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Ranchhoddas:
So someone who has been battling the disease for over two decades, has suffered several crises, takes Niprisan on a regular basis, suddenly has no need for any medication immediately after a church service; a service which he fell to the ground without any prompting was improperly diagnosed.

Improper diagnosis? That's your conclusion. I don hear you.

I was once at a meeting at a friend of mine where they were discussing what to do with a destitute woman and her three children in their church.

TBJ had healed her husband of hiv. The man was so grateful, he gave TBJ a house in gratitude and stopped taking his medication. He then fell ill and was rushed to the doctor who found out he'd stopped taking his medication. "You stupid man" doctor said, "do you not know this medication is what stops you from falling ill and dying?" And doctor put him back on medication and man got better, and went back to TBJ to tell him what had happened.

"O you of little faith" said TBJ, and 'cured' the man again of hiv and the man gave him a second house in gratitude. But soon after not taking his medication he fell ill again and was rushed to the doctor who put him back on drugs and he got better, again.

When he had recovered, he went back to TBJ and TBJ cured him again and told him to have more faith, and he gave TBJ his final and last house. And when he fell ill, he refused to go to the doctor and refused his medication because finally, we was having faith.

The meeting I was at were of the Catholic Church he'd always attended and where he had left his destitute wife and children because he had had faith in TBJ and given him his three houses and had died!

vaxx:
What piss me off is the inability not to perfect the weaponry ideology after we were invaded.

An inability to not even be smart enough to improve, perhaps?

vaxx:
we were smart. We were exploited thru guns and force.

Cunning craftiness? Superior technology and smartness?

Well, whether one calls it smartness or savagery is really a choice of perspective. I would say we weren't smart enough to resist their deception and savagery. Same difference to me and not the point per se.

As to the record regarding agriculture, medicine and economy, and how well we were doing, one could argue that the records show that ancient Egypt was more advanced than most of Europe, but I can't from that infer that Africa was more advanced than the whole of Europe since Egypt hardly extended over the entire Africa. And prior to the arrival of foreigners amongst my own Yoruba tribe, we were already ravaging ourselves through wars, so I can't say we were peaceful. The battle for supremacy between Obatala and Oduduwa afterall does predate the arrival of Europeans, and is a war going on till today.

Arguing such points though, when much more is at stake is just a way of perpetuating our inability to learn and progress, in my opinion.

vaxx:
i will not call that smartness. I will rather called that savagies .( why will you invade a peaceful nations that has nothing to do with you) Africa is by far peaceful compared to the west in antiguity, so there is no need to master the techniques of war to an advanced level that the west had learn.

We were doing well in other fied like economy , medicine and agriculture far better than the west. The record is there. What piss me off is the inability not to pefect the weaponry ideology after we were invaded.

frosbel2:
Blacks NEVER ruled the world within the confines of your historical knowledge and awareness. In your parochial train of thought , the black man was always at 'rock bottom'. I refuse to agree.

No one is saying "the black man was always at 'rock bottom'" ! Stop strawmaning people! Blacks never ruled the world! In fact, no race ever ruled the world! They might have ruled parts of it, but never the entire world, and the entire extent of any particular African empire never even ruled the whole of Africa, not to talk of the entire world!

frosbel2:
You are the type of white man worshipping Nigerian who has facilitated our current state of subservience to the western man , because you agree with him when he says we have always been savages and without the white man we would have perished. This narrative is not only false, it is silly, dishonest and a sign of inferiority complex.

I am a black Nigerian living amongst white folks and manage quite a few of them. Do you think I walk down the road subservient to them, or that I am a savage? When I say "go", they go, and when I say "come", they come, first note that!

Who's saying we have always been savages here?

I suppose sacrificing humans to gods would qualify as savagery, but were the British not savages at some point? Were the Romans not savages at some point? Were the Germanians not savages at some point? How about the Chinese and the Aztecs, all did after all sacrifice humans to their gods at some point, despite the fact that some have rewritten their savage history to hide the fact?

Almost every, if not all, races have savagery in their history if you dig back deep enough, is what we are saying, and no nation has progressed by going backwards. You progress by learning from others and when you refuse to learn from others, you decline! Going back to some mythical past state of unsavagery will only perpetuate savagery! Mao tried it and millions died!

frosbel2:
All nations have at one time or the other ruled the THEN WORLD and that includes Africans.

That's a lie! The Aztecs never ruled the world, despite their greatness! The Chinese, the Indians, the Arabs all never ruled the world despite their greatness! Even the Romans, the Greeks, the Spaniards and the Germans never ruled the world despite their greatness All nations have never at one time ruled the world! In fact, no nation, or race even, has ever ruled the world, and no nation has ever even ruled the whole of Africa! Not Mansa Musa, not the Egyptians, or even the Europeans, for that matter!

frosbel2:
Yes of course, but we were the only set of people who ABANDONED our way of life WHOLESALE for that of the foreigner.

No we weren't "the only set of people who ABANDONED our way of life WHOLESALE for that of the foreigner"! The entire Europe abandoned their barbaric way of life and accepted foreign Christianity! The whole Arab world abandoned their barbaric way of life and accepted foreign Judaism and called it Islam! Britain abandoned its barbaric way of life and adopted foreign Christianity. And most, and if not all of those places are thriving!

frosbel2:
Can you not see that Africans practice some of the most virulent forms of religious fanaticism and terrorism. I was in the North for my NYSC and can tell you from my experience that the reason why it so backward is religious indoctrination. Religion for them supersedes everything in value from education and relationships to employment and economics. I observed that all the small kids were not sent to nursery school but the Islamic school to cram the Quran into their heads instead of teaching them science, mathematics and economics. This will then produce the next set of ignorant Africans and potential fanatics.

Same thing with Christianity. People have died embracing faith healing, millions have been exploited in the name of tithes and offerings, sexual abuse is endemically prevalent in churches - in fact it is a plague. Instead of the younger ones aiming and learning to be innovators, inventors and entrepreneurs they would rather go to Night vigils, role in mud ( Lord Chosens ) and perform some of the most crazy religious rites ever known to modern man.

Whenever I land in Nigeria, I feel like I have travelled back in time, as far as our religious fervour goes, I guess I know my history. All nations were at the fanatic stage when they 'initially' adopt a foreign religion. Do you know that Europe was thrown into the dark ages through its uncritical fanatical acceptance of Christianity and that it was the arrival of Islam that brought them out of its practice of "virulent forms of religious fanaticism and terrorism"? All over Europe in the dark ages, "Jesus was Lord", and God help you if you disagreed. You'd be burnt at the stake for not going to church at one point! But look at Europe today, thriving, despite Church in every parish. I look out my window and there's four already, albeit one has been converted to flats today and another is a mosque. I wonder what they would have been like if they had stuck to their barbaric ways and not accepted foreign ideology!!

frosbel2:
Tell me how your people can ever progress with this mindset ??

The mindset of 'God Dey', 'God knows best ', 'things shall take care of themselves', 'pray about it' etc.... is not going to take the black man forward.

Religion has to die.

As I said, this is where your thread makes sense, but your approach doesn't. You seem to think it is foreign religion that has to die, where I would say it is our religious ideology that has to be killed.

And despite the illusion of having learnt foreign religions and abandoned our own, we in fact have just put new wines in the same old bottles - continued our old way of worship but just changed the names of the gods!

We Nigerians have this same mindset you speak of to all our gods, whether it be Yahweh, Chukwu, Allah or Ogun, and it will indeed only take us backward until we truly take our "god ideology" to the bottom of the river and bash its heads in, and adopt another!

Vaxx started a good point with his post on his thread on the same subject but for some reason has declined to continue it, unfortunately! And forgive me for saying, but you haven't quite shown a capacity for it, yet! Still, subscribe to that thread in case it gets going again. Vaxx does have a lot to teach when he bothers.

Whether we like it or not, the 'another' will be steeped in the scientific ideology, which is foreign (since we would not be reinventing the wheel), and will be a religion, at least so far as we propagate it. Going back to some mythical past is not the solution!

vaxx:
we were smart. We were exploited thru guns and force. It ia to be noted china, india , America were once exploited nations too. Even the exploiter (British) had once been exploited before

I have not argued that we weren't exploited. Please read from the beginning of this thread so that your contribution can be relevant!

The smarter people (or 'cunningly crafty', as frosbel2 termed it) would always exploit the less smart, is my argument here. The Romans were able to exploit the Britons for this reason, as were the Spanish the Aztecs, Britain the Chinese, and Europe most of Africa, and so on and on.

frosbel2:
Not all tribes practised human sacrifice. Speaking for my own Igbo group, there is no documentation or evidence of human sacrifice, none - zilch - zero.

Not all tribes practised human sacrifice.

There's none for my tribe either. And finding any that the British did is almost impossible. But one would be deluded to think either did not sacrifice humans since its common to rewrite history and erased much from it that we'd rather people don't know happened.

DDeliverer:
I smell fears...

If Buhari decides to share 5k, Atiku would share 10k. Atiku would beat Buhari blue black...

Lol

Buhari is not sharing one kobo to anybody.
I strongly advice you go and get a job!

Allee90:
We Southerners are the enemies of ourselves. Instead of the Idiot pastor to predict for a Southerner becoming a president he is predicting a far away illiterate Aboki from Gombe State

He should predict what God did not tell him?

Na wa o.

policy12:
Same God different messages..

Makes one wonder who is confused.

Johnsown1:
Oga this is catholic church not pentecostal Mission, they have rules

And Fr Mbaka might want to consider following those rules!

ugooinnocent:
Fr. Mbaka support or endorsement has nothing to do with my voting. Beside it's an open secret. Anyway I like fr. Mbaka.爸爸加油加油，我爱你死了

I thought you should be loving Jesus to die

urahara:
The guy is just bloody ignorant . And for bleeps sake, Egyptians were not black

Oh, that's why I'm bombarding him with education lol.

He does not realise that his miseducation is due to his own religion.

raptex:
Lol......I thought this was your family history for a second....
...

Knew it might come across as such. But those who know me know I quote in brown.

A good read, won't you say?

frosbel2:
Speak for your tribe, there was no Human sacrifice in the part of Igbo land that I hail from.

Continue to deceive yourself!

My parents’ home, in Umujieze, Nigeria, stands on a hilly plot that has been in our family for more than a hundred years. Traditionally, the Igbo people bury their dead among the living, and the ideal resting place for a man and his wives is on the premises of their home. My grandfather Erasmus, the first black manager of a Bata shoe factory in Aba, is buried under what is now the visitors’ living room. My grandmother Helen, who helped establish a local church, is buried near the study. My umbilical cord is buried on the grounds, as are those of my four siblings. My eldest brother, Nnamdi, was born while my parents were studying in England, in the early nineteen-seventies; my father, Chukwuma, preserved the dried umbilical cord and, eighteen months later, brought it home to bury it by the front gate. Down the hill, near the river, in an area now overrun by bush, is the grave of my most celebrated ancestor: my great-grandfather Nwaubani Ogogo Oriaku. Nwaubani Ogogo was a slave trader who gained power and wealth by selling other Africans across the Atlantic. “He was a renowned trader,” my father told me proudly. “He dealt in palm produce and human beings.”

Long before Europeans arrived, Igbos enslaved other Igbos as punishment for crimes, for the payment of debts, and as prisoners of war. The practice differed from slavery in the Americas: slaves were permitted to move freely in their communities and to own property, but they were also sometimes sacrificed in religious ceremonies or buried alive with their masters to serve them in the next life.

Read more My Great-Grandfather, the Nigerian Slave-Trader By Adaobi Tricia Nwaubani

Metuh:
So the solution to poverty is prayer


How old are you again? You are dull bros

They plan to go and pray to Atiku to feed them with our looted money, the kind of prayer that does not feed them under Buhari who's doctrine appears to be "if you don't work you must starve".

They are the bloody lazy Nigerians we were told about!

frosbel2:
Really really terrible. And what do the African leaders do ? Nothing. Why ? Because the people have been made docile and submissive. This wasn't always how the black man was.

If you go back through to our conversation, you would not that I referred to a mythical past that never existed. Now, let me educate you.

Before the white man arrived, we kept and sold slaves to one another. Then the Arabs arrived and slave markets arose in lots of Africa where we sold our own people to Arab traders. And when we sold to the white man in Nigeria and most of West Africa when they arrived, it is we Africans who brought our own people to the coast to sell since the white man could not penetrate into our interiors to get us because a small insect called mosquito and malaria it carried killed them. So, please, what do you mean by "that is not how the black man was"?

All our gods accepted human sacrifices so we fought wars and captured people to sacrifice to them. But just like you would find it really difficult to find references to human sacrifice in western Europe, so would you find it difficult, but much less so, to find records of human sacrifice in African history even though it was almost rampant. So again please, what do you mean by "that is not how the black man was"?

When our leaders today borrow money from foreigners, they take a huge cut and pocket it then we the people get taxed either directly or indirectly through devaluation of our currency, not given us electricity, roads and proper healthcare and paying us much less than we should be paid, and we still have to pay back the borrowed money which has been pocketed by our so called 'leaders'. That, frosbel2 is modern day slavery and sacrifice of our people, all to satisfy the leaders who have alway satisfied themselves at our expense! So how can you possibly say "that is not how the black man was", when the truth is, "that is exactly how the black man was"? Do you think they are not cunning and crafty enough to re-edit history and religionise you to think there was a mythical past that was much better than it really was? Please do not delude yourself!

The 'African leaders' have never had the interest of the people to heart. All they have ever thought about is their selfish selves, and they have always gotten away with exploiting us the people by ensuring we are ignorant about what they get up to, for as long as we remain ignorant they can amass wealth at our expense, which is exactly what they have done in Kenya. Quite a lot of the money borrowed from China and which the Kenyan people will spend the next eternity paying back is in the pockets of the Kenyan leaders. Same as the proceeds of our privatisation ended up in the pockets of our leaders.

That, incidentally, is why I fervently campaign against Atiku. Not so much because Buhari is more competent, but because he at least is not selling as many and as much of us as Mr Privatisation Athiefu intends to!

frosbel2:
So we need to wake up the masses to hold their government accountable and start to make big changes from a grass roots level. However if we persist with religious and tribal division, there will never be one unifying force of people , able to take on these thieves and especially the racist Chinese.

The ports in Kenya were not stolen by the Chinese. It is the Kenyan leaders that sold it to them and they pocketed a huge fee for doing so. When we persist in our ignorance, refusing to understand that it is our so called leaders who sell us to foreigners who can't buy us unless we are sold to them by our very own leaders, we are fighting shadows that our leaders hide behind, basically, by religionising us into ignorance whether it be in a church or a mosque or shrine or even the schools they design to do so to mask the fact that they themselves are the exploiters whom we ought to be fighting.

Leaders? We need to wake up and learn to lead ourselves, and we do that by unshackleing ourselves from the chains of ignorance which includes the belief in a glorious mythical past with which we are being enslaved!

Heard a lie on Breitbart! Has Trump gone down from 5b to 1.6b for his wall!?

“Acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney, who is also the budget director, said he was waiting to hear from Senate Democratic leader Chuck Schumer of New York about a counteroffer the White House presented Schumer over the weekend.”

How long before he settles for 0b?

bender79:
4+4 #next level

And sai my bubu 2019!

Soon time, some brain dead person will come here and say the judge who decided this is Buhari!

Directors of Union Bank should serve time for this illegal movement of money! Bloody enemies of Nigeria!

Sai my Bubu come 2019!

I don't particularly have a problem with my atheistic position. I don't after all assume that atheism has an answer to everything. I am comfortable accepting that I would not possibly know the answers to questions like how the universe began but that's no reason to fill in the gap with some ignorant belief if the truth is, "I don't know".

My atheism goes along with a scientific way of looking at things with the scientific method being a lens I see through. It gives me a critical mind towards things, which I am better off for having on the whole.

I just thank the gods that I am an atheist as I'd hate believing in the unseen made up in my own head with faith that it may be true.

Herlertah:
Thank you so much. I don't drink or smoke or bet. And about the Germany, I recently discovered that they have one of the cheapest schools in the world and I have been trying to apply buh things don't look so good for now. Not financial problem, buh my brother who is sponsoring me keeps telling to do my degree in Nigeria and then I can do my PGD in outside countries

That's good advise from your brother. A skill like you have would only develop further and might even become one that makes you able to create drugs that cure diseases that no one has yet found a cure for. Don't despair. Know that you have only just begun a journey of a thousand steps.

Here is another example of the exploitation you mention, frosbel2. It will continue to happen until we Africans wise up!

frosbel2:
Leaders who are mostly religious fanatics or in cahoots with imams and pastors. They work in tandem to keep the people in ignorance and exploit them, while they live ostentatious lives from mostly stolen loot or tithes and offerings.

I was going to say, no, not the leaders. And this is where your op against religion, or religious leaders who tell us what to think, comes in.

One of the threads I linked to asked if we should continue to accept the lies our parents accepted. My answer is an emphatic, no, we should, and would not. And not only would we not accept it, but we will educate our children not to accept those lies either, and even our parents too, which no doubt takes a lot on our part, but we must at least try. See here what I did to my parents.

A lot of the religious people here are so afraid of us that they treat this site like it is porn. They wouldn't dare let their kids see them here least those kids get influenced by our audacious attitude towards their gods and become freely minded like us. But their "resistance is futile", as the Borg would say. Just you observe as they abandon their religious programming and become like us! They one by one, lower their shields and surrender their wits, because "We will add their biological and technological distinctiveness to our own" and there's nothing they can do to stop us. Their minds will adapt to service our illustrious nation. And not as religious drones, as the Borg and our religious leaders et al turn them into. But into free minded people of power who have gorged on the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil and know that they themselves are the god, knowing the difference between that which is right and proper and that which is not.

It is we, the people, who need to decide who we are led by. And we are working towards building those people of power who will resist the stupidity the religious peddle which only benefits the so called leaders who's only aim is to cunningly exploit us.

I assure you, we are doing very well indeed already with thread after thread on here. The day cometh soon. Despair not!

frosbel2:
That was an example, the British approach is more subtle.

I know. And there are many more you could have given - America with Saudi Arabia, China with Hong Kong and Tibet, Spain with Mexico and so many more.

But they are all the more reasons for the exploited to wise up. The exploiters will not ever change their exploiting spots! Just as is said, when the hunter learns to shoot without missing, the birds need to start flying without perching.

Martinez19:
You are not a libtard. You have always argued your position critically and never resorted to name callings and hate like Mr. "I live in America." You don't just jump into embracing every leftist narrative. Just like me, you are willing to disagree with the actions of the left if you deem it wrong and you don't put emotions before reasoning. Even I, as a republican, didn't feel George Bush deserved a proper burial . On this account, you don't meet the requirements to be classified a libtard.

Abbeyba¡ley is the perfect embodiment of a libtard. He is unreasonable, anti-right no matter what and vicious to well meaning people with opposing views. Even you can bear witness to the fact that once he loses an argument, his vicious load of insults and abuses unfailingly follows and he is the type who puts emotions before reasoning. You my friend (budaatum) is, by no means, a libtard.

This so nice to hear. I'll work really hard to continue to live up to this, always. Thanks.