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vaxx:
There are many issues that cause this issue. these are related to investments in infrastructure, education, access to funds and control of the market by the large company in the production and distribution sectors. So not on the lack of intellectual as we are really made to belive. It is wrong priority from the goverment and society at large.

That "government and society at large", us, collectively, currently lack the knowledge, vaxx, to not have "wrong priority" and create "the investments in infrastructure, education, access to funds and control of the market by the large company in the production and distribution sectors". And those with knowledge of how to create them, create them and have them. No gods from heaven gave it to those who have those things you listed. At one point they didn't have them, and now they do have them. Just as we too will some day have them when we learn to have the right priorities and learn to create them.

Ubenedictus:
Lol, it is in man's heart to seek truth, but we all must admit we may never know how it all and there is humility in not always knowing

May never know? Perhaps way long after we've done a lot more searching, yes. For now, we haven't begun scratching the surface so its way too soon for "we may never know", least not for we Nigerians who don't appear to know there's a surface to scratch not to talk of knowing how to scratch it!

Abbeybailey:
I never said that. Please don't put on me what I never said. I have so many friends here that lives in Nigeria that contribute in this Section that I agree with. It's the ones I disagree with that I counter their opinions with me saying it's real life to some of us not watching Faux News.

Don't worry. Next time you say it, I'll point it out to you.

vaxx:
Then you agree and accept that logic is deductive reasoning.

Epistemologicallly its asset of judgements does not require experience (sense data, empirical data) for making up truth. So i ask in another tone, how do you want us take a system of reasoning that do not require experience for their truth seriously especially on a complex issue like life.?

Try applying the scientific method of reasoning too. After all, no one says logic, which is like covering one eye to see, is the only lens of scrutiny!

johnydon22:
His number 2 was a logical leap without connection to 1. But oh well. Who get energy kwanu?

You do, actually, and me too, thread after thread after thread.

Don't sell yourself short, johnydon. If the people we're discussing with don't get it, there's many more silently reading who do, as the evidence has shown by those who have come to see the logic of what we say and dumped their beliefs. Please relent not nor despair.

gensteejay:
This sort of discussion about God does not usually lead to any tangible conclusion. Even though I'm more of a knowledge seeker and rational thinker than a believer, I would still hold on to my belief that this universe, including our world, was designed by a Maker, but not the gods of religions who themselves are parts of this Maker.

I have not seen any logical reason to believe otherwise.

Well, least you admit it is a belief - a "creations and fabrications of men", or "things cooked up in the head", as I'd put it, and not actual knowledge based on your own scrutiny of the evidence with your own senses.

I wonder if you've heard of my belief? It's to do with an imaginary million pounds that's in my bank account with which I intend to buy a spanking brand new red Ferrari as soon as I find a Ferrari salesperson willing to believe me. You don't happen to sell Ferraris do you?

If there was a concept that ought to be common to atheists (not that there is one, or at least, not all atheists subscribe to it though they ought to), I'd say it's the scientific method, which is the critical analysis of beliefs. It's a way to check if the beliefs we hold on to are valid or not, and why science, the scrutiny and analysis of evidence, thrives and leads to progress. Without it, the earth would still be the centre of the universe and flat.

Abbeybailey:
Tell me one instance I stopped or try to stop someone from expressing their views about America.

You do appear to constantly state that Nigerians should not talk about America, Abbeybailey, and you include statements to that effect in your posts. Please go back and read some of them.

As to actually stopping. I doubt you can if you tried.

Martinez19:
Are you sure you saw the first video 0:21 - 0:35? Hillary Clinton supported the open border policy during her presidential campaign. Why don't you research yourself?

You know me Martinez19. I don't do believe, as in cook things up in my head and claim it is what actually exists! Please go through links below. It's a simple google search. Then come back and tell me if Hillary wants open borders please.

Hillary on open borders

Martinez19:
You said Trump is an ass. That is a statement he can masturbate to so he has no reason to insult you over that fap material.

That's my opinion, and I can be talking through my ass. It does not mean it must be everyone else's opinion, or everyone who disagrees we me hasn't got an ass. I think Atiku is an ass too and wonder if he and Trump are ass related!

Abbeybailey:
That's a wrong analogy. The African blood in me will watch soccer and don't forget I watch Bundeglesia, La Liga, EPL and even MSL plus I love American Football. Go Chicago Bears, the Monsters of the Midway.

Why can't you just accept that the zero dollar in my pocket gives me a say in America then? Or is my zero dollar not my blood?

I strongly disagree with you that anyone who wishes to can talk about America. It's after all a nation that affects the whole world, despite the dollars in the blood of some of us amounting to zilch.

Abbeybailey:
You are absolutely wrong. 50% of Americans according to Gallup Poll believe he is a racist. Show me one president in American history that have that kind of horrible record. He's a vile racist.

Does that not mean the remaining 50% don't think he is racist

Help me please. I think I might be lost here.

Martinez19:
Lol. My last sentence was sarcastic. You know he is known to heavily insult those with opposing views or those who challenge him.

Well, I'm sure I've stated some views that oppose his, and challenged him, but can't say he's insulted me yet. Must be something I did to his telly or something.

Abbeybailey:
Watching the same thing too. Except i am not happy my Man U is not doing good. Lol Go Man U.

Excuse me, but you are not allowed to watch UK's Man U since you are not from Manchester and don't live in UK! Go watch American football or something else played in the America you live in!




Now tell me that's not a very stupid thing to say, and ask me if the telly you're watching is mine!

Martinez19:
Gbam! I have told him this over and over in the past but his head is too dense to accommodate facts. Hopefully, he won't insult you.

Insult buda? Lol! Like I care! Insults are a clear sign of weakness and ignorance that I put under bullying and an inability to put one's point across, and by golly I am strong enough to let the weakness of the ignorant flow off my back.

Abbeybailey:
You got me wrong. What i said is look at their posts and tell me where they discuss about the happenings in Nigeria that affects their life daily. It's not about Foreign Section alone. I think charity begins at home. I visit Nigeria frequently since my parents retired to Nigeria and i hardly delve into the politics because I believe that the guys here are better informed than i.

That's your choice not to discuss Nigerian politics, and not mine! I don't live in America, but Trump is an ass, and no one can make me not say so so I'll say so if I want and anyone don't like it can do whatever they want and see if I care!

I repeat, Trump is an ass! Report or and insult me if you don't like me stating my opinion and see if I give a damn!

Martinez19:
In the first video I gave, she said "let's not do what does not works." what was that? "... closing our borders and pulling the gangplank." Her support for the open border policy was a common fact during her presidential campaign and for democrats to turn around and say she did not support the open border policy is outright denial or pathetic ignorance.

No it wasn't, Martinez19! And only your desire to hate her makes you say so. She specifically said her open borders applied to energy in the video you yourself posted, and not free entry for anyone who wishes to come in as Trump kept repeating she meant! Or are you just asking me to take Trumps word for it? If she did say what you're saying she said, I wonder why all the immigrants who wanted their families to join them didn't vote for her, or are you saying they didn't hear her say so or they all stupid?

Anyone with a brain in their head would know that no one campaigning for President of America would campaign on open borders for everyone!

Abbeybailey:
I get that from the pig lovers here in Nigeria that never mention anything about the leaders mortgaging their future while their children and family are living off the hog. That's what I meant by that. Look at their previous posts and tell me where they ever have any discuss about the worthless Thieflicians destroying Nigeria.

We discuss Nigeria under relevant threads, and not in this Trump thread, note. And saying we shouldn't is like telling Nigerians who support the EPL they shouldn't, or that I should eat eba and not fish and chips because I'm Nigerian.

I might not have 1st Ammendment Rights, being that I don't live in America, but its my mouth and I can do whatever I want with it, and personally, I think you should just shake your head and laugh at me instead of insulting me, since you ought to know that the President of America is not elected by my opinion, but by actual physical votes of Americans!

BraniacX:
A known crook and your proof is?
This is your chance to prove you're not stupid

I don't need to prove I'm not stupid to you. Unlike others, I'm satisfied with you calling me names. But if you care, the privatisation he championed when he was VP is enough for me not to support him, and you don't get to tell the likes of me what to do with my own pvc! At least, I don't need to obey you!

Abbeybailey:
@ Anduku, I know you have no answer to your god bigotry and racism against minorities in America and that's why 50% of Americans believe that Trump is a racist according to Gallup Poll.

Just note that that Gallup Poll is also saying 50% of Americans believe that Trump is not a racist.

Kophschmerzen:
I have Nigerian guys that are finishing grad school in droves, no company is willing to sponsor anyone for H-1b visas. The requirements and regulations are now so tough. Indian software guys are leaving in droves, cos the Trump administration is using a loophole in STEM grad requirement to stop the extension of their work visas.

That's one way of seeing it. How about those Indians leaving because they are not required, after all, would a company not hire them if they need to and can't find a native? Just remember, the reduction in H-1b visas sponsorship reduced under Obama and due to the recession and not for anything else.

Abbeybailey:
Nope, you are wrong. I have no problem with people expressing their 1st amendment right. The problem i have with guys like you is that you love a racist pig who loathes people that looks like you with all the cells in his body. If 90% of African Americans voted against him because of his bigotry, who the hell are you who never live a second in America to dictate to us that he's the best thing since sliced bread.

You might as well ask why the 10% support him too, or don't they see him as sliced bread too?

Martinez19:
Listen again and stop being dishonest.

You stop being dishonest Martinez19! What she said is very clear!

Martinez19:
@ LordReed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrVTMAEsFRA

Later, they say we are misinformed and ignorant.

This is Trump saying Hillary wants open borders, and not Hillary saying she wants open borders for people!

Abbeybailey:
Presidential election in Nigeria is coming up in Feb and none of you Orange heads are interested

And where did you get that from Even over in UK there is Trump obsession and last time I checked he wasn't the President of UK. Smh!

BraniacX:
Better border security? with what? A wall? A fence? A see through wall? Some slats? Or a stealth wall as invisible as trumps f-35's? it really does take a peculiar kind of stupid to be an APC supporter in Nigeria (extrapolate to the american equivalent ) even trump had reportedly dropped the idea of a wall early on in his admin after being told the costs and its ineffectiveness but after being called out on it, he's digging in like a petulant child afraid of loosing face! But you trumpazees don't get it(mark that i differentiate between republicans and trumpanzees) trump might get his funding, but at a much reduced cost and tied to giving DACA recipients permanent status so if that happens, you're expected to come here mouthing of about trumps genius without factoring the big trade of democrats are going to take credit for

Thanks for the "stupid". Even though Sai my bubu, but down Trump. How supporting Atiku, a known crook who wishes to sell, or rather, own the golden goose is not stupid defies reason in my book!

gensteejay:
A plethora of evidence abound: from microsystems, like microbes, animals, men, women, plants, etc. to macrosystems, like natural satellites (moons), planets, stars (or suns), galaxies, etc.

By studying all these and appreciating their complexity, one can observe a number of facts about them:

1. Each of the systems is governed by (natural/universal) Laws, Principles
2. Like these Laws and Principles cannot just become manifest out of thin air, these systems must have been designed by some intelligence

No. Your 2, does not necessarily follow. The fact that a thing exists does not imply that a thing maker must exist, and is shown by the simple fact that believers in creators would argue that there is no creators creator ad infinitum. You got to wonder why they don't extend 2 to their gods, unless one wishes to be lazy. Thats why we call it the god of the gaps. The ignorance we fill in our ignorance with.

gensteejay:
Yes, apart from evolution there were several advanced entities (called gods in religion) that designed and fashioned ancient men, microbes, plants, animals.

Those entities also designed suns, moons, and I think planets (not sure I remember this correctly). All these are claims from those books I made mention of earlier.

I think there

Except that the things one thinks up in ones head are just that, thoughts, and have nothing to do with what may or may not actually exist. There after all is some reality that does exist, like the river, and its components, which can be broken down into the water, the H₂O it's made of, and even the components that brought about the H an O about and so on, so why fill in the limits of whats known, the gaps in ones knowledge, with a thought of and made up creator that there's no evidence for? Is it not more appropriate to just accept the limits of ones knowledge rather than fill it up with mere beliefs?

Hermes019:
I don't really understand your question ?,is that for me or gensteejay

It was for you, and is an answer to your question, an answer you yourself provided.

Ranchhoddas:
Wiggle what? What does the bold mean exactly? Days, weeks, months. If your doctor came to examine you when your condition was really severe and left your room and returned five minutes later to see you dancing, would his reaction not be markedly different.
I have no stake in this. I am only trying to point out dishonesty. It is very possible that suggestive mind exercises can trigger or hasten the process of healing as in your case. The cause(s) and effects as seen in your case is clear. This is not a miracle. It does not defy logic.
If this thing happens in a non-hospital environment; say a temple, or a prayer crusade, then it is a miracle; especially if it happens in a matter of seconds. This defies logic and science.
It's a miracle, and I dare say such rapid healing cannot happen without the intervention of an external agency.

The external entities were the moving petals in the picture on the wall and the crane that came in through the window to move my toes and the wonderful surgeons too and all. The surgeon came in and toes did not move, and when he returned they were dancing.

Only ignorance defies logic, Ranch, and that's what a miracle is, ignorance!

I sense a miracle at you birth!

Hello SC! How's gf?

Ranchhoddas:
An argument can be made that it was.
But this is not what I mean. I have updated my definition of miracles to include time frame. This healings occur instantaneously and not over a long period of time as happened in your case.

I call what you are doing here, "wiggle". It's what people do when cornered, and is dishonest!

The time from "move your toes" to toes eventually moving was not exactly long, Ranch!