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joseph1013:
I don't think I am interested in a god that has filled you with so much hatred.

Who would be, except the hateful! Suggest press become a Christian. Play might learn a thing or two.

Martinez39:
Cc. Martinez19

Consider Contra Bibliolatreia II -the Septuagint by PastorAIO. Note the various sources (biases) for the current texts.

luvmijeje:
I deh tire for copy and paste.

Pay fees come school or get a scholarship

Akin1212:
Leave this mumu and move on bro. His failures are there for everyone to see.

Just let him continue in his misery.

What?! Instead of teaching to reason critically, you want to leave dunce!? Do you not know that one dunce can make everyone seem like dunce?

I've helped you open school for dunce. Send dunce there and consider contributing to dunce's school fees. Uniform is optional. Dunciness shouldn't be!

Be warned!

Critical Reasoning

otherwise known as 'dunce school'

The list of core critical thinking skills includes observation, interpretation, analysis, inference, evaluation, explanation, and metacognition. According to Reynolds (2011), an individual or group engaged in a strong way of critical thinking gives due consideration to establish for instance:

Evidence through reality

Context skills to isolate the problem from context

Relevant criteria for making the judgment well

Applicable methods or techniques for forming the judgment

Applicable theoretical constructs for understanding the problem and the question at hand

In addition to possessing strong critical-thinking skills, one must be disposed to engage problems and decisions using those skills. Critical thinking employs not only logic but broad intellectual criteria such as clarity, credibility, accuracy, precision, relevance, depth, breadth, significance, and fairness. ^Wiki


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDN6pLyffLk

fxuser:
charts dont lie . . (took time and plenty struggle to change belief systems sha)

What do you use for Nigerian charts please?

Bankers Warehouse Mission
To provide World Class Cash Management / Processing Services to Clients through Highly skilled and experienced professionals that are supported by appropriate technology infrastructure in order to create value for clients and shareholders and make a lasting positive contribution to the society.

Is hiring agbero to carry $2.8b in 2 suitcases without proper CBN issued documentation world class?

Union Bank must be petty market traders if it is!

MuttleyLaff:
Na wa ooo. Sorry ooo.
"Ko easy", loosely translated means, "it aint easy for you"
"O ku eru, o ku ajo," loosely translated means, "steady with the load, uneasy lies the head that wears a crown"

As I said, I like my demons. If I didn't, I'd cast them out. It is easy for me!

Ranchhoddas:
I'm sure there are people around you partying and making merry but you are thinking of a fictional oven of torture at this time and I'm the depressed one?

Who do you like this?

One must ask, lol!

MuttleyLaff:
Did you with that remark above in inverted commas say, there's is only one demon in you, doing you?

Many demons, One buda.

What are demons, muttley?

Martinez39:
. Disagreement due to ignorance of scripture is different from disagreement due to reinterpretation and perspectives of scripture. Atheists, who has read the bible thoroughly and honestly(obviously), all agree on what the bible says.

It does sound to me as if you are saying that I have not read the Bible thoroughly and honestly and that's the reason we disagree. Rather amusingly, Tatime too, a JW I think, gives the same reason for my disagreeing with him also. I guess both of you are devoid of biases which buda seems to have in abundance. All I can do is apologise for not being as unignorant and thorough and honest as you two.

Merry Christmas!

TATIME:
Thanks for agreeing that WORSHIP is necessary!

Worship is not necessary, Tatime! The fact that I use words you understand does not mean you equate my meaning to yours.

My definition of worship (love one's neighbour, do Samaritan, do some of Exodus 20 and the whole of Psalm 15 and and a lot of Proverbs and learn from the Gospels and the likes), which we agreed on simply means "doing good and living a good life as far as everyone and everything else is concerned". It hardly means worship in the religious sense of the word, as you've shown by stating that one has to believe in gods and join a religion to do it.

And even "doing good and living a good life as far as everyone and everything else is concerned" is not necessary for those who don't agree it is since it is a choice. I can hardly insist that a mass murderer should do good and live a good life now, can I, or am I all of a sudden some god who is responsible for setting others on the path I chose to thread?

One may chose to live a good life as defined, and it can have nothing to do with gods, or religion, in anyway whatsoever, is my point. And if some god wants others to walk in its path, then it should perhaps bother to inform them of it, or make them even - I'm sure some wouldn't mind.

Do not mistake my ability to speak religionese as an acceptance of religion per se, or gods, for that matter. As I said, I am concerned about the here and now and not some everlasting life in the hereafter since I have no evidence it exists and it has no bearing on here and now, for me. Besides, our discussion here just points to the fact that religion can be divisive, or what else is it that you object to about me apart from the fact that I don't agree that your version of truth is the right and only proper one?

There are no superior authorities who give buda specific instructions, unless buda's ability to reason and understand determines that buda do so. buda is definitely not some individual who subjugates buda's own ability to others, not even to God, without at least some evidence that such God actually exists.

Do know that if by now you believe I do not understand when the facts are that we merely see some things different to each other, then it is perhaps time for me to move on. You at least have engaged with an atheist who differs to the view of atheists you insist on holding onto despite the evidence before your very own eyes, and I am certain you do perfectly understand and that suffices for me.

Martinez39:
Your bias is really getting the better of you, just look at what you wrote. Haha! Let's assume that no one speaks Greek anymore. It doesn't change the fact that the first English bible, precisely the King James Version, was released in the 17th century(1611AD) when people spoke Greek and you can't tell me that there was not a polyglot or linguist skilled, at least, in both English and Greek.

Sorry Martinez19, but it does seem that your knowledge of the history of the translation of the Bible is incomplete at the least. Is it because you focus on my bias whilst completely ignoring yours?

The Bishop's Bible, from which the KJV was a revision, was translated in opposition to translations of the Bible before its time. Ships were searched to ensure the Geneva translation did not land on British soil because it offended the bias of the high-church party of the Church of England since it sought to replace government of the church by bishops with government by lay elders. The KJV removed the Geneva bias and replaced it with the King's bias. That alone points to disagreement in translating the text itself, not to talk of the diverse understandings one gets depending on the preferred version one reads

Then there is documented evidence of the difficulty translating from so called originals in ancient Greek, Latin, Hebrew etc, all of which had huge differences to the modern day forms of those languages, and even of those in existence at the time of translating. Bias could not but have gotten the better of them considering the intentions and views and understandings of the translators.

What's amusing here is that even our discussion proves my point. We both have our biases, so how could we all possibly agree? Call my bias ignorant if you may, and I'll accept, but we can't agree because we can not all see things in the same way, unless you are asking that our brains be removed and we be programmed to not think like some religious people do, and which I do think we both abhor.

I freewilly insist that my reading says its right and proper for me to understand and take from it as pleases me. And you are free to abandon your brain and your freewill and become a slave to my interpretation if you so wish. Otherwise, you will just have to accept paxonel's position on devils and juju and witchcraft, and mine with my spaghetti and who is lord, or continue to consider us as "faulty", "ignorant and dishonest" and biased just because we do not abandon our free will and accept you highly intelligent unbiased understanding.

TATIME:
You're a living proof of that my friend, because you keep insisting on SEEING or HEARING from God before you will agree HE exists!

As evidence that God exists, yes, since you all asking us to bow down. Or do you expect me to bow down to a thing I have no evidence exists? Even Daniel in the Bible refused to do something as stupid as that. Should I not learn from him? What would be my learning from studying the Bible if I refused to learn such a simple lesson?

TATIME:
One more thing left for you to do to become one of those worshiping God in the right sense!

I already 'worship' with people who worship like those we have agreed worship properly, Tatime, and we do so without the involvement of gods since we all come from diverse views on the topic. In was by common agreement in fact, that we removed gods from our worship since many of us worship gods as well in our own diverse ways or not outside our joint 'worship'.

I am satisfied with my 'worship', thank you, and see no need to involve awful imams or pastors in anyway whatsoever since you yourself agree they give stones instead of life giving bread.

Anduku:
I am still ready to meet you anywhere in Lagos tonight. You know what to do if you're really the man you claim to be. Stop using my not posting pics here as an excuse, you have seen my pics before and I have promised to also send you as many as you want to your mail box when you respond to my mail, I even offered to give you a contact number to speak with me before you come. I also gave you the option of picking a venue and time on the island since that's where you claim you are going to be.

This is reasonable enough as not everyone would post pictures of themself on nl. I for instance, would be concerned that the length of my skirt becomes the issue considering you guys' history with one another. You both let us know how you get on. I'm sure you're both smart enough to make this happen.

Meanwhile, the shutdown is not the sole fault of the Democrats anymore. According to Trump, the Fed done some of it too.

MuttleyLaff:
Oh no!
Ka sun re Mama
cc vaxx budaatum

Rip indeed.

TATIME:
That's a big lie budaatum! ATHEISTS do believe in the existence of so many things they can't see. There are a thousand and one thing that atheists agreed are existing that's INVISIBLE to their eyes simply because they can feel it's presence!!

Like what, air perhaps, or the mind maybe, or evolution perchance, or Tatime even. After all, it's not as if I see you so would it be rational to hold the position that Tatime does not exist because I cannot see Tatime?

"Seeing" includes, touching, feeling, recognising, hearing, smelling, tasting, understanding and reasoning even. When Jesus spat on mud and rubbed it in the eye and the man could see, he was not only curing the blindness of the eye, according to my understanding, at least.

Has Jesus not spat on mud and rubbed it in Tatime's eye, so Tatime just can't see yet, I wonder.

TATIME:
You can see the President of your country but how many of the citizens can have a one on one discussion with him?

Oh, you do mean like the President of my country!

Well, I do think some would agree that there is more evidence that the President of my country exists than for the existence of a God which even you have not seen, heard, felt, smelt, or understood I dare add, it seems. But I don't see any reason to cover my own eye that Jesus rubbed mud he spat on and refuse to use it to look at the evidence before me and then believe in the existence of things I have absolutely no evidence for. That would require that I ignore the evidence before me and lie to myself or engage in some sort of self-delusion, all of which I find myself incapable of. And it really has no bearing on the sort of worship we agree is the correct sort of worship, or does it?

TATIME:
What the founders of ATHEISM are trying to do is "communicate directly with God!

Are we not back where we began, with you misrepresenting atheism? It seems we are to me. Did someone go up the mountain and come back to give you this your definition of atheism? Or are you just completely blinded to the evidence of atheist buda which is before your very own eyes?

Atheism, Tatime, is the position that there is no God. And I am an atheist. It would be rather very insanely stupid of me to be trying to communicate with a thing that does not exist, don't you think? Some would even agree that trying to communicate with a stone that does exist is even much less insanely stupid, I would think.

So you agree that worship is love one's neighbour, do Samaritan, do some of Exodus 20 and the whole of Psalm 15 and and a lot of Proverbs and learn from the Gospels and the likes? Is there any reason for you to think an atheist can't understand this?

Do you think I, buda, do not do these things because I am an atheist, Tatime?

TATIME:
Now you're ready for PURE worship budaatum! Let me say welcome on board to the movement of God's children on earth.
Because the former is exactly what WORSHIP means,the later is what i've been calling MISINFORMATION,for you to worship God in the right sense you must put into consideration all those around you, including the beasts, fishes, birds,trees,ants,worms and your environment.
God doesn't need you bowing your head down before any Goddamn seen or unseen beings,what HE is asking you is to learn how to cohabit with other living creatures in your neighborhood and that's why HE gave us a common textbook (BIBLE) that's ever relevant to all generations of earth's inhabitants!
HE passes the info to maintain our environmental obligations through the first man "Adam" (Genesis 1:36-30)
But Adam chose not to follow that lifesaving info rather he and his wife wants to do as they're pleased in the midst of others without considering the orders from the one who knew the best way to live!
That's the meaning of "EATING from the tree of good and bad" Genesis 2:17 compared to 3:22
Today there is no globally accepted guidebook on how we can cohabit with others like humans, beasts,fish,birds,trees,ants,worms and even no globally accepted treatment for the oxygen we breathe in to survive! All these and many more are what Adam should have passed to us as lifesaving info but since he himself ignored it,how can he teach his children?
So my friend WORSHIP has a deeper meaning than what the misinformed churchgoers and their so called Pastors who are just misrepresentation are spewing all around! Thanks

MuttleyLaff:
You think God didnt manufacture buda well enough to withstand having a legion in him?

No. I know God didn't manufacture buda, mummy and daddy did, the physical structure at least, and I manufactured the buda mind inside that structure myself.

I like my legions!

Abbeybailey:
Why don't u ask the chest beating pigs to post their pics. I am well known on this forum. I can post many pics. The onus is on the chest beating pigs to show their faces..

They do what they want. In the end, we'd all decide who the chicken is, won't we?

Martinez19:
Don't try to make the bible look like advanced calculus written in greek.

The Bible was written in Greek actually, Greek that is not written anymore for that matter, and translated from languages no one speaks anymore, so it probably is as difficult as calculus considering all the various contradictions therein and the numerous ways in which it can be taken.

Martinez19:
Many christians, especially those that believe in evolution, interpret the story of Adam and Eve as a metaphor and that not because it is their honest stance after reading the bible "thoroughly and honestly" but because it's convenient and makes them feel better. This basis and other faulty basis(ignorant and dishonest) produce many denominations. I am sure that if people read the bible honestly and thoroughly, they would all be on the same page as to what it says.

Are you suggesting that taking parts of the Bible as metaphor is because it is "convenient and makes one feel better" and such a view is "faulty", "ignorant and dishonest"?

Well, I beg to differ, but observe two "atheists who have read the bible", disagreeing on what the bible says, in contradiction to your earlier statement that atheists agree! I wonder if you think I am the "ignorant and dishonest" one here, Martinez19.

TATIME:
Now you're saying God must speak DIRECTLY to you but why are you trying to speak to others as in inform them on specific things that they can handle their own ways? If truthfully you think God should speak DIRECTLY to everyone, or do you think God should be partial by speaking through budaatum to others as in a SPECIAL person?

No! I'm not saying God should only speak to me. Nor am I telling anyone to handle anything my way. Or do you think I'm trying to convert you to handle your stuff my way? You can't, Tatime!

If there is a God, and that God created everyone, then that God should perhaps consider communicating with it's creations directly, especially to we atheist who it has created with the ability to not believe in the existence of things we have no evidence for!

TATIME:
HE has NOTHING to discuss with you! Buddha and many others whose races has NOTHING to do with God's arrangements tried communicating DIRECTLY with God but since HE has NO info to pass through them they ended up speaking to demons!

TATIME:
So my friend NOBODY decides for the true God how to operate,you only need to search for his program and join those doing it before God will make use of you(in accordance with HIS established program)

So, you're saying, God has no time or need for me but I should worship him anyway and for some imaginary everlasting life in a hereafter that no one knows exists or not, just take the word of a book and that of some others who claim God sent them?

If by "worship", you mean, love my neighbour, do Samaritan, do some of Exodus 20 and the whole of Psalm 15 and and a lot of Proverbs and learn from the Gospels and the likes, for instance, then yes, buda can worship, gladly. After all, Jesus too said I should have regard for my neighbours here on earth, which is pretty good advice, especially in todays understanding where "neighbours" are just about everyone on earth, plus all the animals, and the universe even. It is quite a lot of 'worship' and worthy of doing to boot.

But if by "worship", you mean, join some congregation to have my brain reprogrammed to discard everything that I do see and start giving my money and my time to bowing to some imaginary figure that no one has seen and singing hosanna clappy hands and and all. Sorry, buda can't do! My eyes will be insulted if I disregard what I see, and I'd probably go insane because my mind will go on strike in anger that I refuse to use it. Even Jesus advised against me bothering about some God in heaven whom I can't see, and I must say, I find his advice pretty worth taking on the whole!

Let me know which you mean by "worship God", please, Tatime.

Abbeybailey:
When you were calling me baboon, drug dealer and 70 year old man, you sure didn't do it by mail. When is time to show your face, a hungry pig is now talking about mail. You are a gutless coward. Like I said, I set the financial part of fvcking you aside even before I flew to Nigeria. I wouldn't touch you but I have people that will put the fear of God in you and that's why I told you not to come alone. Bring your other pigish friends like itchie and the Oshodi garage tout named Timbuktu.

And no "fvcking" please, unless you are opposite genders! Same gender sex is illegal in Nigeria!

Abbeybailey:
Reporting for duty. Arrived last night and i am ready for the loud mouths but they have to show me their faces on their profile so i will know the people i will be meeting with. No hanky panky or stupid DM. That's a cop out for them. If you can call me names in the public, they can be gutsy enough to make our meeting public. It's an open offer to any of the loud mouths.

Post a photo of yourself somewhere in Naija please so we know you're really there or some people will claim you're in Togo!

And perhaps mention those who need to meet you so they can't claim they forgot.

Oh, and what were you planning to prove to each other again? Remind us please so we can verify.

lexy2014:
Jesus Christ of Africa...does CBN do wire transfer to banks & their branches? So if d bank branch has high cash demand like in d Christmas period like this, how will it meet its obligation to its customers?

Yes! There is no reason to physically move such a huge amount of cash. You intra-bank transfer and settle your accounts on paper. It's not Dugbe market, cash only!

lexy2014:
So how does CBN rivers deliver 5billion naira to union bank bonny? How's it bad practice to carry cash by air?

Electronic transfer. Digits on paper. The money itself does not need to move!

gogodaye:
Eh ya!
Ignorance is bliss...
All of what you've written is off the cuff.....
I'll rather have an octogenarian run the polity than have you any where close with what I've just read from you concerning the subject matter under discuss....

Show me your pvc please and let me burn it! You must not be allowed to vote!

Yusman316:
Guys when will u comprehend what u read? Under the money laundering act, it is illegal to carry such huge amount without declaring to the relevant agency irrespective of who owns it, period. Pls stop with the what ifs

Not only declaring it, but moving it through the proper channels with proper paperwork!

dominusgai:
Chairman 5 minutes is not possible, it will take at least 24 hours. I just consulted with a banker now. He told me before they can reply a mail from efcc would take at least 2 working days.

Trust me, anyone can sleep two days with that sort of money not where its meant to be get yawa no be small!

ImperialYoruba:
I responded to this earlier but will emphasize here again.

We dont know the truth. We can only make assessment of what each side has published.

If you are EFCC and im Head of Ops in a bank and receive letter from you, or even a phone call....im jumping on it right away and will respond to let you know i got your letter or phone call or whatever and we will look into your concern.

Maybe in the past people fvckd with EFCC and didnt even read its letters before thrashing it. Those times are past! Anyone getting EFCC contact these days and treating it nonchallantly has himself to blame.

At least tell them you got it...detailed response will come after review. Shikena! . That doesnt take 24hrs to do.

Which kind letter? If you were in charge of moving this amount of money for Union Bank would you not glue phone to your head until money reach? Efcc call you, write you letter, phone you you no answer come de tell us you get case!

That kind nonchalantly is like dark ages type!