₦airaland Forum

BigIyanga:
In a sane clime, carrying money is not a crime and it’s not the police that determine that money is illegal, it’s left for the court. Folks like u dont know how things work outside Naija. Also in a sane clime, EFCC would be facing govt inquirie and multiple lawsuits.

Really, which, outside Naija? Carry 10k euros or dollars anywhere in Europe or America and see if you would not lose your money even if you were just driving it down the street!

Talking as if we are all fools here! Even if Union Bank are legit with this, they must pay 20% wahala money to efcc!

ladman:
This person won't get enough likes. He will easily be suspected as a Buharideen but you make a good point. Union Bank do not need to be aggressive about this, as a corporate organization, simply show your proof that there is no dirty business and respectfully shut down EFCC's initial gra-gra. But to think EFCC is over reacting over publicizing suspicion, is an over reaction borne out of being angry with any government operation.

I liked this person. And I'm liking you too to show I really like this person!

iamadedotun:
I see the reason why most of our so called Bsc Holders and so called graduates are finding it difficult to secure a job. The way we think is so horrible why in the world would someone say this is a political score? When has it become a norms for bank to carry money around in suitcases? Where did the bullion vans go to? Its pathetic

Abi o. Would I hire those fools to work for me?

Absolutely not!

Please, all you who support EFCC on this I will try to go through and like and share your posts so people don't look at me funny at work thinking all Nigerians are like those pre-big bang fools and I am anti-EFCC like them!

WaffenSS:
What's hasty, reporting that a huge stash of foreign currency was nabbed from 2 people who clearly do not own the money and whose story doesn't really jive?

I like to live in a society where suspicious acts are made news.

You people are just backward and belong to the stone age

Please do not insult the stone age! I went through many post before I got to your own, the first post from a person with a brain that works, so stone age is way too close to today for the brains of the idiots who do not understand that it is illegal to transport such a huge amount of money internationally when the limit is set at $10k.

I would say air age, or carbon age even, but I think I'd have to go to pre-big bang age to find an age that would not be insulted too much!

Please be warned! And thank you for existing.

TATIME:
I guess i got that question! Why must someone study the Bible with you? !

I did not ask this question! And in fact believe it is good to study the Bible with others, or is that not what you and I have been doing?

What I am against is some people thinking they have some special ability or a divine right to understand the Bible that others cannot possibly have, or think their understanding is the only correct understanding. It is why I detest being told I do not understand, or was not calm or don't have some special spirit that they claim they have.

If God wants to pass me a message God must know He would have to come down from heaven and give it to me personally, otherwise He would not have created me as the unbelieving atheist that I am.

You may come and study Luke with me if you wish. In studying together, iron sharpens iron and each enriches the other.

Martinez19:
If people pick up their bible and study it honestly and thoroughly, they will start being on the same page.

I do not think it is possible for everyone to pick up a book as big and as complicated as the Bible and be on the same page even after studying it "honestly and thoroughly" (why didn't you just say, according to the Holy Spirit, by the way?). It's just too complex a book for the various studiers all from different backgrounds and levels of understanding to get the same understanding of such a huge book. Even the Sanhedrins and Pharisees were not on the same page nor were Paul and James with one by faith and the other pointing to his works. The only way to get people on the same page is to remove their ability to think and reason for themselves and even God couldn't achieve that, as shown by Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden.

Martinez19:
Well, we atheists, who have read the bible, agree on what the bible says.

No we don't! I am an atheist but I doubt many other atheists share my view of the Good Book!

Martinez19:
Religion is different from politics. The fact that we agree on religion does not mean that we would agree on other aspects. Johnydon22 has argued that morality is subjective while I argued otherwise. We are atheists for a reason and atheism is expertise in other areas of life.

That does not mean we agree on the Bible. In fact, the only one thing we atheists do agree on is that there is no God, period. When we start dissecting the Bible or anything else we will find we disagree wildly and are all over the place.

iceboy4752:
To the atheists in the house, are there "marriage rites" in atheism? Do you pay any bride price before marriage? Do you limit the number of wives you marry or you marry as you like?

Atheist don't have "rites". We can make vows for each other and invite family and friends to witness it but rites, no.

If we marry people who have a tradition of bride prices, we pay. If not, we don't. There's no rule or law about it same as there isn't one for religious people. Not all religious people pay bride prices.

The laws in some countries do not allow for the marrying of more than one person, and to be honest, most can't afford to with the cost of housing and child care and considering both wives might want two or more kids, which in todays day and age is a lot. But just like religious people some do 'marry' as they like, though in countries where it's a crime they'll go to jail, and in countries where it's not, I guess it's not.

My uncle was an Anglican with three wives, as was my grandfather, and only recently, less than 20 years, did the former Nigerian Anglican Bishop Akinola declare the marrying of more than one wife unAnglican. He had to blindeye though since he could not tell people to de-marry their excess wives.

I guess it falls down to love and the ability to respect others. Not many people, religious or not, have more than one wife or marry as they like, as you put it. And just like religious people, atheists can love their one wife and stick with her till death does them apart, while some don't love enough and don't mind other wives or bits on the side. No one is immune to Aids, note.

raumdeuter:
Some people promised to meet in Lagos today

Is today? They must post report or I shall be a very rude and angry buda!

Thanks for reminding us, raumdeuter.

Martinez19:
Lol. The disagreement within the christian community is due to the inability of christians to pick up their bible and read it thoroughly.

So, knowing the above, assuming that is the reason, (for I can't see how that explains the difference between the understanding of two Bishops who do pick up their Bible and read it thoroughly), why can one of them not say they do not believe in juju and witchcraft and devils?

Martinez19:
Why do you think Nairaland atheists who have never met each other all agree similarly on what they think the bible says?

On what the Bible says, perhaps, though I doubt it, and think we atheists are just doing the enemy of my enemy is my friend. For as soon as two atheists step out of the religious section and into the Foreign Politics Section for instance, they pretty soon start calling each other names they reserve for the religious people in the religious section, I found.

TATIME:
That's why i said " you've read the Bible but you've not STUDIED it"
You'll need someone beside you to reason together and question one another while reading, that's when you can understand what you're reading, otherwise you'll continue to make wrong conclusions. READ Proverbs 2:1-5
For instance what God told Adam is "the very day you eat of that fruit, you will positively die" why not ask at least SARCASTICALLY why they(Adam and Eve) lived for almost a thousand years?
Well "a day" to humans is twenty four hours but before the one who said they'll die THE DAY they eat of the tree of good and bad, HIS own ONE day is equivalent of one thousand years before humans. That's why Adam and all his offsprings never lived up to ONE single day in God's eyes! Genesis 5:5 compared to 2Peter 3:8
If a person eats something poisonous that's to kill him within one day,he eats it by 1am and later died by 11pm,will you say the poison didn't do as heard?
Please calm down while asking your questions if truly you're not just an agitator against wisdom!
Take it one by one, please try to show me the stupidity in what the Bible says but don't rush things like barbarians, calm down while asking THOUGHT PROVOKING questions, i'll really appreciate it!

When the "Lord said to Moses, “Come up to the Lord, you and Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel. You are to worship at a distance, but Moses alone is to approach the Lord; the others must not come near. And the people may not come up with him”.

buda, said, "What the fuq, Lord! Has Moses got two heads?! Is it not you who created buda also? I'm coming up too. And I'm coming near you!"

And so we all went all the way up the mountain, and the Lord gave buda the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father sent to teach all things and bring all things to remembrance.

So why would I need someone to brainwash my head, Tatime? Did that person go up the mountain behind the back of Moses, and Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel and buda to receive a different Holy Ghost?

I am calm. I do not rush things. I did not say there was stupidity in what the Bible says. And we are already reasoning and questioning one another. But if you truly think I am "just an agitator against wisdom", we can stop now.

MuttleyLaff:
You are contradictory.
You are almost like two people if not more, saying one thing but then saying another and/or doing something very different.
It is not neccesary to argue or discuss God and God's affair or business.

This is about the first thing sensible thing you've said in two days! Yes muttley, more than two people self. There are demons in buda, more like legions. There is only one single doing buda though.

MuttleyLaff:
You dont believe in God, so why cant you leave God alone then?

I do advise that you drop this though. It does not show knowledge of God, in my most humble opinion.

Originakalokalo:
The devil has fed many of you lies about God and you swallowed it hook line and sinker.

It is for this very reason that humans must not study words alone, which is bread, but also everything that proceedeth forth from God, which is all of God's creation.

Originakalokalo:
Study and live the word of God.

Amen!

Martinez19:
If the bible says that the moon is made of cheese, a self proclaimed christian should believe that.

No! Time like 10 times! Bloody hell man! If what you say above were true, why would Christians be arguing about their beliefs with one another and why would there be so many Christian sects?

Or have you found that all Christians believe the same things?

[url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+7%3A36-50&version=NIV]Luke 7:36-50[/url]

"I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance!"

Two people argued about God. One was MuttleyLaff, the other was budaatum.

Which needs God more?

You are completely without shame!

MuttleyLaff:
You hate hearing anything upholding the existence of God, you cant stop ridiculing God anything to do with God

You lie, muttley! Or point to one single post where buda ridicules or shows hatred on hearing about God!

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Martinez19:
He said he does not believe they have any potency and they are none existent and I said he should believe in the existence and potency of both as a christian since the bible says that they exist.

But isn't that like saying buda, an atheist, should not say Aleluya Jesus Christ Amen?

Muttley tried something similar here. My response was very very restrained by the Holy Spirit, thank God. He even tried to impose buda on my Lord!

I doubt anyone gets to impose beliefs, thoughts, stupidity or anything on anyone else. If I want to believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster and His Noodly Appendage, and at the same time Jesus is Lord, it is I who will receive a half-ass for half-ass reasoning.

MuttleyLaff:
but you budaatum an atheist will today, tomorrow and unto the end of time of this side of eternity cant similar with God

If you mean I cannot stop talking about God, then haleluya Jesus Christ, Amen, you are 100% correct. Why would I stop talking about God? Is it your own God alone? Who gave you monopoly on God?

Truly I tell you, MuttleyLaff, receive this cup of water so that you too will certainly not lose your reward.

TATIME:
You've read the Bible but you've not STUDY it carefully or let me say thoroughly.
What i'm telling you is unlike what churchgoers will say "you can't understand God's word without the power of the Holy Spirit" that's a lie,what you need is not the Holy Spirit to understand the Bible, what you need is mildness and righteous heart!

There! For me, whether you are Catholic, or Protestant, or Muslim, or Atheist, or pagan self, an Almighty God would not give a damn. If God did give a damn, only the Israelites would enter his tabernacle, or tent, as some call it. And as far as I would be concerned, "keep your tabernacle God, I'd rather be an atheist. I don't want to enter your racist tent!" For, in my opinion, such a God is very unmighty indeed, and a puny petty racist bigot stupid non-god to boot! If I worship such a God, I must burn in hell! For there is no way I wouldn't think I'm exalted and justified that I am not like the tax-collector, when in truth, I would be a humbled gnashing teeth sinner!

But look at God, or rather, Mr "I did not come to change the law" Jesus Christ. Like somebody who can't find suitable tenants, he lets those tax collectors and pagans and prostitutes and Samaritans and even those damned Gentiles into the KoG, as long as they Psalm 15!

It is written that the wages of sin is death. We atheists will argue that it's not true. And if death were to mean dying literally, we are correct. “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.” Not just die o, but certainly die! Then they eat, and God reduces their punishment to "severe pains in childbearing and labour" and, "no more free food for you"! And, "you will become dust after 730 years".

A whole 730 years, Tatime! Is that not like everlasting eternity already? What the fuq happened to "when you eat from it you will certainly die”? Was Satan lying when it said, “You will not certainly die”? Did their eyes not open so that they realised they were naked, and did they not learn about "good and evil"? Is it bad to learn about good and evil? Will you, Tatime, not feed your own child the fruits of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil? Is the entire ministry of Jesus Christ not about this so called fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil? In fact, does Jesus Christ not embody and mean just that? If I don't learn about good and evil please tell me how I am supposed to know the difference between the two? How do I get to do this "mildness and righteous", "forgive seventy times seven times", turn the other cheek, and Psalm 15. Can ignorant people do any of those things? I doubt anyones child will get far in life if they don't eat of the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil in this current day world!

When it is said that "whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life", it is true in a Holy Spirit sense, as you Bible people say. But unfortunately many think believing Jesus is their lord and saviour is all it takes without understanding they are being given stones by serpents! They think God will plant a tree that is not good for consumption. I just wonder what sort of God some people bow down and worship! Those who are justified by their faith and beliefs should go on doing so if it please them and their God. I stand unshaken by the fruit of my works. For my John 3:16 reads, "Those who live wisely and lovingly will live peacefully". And believe me when I say that is enough everlasting life for me. Anything after that, na jara. It is not for nothing that strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

May the Peace of the Lord arrest everyone's hearts and eradicate ignorance from amongst us this Sunday before Christ comes.

Originakalokalo:
Your case is different.

You dey under miscellaneous.

My case is different, lol! I always knew God must make special dispensation for buda or I will just block heaven's gate and dabaru everything so nobody can enter ni!

anambraamaka:
Been seen with IBB that looted our economy blind

You saved me ink!

frank317:
I belong to the three categories.... Prove ur God exists for once and stop calling hell upandan like say na u create am.

No one care about ur stupid hell, just so u know.

I unfortunately belong to none of them and it's not fair!

I want a category, KALOKALO!

TATIME:
You're free to say whatever comes to your mind my friends, remember i'm a Christian so i'm used to insults, abuses even persecution!

I did not insult you Tatime. When I insult people deservedly or not, I tend to end up in the hottest part of hell where I get seriously burned so it's in my interest not to. I specifically asked you not to take what I said as an insult because I understand how it can be perceived a one. But if you did take it as an insult, I pray you find it in you to forgive me.

TATIME:
We're not talking about subjects we study in schools where the textbooks must be REVISED and CHANGED from time to time, we're discussing on how to cohabit or live together in peace and security!

Yes, we are "discussing on how to cohabit or live together in peace and security", but we will do so much better if we used our brains.

Textbooks, all learning in fact, "must be REVISED and CHANGED from time to time". We learn this from the Bible too in fact. In the beginning, God was a wrathful God who got jealous, angered quick, cast people out of heaven, drowned them in water, burnt them in fire turned them to salt and so on. But look at the revised and changed God of so much love he gave us his only begotten son in the end! That is change. And if God can change, so must we.

TATIME:
God said "I created everything so for YOU to survive, you'll need my guidance" Isaiah 1:18,48:17,18

Everything, Tatime. The earth, the moon, the sun, all the planets, the Jehova Witness, the Catholic, the pagan, the Buddhist, the atheist, you me, God created them all and we survive!

Unless you're saying God did not create everything?!

TATIME:
For instance, you must comply totally with all the rules of any country if you want to become a citizen, likewise God is giving all the inhabitants of the earth a manual to study in order to be happy inhabitants on earth! Psalms 1:1-3

The Bible can be a "manual to study in order to be happy inhabitants on earth" for children and those of simple minds, but it is not true that it is a book of rules to comply with totally.

To start with, the Pharisees were "compliers", yet Christ said they gave stones and serpents instead of life giving bread. And then there's lots of non-compliers who found favour in the Lord, so to speak as the following shows:

The "Look Lord, that guy over their is not one of us yet he heals in thy name. Tell him to stop! Was a non-complier but Jesus didn't seem to agree.

The Samaritans are non-compliers, yet, Jesus suggested he might enter the KoG before some who complied with their "lord lord".

The term "gnashing of teeth", specifically refers to those who thought they complied, but actually didn't!

The "thank you lord that I am not like that tax-collector over there" is another person who thought he complied, but didn't.

God has not given humans a manual to study in order to be happy inhabitants on earth since the times of Moses with the ten commandments, one could say. After that, we have our knowledge, our experience and our learning too, or we remain slaves in Egypt!

TATIME:
What all ATHEISTS are using as excuse for their choice or decision is the countless atrocities committed in the past by those claiming to be worshippers of God, but you're discarding what i'm trying to help you understand which is MISINFORMATION and MISREPRESENTATION!

Knowledge outside the Bible is not "MISINFORMATION and MISREPRESENTATION", Tatime. In fact, if we did not have that knowledge there would be fewer people on earth today and you and I would not be having this conversation since we are many miles apart. And no, I am not an atheist because of "countless atrocities committed in the past by those claiming to be worshippers of God".

Human beings are just generally atrocious regardless of their beliefs, as you'd find if you read some history, and God people are no less or more atrocious than non-God people, so it would be silly, or ignorant perhaps, to say one is an atheist because of God worshipper atrocities. If you wish to know why I am an atheist, just ask instead of making things up!

Please, do not worry about helping me understand. It's after all not the case that Tatime would go to hell for the sins of buda! Remove the forest in your own eye before measuring the twig in mine!

MuttleyLaff:
PS budaatum please do us a favour and rein in LordReed.

What? Tell him not to respond to you? Did Lord tell you I'm his mother or I pay for his data?! If anything, I should be paying him to throw your insulting ass in hell considering how little you've reigned your own self in lately with your incessant insults of buda.

He's dishing out the wages of your sins as far as I'm concerned, unless you are the one who thinks sins should go unpunished!

Do yourself the favour and reign him in yourself. I'm very certain that if you admit your errors he will be reigned.

And while you're at it, you might want to apologise to buda for being rude to you!

Listen to yourself! How can buda, an atheist, think a god can forgive, or judge, or be a hypocrite?

You seriously need to switch on muttley!

MuttleyLaff:
Phew, thank you.
Better late than never. We got there at the end.
I thought so that this is what and how your reasoning will be.

Do you really think God is not leading by example?
Do you really think you are not be "forgiven" a lot more?
Are you unwittingly mixing forgiveness up with judgement?
Do you know how many that drove a car from the pub under influence last night and got home without a scratch?
Do you know how many tripped on the kerb this morning without getting hurt?
Do you know how many crossed the road this last hour with checking first if safely to cross?
Are you really calling God a hypocrite?

Ihedinobi3:
I think that you most certainly understand that you were saying that even if we assume that God exists, His Love - which Christians claim - should not allow Him to punish sinners for sinners.

Please note that I do not hold the position described here, that God's love "should not allow Him to punish sinners for sinning", nor do I think I said anything of the sort!

MuttleyLaff:
Just explain, explain why you think God should forgive a million times a million times more

If God asks mere mortals - whom it is supposed to have created - to forgive, God, the supposed creator, should be an example and forgive a lot more.

gesundheit:
Nope!!! For a Nigerian to be calling her ignorant in the face of the brainless leadership holding the nation down is just laughable.

Yep, I understand that. To achieve what she has is very unignorant indeed, and smart people, especially we Nigerians who would love to take power from the old guard (as opposed to the less smart who expect the old guard to just hand power over to the new), would learn how to go about it from her regardless of her policies and ideas.

Thanks.

Juju and witchcraft, as in their practice, does exist, but that's not to say they work, which is another sense in which we say it doesn't exist, and what I think paxonel might have meant.

gesundheit:
Lols coming from a Nigerian plauged with a lifetime of bad leaders.

Yeah! What has coming from Nigeria got to do with it?!

I hope you're not suggesting we are all ignorant because our politicians are bad!?

Anduku:
Her ignorance!!! She's one of the dumbest I've seen yet

What ignorance? Are you sure you're not just calling her views ignorant because they are not the same as yours?