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LordReed:
Its not about what I don't understand, its about what I do understand that makes it so obviously contrived.

Really, lol.

budaatum:
I ensure my head does not get so big that I begin to stupidly think the subjective opinions I have in my head are objective facts.... .

IAmSabrina:
Your folks do?

My folks would ostracize me faster than i can pronounce "Atheism"!

Weakling! My entire family knew I was an atheist. They'd be like "let us pray" and buda will leave the room. It was just ridiculous joining them in prayer to a God I knew was a figment of their imagination, and I was not prepared to stand there as if their imaginary emperor wore clothes. Then I went and got my own emperor and clothed it.

Martinez39:
The greatest beneficiaries of the welfare system are illegal muslim immigrants where a family even give birth to more than four children and still collect welfare for them.

That is untrue. Migrants aren’t taking our benefits. The remaining links are for if you like to be informed.

Who gets more, pensioners or refugees?

Benefits in Britain: separating the facts from the fiction

9inches:
Are you corroborating or refuting my statement?

Yes, "they claim they still have free speech" to say whatever they want to say. It helps that most of us don't want to say what most others would rather not hear.

Martinez39:
Maybe I gave the wrong impression. Of course, we are having a matured discussion and I really enjoyed the discussion. All I meant to say was that you should come to terms with the fact that your position on this issue has been crushed and stop trying to defend it still.

Once a position has been crushed by fact, virtue signalling and going emotional cannot recover such position. I admitted in our last discussion that christian atheist was possible on checking another meaning of the word "christian," why can't you do the same?

I gain no merit in maintaining an untenable position, 39. I am an arrogant fuq who places the highest esteem in my self and would never ever soil my own image with my own stupidity on a public forum where others will dig it up and rub it in my face whenever they want forever. I'm not virtuous, nor do I get emotional over words I read on a screen, and I ensure my head does not get so big that I begin to stupidly think the subjective opinions I have in my head are objective facts that everyone else must accept with no material third party evidence supporting it. You will in fact note that I love providing evidence for my claims and would never ever ask that anyone believe what I say or the evidence I provide. You must not believe buda, 39! If you believe buda you are stupid, and a fool, and a slave, and ignorant, and you will remain so until you stop believing buda and see the objective evidence with your own eyes and begin to understand it in all its guises and implications and you reason for yourself! All the same, the truth will itself pierce through stubborn blind eyes. And even then, I accept that beans to me might not appear as beans to you as you would have understood when you claimed my beans was not even beans at all despite my provision of third party evidence to support my claim, or rather, despite your attempt to be the one who defines what my beans was!

Please know that my star is not brightened by me killing off other's stars. The universe is big enough for us to all glow as brightly as we dare so please know that when you have shown me your point, I will gladly acknowledge that you have as is my nature, Martinez39. But posting silly irrelevant pictures and calling others "liar", "virtue signalling", "emotional", and asking unbelieving buda to believe in your facts when in fact it is one who lacks the ability to comprehend, is in no way "having a mature conversation" nor being objective, in my opinion, which I hope we will be in future. It is those who are levelled and squared that are accepted links to Genesis 4:7, just so you know, but has a meaning outside theology.

You will please forgive me getting the wrong impression.

Martinez39:
LWKMD . That link leads to www.biblegateway.com and brings out Deuteronomy chapter 15. What does that have to do with anything? Admit I won this one (just like I admit when I'm wrong). Virtue signalling and going emotional won't win the case and nullify the facts I gave. This is really funny of you.

Martinez39, I am not in a juvenile battle with you nor am I here for you. Besides, elephants don't fight gnats, so win please, win. Know, though, my links lead exactly where I intend them to lead, but I don't expect a person to whom beans are beans to see where.

LordReed:
I don't miss being a believer and I wish I could take back all the years I believed. IMO those years were wasted.

Serves you right for believing, my Lord, instead of understanding. A Lewis too?! Double serves you right in fact!

Pressplay411, please explain the "Letter Kills, Without The Holy Spirit", to my Lord and perhaps my Lord will see the Light and stop wasting.

9inches:
Meanwhile, they claim they still have free speech.

United Kingdom citizens have a negative right to freedom of expression under the common law. However, there is a broad sweep of exceptions which you are not free to say and include threatening, abusive or insulting words or behavior intending or likely to cause harassment, alarm or distress or cause a breach of the peace (which has been used to prohibit racist speech targeted at individuals), sending any article which is indecent or grossly offensive with an intent to cause distress or anxiety (which has been used to prohibit speech of a racist or anti-religious nature), incitement, incitement to racial hatred, incitement to religious hatred, incitement to terrorism including encouragement of terrorism and dissemination of terrorist publications, glorifying terrorism, collection or possession of a document or record containing information likely to be of use to a terrorist, treason including advocating for the abolition of the monarchy (which cannot be successfully prosecuted) or compassing or imagining the death of the monarch, sedition (no longer illegal, sedition and seditious libel (as common law offences) were abolished by section 73 of the Coroners and Justice Act 2009 (with effect on 12 January 2010)), obscenity, indecency including corruption of public morals and outraging public decency, defamation, prior restraint, restrictions on court reporting including names of victims and evidence and prejudicing or interfering with court proceedings, prohibition of post-trial interviews with jurors, scandalising the court by criticising or murmuring judges, time, manner, and place restrictions, harassment, privileged communications, trade secrets, classified material, copyright, patents, military conduct, and limitations on commercial speech such as advertising. You can pretty much say whatever you want except say or do those listed above.

Free speech is one of those "beans is definitely not beans" sort of things, with different nations cooking their own their own ways.

Martinez39:
this is not true, it's not just true. There are lower class British people who are willing to do various jobs to survives. They are British folks who are homeless; who park trash; clean streets and do many other jobs. You will always find them.

In UK, we do not harden our heart, nor shut our hand from anyone. We do what need be done so that there shall be no poor among us.

UK runs what is called a liberal welfare state system. It means you will be provided for if you are unable to work, you will be treated if you fall ill, your children's education will be paid till they are 16. If you are homeless we will offer you a place over your head and food in your belly. If you are without work we will pay rent to your landlord until you find new employment, and if your new employment is below the amount we believe a person of your age and health condition and responsibility (i.e., children, caring for an older relative etc), should live on, we will top it up for you. If you die, even, we will bury you if your relatives can't. You might imagine many might want to take advantage.

But you are correct, it is not only the low skilled people whom we seek. We are currently forty two thousand nurses short and we always welcome doctors and engineers regardless of legality. No non-brain users though. They are very unwelcome!

Martinez39:
The fact still remains that the EU fights for open borders and are supportive of mass illegal immigration. These immigrants are most non-Europeans coming from Africa and Islamic countries. I know this for a fact.

Martinez39, you know very well that the atheistic demon in me does not take what you "know for fact" on "an indestructible immortal rainbow coloured elephant eternally hibernating in the centre of planet Neptune".

Please provide me with evidence for bolds above so that my ignorance can reduce. I immensely thank you in advance.

Shepherd00:
You call it enlightenment and hail him, Jesus calls it Sin and abomination and frowns at it.

Rom.1:32 Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.
The Holy Word of God will never change no matter how much you guys try to falsify it.

Jesus also said "They must surely be put to death" so
go on then and stone him o ye sinless buda, for it's not like I said "don't point at the speck in your neighbours eye while disregarding the mote in your own eyes, o ye following me 'righteous' hypocrite buda".

alBHAGDADI:
Deuteronomy 22:28-29 New International Version (NIV)
If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay her father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.


An untrained Bible student will believe him and the verse above, but we that know that Satan has his own Bibles littered everywhere will not be fooled by the idea behind the above verse. The verse is clearly saying that our God who is merciful and a righteous judge will punish a lady by forcing her to marry the wicked human who raped her and took away her virginity.

God who said don't covet your neighbours goods and don't commit adultery will disregard those two clearly obvious flagrant disobediences of the laws of the Lord by the man and will punish the poor virgin woman who he raped and violated instead by allowing him to pay 50 shekels for her whom he already coveted and possessed against her will? That don't sound right to me. Though I agree that a satan who began his wuruwuru in the Garden of Eden will definitely extend it to Scripture and even the individual's relationship with the Holy Spirit.

Would you consider reconsulting it please?

magzey:
Na manual phone you dey use?

I think so o. But I might be mistaken.

Martinez39:
I will research on the wall in that article. However, I know for a fact that the EU enforces the open border policy on it's member countries and threaten, with legal action, those that go against that as in the case of Italy, Hungary and Poland.

Free movement of European Citizens is what EU fights for 39, and not free movement of immigrants (who incidentally must have visas to enter Europe), nor asylum seekers who ought to apply for asylum in the first European country they arrive in.

Martinez39:
What?! Mass illegal immigrants or controlled legal immigrants? So everyone in the UK is better educated? Not at all. There are lowers class citizens who are willing to do any kind of work. These people are sufficient to grow the economy.

No, not "better educated" per se, though many think they are but aren't, and not "willing to do any job", but consider themselves better than to do certain jobs like care and clean the poo off the bottoms of their own old for what the employers of such people is willing to pay.

Martinez39:
Illegal migrants come in and are willing to do the same jobs for lesser pay leading to a decrease in wages and consequently a low standard of living in the working class community.

It's actually worse that this, 39. The employers go to other countries to specifically employ immigrants who work harder and are willing to do the same jobs for less pay and benefits which increases the employers profits.

Martinez39:
The economy of Britain is better of without mass illegal immigration when you consider the tax payers money spent on the welfare of these people; the overcrowding of working class communities and cultural clashes.

Most immigrants are net contributors to the UK economy and do not just live on the pittance that welfare pays. And to be honest, we are not exactly overcrowded at all. Or what would you be saying when the population of UK hits 100 million or more?

As for cultural clashes, do note that the op of this thread mentioned the Muslim Mayor Sadiq Khan of a city which the 2011 census recorded has "48.4% of Londoners cosidered themselves to be Christian, 12.39% considered themselves Muslim, 5% Hindu, 1.82% Jewish, 1.5% Sikh, 1% Buddhist and 0.6% Other. A large proportion, 20.73% of respondents, stated that they followed no religion". I would not call that "cultural clash", under the circumstances, but a liberal society, (and not to be mistaken with American liberalism, as defined by some).

Martinez39:
British people and legal immigrants are more than sufficient to grow the economy. Brexiteers are not against legal immigrants. No country needs more illegal immigrants.

We may not need illegal immigrants, but the evidence on ground suggests that once they arrive we find a use for them. And when they don't arrive by themselves, we literally go and beg them to come here. (Though, we do make a show of not wanting them so as not to piss off the locals.)

Ihedinobi3:
In so far as you argue that Salvation has anything to do with one's behavior, I do not agree with you. Nor does the Bible, as far as I know.

Salvation has a lot to do with behaviour, though not as a guarantee of it, as you think I argue, which I don't. In my own words, and as I've said here, "claiming righteousness is arrogance", and the same goes for salvation, in my opinion.

Works are but the product of salvation (and righteousness), the fruit one produces a hundred fold. Those with salvation produce these fruits, and those without produce [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Galatians+5%3A19-21&version=NIV]these[/url], and by the fruit we produces are we known. So one must be fruitful as [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+19%3A1-10&version=NIV]this person[/url] is, and for the glorification of the Father who art in Heaven, and not for the justification of the self as this [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+18%3A9-14&version=NIV]person[/url] erroneously does, not knowing "those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.”

I sincerely appreciate your patience in tutoring me to delve into scripture and not lean on my own understanding alone. Your work, no doubt, to the glory of the Lord.

Martinez39:
The leftist unelected bureaucratic bully called the European Union has made it mandatory for member countries to open their borders, without restraint, to immigrants.

That's not true! Every country has the right to control its non-European immigration. Some member nations even built walls to keep immigrants out and no European parliament opposed them.

Martinez39:
The need to preserve the culture, gaining sovereignty as a nation to make their own rules and control their borders were three of the reasons people voted brexit in the 2016 referendum.

True, but farce. UK needs immigrants to fill the jobs its better educated people would rather not do and to grow it's economy. But, I'll let the jury be out on this and return in a couple of years or so to point out how immigration to UK grew, and not shrunk, as some might have hoped. For now, note that The Office for National Statistics said net migration of non-EU nationals in the year to June 2018 was 248,000 - the highest total in 14 years.

Ihedinobi3:
Very good. Works have a role here, but decidedly not for Salvation. I already explained that in the first lesson on my thread for Bible Studies.

I saw the thread you mention but decided to wait till you cared about me.

No, I never said one works for one's salvation, though that view has biblical support as I've pointed out with my parable of the non-believing defiling pagan worshipping doing good Samaritan. My position is that one who has received salvation by God's Grace must be producing good fruits with one's work or one is dead which is the exact opposite of being saved.

Ihedinobi3:
To be clear, the Lord Jesus does not tolerate bad theology (that is, whether wilful or ignorant misinterpretation of the Bible) nor does He tolerate bad behavior whether wilful or ignorant. The former leads to the latter, so it is even doubly important. Bad behavior is disciplined by the Lord right up to the point of death, that is, when believers sin, the Lord disciplines us. The more grievous and gross the sin, the greater the punishment. The more spiritually mature the believer who sins too, the greater is his punishment as well. If a believer commits to sinning in a certain pattern ignoring discipline along the way, eventually, the Lord will visit upon him the "sin unto death". That is a discipline that puts the believer through agonizing punishment leading straight to physical death unless the believer repents of his sin or gives up his faith in Christ. Either choice will free him from the discipline. As long as he hangs on to his faith even while sinning so foolishly, however, he will be saved even though the Lord kills him for his sin.

For your "discipline", my understanding is "teach", which means I must learn. And thankfully, the Lord who so loved the World does not go about "punishing" anymore. An Almighty God can't tell lowly me to forgive those who transgress against me seven times seventy times and then punish me one, or even every seven times. The evidence in fact suggests that God is so benevolent and graceful that God forgives me seven million times seventy million times and even sends the begotten Son to die upon a cross for the edification of my soul, and he then sent me the Comforter to assist me to learn to reduce my so many sins or I would be long dead by now yet I live!

Ihedinobi3:
As for bad theology, as I said, it leads to bad behavior. So when the Lord disciplines bad behavior, ordinarily it should lead to a correction of bad theology. However, as we mature in the Truth, we are also purged or cleaned as we continue to study under a gifted and prepared teacher, apply, and help others to grow. This is how bad theology gets good.

I want to agree with this but with two objections. The first is what I said above about your "discipline" being my "teaching" from which I learn, and the second is, my "gifted and prepared teacher", is the Lord God Almighty, Jesus the only begotten Son and the Comforter which he sent to minister to me.

Ihedinobi3:
So, works have a place. Our behavior shows whether we are actually developing in the Faith and bearing fruit for Christ, which is the whole point of our Salvation. Also, bearing fruit for Christ is really the works that James and the rest of the Bible talks about. It comprises only such things as help other believers to grow spiritually and also fulfill their own duties in the Body of Christ. All duties or ministries in the Body of Christ are focused purely on the Truth of the Bible. As we help each other learn it and apply it, we are doing the works that we ought to be doing.

The truth in my Bible does not "comprises only such things as help other believers to grow spiritually and also fulfill their own duties in the Body of Christ". The truth in my Bible is “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I tell you buda, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+5%3A43-48&version=NIV]that you may be a child of your Father in heaven[/url]" fulfilling my own duties in the Body of Christ which is the whole earth and universe and all that is therein. But I do understand that less is expected from those who understand a little.

Ihedinobi3:
Other good behavior - being nice to people etc - are merely things that happen as a matter of course along the way as we learn the Bible and help each other. This is what the Bible itself teaches.

Amen. Though, not "merely", and not just "being nice to people" since my commission is far more than "be nice to people", and includes "be fruitful and multiply and subdue the earth and rule over it" and be the "salt of the earth" that my good deeds glorify my Father in heaven. For if my "eye is dim, my whole body belongs to satan", my sinning being a defilement of the perfect creation of the Lord that I ought to be. I will not be allowed into the Tabernacle of the Lord which by all accounts is not salvation because I would have lost my saltiness and be "no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled underfoot".

The things of the devil will not be our portion, by GoG!

Ihedinobi3:
The Bible does not teach that one is a Christian if one is nice to other people. In fact, it teaches that no one can be saved by "being good" because nobody is perfect. We can only be saved by God's Goodwill toward us which we can never merit. The same way we are saved is the way that we must walk with the Lord: depending on His Goodwill toward us, not on any personal merits of our own.

The Bible does not teach that one must be a Christian neither to attain salvation. The non-believing defiling pagan worshipping doing good Samaritan did not have to abandon his pagan worshipping yet Jesus said "Go and do likewise"!

"Saved", is more of "have the opportunity to be saved" by having the Word et al to learn from and continue to be perfected and not just give up because you believe you cannot possibly get close to perfection, or because you believe God does not care if you tried! Is it not true that God sent the only begotten Son to perfect you? Did Jesus lie when he said "Christian, be perfect like your Father in heaven is perfect"? Did he lie when he said he'd even send you the Comforter to assist you to be perfect? Is you perfection impossible for God? Those who walk not with God walk away from the opportunity to be perfected. And besides, why would anyone want to make a sacrifice of unrefined mud to the Almighty God?

If buda takes the view you propose above, I expect to be asked why I am angry, "Why is your face downcast? If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you do not do what is right, buda, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must rule over it.” I should expect my foolish Lord Lordism to lead to a massive dental bill. If I "[url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+7%3A24-27&version=NKJV]heareth[/url] these sayings and doeth them not" and shall "be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand.

Ihedinobi3:
So, I do not agree with any idea that suggests that a Christian is anybody who acts nice toward other people. A Christian is a believer in Jesus Christ. Good behavior follows a diligent application of oneself to the Truth of the Bible under the guidance of a gifted and prepared Bible teacher.

I agree that a Christian is not anybody who acts nice toward other people. But I suggest that those who do not "do my will", which is "love your neighbours", and not just 'love those who believe as one does', are not in any way of Christ.

Denizsmart:
exchange for food and board... I think I am lost here

For no pay!

Martinez39:
Do you know that if a girl is kidnapped by a Pakistan paedophilic rape gang and her father directs the police to the location of the rapists and kidnapped daughter, the police will arrest the father and daughter even when, in many cases, the girl (11-13 years of age) will be found alone with a group of Pakistanis molesting her. Their excuse? "the girl provoked the men to act the way they did and she was too flirty" and "the father was aggressive towards the men and caused them discomfort." I kid you not.

This is untrue! Sex with an underage person younger than 16 years old is a crime all over Europe regardless of your colour or religion, and the authorities are duty bound to protect the young and vulnerable.

Rochdale child sex abuse ring

Martinez39:
The forced globalisation and multiculturalism on Europe is killing it. These are causing the gradual Islamisation of Europe and the possibility of an eventual Islamic caliphate.

We have people with this your ideology in UK, and regarding black people. "This is causing the blackanisation of Europe", they say. Thankfully, the law protects us from far right terrorists who must shut the fuq up or go to jail!

Europe doesn't accept that our existence forces "globalisation and multiculturalism on Europe", because they know "globalisation and multiculturalism" began long ago when they were going about forcing it on the whole world.

Write to an automotive company in China, Japan or Malaysia asking if they'd offer you a one or two year apprenticeship in exchange for food and board.

What enlightened people the Finnish must be. Some people in some countries would be blinded to his achievements and stone him instead whilst adoring those who rob them and sell them as slaves!

IAmSabrina:
I'm posting here because i haven't posted here before

You're welcome.

Ihedinobi3:
Let me explain something I really shouldn't be needing to explain at all: we don't make up the meanings of words just as we please. Words have a meaning. We use them or we don't.

Christian is a Bible word. It was described in the Bible to be a label that mocking unbelievers attached to people who believe in Jesus Christ. That is what it means. It does not mean whatever budaatum or anybody else suddenly decides that it must mean. The word is a synonym for believer, saint, follower of The Way, and disciple in the Bible. If you do not believe in Jesus Christ Who is God that put on humanity in order to die for human sins and save all humans from the Lake of Fire, you are not a Christian. Period. Doesn't matter how sweet or nice you are. If you do believe that, then you are. Period. Doesn't matter how horrid your behavior is, or even how bad your theology is.

Therefore, all Christians are by definition people who believe this One Truth. That we don't all agree on Bible teachings beyond this is merely evidence that we are still in sinful, mortal flesh. In fact, today, the vast majority of Christians are incredibly ignorant of what the Bible actually teaches, so when they talk about the Bible, they basically spew an incredible amount of lies about it. But they are still very much Christians as long as they believe in Jesus Christ. That is what the authority that matters here says. And you, budaatum, are not the authority.

About atheists, really, just find someone who cares. I truly have no desire to repeat things that are clear enough for the simple to understand. It takes insanity or sheer dishonesty to ignore or confuse some things.

No I am not the authority on Christianity, ihe, Jesus Christ is, along with the Holy Spirit he sent to teach you the Word of God which you read. Below is a sample of that Word:

[url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=James+2%3A19-21&version=NKJV]19[/url] You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar?

Christians, if you think it "Doesn't matter how horrid your behavior is, or even how bad your theology is," if you think you are of Christ when your behaviour is of Satan, I very strongly advice you to consider whether you have received stones from vipers instead of bread that gives life that will allow you into the tabernacle of the Lord. Or consider your delight is in denying the truth of Christ you claim to believe. For it is very clearly stated that a "body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also"!

Do know, Ihe, that I care, a lot, about everything done on here.

Ihedinobi3:
The first time I noticed you, let's just say that you didn't seem to want a fight. Since it had become my policy by then to not stir up one, I let you be.

It is always prudent to avoid quarrels and meaningless arguments - what I'm doing on this thread skirts the edge of prudence, but I wanted something to do during a lull in my activities here. Otherwise, my concern here is to deal with biblical questions. I try to not enter fights just to prove myself against atheists, so unless I actually think that what I am going to say in a discussion will be presentable and useful to other believers for them to learn something about the Lord Jesus Christ, I try to avoid getting into one.

I made many mistakes starting out. I still make a bunch now, although perhaps less catastrophic ones. But I think my general policy was set by the time I noticed you, or else, when you made the concession you did on the thread I met you, it would not have stopped me from hunting you (yes, I used to hunt atheists. Now, however, I hunt useful questions almost exclusively).

As for what you are now, it's most definitely not Christian, so I still don't care.

I don't fight, Ihe. I discuss, I debate, I challenge even, but I do not fight. And you never hunted me when I was an atheist. In fact, I think you literally avoided me!

You don't have to care what I am now neither, Ihe. You just need to know I live next door and your Christian heart will open up for you to love me unless believing is what makes you the Christian you are regardless of how you treat your neighbours, which you can't possibly believe or do since the Bible truth says you mustn't.

Ihedinobi3:
Then, both are true.

Christians are those who believe in Jesus Christ, God and Man Who died for the sins of all humanity so that we can all be saved from the Second Death. Granted that beyond this, Christians don't agree on every single teaching of the Bible, what makes us all Christians is this one Truth that we all believe, and on which all correct Bible teachings are built.

Atheists are people who deny the existence of God. Whatever else may unite or separate them, the denial of this One Truth is what defines them all. Therefore, when atheists look at the Truth (all truths are defined by this one Truth), they may as well be one person looking at one thing. So, their endorsement of each other is essentially meaningless in the question of Truth.

All Christians do not see the same truth, ihe. Your own definition that "what makes us all Christians is this one Truth that we all believe, and on which all correct Bible teachings are built" is evidence of this. You very well know a lot of Bible teachings can be incorrect, and a lot of Christians say they believe and don't. And I would claim believing alone does not make one a Christian because that definition makes satan, who also believes, a Christian, which I don't think you believe.

And "the denial of this One Truth is what defines them all", them all being atheists, is not true either since it is based on atheists seeing that truth when the truth is they look but see not the one truth you claim they deny when they actual cannot see it!

I've been listening to Deuteronomy and must say, parts of it would not be permissibly read on the streets of London. You can't read parts of the Quran either and you cannot insult peoples' race or sexuality. You'd be arrested. As in, popo will come to your house to arrest you even if you ran away from the scene. You don't have the freedom to say any nonsense you want on London streets!

orisa37:
In 1960, I lived in 12 Hargrave. London. Some Nigerians lived in 42. There was a peculiar music. "Fire, Fire, Fire, Fire, Fire gbetan", coming from 42. So the Oyinbos living opposite 42 invited Fire fighting Brigade to flush the Nigerians out of 42, before they raze down the whole of Hargraves.

Lol!

johnydon22:
A materialist simply reduces what is and what is possible to the perceptive capabilities of the 5 senses.

Prove it

In a materialistic sense is simply saying, make this perceptible to my 5 senses.

This is a question thread, what do you think about the materialistic school of thought?

I think a school of thought that reduces everything down to the materials that are perceptible to your 5 senses is a good thing. You're basically saying, "show me", which ought to be the very least one can do, show you, unless they're asking you to believe them, to wit I expect your "good luck with that".

"Making things perceptible to the 5 senses", is a fundamental aspect of all sciences with "prove it" in maths, breaking compounds down to their individual elements then atoms with it's nucleus and nuclei, proton, electrons and lepton in Chemistry; dissection in Biology and in the natural science where matter itself and its motion, and behavior through space and time, and the related entities of energy and forces are studied. Breaking things down to their basic fundamentals helps in understanding how to put things together and without it we'd likely be unable to be fruitful and increase in number and fill the earth and subdue it as we've done.

But what about if your eyes aren't good enough to see what I'm showing you, or if I were incapable of reducing what I want to show to you to materials that are perceptible to your 5 senses (and I do mean things I see and not things I make up in my head or I am lying), what happens then?

johnydon22:
(The school of thought that nothing exists except it can be perceived (matter)

Do you think it is logical to hold such a belief?

(My own thoughts are in the comment section)

The school of thought that believes that, 'what you cannot perceive with your 5 sense does not exist", is illogical, twice. In fact, thrice! First, to hold any belief is illogical. Second, to hold an illogical belief is illogical. And third, why, if I may ask, are you only perceiving with 5 senses? Don't you have any other senses?

As said above you could be blind and not see, or I might be insufficiently intelligent to show it to you. Besides, the sum of parts is not the whole not to talk of its fundamentals. And the objective world does not disappear because subjects don't see it!

OLAADEGBU:
If you live in glass house don't throw stones.

Because Olaadegbu will not turn the other cheek, he'll stone you back!

MelaninGold:
Yes but this should not be a state project, rather a federal one. Such a project would cost so much money and would eat into the state's allocation. I wonder why it is not being looked into. I am from Rivers, Bonny is my LGA. I am there now. This Island produces a high percentage of the crude oil being used and exported,we are exploited. Yet we have to beg for amenities that doesn't even represent a fraction of what we give. Same goes to all Niger Delta communities,feeding the nation and we are we are poorly fed. About 2 years ago,actually a contract was given to Julius Berger,work is on going,hopefully it would be completed by the end of the year.

Why not write to Julius Berger for an update?

Ranchhoddas:
Fair enough.

He was using metaphors.

And this is what Jesus meant? I will not expect Jesus to build a plane the same way he heals sick without prescribing drugs.

Why not? Don't you understand metaphors?