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TATIME:
Well,perhaps you understood Jesus much more than His friends who happens to be His contemporaries! 1Corinthians 2:16, 1Peter 2:22
Or Paul was wrong for saying God subjected EVERYTHING under (Jesus') feet. 1Corinthians 15:27
For your information my atheist friend, the word Christian means Christlike or little~Christ it connotes living ones life in total conformity or harmony with the laid down principles of Christ!

Christ's was subjected to his father in heaven, Tatime, and not to the Bible or "title crazy religious leaders" or Paul for that matter, and as I mentioned in a previous conversation, I am one who would go up the mountain with Moses et all to the presence of said God, and not some sheepie who needs to listen to some "title crazy religious leaders" or you, in fact, who feels unworthy to be in the presence of God and needs to submit to "crazy religious leaders"!

Are you suggesting that the Bible or "title crazy religious leaders" or Paul are a replacement for a jealous God whom no image must be made and worshipped? Or is it that your God Almighty did not create buda to be an atheist who does not believe in your God? Or perhaps it is that buda does not live in total conformity or harmony with the laid down principles of Christ according to you? If not that last one, then how you assume to have ascended into heaven and sit at the right hand of the Father judging the living and the dead until your enemies are under your feet beats me. Though it would explain why your desire is that I, buda, submit to you!

Unlike you, my words are chosen to communicate, and my demons unlike yours it would seem, do not delight nor have the freedom to be many when brevity would best put my point across. You might want to learn to starve yours more so they don't delight in distorting what you may intend to mean or your ability to comprehend for that matter! Telling me to read slowly or out loud is an insult beneath contempt that I would rather not respond to.

As I said, my demons are mine by choice, so any fear,
pain and/or harm and ugly consequences associated (though be assured there aren't any), would be a choice. How could anyone chose something ugly, consequence or demon, that is painful or feared or that they'd rather not have and can chose to dispel? Mine are mine because I delight in having them along with any consequences associated in their being mine, "that's the beauty of choice" which you would have understood if you had not completely discarded what I have been telling you about my demons all along. Only a fool would feed their fears and/or pain or ugly consequences, and I have not yet seen anywhere where you have called me a fool. All buda's demons "audibly participate and engage in dialogue exchanges" with buda. They are fed because it is my desire that they thrive. If I didn't wish them to exist and thrive, I would not starve them, I'd just engage them in dialogue and audibly tell them to go, muttley, and go they would wherever I send them and not where they demand to go. Do correct me if I have missed where you have called buda a fool please.

My "even more so than this does buda do!" is in reference to text I know you are perfectly familiar with, so take it in that context please. To your, "yet to hear, see or read about demon on their own, running violently down steep places into the sea and perish", please desist from lying, muttley. You've clearly heard of it now, or would you wish to again completely discard that you did read me say so about my very freely owned demons that are very relative to me and subject to my commands? My choices do reflect my hopes, muttley, along with my demons and consequences and all.

Out of curiosity, and I've been meaning to ask, why are there carriage returns in your sentences? Do your demons insert them for you or are they there out of choice? I've referenced a few with {cr} just so you know what I refer to. Perhaps you should starve them more, or tell them to go, if you can, as their not being there would increase your ability to "engage in dialogue exchanges".

I do not undervalue your response, muttley. Those who's responses I undervalue do not receive in return the time and care I take to respond to you. Perhaps you would better be served by showing equal regard by not "completely discarding" whatever I say. I do not seek that you agree. That you comprehend would suffice. buda's demons are not muttleys demons as we all have demons that are relative to us. Please stop assuming your relationship to your demons are buda's relation to buda's.

MuttleyLaff:
You could and would be right to think your demons may be very different to mine
As a matter of truth, if at all I have any, they aren't fed, they're starved

I never said your choices reflect your fears
please re-read slowly out loud, to see that, what I said was {cr}
from the word go, from the very beginning, was choice {cr}
however a moment of choice is a moment of truth, that, there's the ugly of consequence

Free to choose but not free from the consequence of choice

Our lives, is the sum total of all our choices, up to this present minute.
May your choices reflect your hopes
and not your fears, my dear friend and brother

When you talked of the beauty of choice
and I brought in the ugly of consequence

Now when you're now asking: "Fear of what exactly?"
Well, the ugly, in the "ugly of consequence", we know can be painful and/or harmful, thats the fears

Yeah, choice is a beautiful thing, is what I wrote
and isnt that corroborating your "That's the beauty of choice" remark
So how does that mean or equate to completely discarding whatever you say?

You read to respond to undervalue my response
and not appreciate I never disagreed to anything in what I responded to
You'll find, if checked, there was no picking holes of your post in my response

Yeah demons are relative indeed

Demons being relative is not exclusive to you alone budaatum,
because demons are relative to whomever or whatever the host is

Demons are complex incorporeal phenonema
and so there's more to demons than meets the eye

Case in point, not all demons can audibly participate or engage in dialogue exchanges {cr}
in order to respond to a command like "Go"
Demons that can audibly engage in dialogue exchanges, when disembodied with a command like "Go" {cr}
usually will request unhindered passage to go into herd of swine
Pigs being foul, dirty and/or unclean animals made and makes them convenient choices

I am yet to hear, see or read about demon on their own, running violently down steep places into the sea and perish
Have you budaatum?

I am intrigued,
please do tell, share the "even more so than this does buda do!" moments

TheShopKeeper:
...about time he visit US Troops in foreign lands..after almost 2 years into his presidency...at least this will keep him off twitter for few hours...

Twitter don't work in Iraq?

LordReed:
Why would you respond to me talking about what someone else said like if I said it? That's not how sane people communicate OK.

I wonder o. He thinks we atheist submit to the same "title crazy religious leaders" as the religious people seem to do, perhaps!

TATIME:
Hmmmmmmmmm So when there are two contradicting opinions,what will show that there is mutual understanding when there is NO submission?
My friend, TRUTH is not two conflicting ideas but ONE.
So in the event that there are two CONFLICTING opinions, the only way to prove one is TRUE is when one person SUBMIT to the other!

Simple logic should make you see the error in this sort of thinking Tatime, for I am certainly sure that in your opinion, you submitting to me does not, in yours or anyone else's opinion, make my view the truth and your's, false! If truth was as simple as you imply, there would be no need to reason! We would all just submit to the opinion of some "title crazy religious leaders" and accept that what we submit to is the truth. That may satisfy you religious people, but God forbid that we atheists refuse to use our God given minds and submit as you appear to do!

And neither does mutual understanding imply submission. Or are you suggesting that one cannot understand you and remain independent of you!?

TATIME:
Christianity is about positive accomplishments and that's what true Christians are doing right now,though it's a pity that those MISINFORMED and MISREPRESENTION called Pastors have deluded you with false doctrines and disappointed you a lot but that doesn't mean there is NOTHING like true Christianity!

We atheists also desire positive accomplishments, Tatime. We just do not agree that your stick your head in one book and condemn everyone else's way and require that we all submit to you is the best way to achieve it!

GoodMuyis:
Zeus, Budha, Krishna, Spiderman, FSP, Atum among others, none of them have the effrontery to call themselves Yahweh, none ever said they come from him either. on Yeshua (Jesus) declare He is the son of God and who came from Yahweh.

So you see the uniqueness of What I believed?

You do not seem to know that Zeus and Atum were gods in their own right, Goodmuyis, or you would not ask that they claim to have come from some other god.

buda is not one who it can be said, "NO to be frank with you", has not studied the Bible, as you should have gathered from our detailed conversations, Tatime!

The attribute of truth is not submission, but understanding. One may as well accuse Jesus for not submitting to the "truth" of the Pharisees who just did happen to also claim to have studied scripture in their own time too, when what they were doing was insert their own myopic understanding for the truth of the Word of God just as you seem to be doing.

TATIME:
Though they're HIGHLY skillful at waving the TRUTH since one of the attributes of TRUTH is submission and they're not ready to submit to anyone as long as such submission will hinder their selfish interest!
Jesus is the wisest of all who ever lived on this planet, whoever passed through His school of thought can handle any philosopher from any faculty! Act 26:28
One of there professors saw two JWs at his doorstep knocking,one about 50 almost his age and the other a young girl of about 20, he came to send them away but noticing the beautiful young girl he said.
Pro~you're still very young my child and you have a bright future ahead of you,why following this old man(pointing to the other JW)? Look,the Bible can be very interesting but it doesn't worth wasting your youth on it's content because it was written by humans like you and me.
Young sis~ Thanks Sir for the timely advice, but Sir i perceived you're well educated.
Pro~ I'm a professor.
Young sis~ Oh! We have professors in our varsity Sir, but there is something that baffles me.
LPro~ what is it my daughter?
Young sis~ Have you studied the Bible before?
Pro~NO to be frank with you.
Young sis~ As a professor Sir, how can you speak so strongly about a book you never studied?
Professor was overwhelmed,the little girl has a point! Professor decided to study the Bible from page to page and guess what? Today, he is now preaching and teaching about God's kingdom message found in the Bible to all his neighbors as one of Jehovah's Witnesses!
So if they're rejecting God's word, it's not because they've got any tenable excuse(Romans 1:20) but they just want to be free doing whatever comes to their heart without restraint! Ephesians 5:6

MuttleyLaff:
Wow, didnt sign one

Yeah, choice is a beautiful thing

From the word go, from the very beginning, was choice
however a moment of choice is a moment of truth, that, there's the ugly of consequence

Free to choose but not free from the consequence of choice

Our lives is the sum total of all our choices up to this present minute.
May your choices reflect your hopes and not your fears my dear friend and brother

Demons are relative
and each demon exists, going its way, according to its nature

That's an oversimplified definition of demons
This is part of what I've learnt or found out looking under the bonnet

You forced my hand to publish the post sitting on my laptop

Please muttley, but I think your demons may be very different to mine, or why would you claim my choices reflect my fears? Fear of what exactly? Why would I be unhappy with my freely chosen demons which I can discard at will if I weren't happy with them?

Would I be wrong if I accuse you of completely discarding whatever I say and giving it the meaning you wish it to have despite my extensive explanation of my position? If such an accusation is true, would you blame me for ignoring you? You did at one point claim not to wish to assume, so why do so now?

Demons are indeed relative, and mine are relative to me. I choose to have the ones that I have and if I happen to not like them anymore all I need say is "Go", and out they will go, and when they go out, they go, not into the herd of swine since I happen to like pigs and would not inflict such on them, but run violently down the steep place into the sea and perish.

Or do you assume that buda would say "go" to duda's freely chosen legion and they'd dare tell buda to fuq off and stay? I tell you, even more so than this does buda do!

TATIME:
Well Jesus actually came to CONTROL the minds of those who choose to be His friends, that's why He is Lord! John 13:13,14

You lie, Tatime, or at least, you misunderstand! John 13:13-14 reads: “You call me ‘Teacher’ and ‘Lord,’ and rightly so, for that is what I am. Now that I, your Lord and Teacher, have washed your feet, you also should wash one another’s feet" in no way means he "came to control minds those who choose to be His friends"! It would be rather odd, after all, if as we read, his ministry to free people from those who enslave them would only be to enslave them to his own control!

Jesus came to free people from control, and actually sent a comforter to further minister to them individually after he left. It is therefore not for you to assume the position of the comforter giving your own understanding and asking that we accept your control in it's place! If your so called God wished that we be controlled, he would not have created us with a mind to make free choices. And you don't get to intermediate between the comforter and anyone else, since I, as an atheist, would continue to throw spanners in such designs whether you like it or not!

MuttleyLaff:
This is duplicitous and misleading budaatum.

That is not what completely and how fully TATIME wrote that remark.
You butchered and cut to pieces what and how he originally wrote
and in this distorted format, you've now made it have a different slant and meaning

Ah, I missed this! Tatime did specifically say:

Why not mind your business by allowing those who feels the need for control to be tamed by their captors?

And

"let ATHEISTS remain silent because"

So I can't understand what you say has been butchered! Please explain!

MuttleyLaff:
I was scratching my head, scrolling up and down
looking in vain for what budaatum quoted, thinking to myself how can TATIME be writing like this.

Of course, the reason I wasnt able to find it was because of the butchering

He's now gone back to edit "let ATHEISTS remain silent" adding because at the end
though he says he is not into editing posts once submitted

I do remember saying I am "not into editing posts", though not for the reason you gave, so are you accusing buda of butchering?

I would like you to be clearer please, though I am certain it is not I whom you are claiming added ""let ATHEISTS remain silent" adding because at the end".

Ubenedictus:
actually it has always been the case, the Catholic Church has always pioneered, sponsored and promoted the sciences.

Not that I wish to get into an argument about the Catholic Church, least not with you, whom I just happen to have immense regard for with your intelligent reasoning I daresay, but there clearly were times when the Catholic Church did oppose ideas (and not only scientific ones) that were contrary to those held by the Church, and some of those who held them were classified as heretics.

I hold the position that the explanation of the universe and how it came about as depicted in the Bible was early day 'science', a position I have defended on here somewhere. But like all scientific explanations, they are subject to revision when we see further than the earlier scientists did. The Catholic Church, more so than some, has learnt this lesson hence The Catechism of the Catholic Church asserting "Methodical research in all branches of knowledge, provided it is carried out in a truly scientific manner and does not override moral laws, can never conflict with the faith, because the things of the world and the things of faith derive from the same God". I have not yet come across a Catholic ignorantly insisting the world is 6000 years old or that evolution is a myth for instance, as some do. In fact, to some, the Catholic Church itself is heretic and ought to be on my list!

Thanks for the information about Nicholas of Cusa. Giordano Bruno's influences were rather vast, and also included Giovanni Pico della Mirandola (24 February 1463 – 17 November 1494) an Italian Renaissance nobleman and philosopher, and Marsilio Ficino (19 October 1433 – 1 October 1499) an Italian scholar and Catholic priest and influential humanist philosophers of the early Italian Renaissance, as well as Arab astrology (particularly the philosophy of Averroes), Neoplatonism, Renaissance Hermeticism, and Genesis-like legends surrounding the Egyptian god Thoth. It is his vast learning that has been my influence and makes him my favorite, though I daresay, almost on par with Jesus Christ. I guess my approach to him was via hermeticism, so Nicholas Cusa may be somewhat under my radar, but he most definitely was an important influence on him, as you've made me aware, and which I am most grateful for.

Please continue making the dissemination of such things a goal. When we read that "we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places", some of us do think it is this stony ignorance that we fight with our girted loins, our breastplate of righteousness and shod feet and shield of faith and helmet of salvation - the armour of truth that we deploy to quench the fiery darts of the wicked who peddle ignorance that leads to perdition. As Christ said, some give stones when asked for bread, so some take duty to speak boldly to make all things known. And whether we be followers of Paul, or followers of Apollos or are heretics or atheists or Catholics or Christians or Muslims or whatever else we may be considered to be, in as much as we are people of the world, Grace is with those that love the truth in all sincerity.

MuttleyLaff:
The abridged version explanation is that a faustian contract
is standard for the symbiotic arrangement you're enjoying with the demons budaatum

My original response is finished
but sitting on my laptop, waiting to be published when I finish what I am at the moment doing

Wouldn't your definition of demons and their nature have bearings on whether one's relationship with them were faustian or not, muttley? Or are you assuming a nature for demons you have not yet defined?

LordReed:
Why do people like fables like this when this case is a matter of record? This is not some case from 2000yrs ago you can come and bamboozle us with fake stories OK. The case was thrown out because of a time limit but trust dumbasses like you to cook up dundi stories to show your lack of intelligence and peddle them as truth. Google is your friend since your fairytale god doesn't know how to preserve records properly.

I think its smokescreen to blind you to the substance of their argument. See how Tatime made you miss the demand that you stand aside and let him capture innocent people!

TATIME:
it's like ATHEISM gives you the impetus to do onto others what you WON'T accept, right?
Why not mind your business by allowing those who feels the need for control to be tamed by their captors?

It is my business. Religion teaches falsehoods that affects us all unfortunately. You yourself said textbooks are false, and the Bible the only true book, an ignorant statement if ever I've heard one and detrimental to society. A people brought up on such beliefs would have more churches than factories, more preachers than doctors and the lifetime of everyone in such societies would be harsh short and bleak as they wait for a blissful afterlife they have no evidence of. And besides, you are always out to capture more people so we need to oppose you so that you fail!

No Tatime! We atheists will not stand by while you enslave innocent people into your false way of thinking! Jesus did not do that and neither would we!

MuttleyLaff:
I never for a moment doubted you like your demons but out of curiosity,
what of your Faustian contract for this symbiotic arrangement?

Please explain how you've concluded I must have a faustian contract.

Talk2david1:
This is funny. More like a thief trying to catch another thief.

More like thief calling himself thief.

Konze70:
A fool has said in his heart there's no God

Wise people know there are no gods.

elated177:
However be sure of this; at the end of the age, every individual will appear before the judgment seat of Yahushua the Messiah where they will give account of what they did while still on this mortal body.

And you shall be standing by yelling with glee, "Burn them! Burn them! They are of the seed of satan", I suppose.

Smh!

MuttleyLaff:
To each his own

I never for a moment doubted you like your demons but out of curiosity,
what of your Faustian contract for this symbiotic arrangement?

Faustian contract? There you go again, muttley! Please consider my previous response about what I'd do when I like them no more. That's the beauty of choice.

TATIME:
let ATHEISTS remain silent because

Remember I said no one controls us?

Come put sellotape over our mouths if you want to try. But note. We've been through much more and are still here!

LordReed:
Merry Xmas joseph1013, budaatum, vaxx, TATIME, plaetton, Originakalokalo, ihedinobi3, CAPSLOCKED, Hardmirror, Hahn, Muttleylaff, Mobilia, Anas09, johnydon22, tintingz, frank317 and all denizens of religion section.

And to you all too. Merry Christmas.

TATIME:
budaatum!
I told you "ATHEISM is a form of worship for those WHO LIKES CHOOSING THEIR OWN GODS whether personal or collective"
They may say "i believe God exists" or "i DON'T believe God exist". One thing that is significant about them is how their interested drives all their response towards every presentation whether worship or hobby!
For instance, you aren't gonna welcome the idea of those claiming worshippers of Jesus but you're INTERESTED in their festivals!
You may refute my definition of ATHEISM but every step,thoughts,words,action or reaction of yours is saying YES to that definition!

You are free to believe what you want Tatime.

Out of interest, how old is the earth?

TATIME:
That's the difference between ATHEISTS and CHRISTIANS.
We care!
Lots and lots of calamitous events in December, robberies increases,food price increases,transport fairs increases,clothes price increases,sexual promiscuity abounds,more youths are initiated into stealing, lying, casual sex,juvenile deliquesces and so on just as all these accompanies SATURNALIA back then in Rome!
So my friend,True CHRISTIANS cares!

Isn't there a thread on here about December 25 being a pagan festival appropriated by Christianity?

We care Tatime. Atheist do feel sorrow, and joy, too.

vaxx:
vaxx wishing budaatum a merry Christmas. where is my Champaign and turkey roasted laps

Merry Christmas vaxx. I'm eating and drinking it for you of course, though fish, and not turkey. Cheers to an even more fruitful 2019.

Originakalokalo:
I will use this opportunity to warn all the blasphemers on this thread to desist.

God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob ask me to tell you to desist from blaspheming.

He is a consuming fire, the God of the dreadful cherubims and the hosts of heaven.

Stop!

Search for the truth and argue your belief without insulting the Creator of the Universe.

Your time is ticking fast...


I hope you all have ears?

Desist? Of course they will not desist! But don't worry about them, we all know they will be raptured or go to hell or whatever it is the Christians version of extermination is. This is a good thing considering the world is overpopulated anyway. And there'd be more space in heaven for the righteous.

HardMirror:
are you joking? You must be joking. Do you have a glorious life wife? Lol!

Hooked up.

My favorite thread I come back to when there's nothing worthwhile on Nairaland.

Merry Christmas Joseph.

joseph1013:
I don't think I am interested in a god that has filled you with so much hatred.

Who would be, except the hateful! Suggest press become a Christian. Play might learn a thing or two.

Martinez39:
Cc. Martinez19

Consider Contra Bibliolatreia II -the Septuagint by PastorAIO. Note the various sources (biases) for the current texts.

luvmijeje:
I deh tire for copy and paste.

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