₦airaland Forum

benalvino3:
You are know for lying to yourself.

We know the Palestinians don't want to coexist with the Jews, it is why that place is riddled with war and at the point, Israel should be allowed to do what every other nations do. Take everything.

The Israelis do not want to coexist with the Palestinians. That's why they oppress them snd steal their land and commit genocide against them.

benalvino3:
They are not the peacemakers, they are going to shoot you if someone points at you and says, 'That's a Jew,' because that is what they have been taught.

Would you be a peacemaker, holy ben? I would like to shoot if you steal the iand my great great great grandparents handed down to me wherever you are from myself. And no, I'm not interested in your Oct7 retort at all. They do not want to kill you because, 'That's a Jew,', but because you are not teaching me to not shoot you when you bombed my neighbourhood and bombed my family and bombed my friends and bombed the schools and stole the land that we lived on.

I'm awake but it's nothing to do with Naija stress. It's just past midnight and I'm preparing for a walk. I got to be awake by 7:30 to go skipping with the grands, and I doubt I'd be asleep by 3.

Fridud234:
it is not about sugar coating, and nothing I said is sugar coated. You specifically said a woman has no place to run to if “maltreated as in raped from dusk to dawn” hey, that’s not a good way to describe a woman’s access to a person regardless of where the person you are telling comes from. And women may be experiencing ill treatment in our patriarchal society but don’t forget the “classism concept” in Nigeria. As it is for Mrs A who is poorly married isn’t necessarily the same for Mrs B who has the finances to get out of a situation or abuse she doesn’t seem fit. You can’t just rape a woman from dusk to dawn and she has no where to run to. Initially you were replying with calmness to let the Linq guy send you the information for the duckweed but now you’re going here and there, one minute fighting, second minute agreeing, quite confusing I must say.

First, I'm not fighting anyone at any minute. And I hope I am remaining relatively calm, because while this conversation has been going on and for 6 weeks that ends in about 2, I've been walking thr grands, g8 b12 g14, 5 miles a day after skipping at 7:30, and calmness is required to make us enjoy museums and parks and photography, I'd think. So yes. I hope I have been calm. Still, I will read your reference as an order to improve myself and be calmer. I am so grateful you observe.

Fridud234, you said I was two faced, with negative implications dare I suggest. And I think I informed you that my faces are more than 2. I've even aluded to lindqvistbergst that I might be up to 5 faced, which would make me much worse than you first thought. That, I'm afraid, is buda, "going here and there, one minute fighting, second minute agreeing", which I fully agree is "quite confusing I must say", too, but I can hardly be required to simplify to suit those who can't do the work to comprehend what confuses. Or should I?

Just think of it. People read a couple of posts by a person on Nairaland and start diagnosing that person as adhd and autistic just because they are adhd and autistic, to fit in their own little boxes, which are like all the lenses they have with which they make sense of stuff. To me it would be like an Nigerian reader claiming to understand the European situation through a very different legal and social lens, when many Nigerians don't even understand the Nigerian situation through any lens. Still, is it buda's duty to make them look through lenses they refuse to look through

Please know that my responses to anyone I quote are not for that person alone to read. More come on Nairaland just to read what is said here, and every reader will read with their own lenses and see in their own diverse ways, regardless of how I write what I say, since buda is a complete failure at brainwashing Nairalanders, I hope, especially the European who has his mind made up already.

Also know that my assumption is, most would likely read my "dusk till dawn" as theatric exaggeration, as too was my "sugar coating", which I left in only after agonising. You did not ask me to sugar coat. My bad. You can’t just rape a woman from dusk to dawn and she has no where to run to. What many poor women have is a difficulty running to the law, or even family, but most will find somewhere to run to if their husband were a rãpīst. And of course, wealth, and influence, and the capability of the woman can overcome this. Forgive me for letting it be assumed otherwise.

P.s. There's a thread where this was discussed. The views are, let me say, learning. To confuse.

Fridud234:
Budaatum, your statement — *“A man can rape his wife from dusk to dawn in Nigeria and there's no place for her to go and complain to get redress”* — is misleading in some respects, especially to a European reader who may understand the Nigerian situation through a very different legal and social lens.

I did a response to you but spam bot it so I've posted it here for you. https://x.com/BudaAtum/status/2086273067391565987?s=20

The above bit.

Any reader who doesn't bother to understand the Nigerian situation through a Nigerian legal and social lens is ill informed and must be educated, I'd think. It's like trying to understand the British situation through a Nigerian legal and social lens, I'd have thought. Yet, we look through the lenses we have, hopefully, after getting as many lenses as possible to check out the view, as it is one's own responsibility to remove one's own biases from one's own perception least one's own view is distorted

Like I said, legal. And not my responsibility to sugar coat for European understanding, if any such thing. Some Nigerian in laws might go bash in the pigs head what touched their daughter or sister after she said no, married or not, and some fathers and brothers could do worse. Even neighbours might break the door down if the wife yells loud enough, though I wonder what they'd say once they get in, and there's shelters now in Nigeria for battered wives, which wasn't a thing till recent, but far too many are told "he's your husband, it's your responsibility, grin and bear it", and that's unacceptable.

lindqvistbergst:
And women do come with remotes....its called tlc.

The women you know, lindqvistbergst, and many I know to be honest. But I know many women who'd rather be respected than be tlced, perhaps because I'm not dating them so tlc would be inappropriate, and I sure know many who are, "Damn your tlc! Gi me de monie". Not dating them either.

lindqvistbergst:
....and you are not buda. The same as im not loki no matter how much I want to be.

buda must seriously irk you, lol. I wonder what you'd have said if I'd decided to go with my first choice, Orunmila, or my family name which I translate to, King of all the Entire Heavens. You'd have really been Loki then, I bet.

Here's what I think, though I know you care not. It's juvenile to let a Nairaland monicker bother you so much. We hardly choose them for the reasons you think.

I think it unintelligent to be diagnosing a person from a conversation in a Nairaland thread. One who does might have an overestimation of powers and abilities issues.

You can't escape buda, lindqvistbergst, African woke or whatever. Come on! You'd know that already if you butchered my posts like you claimed you did. It's after all not like you can make budaatum disappear.

My hope is that you don't escape, because it means you will do to here what you did to the west to escape woke, and buda enjoys that you are here, so, stay please.

As for faces, I'd say 5. At least 3. Be grateful I'm not selling you anything.

Mandem05:
Cho cho cho nor go give una credible elections. Abi you didn't hear that you HAVE TO TAKE IT AND GRAB IT? If una like make una siddon dey look while 2027 is DEJAVU OF 2027.

Credible elections are not given. Those who want credible elections should get off their asses and fight to grab it and own it.

I hope my fake Kennedy sums it.

The foundation argued that successive administrations had increasingly consolidated authority across the executive, legislature and judiciary, resulting in weakened institutional checks and widespread impunity.

This actually made me laugh some. I'll explain

Nigeria started off a parliament with Queen Elizabeth the Second as our head of state. You know that's not going to last, but it did, until October 1, 1963, when Nigeria amended its constitution to become a federal republic, replacing the British monarch with an indigenous president while retaining the parliamentary system until military intervention in January 1966 till 1999, a whole 33 years of my own existence, when we became democratic which is perhaps why I'm democratic, now I think of it. (Yes, I know I skipped Shagari, you eagles.)

My point is, Obasanjo, talking about the parliamentary system, said, "how can I call the opposition, 'my learned friend' when he is my enemy who wants to take power from me".

Of course we'd go for presidential, as it tends to the consolidation of power in the hands of some over time, especially in a nation of kings like we are. Those who follow USA politics would have seen it happen there, though their wealthiest are their kings, and even on the world stage with a stretched imagination.

What it says to me is, we Nigerians have a lot of work to do and really need to get up and vote so a mere less than 10m don't elect our next president like it did the current one.

givedemwotowoto:
We have said this many times that Nigeria’s democracy has collapsed but some people prefer hope and fantasy over reality.

I bet you can say it a million times and Nigeria will continue to hold its democratic elections to elect our president and governors and etc. Nigeria's democracy has not collapsed, give. And to be honest, I think you give us not enough credit.

To start with, we've been democratic only 27 years, an insufficient time to have done better, in my opinion, considering USA is 250. And the fact that Nigeria's democracy collapsing kind of means we, the stewards of Nigeria and it's democracy, have failed if Nigeria's democracy were to collapse on our watch. I mean, I'm not that useless I'd like to hope. Are you? Or is it that you don't see how you (and I) are responsible for Nigeria's democracy collapsing or thriving?

No, I'm not asking anyone to run for president or governor of anywhere. Just that if every eligible voter on Nairaland alone were to vote in the next election we'd learn something. We'd learn a lot more if just 10% work polling station on election day.

You may consider forgiving me for thinking learning is required by us, as in, collective Nigerian us.

lindqvistbergst:
What's in it: personal background info, opinions and essays on various topics, formatting and tone instructions, specific words I'm told to avoid, and explicit rules about topics I should never bring up unless the person raises them first.

I think it would be very odd for buda, who is quick to tell anyone who attempts to tell buda what to say or do that buda's remote control is not in their hands, to now try to tell you what specific words to avoid or not bring up.

The below usually accompanies my response to such people.

lindqvistbergst:
Its an old British law that was never abolished fully here thats all. Im not 100% sure but the uk did it in the 1970s........i THINK. but im not sure. See, im man enough admit when im not sure

But im still not fecking humble and admit that too.

This bit, if you mean spousal rape, is relatively new, as even my Britain only just came out of darkness on this issue relatively recently. Currently, however, if a wife says no and the husband goes ahead anyway, she can legally accuse him of spousal rape. I don't think the man will get far though if he were the accuser, unless he has some real concrete evidence.

As for your "man enough to admit", what I got from you when I admitted my own ignorance about duckweed and thanked you for enlightening me was, "I don't respect you". So pray tell how you'd like me to react to your own admission of "man enough" please.

Oh! And I'm not humble neither. Not that you are interested, I know. And nor am I in any way requiring you to be humble to me. Please note.

Maybe you'd understand what you read me say if I try more simple language for you. So here goes.

Marital rape is not a thing in Nigeria. There is no law against it and it is not unlawful or a crime in Nigeria, hence it is not punishable in Nigeria. A man can rape his wife from dusk to dawn in Nigeria and there's no place for her to go and complain to get redress. I wish it weren't so, and that marital rape become a crime in my country Nigeria. And I hope it is soon.

P.s. Nigerian wives do not normally have a "wife's place", so I'm presuming a husband and a wife who live together, as opposed to the husband going to rape his wife at his wife's place. But even then I doubt he'd have a case to answer for in Nigeria that is not yet sufficiently enlightened to recognise spousal rape as a crime.

Do let me know which bits of the above you find difficult to understand so I can try to explain it more simply to you please. I've added some AI if that would help you.

lindqvistbergst:
How are you not grasping this? You are one of those countries. It is illegal and unlawful.....the only problem is a technicality....in the most simple way i can explain it. Marital rape is a loophole its genuinely not legal and is illegal thats why it can be used as grounds for divorce the problem is that there is no written punishment yet. Separation is still legally married but if you run to your wifes place and rape her THAT IS A CRIME WITH A PUNISHMENT! Do you understand the distinction?

Its an old British law that was never abolished fully here thats all. Im not 100% sure but the uk did it in the 1970s........i THINK. but im not sure. See, im man enough admit when im not sure

But im still not fecking humble and admit that too.

lindqvistbergst:
You call men who strike their families swine, yet the moment the conversation turns to forced penalties, massive bride wealth lists, or regional rules that treat people as disposable, you start spinning fairy tales about “only volunteers” and “subordinate codes.”

Those, "massive bride wealth lists, or regional rules that treat people as disposable", are things that the people themselves accept annd impose on themselves, unfortunately, since no law or constitution legislates for "massive bride wealth lists" and people treated as disposable. If we don't like those things, we should ourselves decide not to do them, and campaign to elect officers who would support our not doing those traditional things we don't want to do no more.

lindqvistbergst:
The lad who had a limb chopped did not volunteer for the butcher block. The women locked into those bride wealth rackets never consented to being treated like purchased goods. The entire structure runs on intimidation, not free choice.

I agree, not free choice. Though I could argue the "lad who had a limb chopped" who "did not volunteer for the butcher block" had his parents and society volunteer on his behalf by not opposing it at all. As for the bride price racket, I'd think we'd need to blame the parents who should have known better than to sell their child.

lindqvistbergst:
My stance remains pure legal absolutism. Section 1 crushes any conflicting tribal or religious decree. The African Charter guarantees freedom from degradation. The highest authority wins and it renders those oppressive practices legally dead.

First, the "highest authority" is winning already. It's just unfortunate that authority is currently tradition and religion.

The elimination of tradition and religion can be achieved through education, though it might take generations, like I pointed out with the cane, as we'd need to wait till we train enough teachers to teach the new non-traditional unreligious curriculum.

lindqvistbergst:
Nobody requires an invitation to respect human rights. If two adults freely choose to honour a tradition while ensuring genuine lineage purity and full consent, that is their business. The absolute final authority rests with them. Now stop defending a nationwide extortion and control scam dressed up as culture or religion.

I wonder what you'd say should be done if only one of the two adults "freely chooses to honour a tradition" while the other doesn't. Do they fight it out and the winner determines, or do they just go their separate ways?

lindqvistbergst:
Nigeria just lacks the knowledge to apply the laws and use the rights you already have.

The problems are enforcement and understanding not the laws. Are you clicking on yet?

I agree we lack the knowledge to apply our laws. It's so bad that if I go to the police to tell them my husband raped me, they'll look at me like I'm mad.

That's why I hope we learn and evolve, and will soon.

lindqvistbergst:
Legal-illegal.
Lawful-unlawful.

Are not the same. Thats what confuses you all.
under the supreme, foundational principles of justice and human rights, it is not "lawful" to rape your wife.

So it is unlawful and illegal and a crime to rape one's wife in countries that operate "under the supreme, foundational principles of justice and human rights" right?

I can't wait for us Nigerians to make Nigeria one of those countries. And I hope it's soon, with a draconian penalty of bits chopped off.

I hope you slept well.

Good morning lindqv. Just letting you know that buda hasn't jogged on, is still here, and doesn't require respect from you.

As for the Constitution, it's not written in stone, and would be ammended when we are ready to ammend it.

lindqvistbergst:
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See again legal illiteracy. And AI overview talking for you!! What is wrong with you!! And get that 3rd person woke crap out of here. I told you I do not respect. I do not give a flying feck about your opinion. Look at what you post its all utter nonsense and attack. Under 2000 and you are ranting 50,000. The constitution IS supreme. You cannot have dignity laws for a whole damn country THEN take dignity away and let a husband rape a wife. The constitution strikes any law that conflicts with it. Then you have the African Charter....doing the exact same say thing. Jog on. Frankie look the first thing i ever said to you....you are proving it.

benalvino3:
Israeli kids live ordinary childhoods life until they reach the age for military service. They are not being handed weapons as children and prepared for some future holy war.

Yeah, ben. The Israelis leave their children at home when they go to kick the Palestinians off the land so they can steal it from them.

Personally, I can't understand why you wouldn't expect radicalised Palestinians. If Israel done what they did to them to me I'd be radicalised for generations to come!

All you've said is your own opinion based on you "have taken a proper butchers", which you are fully entitled to, though I wonder how much butchering it was of so many post yet you couldn't bother to produce a single one as evidence to support your allegations. Thankfully, you don't dress buda. The below though!

lindqvistbergst:
Read the actual statutes because whatever excuse you make legally the constitution voids it. Marital rape is not legal because the constitution voids it. Sharia law is voided by the constitution. Customary law is voided by the constitution. Hitting your wife and kids is voided by the constitution. Any custom you try to enforce that violates natural justice is legally brown bread.

buda wants spousal rape that is not illegal in Nigeria to be a criminal offence in Nigeria. Men who rape their wife should be jailed.

Sharia and customary law applies to those who accept them. I don't, so they can't apply to me. It sure can not apply to you, or can it? Those who don't want it to apply to them should fight for it not to. I might join their fight before I'm come for next.

Pigs hit their wife and kids. And good parents should not be pigs. We might not yet be enlightened enough as a nation to abolish the cane, but most who grew up on the cane are learning to not cane their own children and that's delightful progress. I hope more learn. That said, granddaughter, 8, had to raise her hands up tonight as punishment for not using her mind.

budaatum trying to enforce custom on anyone is comedy, in my own opinion, but you better AI it.

Iyobaba:
Finally, you admit you've a thing against Cruz, that's understandable but discrediting a renowned analyst because of Cruz's bigotry or bias is what I'm against.

There are several well armed white militia groups within the US like the Patriots front and Active club, if someone or a Demo brings up a report support this notion, it shouldn't matter as long as the report is accurate.

Pray tell how you know the report is accurate.

My "against cruz" is not the only reason I gave you, so don't limit my against to cruz please.

Cruz, like the dump he serves, lies, so why wouldn't one suspect anything he says? If such people tell me the sky were blue I'd check it's not red.

One should not let oneself be manipulated thus, is what I think.

I've been wondering why maga been uncomfortable lately.

https://www.wired.com/story/maga-is-in-turmoil-over-tucker-carlsons-possible-2028-presidential-bid/

Iyobaba:
Again, you keep bringing different topics not remotely connected to the current discourse.

I think what you disagree with here is Ted Cruz and not what the counterterrorism analyst had to say.

Yes. I do keep bringing different topics, thanks for noticing. Unlike some who's minds might be boxed, mine is outside the town at least.

I do disagree with Ted Cruz because Ted Cruz has a view that is biased to promote this false belief he has. He's like our Enoch Powell, who ranted rivers of blood against black immigrants taking over Britain. We do it in Nigeria too, scaring that Islam is going to take over Enugu, when no one can take my own from worshipping Ogun. But that's not what I have against the anti-Islam rhetoric of Ted Cruz and his like. Just ask ben, he'd tell you his understanding, while mine is not being able to stand the bigotry. It's like Ogun worshippers claiming to take over from Sango worshippers so let's hate each other, which is so unmytribe, apart from my dislike of the control the hatred is designed to engineer.

Fact is, they may well take over, if you are that weak. I mean, seriously? Brotherhood? When China is rising? But to take over they must align with those who help them achieve their goals. Or would you argue the white nationalist don't have wings in both parties like the Brotherhood would? And that's why any one who doesn't want to be taken over should stand up to defend the Constitution of the United States of America instead of letting dump dump all over what makes America great, is what I think, since I doubt you'd wake up one morning and suddenly find the Supreme Court filled with ayatollahs of course, a fear I'd think is irrational.

Incidentally, I got to a paragraph in Deng Ming Dao's Chronicles of Tao. It's the middle one.

Iyobaba:
I'm utterly bewildered by your singular perspective.

Are you not bewildered by you own singular view?

Below is what Ted said.

“I held a hearing today in which experts established that the Muslim Brotherhood and DSA communists are [i]united by a shared hatred of America, Israel, Western civilization, capitalism, and democracy, and a revolutionary objective to overthrow the U.S. Constitution,” Cruz said on X.[/i]

Some said the exact same thing here about dump. After all, his Jan6 insurrection was damaging to Western civilization, and capitalism, and democracy, and was a revolutionary objective to overthrow the U.S. Constitution. Do you agree with this view?

lindqvistbergst:
No, it doesnt. And im preparing something special for you. Await my return and battle shall commence.

Battle? I guess it's that military training of yours. Like the person who's only tool is a hammer, you must nail war.

I'll be here when you've armed up.

Iyobaba:
Again you're misdirecting the conversation, was it Ted cruz who made the claim or a counterterrorism analyst?

Whoever made it had an agenda to push and I'm not buying.

Iyobaba:
You're argument is flawed because it was Cruz asking the questions, the analyst only answered.
The red green alliance will bring about the end of America itself from within.

I think you just don't understand my argument, though I admit I haven't made it yet.

When some hear what you fear here which is what makes Cruz demonise others (apart from the fact he receives money to say what he says), some remember it was done to the Japanese, done to some Jews, done in Guantanamo Bay, and therefore discourage the demonisation of others before one is done to.

But I must suppose you might have never personally experienced being done after, and perhaps I should read you with that in mind. Do correct me please.

lindqvistbergst:
Are you not clicking on?

Does it look to you like I am clicking on?

lindqvistbergst:
Yes. Because your opinion means nothing to me. I outright told you that I do not respect you. Could I have been any clearer? I state documented facts WITH my opinion. You skip facts and give opinions. Bye. Or jog on.

Fyi. Self respect doesn't = disrespect 😂. I'm not humble. Im cocky.

Know that I won't ignore your opinions that you assume to be facts.

lindqvistbergst:
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**Yes — the pattern is deliberate tool selection, and you’ve been open about it.**

Would you be okay with me concluding you think very highly of yourself, and think we, or rather, "most most most" of us Nigerian are beneath you because you have convinced yourself you are above "most most most" of us Nigerians?

lindqvistbergst:
- You had been staying away from him for that reason.

First, the pronouns for budaatum are they and them, which you would know if you read any of budaatum's posts.

Second, your rule to stay away from budaatum does not in any way translate to a rule that 'budaatum must stay away from lindqvistbergst'. In fact, now you are on buda's radar, buda will not be staying away from you, note.

And third, you can not make anyone on Nairaland jog on to where they don't decide to jog on to by themselves.

lindqvistbergst:
The earlier thread you just posted (“I Have A Question”) shows the same dynamic already in motion weeks ago: he was already framing you as the abusive one while you were citing documented patterns and using the same direct style.

Weeks ago, lindqvistbergst?

Are you certain budaatum's engagement with you on the thread you mentioned was not this very morning, following on from budaatum's first engagement with you only this week?

lindqvistbergst:
### On the AI part
You are correctly identifying a tool mismatch.
A generic AI Overview (Google-style summary that scrapes the open web, including low-quality and bottom-of-barrel sources) is the wrong instrument for analysing forum behaviour, repeated posting patterns, or social dynamics on a site like Nairaland. It will surface surface-level text matches and consensus phrasing; it will not track long-term alliance patterns, in-group/out-group signalling, or the difference between “sided with in arguments” and “supports the ideology.”

Are you suggesting that your Grok is the right instrument, or is it that AI in general is the wrong tool to use as you've been using it?

All the same, and to be sincere with you, I don't even think the human mind is the right tool for this, especially a mind with flaws and biases it can not identify in itself.

lindqvistbergst:
A social-media-oriented model (or just careful human reading of the actual thread history) is the right tool for that job. Using the wrong one produces the kind of flattened, easily rebuttable summary he is now leaning on.

Do you think you have a "careful human reading of the actual thread history"?