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Christianity Etc › Re: Religion A Necessity For Now? by budaatum: 9:01pm On Apr 01, 2019
EmperorHarry:
That's what I meant by irrelevant details.
And we are asking you to consider that the reason you think they are irrelevant is perhaps because you just don't yet see the relevance in them.
Christianity Etc › Re: Something About INHERITED Sin In Christianity/original Sin by budaatum: 8:53pm On Apr 01, 2019
Ihedinobi3:
You're welcome, and I'm quite happy to agree on something with you when the agreement is in the Truth.
You too. I'm responding in sections because of preference as it ensures I cover every point and how I show regard. It for to see.

Ihedinobi3:
I think that I should clarify that I only ever have a problem with people when they look at something straight in its face and still deny what it says. I find that very hard to excuse, especially when it affects the well-being of other believers. This is the only thing that occasions my "getting" any type of way when, as you say, we delve.
I find it very easy to excuse "people when they look at something straight in its face and still deny what it says". To begin with, how certain am I that me myself is not the one looking a thing straight in the face but not seeing what it says and they are right and I am wrong? There after all are a lot of things - my preconceived opinions, my assumptions, my ignorance, my stupidity, stubbornness, thinking I see when I really don't etc - that might be blinding me. So I check my own eyes in case I might be the dunce.

Then it might be a case where people eyes might not be working as well as mine, say no Jesusspatonmud has been rubbed in their eye so they can't see. Why would I not find it in my love my neighbour heart to excuse such people! Did I not with my own hands kill a whole Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of my own transgressions and do I pray not that my Father in heaven forgive me according to the exact measure to which I forgive those who transgress against me? I got a forest in my own eyes, ihe, so twigs in the eyes of others I'm blind to pretty much.

I believe the well-being of other believers is enhanced when they open their eyes and look. So you Ihe, are the protector, and buda is like the destroyer of the beliefs people hold on to because they've looked things straight in its face and seen things for what things are refuse to reconsider.

Ihedinobi3:
I am fine with disagreement, even if I prefer agreement. If an atheist told me straight out that he doesn't agree with something I say, I may ask why just for the record, but only for the record. Everyone has the right to believe whatever they please. What I take exception to is anyone making it a sort of duty to either confuse or deceive others all because they prefer a point of view and will not allow anything to even suggest that it may be wrong.
I don't mind disagreement myself, after all, I make no claim of a standard everyone must adopt. I state my opinion though. And since this is a forum, what else we going to do but argue, and by effect learn from one another, though I see how learning might not apply to those who've already seen things for what they are. But then, they can have mercy on we poor and teach, can't they, instead of taking exceptions! I do make two demands though fuzzy pot that I am. Bring an a-game please. And, we don't insult buda.

Ihedinobi3:
To explain, I have a personal rule of thumb to never try to "evangelize" an atheist. I get that such a person has made a choice, and typically doesn't want to hear anything about the Gospel, so I won't make the offer. So, I don't start threads attacking atheism or atheists, and I don't start threads to "preach the Gospel". My threads are specific to Christians, and even so, I take pains to make them unobtrusive but also as accessible as possible to everyone. When I join a conversation, it is always to answer a question directed at the Bible or at Christians, or else it is to protect other believers from attacks made on their faith. This is what brings me into contact with atheists. Otherwise, we would probably never discuss with each other.
I don't see atheist or Christians, myself. I just see Ihedinobi3, Martinez39, every individual person, instead of putting people in a box. When I put them in a box I find I've predetermined what and who they are and by golly did my crystal ball not arrive from China cracked. I'm never right when I assume so I try really really hard not to.

When I join a conversation, it's like I've been welcomed into someone's into their house and into their mind. I don't go looking around to see where to fill it with my stuff, no! I look around your house, see how you've made it to suit you, treat it with respect like it was my own mind, unless its some dirty persons house, then I just stay at the door and look in through the window if at all. I don't expect people to have furnished their mind like I have mine I guess.

Ihedinobi3:
The trouble begins when the atheist who posts a challenge to the Bible or Christians suddenly finds that there is a reasonable answer to that challenge for which they are not prepared. That is when the effort to prove the absurdity of Christianity goes awry and the atheist begins to use tactics that make me increasingly antagonistic toward them because I know what effect those tactics can have on a weak believer.
What? A common atheist makes your antagonistic increase, ihe? How does that happen? Imagine if you were up on a mountain and it was a devil tempting you and you were getting antagonistic?

Me? I love those who do their tactics. You see, its a forum. They are doing their tactics in public where others see it and where they too will return and see their own tactics and read other peoples comments about the tactics they were doing, and sometimes, its like spat on mud has been rubbed in their eye and they see themselves in a mirror.

I guess I leave the "weak believers" for the Lord to strengthen though, after all, it's not like buda is the messiah!

Ihedinobi3:
I am willing to believe that you, for example, may not really intend to cause harm with your actions when we discuss, not least because I have a desire to accommodate everyone, if perchance I may save some, but I do not pretend that things are not what they seem only because I wish that they weren't. This is why I am answering you now: to give you the benefit of the doubt in the hope that I judged you wrong earlier.
You did not judge wrong, ihe. buda is, 'Grace of God' one moment, next its, 'God is being an ass', so I'd very strongly advise you not to believe anything about buda. But thanks for the benefit of your doubt.

Ihedinobi3:
Perhaps, you will receive this post as an insult or something along the same lines, but I hope that you don't. I do wish that you and I and others besides could talk "religious-speak" comfortably and encourage one another to please the Lord Jesus Christ in all things. That is partly what I hope for in these conversations, but I realize that it is a choice I cannot make for other people, so my primary duty is to protect those who have made the choice in the first place. This may mean that if you have no use for the Lord Jesus and His Truth, you and I will always run the risk of "get[ting that way] when [you] delve".
Above where I said one of my demands is "we don't insult buda" what I didn't tell you is, I got firewall so even if buda is insulted the insultation does not get to buda, and if it ever does, buda just turns the other cheek. Otherwise, what's the point of having a use for the Lord".

You have actually honoured me ihe by helping me understand and I really really appreciate that even if we never agree. I think our main difference is, you are the comforter and the encourager, and buda is whipping lazy ass folks so they think. That which is Godly will always prevail.
Christianity Etc › Re: I Need Your Help With This Question. It's Urgent. by budaatum: 6:49pm On Apr 01, 2019
Martinez39:
This room for redefining is irrational because I could redefine the word "atheist" to mean a christian mathematician and concluded that there are christian atheists where as it is impossible to simultaneously be an atheist and a christian.
I didn't understand your inclusion of "mathematician" here, and I didn't want to distract, but Christian atheists do exist.

Christian atheism is a form of cultural Christianity and ethics system drawing its beliefs and practices from Jesus' life and teachings as recorded in the New Testament Gospels and other sources, whilst rejecting supernatural claims of Christianity.

Christian atheism takes many forms: some Christian atheists take a theological position in which the belief in the transcendent or interventionist God is rejected or absent in favor of finding God totally in the world (Thomas J. J. Altizer) while others follow Jesus in a godless world (William Hamilton). Hamilton's Christian atheism is similar to Jesuism.
Christianity Etc › Re: I Need Your Help With This Question. It's Urgent. by budaatum: 6:42pm On Apr 01, 2019
Martinez39:
^^^^
@budaatum

You should have clumped this together rather than separated the last sentence away from it and add it to the remaining. You misunderstood me. Your bad.


I never said "muslim feminist" is a word. The word that has to be redefined to make being a muslim feminist possible is "muslim." That's all. You can also redefine "feminism" and "feminist" to have it the other way round.

It is impossible to be a muslim feminist except you redefine the word "muslim" to be compatible with feminism. Here are the definitions of the words "Muslim," "Feminism" and "Feminist."
Forgive me for I am dunce. Please explain to me using the definitions you posted to show me how muslim feminist cannot exist.
Christianity Etc › Re: Freethinkers! How Did Your Self-awakening Start? by budaatum:
Omooba224:
I must confess, you are a sage! Not being sarcastic though.
You are not being sarcastic Omooba.
Christianity Etc › Re: I Need Your Help With This Question. It's Urgent. by budaatum: 6:08pm On Apr 01, 2019
Martinez39:
What? You just saw the meaning of the phrase and you are still asking "in who's 'principle'?" Let me make it easy for you since you are struggling with the phrase "in principle" despite seeing it on google. Given the meaning of the words "Islam," "Muslim," "feminism" and "feminist" in the English language, it is not theoretically or logically possible to be a muslim feminist just as it not possible to have a four side triangle.
I disagree that "feminist muslim" is as impossible as a four sided triangle, Martinez39. For starts, a triangle is very very specifically "a plane figure with three straight sides and three angles that equal 180 degrees". It's so specific you'd never ever say the number of sides a triangle has.

You want to give me a definition of feminist and muslim that specific please?

Martinez39:
To have both, you must redefine the words "muslim" and "four" to accommodate such.
Why would I want to complicate simple things when I can just google? Let me show you!

Muslim, a person who professes an Abrahamic monotheistic religion teaching that there is only one God, and that Muhammad is the messenger of God.

Feminist, a person who practises feminism, which is a range of political movements, ideologies, and social movements that share a common goal: to define, establish, and achieve political, economic, personal, and social gender equality.

Martinez39:
This room for redefining is irrational because I could redefine the word "atheist" to mean a christian mathematician and concluded that there are christian atheists where as it is impossible to simultaneously be an atheist and a christian.
I wish you would just slow down a little Martinez39. You go so fast you leave me behind! Abeg. You know I'm not smart like you, biko.

Yes, it is irrational to "redefine atheist to mean Christian mathematician". Unless your name were google, perhaps, and even then! If you show credible data to show why you define so, then I guess it might stand on that authority. But if by redefining you mean making it up in your head, yes, that is very irrational indeed!

Martinez39:
This is basically what muslim feminists are doing. I could also redefine any word in the English language to mean anything I want.
Did you seriously just miss the fact that the phrase "muslim feminist" is not a "word" but, two words, Martinez39?

Can you tell me please if English Language is very very specifically not "the joining of any words to mean anything I want"? About "you could" when that's what is done!

Martinez39:
So are we speaking English or not? Have you redefined the word "muslim"?
I'm speaking English Language where two words is a phrase and not a "a word". Are you, 39? And I'm not talking about "muslim"!

Muslim Feminist, a person who professes that there is only one God, and that Muhammad is the messenger of God and practises in a range of political movements, ideologies, and social movements that aim to define, establish, and achieve political, economic, personal, and social gender equality.

Join words together to mean what I say, then find authority to show that I'm not making it up in my head, 39, in English language.
Art, Graphics & Video › Re: Brand New Canon 5D Mark iii For Sale At A Give Away Price by budaatum: 5:18pm On Apr 01, 2019
Bilkol:
5D mrk III is way more cheaper than what Jumia sells and moreover its second even though it’s almost 99.9% new and secondly most people are ditching DSLR for mirroless and we that said amount you can get a 5D Mrk IV
Where?
Art, Graphics & Video › Re: Brand New Canon 5D Mark iii For Sale At A Give Away Price by budaatum: 5:14pm On Apr 01, 2019
Avelebu!

Don't know seller, mind, but knows about counters which is knowledge, and cheaper than you'd find anywhere!

The EOS 5D Mark III is a full-frame 22.3 MP DSLR with 61-point autofocus and 6fps continuous shooting. Capture high-quality Full HD movies, with manual control over everything from frame rate to audio.

[color=#BA55D3]I think you should name thread Canon DSLRS Shop, since you have more than one. And unless you terminate, buda works here.

Thanks for hiring.[/color]

Avelebu!
Christianity Etc › Re: I Need Your Help With This Question. It's Urgent. by budaatum: 4:33pm On Apr 01, 2019
Martinez39:
Use a dictionary or the Google search engine to learn the meaning of the phrase "in principle."
In who's "principle", 39?

Christianity Etc › Re: Freethinkers! How Did Your Self-awakening Start? by budaatum: 4:26pm On Apr 01, 2019
Omooba224:
Wow! What a caring and loving mom! I am pretty she was bewildered by your level of intelligence at that age. You were damn too fortunate to have such a reading background.

Don't tell me read all these.
You are really a bookworm. I cherish that.
Yeah, they are great parents. My fortune was no telly part formative years till I put my foot down for Festac. And even then it held no candle to my infant diet of BBC, so boring. Besides, no light, so me a book and candles were friends till I got myself a lantern. And when there was light I had the worlds radio on pa's Blaupunkt - three floors up we got everywhere on it, though that high up meant no going out so indoors with four sisters and book.

Bookworm isn't intelligence though. You first read to extract content of book.
Then understand, to know what extracted content means (I read Homer four times before even getting the story!)
Then you get to consider the implications of what you read.
Then you decide, if you are aware, whether to internalise what you understand or not.
And even check if what you've read is already internalised. You get this with the bad stuff a la twig in my eye and not forest in other's eyes, so I call it "drycleaning the mind".
Then it all has to evolve into intelligence (in ones conduct) which takes time.
And I'm told, into wisdom, which takes forever, or never, in the case of some.
And .........
Christianity Etc › Re: Something About INHERITED Sin In Christianity/original Sin by budaatum: 3:38pm On Apr 01, 2019
Ihedinobi3:
It looks like a panel discussion, and it's a 58-minute video. I'm disinclined to watch it, not least because Bible teaching is not a democratic exercise.

Regardless what the video says, it is true that no human descendant inherits the sins of its forebears. Each person is responsible for their own sins.
Thanks. I agree up to here. I'm not too good deciphering the religious speak in the rest and you know how we'd get when I delve.
Christianity Etc › Re: I Need Your Help With This Question. It's Urgent. by budaatum: 3:14pm On Apr 01, 2019
Martinez39:
Perhaps we can redefine the word "muslim" to accommodate such.
We already did, 39. Feminist Muslim!
Christianity Etc › Re: I Need Your Help With This Question. It's Urgent. by budaatum: 3:12pm On Apr 01, 2019
Martinez39:
Helping sexual assault victims is not necessarily feminism or maybe it is. One cannot be a muslim feminist in principle. They can only go as far as labelling themselves "muslim feminist" but in principle, being a muslim feminist is impossible. Muslim feminism, just like rational irrational numbers, is impossible.

Perhaps we can redefine the word "muslim" to accommodate such.
So, it is "in principle", your principle, that Muslim feminists can not exist?

I think I get you now 39, your theist logic! You close your eyes and claim what you see not exists not while cooking up imaginary in principles in your head instead!
Christianity Etc › Re: On The False Doctrine Of Adamic Sin! by budaatum(op): 3:06pm On Apr 01, 2019
Omooba224:
; D
My bad! Why did I even mention a non-existent dude in the first place? I failed to perceive such an imaginary folk yet I was quick to say he is not omnipotent.
No! You're not off that easy! After all, we all know Okonkwo didn't exist but he still killed an imaginary Ikemefuna!

If God were omnipotent, what could mortal not so potent humans know about it?
Christianity Etc › Re: On The False Doctrine Of Adamic Sin! by budaatum(op): 3:02pm On Apr 01, 2019
Janosky:
It's not a flaw.

The question is: Where did the flaw arise;from the maker of the knife or the wrong purposes for which the knife was put to use?
Ecclesiastics 7:29.
There's no flaw, then there is a flaw!? Do we agree there's a flaw then? I don't agree it's like knifes though, since that which energises the knife is the external hand that pits it to use and that which energises humans is their own internal freewill, I think we agreed, though I'd not quibble on the initial spark.

If so, is not the potential to be flawed a flaw in the design itself?
Christianity Etc › Re: The Atheist's Prayer by budaatum: 2:49pm On Apr 01, 2019
Satan66:
Atheism isn't a belief
It's a LACK of belief in any deity
Ok, a shared union of belief lackers in a deity, then.
Would that do?
Christianity Etc › Re: I Need Your Help With This Question. It's Urgent. by budaatum: 2:46pm On Apr 01, 2019
Martinez39:
This is a welcome development. This country doesn't take rape seriously. If you rape someone in this country, you can bail your self out ₦500,000 angry . Hope they can protest against this nonsensical law. As I have said, this is a welcome development but they should not start falsely accusing boys of rape and sending them to jail like they do in USA and Europe.
Can we call them Muslims and feminists, 39?
Christianity Etc › Re: The Atheist's Prayer by budaatum: 2:40pm On Apr 01, 2019
Satan66:
Since when does union refer to religious beliefs?
Union is simply another meaning for a group people.
Learn something before spewing out rubbish
You didn't mean religion as, union of people with shared atheist beliefs?
Christianity Etc › Re: I Need Your Help With This Question. It's Urgent. by budaatum: 2:37pm On Apr 01, 2019
Survivors of sexual abuse and harassment are sharing their experiences on social media, using the #ArewaMeToo hashtag.
The #MeToo movement has reached Muslim-majority northern Nigeria
Christianity Etc › Re: The Atheist's Prayer by budaatum: 2:16pm On Apr 01, 2019
Satan66:
I'm not in support of this rubbish.
We're are atheist, what concerns us with a prayer?
You're basically turning our union into a religion.
You too turned it into a religion with "union". Lol.
Christianity Etc › Re: Freethinkers! How Did Your Self-awakening Start? by budaatum: 2:11pm On Apr 01, 2019
Omooba224:
How did your Ma and Pa manage to accept your views at that tender age?
Accept my views? You're funny! Who accepts the views of a child? After 11 no dad I kept my views to myself or got beat for opening mouth. Choice was yours, buda! I was small too so easy beat. Had to provide evidence for whatever I claimed, and "read this" didn't cut it.

Here's how I dealt with Oyinbo talking rats.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Christian Chatbox ( sticky) by budaatum: 1:58pm On Apr 01, 2019
Ihedinobi3:
S/he already did at the link. What does the video say?
It's long, an hour, and I'm very fearful of doing it injustice so can't sumarise better than it's title. It is thought provoking, but ihe, you will not like it as it's contrarian. If you can, ochi.
Christianity Etc › Re: On The False Doctrine Of Adamic Sin! by budaatum(op): 1:49pm On Apr 01, 2019
Omooba224:
No, I haven't. The phone I am using is damn slow, it is a 2g-mode phone which won't allow me to watch it.
Sorry, no transcript. But worth watching.

(I apologise for assuming in my head to insult you for being lazy. The one above stands though till defended!)
Christianity Etc › Re: On The False Doctrine Of Adamic Sin! by budaatum(op): 1:46pm On Apr 01, 2019
Omooba224:
This is one of the reasons "omnipotence" quality of god is an illusion. He knew the angels were going to be rebellious yet he created them. Now, such rebellious acts of the creatures infuriate him. Then why is he omnipotent, was he not supposed to know their fallibilities?
I like what you did there. You assume God isn't omnipotent with your impotent ability to perceive!

You must defend yourself strongly against my insulting allegation above, Omooba. Make sure you understand what I mean first please.
Christianity Etc › Re: Freethinkers! How Did Your Self-awakening Start? by budaatum:
Omooba224:
Dayum! My Gee! You are so lucky to have had such an inquisitive childhood where you also had enough resources (books). You were not too fed with garbages. Do you still remember the books you read at that time? If yes, mention them so that someone out there might be helped.

How did your Ma and Pa manage to accept your views at that tender age?

Sorry if I am being too inquisitive. ..
Pa was good with it but wasn't around after 11. Ma, on the other hand was more a Martha than a Mary so sitting for hours seemingly doing nothing didn't quite go down well with her. "Where'd you get money to buy that book buda? Stolen again?" Money went missing a l lot and you must have heard the one about witches crying and babies dying the following day. Ma would search my bags and rip my books if she found them, though it didn't help that Hadley Chase had porn on the front. Got her back when I grew though. I told her I'm tired of having an ignorant ma so she must read and dragged her to the opticians when she excused she can't see. I now got me a smart ma, and got to thank her for making her koboko teach me to read in the first place.

I kept a list for years. That's how obsessed I was, though non-fiction (tort law et al) and magazines (thirteen years worth of Readers Digest, National Geographic and Rosicrucian Digest etc) was excluded as I didn't consider them worth recording when I began. Too large to upload however, and its got some personal details so not link. The book fell apart and I transferred to another and put those I'd read to then in some order. Below is the first four pages. The back pages was for gem quotes.


*Edit* I'm taking these down. I stopped keeping record in the 90s because it felt vain. It still does so I'll leave a tiny snipet.

Christianity Etc › Re: Religion A Necessity For Now? by budaatum: 1:08am On Apr 01, 2019
"ankh wedja seneb"
Christianity Etc › Re: Freethinkers! How Did Your Self-awakening Start? by budaatum: 12:49am On Apr 01, 2019
OtemAtum:
20. Now all the people gathered together to imagine what they wished to let Luwabi see in his dream. And they imagined deep into the night, saying, since Luwabi has already heard our threat, he shall dream it also.
grin
Christianity Etc › Re: Freethinkers! How Did Your Self-awakening Start? by budaatum: 12:17am On Apr 01, 2019
Freethinker, lol. Sounds like freedom from slavery. Yuk!

buda became a thinker as soon as buda became conscious and it was early before anyone had an opportunity to enslave buda thinking. There was buda two year buda sister and buda was split two aware happened, the reduction in personal resources. Ma nurse pa lawyer so time that was short got shorter by half. We'd fight over things and she cry and it's buda fault because buda was gollem "mine! mine!" Then two years buda sister and naija and things dried up in the sun. I stuck any free book I got my hands in buda head and thought for budaself then two years buda sister twins!

Thankfully a lot of homes had bookshelfs full of books that were never gonna be read so they were cheap so long as I could get them past my friend's fathers who sometimes had read them with their, "you're too young to read that book!" I'd wait till they're out read some tell so they know. The agbayas who never read a word would hit call buda names tell their child no be buda friend no more but enough were delighted and let buda read book.

If you don't use your head naija life will be hard where resources are tight. And you don't do stupid on Lagos street or you'd get beat where I grew up. Awakening however? At 1 year old when demon things disturbed me at night but that's a story for another day.
Christianity Etc › Re: On The False Doctrine Of Adamic Sin! by budaatum(op): 10:55pm On Mar 31, 2019
Omooba224:
I would like to get the video transcript. Any help @budaatum?
Have you watched it?
Christianity Etc › Re: On The False Doctrine Of Adamic Sin! by budaatum(op):
Janosky:
Adam and Eve were no zombies ,neither were angels ,Gen6:2 says angels chose to marry daughters of men.

Is it a flaw for a free moral agent to make choices for himself?
I think it's a flaw if the created disobeys the creator.

And it wasn't the first time either! Or did lucifer fall after Adam. A big flaw, I think. Or perfect freewill disobeying beings. Twice!

What you think?
Christianity Etc › Re: On The False Doctrine Of Adamic Sin! by budaatum(op): 9:24pm On Mar 31, 2019
"What I am really curious about is whether Oyakhilome himself teaches his own two daughters the same kind of claptrap he feeds his congregation. I really will like to know if Oyakhilome wakes his daughters up in the morning and instructs them to respect their future husbands as their “masters” because he is not simply “another woman”? Does he also tell them that womanhood is a spiritually and socially degraded position, and that their chance at successful marital relationship is contingent on their firing the embers of their husband’s ego whenever it smolders? Does he teach them that they were an afterthought, created after God had made the ideal – the man? As he watches his own daughters grow into womanhood, does he tell them that their happiness depends on understanding a man, worshipping him and servicing his needs? If Oyakhilome had a son, would he have raised him to believe that women were created for his service and pleasure? In case Oyakhilome does not know, such messages about women existing to service male pleasure have been interwoven within cultures for ages and is a principal promoter of sexual violence."

The Ideology of a Pig!

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