nigeria will seem like paradise! Just imagine how proud we would be if all the Made in China were Made in Nigeria.

mostyg:
*This is a Master Piece. Much credit to the writer* ����

A masterpiece that made my eyes well up with joyful tears!

MrPresident1:
I wish you to engage me here so at least it remains on religion fp
https://www.nairaland.com/3504125/jesus-coming-soon-thread-faithful

Sorry, but it is not likely that I would go through 111 pages in order to do justice to that thread but I shall read some of it. I shall also pray that your love for buda your neighbour increases so you do not assume buda is shenaniganing or twisting. And if I do may I burn in the hottest part of hell. IJN

solite3:
Faith alone can save a man.
I showed you that a man can be justified by faith alone without works but you dogded it.

In your subsequent post below you yourself say "that a person who is truly justified by faith will have good works in his/her life", so you appear to be acknowledging the importance of both work and faith, though "justify" and "saved" is a bit of a problem here.

Christianity states that one is saved by ones acceptance of Christ in one's life. Would you say this "acceptance" is not a conscious effort of work? How does one accept Christ in one's life if not by slogging through the over a thousand pages of Scripture? Do you not that that slogging is work?

Now imagine one believes every single word in Scripture. If one does not do the work to understand what it is that one believes would you say one has accepted Christ in ones life? If I do not bear fruit according to my beliefs would you agree that I am saved? Where is the Christ in me if I do not produce abundant fruits? Can I produce abundant fruit by doing no work?

What justification can a person who lacks understanding of Scripture possibly have? Can I not, through my ignorance, through my lack of understanding not justify my own stupid acts? Do we not have many of us justifying stupid doctrines gained through our laziness and lack of work to understand?

And that's all the beginning. I may justify all sorts of whatever I wish to justify, but surely if my justification does not produce any fruit all my justification is in vain.

By the way, it takes quite a lot of work to love ones enemy, as Christ told one to do. Those who have not worked are like salt than does not have saltiness.

OLAADEGBU:
By all means please point out any false doctrine(s) you think I may have so that we can trash them out on a separate thread.

You see, what you are asking me to do is make out the forest in my eye is smaller than the forest in your eye when the truth might be that the forest in my eye is bigger than the forest in your eye. Wouldn't it be much better if we reasoned together and help cut down trees in each other's forest?

I tell you Deg, there is forest in buda's eye too but by reasoning together, as in trully reasoning together instead of not hearing one another, we might just remove some of those trees that make up a forest.

LordReed:
Rephrase. Tell me what you think.

We can only try my Lord. But if we had nothing to aspire to we would trully just be making stuff up in our head and claim we are perfect.

MobilityExpress:
No, educate yourself that Huawei came in late to the party of smart phones. They should stick to computer servers and fiber optics, and spying for the Chinese government

Like Apple stuck to computers, right?

OLAADEGBU:
By all means please point out any false doctrine(s) you think I may have so that we can trash them out on a separate thread.

No Deg. Pointing them out would be an assumption of my own righteousness and I assure you righteous I am not. How about you and I reason together instead of each trying to prove their own speculation alone can be the right one? Who knows. We may end up removing trees from our forest if not the entire forest itself.

LordReed:
Why do you people like talking off point like this?

That's how satan will distracts from the work of the Lord my Lord and why you are warned that you must not think this battle against ignorance is one [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ephesians+6%3A12&version=NIV]against[/url] flesh and blood!

LordReed:
Here's a question for you fine fellows.

Do you think religion can be practiced without bad ideas?

Budaatum, johnydon22, IamSabrina, Niflheim, JeromeBlack, Happypagan, joseph1013, plaetton, Seun

Of course it can, though I'm rather reticent about your use of the word "religion" since there's no clear agreement on it's meaning, so let me suggest a rephrase of the question for you to consider.

Do you think human beings can be perfect?

MrPresident1:
Buda for eartum, please read the first sentence in my comment that you quoted

Why? Do you think I didn't read the first sentence in your comment that I quoted?

You dont have to engage with me if you wish to be true to your first sentence in your comment that I quoted, but that does not in any way imply that I may not engage with whatever comment of yours that I wish to.