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alBHAGDADI:
Typical of Jehovah's False Witnesses. They point a finger at you but forget that they have four pointing back at them.


Is what you are accussing Olaadegbu of not the same thing you guys do to the Catholic Church in your Awake and Watchtower magazines?

I take it you've said this to Olaadegbu too or does Olaadegbu have only one finger? Or is it that they point four at Catholics so are fair game for Olaadegbu's typical four?

Show me where you told him.

We seriously need to stop calling each other liar! Can't it perhaps be that we just aren't being patient enough to understand each other, or is each's intention to impose each's will on each other or annihilate one another?

It's clear to me we're all here to stay and not as neighbours but living closer in this face to face that Seun built that has no twitter or fb so posts we like can be posted on our feed and advertise Nairaland where we spend a lot of effort and time. Where the search facility is crap and we got to jump through hoops to privately talk to each other. No dislike button for stupid posts. Constant post laters, then that bloody spambot bots you for no apparent reason! I don't like face to face living. Too close to each other's business with little space to grow and poo with the sharing of the kitchen and loo. We must be able to evolve so everyone has more space to glow. Or do we like living in this tower of babel that we have created here? Forgive me imposing my will, I have no right, but those with ears be salts on earth, please.


To the face to face landlord.

Landlord, this your face to face needs to evolve. There must be a committee of us working on it for you since we live here too.

Sqand

Squatters Nairaland Association D

TheArranger:
What do you mean 'two day ban'? You've been posting actively since the time of my last response to the time of your own response!

As for your bits, you brought it up. Then again, i probably shouldn't have mentioned you since you clearly have a problem with it. Thus i tender my apologies

Two day ban from my last response here. Got back and couldn't be bothered anymore. It's a silly thread, Arranger. Very beneath you, and mentioning me.

Martinez39:
As I have said buda, I am not interested in any of our past discussions anymore. Let's agree to disagree. I know beans is beans regardless of who eats it and you have your own idea on whether beans is beans or not. Shikina.

I do not "agree to disagree" with people who refuse to use their brain but have the audacity to insult buda!

TheArranger:
Yeah, it was a joke fam

You are very fortunate spambot got my response to you and gave me two day ban to calm down!

Don't joke with my bits Arranger, we are not animal!

Martinez39:
I will. I need to attend to something. Space booked.

It's not that the space you booked on your very own thread would ever run out 39 but that surely you've had enough time by now considering how much of it you've spent "lying buda" all over the place. Besides, we'd get to determine once and for all if beans is beans or you're just blind.

Here's my question again, in bold so you don't miss it. If you need more time just say.

Please explain to me using the definitions you posted to show me how Muslim Feminist cannot exist?

Ihedinobi3:
You still are. What's the difference between one atheist and another when they are both looking at the Truth? None at all.

That's as untrue as saying all Christians see the same truth!

IAmSabrina:
Cc. Budaatum

He never met atheist buda. I think he ran away from me! And he doesn't accept theist buda. But we working that out.

Edit!
Do note that my "Finally, you admit that the faith of the scientist is a different faith to that held by a believer, which is based on no evidence whatsoever", indicates I suffered from spiritual blindness.

LordReed:
You, my dear buda, are a whetstone; I appreciate you.

Appreciate you too my Lord.

I found you better evidence. It's hidden in here somewhere.

Shut the door please Onnogone.

Good riddance!

Wonder if the trial in secrecy is true. Couldn't find anything on the web!


Abike Dabiri, senior special assistant to the President on foreign affairs and diaspora, told CNN that Nigeria's ministry has been engaging with Saudi authorities for leniency in these cases but said they are shrouded in secrecy.

"These trials are done silently, and we are only told of the outcome after the execution," Dabiri said.

The Saudi Embassy in Nigeria said that Kudirat Adesola Afolabi,, the woman who was executed this week, received legal services throughout her trial and before the death sentence was carried out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWQhMKgduTo

Martinez39:
tried, in all your arguments, to suggest that subjective reality is always the case and that objective reality is subjective.

I can't believe you say this with a straight face! How can anyone claim the subjective nonsense they cook up in their head is always the case? Do such people plan to completely ignore all the objective real stuff that surrounds them? And how can objective reality that stands all on its own be subjective?

Thankfully, you don't have to go far to provide objective evidence to justify your claim so if you got any provide it please. Just make sure it is not down to your own subjective inability to comprehend simple English Language.

Martinez39:
Lying buda. Despite acknowledging objective reality and pointing out it's importance at the beginning, you then fervently tried, in all your arguments, to suggest that subjective reality is always the case and that objective reality is subjective. Oh yes, that has been your arguments so far. What is the photometer? Who or what is the photometric calibrator? I could dig out your posts to show that what I say is the truth but I have lost interest in this argument and other arguments between you and me. Let's agree to disagree and save ourselves precious time.

As for denying that you never said one can live out the principles of Engineering subjectively, here is a post of yours. Good night, lying buda.

You really have problems understanding English, don't you? I never said "one can live out the principles of Engineering subjectively". What I wrote was:

"Research into it alone is mind blowing. Living it subjectively is fascinating. Very enjoyable too. And it gets easy over time."

If you do understand English Language, you'd likely get that the "it"s above all refer to "objectivity", and not engineering as you appear to have misunderstood!

If you build a bridge on or by the created in your head (which is usually what it is) subjectivity, it will most definitely come tumbling down, and that's if you get it off the ground to start with!

I hope that's clear to you now.

Ubenedictus:
Lol, let me suggest you read up ancestral sin from an orthodox/eastern catholic perspective, then read up original sin from an augustinian western perspective then add original sin from the catholic catechism and then total depravity from a protestant perspective...this will show you the different varieties and then u can critique them individually without mixing stuff up.

Do u believe in D adamic story itself?

I have read up on them Uben. They are not exactly new issues. And in fact there's not much difference between them all is what I found. Here's two references for instance (though take neither as the extent of my reading on the topic!).

Original sin is an Augustine Christian doctrine that says that everyone is born sinful. This means that they are born with a built-in urge to do bad things and to disobey God. ... Original sin is not just this inherited spiritual disease or defect in human nature; it's also the 'condemnation' that goes with that fault.

Original sin, also called ancestral sin, is a Christian belief in the state of sin in which humanity has existed since the fall of man, stemming from Adam and Eve's rebellion in Eden, namely the sin of disobedience in consuming the forbidden fruit from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

I don't do belief, Uben. Especially where mythology is concerned, I seek to know and understand instead.

Ihedinobi3:
PS.: Good subjectivity, of course, begins with objectivity and ends with subjectivity. By accepting reality for what it is, one can apply it in ways that are unique to oneself, but which do not violate the object or principle in question.

Thanks for this, ihe, though I think you might have taken 39's word that I argue for one or the other when the entire thread itself is about the equal importance of both.

Good living begins with understanding that which is subjective and that which is objective and knowing the difference between the two. Subjective thought is how we as subjects, impose our will on objective reality. Without an understanding of how things are (the objective reality), we cannot successfully impose our subjective will to make things how we might like them to be. In science, we first seek for an understanding of the objective reality on which we then create technology by imposing our subjective will on the objective reality we discovered by science. Essentially, we must understand the objective reality in order to successfully “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground”, or we labour in vain. Societies that get this tend to more fruitful on the whole.

Martinez39:
Biggest lie of the century. You can't live out the principles of engineering subjectively. The principles are objective. Your language might be different but the observation and principles are objective and the same.

Edit: Here you admit recognising and making decisions based on objective reality but I later writings, you turn your back on this arguing for "pure subjective reality" for whatever reason known to you.

You like strawmen don't you! Is it an objective strawman, or a subjective one I wonder.

I never said one can live out the principles of engineering subjectively, 39. Nor did I argue for "pure subjective reality" either. If you can read English Language and understand metaphors you'd understand 'bridges that are not built on objective real facts will stand up as good as pie in the sky and come tumbling down'. And I doubt anyone would get very far if they intend to disregard all the objects that make up the objective reality that may stand in their path and expect to walk through some subjective imaginations in their head. Or do you think I walk through walls with total disregard? Here is two pointing out the importance of objectivity. It's unfortunately in English Language so you might struggle a little as you seem to have done here.

Thanks for the response all the same. It's a wonderful show of how much you know of the terms being discussed if nothing else. Don't forget that response you got me waiting for please once you've finished "attending to something".

Ubenedictus:
Budaatum hope you are not attacking a strawman, there are different versions of adamic sin, ancenstral sin, original sin...etc. Which of the shades are you rejecting

I don't think I am Uben. I assure you that if my parents don't pay my school fees, buy me books, feed and house me so I can study, they are committing a 'sin' which I would bear the consequences of and therefore will gladly call it an ancestral sin since I inherit the hell burning they inflict on me through no fault of my own. But Adamic sin and original sin is mythical, to me.

I wonder why I'm mentioned here. Is op intending to masturbate with my bits I wonder.

I smh op!

ichuka:
For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.Romans5:19
When Adam disobeyed God,we all affirm to his decision because we where in him when he ate the fruit.
So,it's not what one does that makes him a sinner,No!but who you are.
Let's assume your name is Budaatom.
You didn't chose the name,for you where born (a) budaatum.whatsoever you do in these life you are a budaatum.
If you become the Pope,Doctor,President or an arm robber you are still budaatum.
Nothing can make you otherwise because of the issue of birth.
Since you are born a budaatum,it's only by death that can make you something other than a budaatum.
It's only by death that one is free from being a sinner.
That's the meaning of the above verse.

I can only inform you that I am not the buda of yesterday not to talk of a year ago or ten. And if I "become the Pope,Doctor,President or an arm robber", I would very definitely be a different buda to the buda of today even if my dna and name remains the same.

A different budaspirit manifests everyday.

61. You'd learn how to read!

They are a cool couple.

Why now, op One single mufti forbids chess in Saudi Arabia and you ban it in the whole of Islam?! If its that easy don't you think he'd ban stealing or murder?

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I've brought this here because it deserved quiet consideration, Sab, where no gifs no brains don't enter.

IAmSabrina:
I think distinguishing "subjective realities" from "objective realities" is a worthy pursuit that brings simplicity to our daily endeavours. It may be difficult but Sabrina enjoys it

Enjoy it enough to be a scientist? Engineer myself. A make things happener. Structures built on subjective foundations don't bother Babel, they just come tumbling down. And yes, a very worthy pursuit. Research into it alone is mindblowing. Living it subjectively is fascinating. Very enjoyable too. And it gets easy over time.

IAmSabrina:
I'd like to add to that warning and say that people need to have a proper understanding of objectiveness, Buda!

Yes I very agree "that people need to have a proper understanding of objectiveness", and it is very difficult. But how do people get an understanding of objectivity, where do they get it from? How did you get it Sab?

IAmSabrina:
Whether Buda likes it or not, Sabrina's rectangle is Buda's rectangle. We observe shapes exactly the same. My eyes see the exact same thing yours do. Just a little sharper and maybe slight nuances in the colors but the overall picture is identical.

Not quite. Sabrina please do not be lazy! First, we take our photometers to the photometer calibrator who calibrates them then we ensure we are on the same measuring scale on our photometers and are both measuring from the precise same points to the same end points. Still, forgive I see a rhombus!

That "little sharper and maybe slight nuances in the colors" (I presume its not in the picture) might be of more significance than you give, is my point. It's enough to make the overall picture appear different to either of subjective us if not objectively measured. Is it in fact not a different picture since only one of us has "little sharper and maybe slight nuances in the colors" of their picture? Or do you see them too?

IAmSabrina:
Eyes are not subjective, Buda's square is not Martinez's circle, and neither are Sabrina's! We hear things the same way we might interpret them differently, but the sound produced in our heads are the same. Some people can understand objectiveness and some people simply don't have the brain power to do so. If we couldn't understand objectiveness we wouldn't be able to understand math. Punctum Supremum!

How are the eyes in my head not subjective to subject me who's head they are in? Are my eyes in some other subject's head too, Sab?

We hear things the same? How so? Does your brain power not determine what you hear to begin with? If you don't have brain power can you understand maths?

You're going to have to clean this for me, I think I misunderstand. There's a lot of people who have not learnt maths out there, by any objective measure.

IAmSabrina:
If we couldn't understand objectiveness, Sabrina, Martinez, Buda, Lord, JJ, Michelle,.... we'll all be helpless! We wouldn't be able to build a single thing because what were building might not be that. Beans na beans no matter who chop am....

Cc. Martinez39 / Martinez19

Helpless? Stop overdramatising Sab, it can't be that bad, or can't it. It's not as if we understand objectivity now to be honest, though we don't build much on here either, just constant tearing down. I put my beans in a pressure cooker with lots of onions, dried fish, panla, ede, salt, cowtail, water, cook half an hour pour in pepper, tomato, oil, simmer half another hour. You must know some people like theirs agoyin! Beans is not beans, Sab, who chop am matter!


I don't know what "Punctum Supremum" means so I went looking and found this:

The punctum points to those features of a photograph that seem to produce or convey a meaning without invoking any recognizable symbolic system. This kind of meaning is unique to the response of the individual viewer of the image. The punctum punctuates the studium and as a result pierces its viewer. To allow the punctum effect, the viewer must repudiate all knowledge. Barthes insists that the punctum is not simply the sum of desires projected into the photograph. Instead, it arises from details that are unintended or uncontrolled by the photographer. Photography can be distinguished from painting or drawing in that its apparatus visualizes the world automatically rather than being wholly informed by the interventions of the photographer. The theory of the punctum speaks the indexical nature of the photographic medium. It also accounts for the importance of emotion and subjectivity in interacting with photographs.

solite3:
humans can be taught how to walk because the trait is there in the first place.

children can be taught to walk but no body teaches them how to commit sin.
sin is an innate nature in humans. If you say people are taught how to lie for example, then who taught the first people who lied how to lie?

Which first people, solite3?

chozzy:
Each time I wake up to the reality of another Buhari 4yrs,
I feel pity for Nigeria

Each day I wake up to the reality my bubu is running Nigeria, I'm delighted crooks tremble where they are.

For the next four years!