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vaxx:
Age has nothing to do with comprehension. It is too wrong to come with such excuses.

The basis of understanding needs to do with constant self development that maybe gotten thru books or ideas shared with intellectual. You may be aware of the book due to the age factor, but the understanding of the book does not tied up with age.

I never said age had anything to do with understanding a book vaxx. And awareness of a book has nothing to do with age either. It might have something to do with the experience through which information is considered though. And it might have a lot to do with the priorities one places one's arguments on, or, bigotrily, the basis another places on one's arguments. But age is not a sole factor in any. And my comment was more in praise than anything else.

urahara:
If that is so , why do modern egyptains look like berbers

Same reason some Mexicans look Spanish. Inter-racial breeding.

You would likely not claim northern Africans were never black, would you?

MhizAngel99:
@MutleyLaff And good riddance to u. Don't let ur overwhelming stupidity trip u on ur way out. I wish u a happy 2019 where hopefully you learn how not to argue off point.

Oh, I see! You got lectured, muttley. That should teach you!

I don't think MhizAngel99 claimed she wrote that piece, considering her "consider this" at the beginning, the bad formatting, and being new here not knowing how unaccredited copy and pastes don't go down well, muttley.

Does the new you think that's worth the tirade, or una don de fight before?

For anyone interested in Why Nations Fail, referenced above, you can download a free copy here and I'll pay for it.

Just let me know you downloaded it if you please. And share it with as many people as you wish remembering that ignorance is not bliss, but poverty, short lives and death!

MuttleyLaff:
Not unless you're in Orolu, or where's that kingdom of yours, it wasnt midnight yet where I was
A bit boring having hot bath at the moment, worshipping the bubbles and practising religion alone just by yourself, isnt it
Oh I see, it's inanticipation for the groove, wink wink. Extended fireworks tonight

This is the point that you do that thing that makes me throw egg shell before you muttley. But it's 2019 now, a new dawn, and I'll try not to do whatever it is you said I do to you. You wouldn't believe how I burn in hell for losing patience with you, and I don't want to start the year burning!

Happy New Year. And make sure we meet up before it ends! It would be good to kan e ni iko so you.........

Meanwhile, look up the thread by kingebukasblog, I think, where he claimed atheism is a religion, and so titled. He got a drubbing you might want some of, or at least you'd learn my view of such nonsense. I wouldn't want you to go by way he and his disciples went in 2018, I am begging you, please.

And happy 2019 to you too, since you've arrived an hour late!

MuttleyLaff:
Not yet 2019 when you posted your comment. Are you drunk?

PS Football is a religion, ice hockey is a religion, fashion for some is a religion and atheism too funnily enough too is a religion. The word religion, just like the word mouse, has over the passage of time changed from what it originally meant from what your dictionary says it is

Ok, muttley. If you say so. I'm in a hot bath at the moment, worshipping the bubbles and practising religion. Maybe I should pray to them too and relate with them and have faith, belief, divinity, worship, creed, teaching, doctrine, theology et al with them too, while I'm at it!

Look at the top of your Nairaland browser mr not drunk, and tell me its not an hour past midnight, please!

Contrary to claims by the opposition People’s Democratic Party (PDP) that President Muhammadu Buhari’s family has ownership of shares in the Etisalat Nigeria and Keystone Bank, a group of investors in Lagos state had declared that the sale of two companies followed due processes with the involvements of industries regulators. The investors affirmed that neither President Muhammadu Buhari nor his family members own shares in either Etisalat or Key Stone Bank.

While condemning the false flag raised by the PDP, the group of investors led Mr. Michael Akekehgon, insisted that the process of selecting preferred bidders for Etisalat was opened and transparent.

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Do note that this does not in itself prove my bubu has not acted corruptly as stated in the op. Just that I'm more inclined to believe a group of investors who have money at stake than some unsubstantiated report which is what op is.

MuttleyLaff:
What you are oblivious of, is, in your atheism, which in itself, is a religion but stranger too, is that you actually are practising pure and true religion that is faultless and one that God approves of whilst be an atheist..

How can you possibly describe buda as a religious person, muttley? Are you saying buda is so holy some god must be directing her, or are you working with a definition that differs to the following:

religion

noun
the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.
"ideas about the relationship between science and religion"
synonyms: faith, belief, divinity, worship, creed, teaching, doctrine, theology; More
a particular system of faith and worship.
plural noun: religions
"the world's great religions"
a pursuit or interest followed with great devotion.
"consumerism is the new religion"

MuttleyLaff:
It's amazing, isnt it. There is no escape from God, even in the belly of atheism, God is right there acknowleging you with a wink thrown in your direction, at you.

Or did you just not bring your brain into 2019?Because last time I checked, the MuttleyLaff I know was more intelligent than this!

otokx:
If true then it is unfortunate.

It is not only unfortunate! It is let me quickly articulate and obilate. Even if they are thieves, we better just change thieves, for nor.

So, until confirmed, sai my bubu 2019!

(If this my bubu shame me, my humble pie will be the biggest ever seen!)

Mynd44:
Looooool

8. Don't post false information on Nairaland.

Can you confirm it's false please. Your assertion is no better than their lies, if that's what they are. Until then,

Sai my bubu from Daura!

Happy 2019 you all in Nigeria.

johnydon22:
So, imperfection Aka Mr inevitable evil(natural evil or man-made evil) is necessary then?

All I did was demonstrate the necessity of evil by showing a world without evil is purposely dead.

Thank you

I've been following this and do not think a perfect world is a dead world, though a desireless one might be devoid of living things. Just imagine a world where the desire to breath in oxygen disappears. If the need for oxygen still exists, I do think there'd be quite a lot of ex-living things, but the world itself would just go on without you all, it wouldn't die! But that's probably thinking of human being evil.

Then again, is it true that if we all stop being evil in the religious section on Nairaland, for instance, Nairaland would die? I don't think so! True, we wouldn't be stabbing each other in thread after thread, but who's to say something a lot better, like making the whole of Nairaland devoid of evil, would not take the place of our continous stabbing? Same with the world, at least as far as human evil is concerned. Can't say about lions eating wilderbeast, though, if that is evil that is, or earthquakes and tsunamis, which aren't exactly evil unless one wishes to consider there's a higher being inflicting them on poor helpless earth.

And one more thing! It is not true that we may never recover from this so called blow. You, frosbel2, are evidence of the glorious future we are walking into!

The blow would be if you were ignorant, which I assure you, you are not.

frosbel2:
I suppose we may be saying the same thing about religion from two slightly different angles

frosbel2:
If we are ever going to move forward, we have to purge our land from these foreign religions and start again to build what we have destroyed.

The ancestors are crying.

And if you were paying attention, you might have seen where we agree and where we don't!

Anyway, I'm not going to waste anymore time on this. When you have the time, go over the thread and see what has been said so far. Just a few things.

There is nothing like a "then world". The world has always been "the world", even when people in one part of earth thought it was flat and the bit they were aware of, ignorantly, was the entire earth! Dishonesty was not brought to you by Europeans and neither was an inability to admit when wrong! Purge it please!

Second. There was no time when Africa could have been said to have been ruled by anyone, not Egypt, not Mansa Musa, and not the Europeans, who at one time split most of it, but not all of it, amongst them. There were still parts of it they never colonised, but even they adopted foreign ideology and the adoption of other people's ideas has moved us forward, on the whole

Third. No one is saying Africa did not contribute towards human progress, so stop insulting me without reason! Every society has contributed towards human development, and what we now have is an amalgamation of that contribution. And any purge of any bit of it is throwing away the baby with the bath water. Just remember, the so called foreigner who bought you your current religion also brought you other things like the ability to travel huge distances within a short time, the ability to hold conversations with people far away whom you don't know and may never see, and the ability to cure diseases you thought were inflicted on you by evil spirits, along with your desire to live amongst them, all of which I'm sure you'd not want to give up, or "purge and start again"!

Fourth. Ancestors crying my ass! To begin with ancestor worship is simply the art of holding on to the past, which in your case, I have continously described as mythical and false, with your glorious past which wasn't glorious at all! But greater than that is you not recognising that religion, including Christianity, Islam, or our own specific worship of our gods, is based on the worship of ideas promoted by the dead, even if some claim their god is a living god! Dead people don't cry, frosbel2!

And finally, stop letting your egotistical need to be right make you not accept when you are wrong. I'd ask someone to advise you on this, since it seems he finally learnt the error of his ways, but it is perhaps a lesson best learnt without anyone teaching it you. You will know when you've learnt it, for now, just take note

Once again thank you immensely for starting this wonderful educative thread, frosbel2. We are all improved by it.

We still got an hour to go where I am, but...

I wish you all a very fruitful 2019!

johnydon22:
What's special about that?

Special about freeing one's mind from religious deception? You try it and see for yourself, johnydon22. And if you come back and say there's nothing special, I, buda, swear to adopt whatever unatheistic views held before trying with no reservation whatsoever! That's how much regard I have for you!

And I mean I will post my fb page on here so you can check I've truly and completely adopted whatever it is that you believed before trying atheism. And I will start a thread proclaiming my abandon and adoption of your before trying belief, faith or religion, and will forever sell it on here.

Go on, dare me! Atheist from you for one single minute is enough.

Post, so we can rejoice your freedom from religious slavery with you.

And remember, it's never too late!

Hermes019:
The way they make fun of atheists u would think there is anything so special about believing in God,like once you accept God you would become smarter than Einstein or Leibniz, or probably become richer than Bill Gates or maybe stop taking drugs when you are sick,you that believe in God still lives an ordinary life like me an atheist so again I ask what is so special in believing in ur God ?,does it increase my life expectancy ?

To make it worse, they are only asking one to believe like they do even though they very well know they have no evidence to justify their belief. If I did that to my child in this day and age, should I not be thrown in jail for child abuse, or at least for lying to my child, if that could be made a crime?

I'm just glad that they are here. One day they will have children and those children will come on here to read their god nonsense, then they'll understand they can't make their own offspring stupid like they are!

kkins25:
I'm 23. Your sure it ain't 49 or something other than 20- 9. Ohh you mean your online age..
If this is true I need to bury my head in books some more if only I can defeat the sleep demon dat lurks around me when I pick up a book. Lolzzzzz

You live in the best time ever as far as books are concerned. When I was about your age, I was robbing my parents for money to buy books. And when I grew up a little, I shipped books to my people back home, but these days, quite a lot are available for free on the Internet. You should take advantage of this fact in case like me, you go blind when you get older and can't read as much anymore.

Remember, you cannot teach unless you yourself have learnt.

vaxx:
by the grace of God i am celebrating my 29th birthday tomorrow. Hope you will wish me well

29! Unbelievable! Young enough for me to have put my tit in your mouth and weaned you, and does explain why you reason like you do, no insult intended. You have a lot of information but have not had sufficient time to understand it's implication, and is what I hope to show on your thread but which you seem to be avoiding. Hope I did not stymie you by showing I am aware of what you mentioned.

Psychologically, I am a Jungian, and if you know anything about him, you'd know he was like one of the fathers of Cultural Psychology, though even he would admit to standing on the shoulders of the giants who went before him.

Do know that talking with you interests me immensely due to the wide knowledge you appear to have accumulated, but as Bloom, whom you made me aware of, showed, knowledge is just the beginning of thinking critically, which is what I've challenged you on thread after thread after thread on here.

This needs dragging up again for the newbies on here!

Hermes019:
I don't mean to insult anyone but for those shouting that God exist,fine congratulations since u have seen the 'light' while the rest of us are still in darkness,but if u claim u have knowledge and probably access to something or someone supposedly as powerful as God is painted to be and yet you have nothing to show for it,your life is as ordinary as every other person,you dont even have knowledge beyond the average human then its either ur claim is untrue or u are drowning in water

Which is it ?

After all, no one lights a light and hides it. I wonder why they hide their light of God!

ElidaxZiel:
words can't explain, the only thing I can do is open your spiritual eyes, so you will experience it too.. Believe me, after you experience it, you will open thread daily just to tell people about God

Come on then, open our spiritual eyes!

Ranchhoddas:
Lol
One is enough for you because you already have an idea of what God, miracles etc should. Once it does not conform to your preconceptions you dismiss in the usual atheist fashion.

My dear man, one is not enough for me! I've been at it since I was 7 and people like you were claiming Oyinbo rats talk. Surely you don't think I have not grown since then!

You dismiss me in a "usual atheist fashion", yet I bet you'd claim you are not an atheist! For your information, any atheist, or anyone for that matter, who refuses to see the evidence for want of sticking to preconceptions, is blind. The cure is mud that is spat on and rubbed in the eye!

Ranchhoddas:
SirJoh.n is the author. I know it. It changes nothing. My comments still. One fake does not take out the rest. The rest are my concern. It should not happen at all.

Well, unlike you, one is enough to make me wonder and research deeper. And my research suggests the position I hold is truer than the one you appear to just chose to believe.

Ranchhoddas:
No I don't. But I have no reason to believe they are lying. And I am not gullible or anything.
Tell me, what would be their motive? The motives of not just one, two, or three people. Many people with different cases of healing.
Oyakhilome's healing school has being going on for years. Do you really want to tell me that no single sick person has being healed for years and it still going on? No one?

Of course they may be cases of fake miracles, what it means is that not everyone gets healed for some reason or the other. My argument is that some people get miracle cures from religious places. Clear cut medicine-defying miracles that will be visible to any honest and impartial observer.
I am not sure why they happen. But they happen.

To the unbeliever, no proof is enough

There is a thread on here about the fraudulent healing done in Oyakhilome's church. If I find it.

MuttleyLaff:
Nah, I think its a typo, fat finger or something
but then yeah, if it wasnt, I concur with you without demur so you're absolutely right then, quite impressive

It must be a typo! Even for 80s born, I'd be impressed!

vaxx:
impressive. Then you have an idea of my argument. I am 90s born. So permit me for bringing you back a bit.

But is the book debunked like the collapsed book.? I will like you to elucidate on it.

90s born vaxx? That sure explains quite a lot about you! I'm going to need you to forgive me, though for 90s born, you are impressive! In fact, I don't believe you are 90s born, that's how impressed I am!

Debunked is my way of putting it. Evolved, would be a better way to put it.

Ranchhoddas:
TBJ is a fraud.
This changes nothing. Like you, I am wary of people who claim to be men of God. But what I am saying is the number of cases of healings that we witness gives me reason to believe there is something to them. It is logistically impossible for all of them to be staged. It is also unreasonable to say that this people have what you like to call false healing.
Instead of dismissing, you should take your time to visit this places and follow up their cases if you have the time and resources.
This makes more sense to me than staying at home and dismissing this cases without even giving a thought.
I am certain that many sick people get healed at churches. The mechanism of their healing is what I am unsure of.
There is no way I will believe that the multitude that go to these places are idiots. Something is taking them there.

Reinhard Bonnke too is a fraud! BBC asked him to provide details of ten people he had healed but he refused so they got recordings of his shows in Earl's Court London, and tracked down people he claimed to have healed and found out none of them had been healed. Those in wheelchairs who had stood up at the time of healing had gone on to develop multiple fractions making their conditions worse, and a man who had claimed to have been healed of blindness said, "I thought I could see at the time, but I sure can't now"!

I have got the time to check, and I'm afraid people are very gullible indeed!

Below is Anthony Thomas's documentary. Miracles investigating him and Hinnes!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJfaaPdP0kI

vaxx:
i will recommend this book for you. Guns , germs and steel by jered diamond. Pls get a copy.

You are telling me to go back to my reading of like the late 90s, vaxx, a book in which Diamond showed Africans spread across the earth at a stage of very limited technological advancement! Jared Diamond himself did not stop at that stage and went on to build on that fantastic work in 2005 with [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collapse%3A_How_Societies_Choose_to_Fail_or_Succeed?wprov=sfla1]Collapse: How Societies Choose to Fail or Succeed[/url].

Perhaps you should consider Daron Acemoglu and James Robinsons 2013 book, Why Nations Fail: The Origins of Power, Prosperity and Poverty. I'll also add [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sapiens%3A_A_Brief_History_of_Humankind?wprov=sfla1]Sapiens: A Brief History of Humankind[/url] by Yuval Noah Harari for some history.

Both of them continue Diamond's work from Collapse, and not so much from Guns Germs and Steel which his Collapse somewhat debunked!