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Nairaland General › Re: Is The Earth A Slaveyard by budaatum: 9:56pm On Apr 29

DeepSight:
I just re-read!

Let me say that -

In response to -

None of these definitions are my understanding of what you define. Consistency for me means a type or a nature. Domicile of a spirit or immaterial being will mean the dimensions it acts in, is present in, influences. Dimension would mean any plane of reality.

Note I said "implies", while you are saying "means".

My imply should indicate that 'I subjectively infer', while your "mean" is less subjective.

We must read with spiritual eyes, Deep, to see and comprehend spiritual things, I'd think.

DeepSight:
Is it your expectation that the spirit is something that is visible to the physical eyes?

I have never ever seen a visible spirit with my physical eyes, but I must confess that I am semi blind.

Are your eyes better than mine, Deep, or do you look for spirits with your non-physical mind like I try to do?

Politics › Re: Tinubu Sacks NMDPRA Boss, Saidu Mohammed, Nominates Rabiu Umar by budaatum: 7:48pm On Apr 29

LagosOrigin:
We will sack tinubu in 2027 insha Allah . He has failed woefully in every aspect of the economy ..he's a disgrace .

As in, more than 75% of Nigerians who are registered to vote will vote in 2027?

Praise God insha Allah in Jesus Mighty Name Aleluya Amen

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Celebrities › Re: I Was Not Legally Married To Rosy Meurer - Olakunle Churchill by budaatum: 7:41pm On Apr 29

3seriez:
Tell me you're irresponsible without saying you're irresponsible.

What I heard was him saying he is irresponsible while being irresponsible.

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Politics › Re: Tinubu, The Biggest Failure In History, Doesn't Even Acknowledge Killings by budaatum: 7:32pm On Apr 29

Dogalmighty17:
The senile fossil that felt he was too big to attend the presidential debates? The same senile fossil that has held only 1 media chat since he brought his evil aura into the office of the president? He doesn't care one bit about Nigerians.

We Nigerians don't make our politicians care about us.

They'd care about us if we got off our lazy asses and voted them in or out!

Foreign Affairs › Re: Trump Portrait To Feature On U.S. Passports For 250th Independence Anniversary by budaatum: 7:29pm On Apr 29

NewHe:
Do that in Nigeria, una go dey abuse our leaders!

They know what's good for Nigeria, and secretly want USA to continue to destroy itself under dump.

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Politics › Re: A Teenager Gets Amputated For Disobeying Sharia Law In The North (graphic Video by budaatum: 10:47am On Apr 29

I have also written to the Emir of Kano and would appreciate if you all do too.

Sanusi.mm@gmail.com
lamidosanusiafrica@gmail.com

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Politics › Re: A Teenager Gets Amputated For Disobeying Sharia Law In The North (graphic Video by budaatum: 10:29am On Apr 29

SporaD8:
I'm aware the head of Muslim Ummah in Nigeria vehemently reject proposal by the USA to ban this barbarity in the name of Sharia!
The Learned and kind Yoruba Muslims you mentioned are seen as shirks as far as following Islamic injunctions are concerned!
When are you ever going to stop this hypocrisy and call a spade by it's proper name?

Then the head of Muslim Ummah in Nigeria is an ass, but that is no reason for me and "The Learned and kind Yoruba Muslims" to be quiet about it even if you think we are hypocrites.

Do kindly provide reference for your awareness please, it will be a useful bullet in my gun.

*Edit
Sorry, but I could not wait, and have written to ask him already. And would appreciate if you can write him too at sultanofsokoto@yahoo.co.uk

I'll let you know if he responds.

Politics › Re: A Teenager Gets Amputated For Disobeying Sharia Law In The North (graphic Video by budaatum: 10:25am On Apr 29

Buccalcavity2:
Fair enough. Advocacy/protest is good as stated earlier, esp from humanity angle. It is what you and i are doing, and should do.

Thank you. And may we learn to do better what we are doing so that we are more effective and achieve our goal.

Buccalcavity2:
Today, if "my" married muslim cousin from orolu is caught sleeping with a single guy in Kano, the punishment is death, so far 4 men can testify that they witnessed penetrate. It doesnt matter if the law is domiciled in orolu or not. The question is not if she's actually killed too, but should the code exist?

We have agreed that the code should not exist, but I guess here we are. Also, it does matter if the law is domiciled in orolu or not, because you can not apply hand cutting in Kano in the Orolu Kingdom for reason I have forementioned.

However, "my" married muslim cousin from orolu in Kano can always claim they are not a Muslim anymore, since the law applies to Muslims only and has no jurisdiction over non-Muslims, and I hope "my" married muslim cousin from orolu is smart enough to love their life more than they love their god or she will indeed be killed.

Buccalcavity2:
And who is effective to protest that if not my moderate muslim cousin because I'm waived as lacking "locus standi" to protest a law that "doesnt affect me" as a non-muslim. Thats why i wouldn't "speak for" my moderate cousin. I need to know her leanings. "She" is on this platform,for example, and very active but will not say pim coz "its a sensitive issue". U get my drift?

Yes, I get your drift, but I also think if "my" married muslim cousin from orolu were a Sharia practising Muslim, she shouldn't be sleeping with a married man at all knowing the consequence if caught, since her Muslim god commands she mustn't. But if she is willing to break that code, I'd think she should be willing to claim she is not a Muslim too and therefore not subject herself to Sharia law in Kano, at least until we can smuggle her out of Kano, wouldn't you think. She can always re-Muslim afterwards when she's safely back in Orolu where Sharia in Kano does most definitely not apply.

As for her "not say pim coz "its a sensitive issue"", that's her prerogative, and as far as it is not her that the law applies to she may still not say pim, but if it involves her, I am certain she would say a lot more than pim, and even beg us to locus standi and smuggle her out of Kano, I'd hope.

Regardless, what she does or does not say or do has no bearing on what I should or must do, since she may not reason like I do or I don't reason like she does. I assume locus standi to protest by virtue of having a brain and it being in my country Nigeria, please know. After all, those who helped us abolish the murder of twins and the selling of slaves could also be said to have lacked locus standi and assumed it anyway and we are better off for it, so why should my own assumption of locus be any less valid and effective if I put in the effort to standi and protest?

Buccalcavity2:
I also think it is beyond election. Its a structural/constitutional issue to the country.

The fact it is a constitutional issue is precisely what subjects it to our votes, Buccalcavity2, since our voting is what gives us the majority and power to change the constitution. Our campaigning during election may even help change the structure too, since we can use our campaign as education for change. But yes. It is beyond that, far beyond that in fact, and we must not deceive ourselves that our task is easy at all, because it most definitely isn't easy at all.

Buccalcavity2:
I can assure you that the agf (a moderate muslim) saw this news and will not prosecute offenders to set precedence, at least before constitutional change.

Then constitutional change is where we must start our fight by campaigning for and electing people who campaign for constitutional change, because the agf (a moderate muslim), has shown he can not do it alone.

Buccalcavity2:
Tunisia, Iran do not amputate... A number of islamic nations do. Should Nigeria do? Our current Sharia law permits it, although our constitution does not.
These, my friend, are the context of my hypocrisy.
I rest my case.

Nigeria shouldn't, and if Tunisia and Iran, both Muslim countries, do not, they are evidence that it might not be Islam that advocates amputation, but the form of ignorant Sharia that is practised in Nigeria where we do amputate. And that fills me with hope and the possibility that things can change if we do what is necessary to change it in Nigeria.

As for the context of your hypocrisy, forgive yourself please, though I'm certain you mean the hypocrisy of "my" married muslim cousin from orolu and other so called moderate Muslims who do not speak up against this.

P. S. I'm looking for evidence than a tweet for what happened here, as I have not yet found any. I don't like Trump, but I'm willing to use his big mouth in my protest but need more than a tweet to provoke him.

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Nairaland General › Re: Is The Earth A Slaveyard by budaatum: 9:21am On Apr 29

Kukutente23:
If I understand you, your claim is that the spirit/mind dies as soon as the body is dead.
Thus in your view, the body is superior to the mind and the mind is just one aspect of the body
Thus you still insist that your body is all what you're about

You are the one insisting on my behalf "that your body is all what you're about", Kukutente23, and please note that you continue to insist that despite my claim that I don't agree with what you insist. I would have you recognise that you are currently engaging with the mind of buda and you have no Idea of anything to do with the body of buda, which should inform you that the totality of buda must be more than the body of buda alone. I sure don't deceive myself to assume that the body of Kukutente23 is all that Kukutente23 is, note.

As for the "claim is that the spirit/mind dies as soon as the body is dead", that I would agree with, at least as far as the mind is concerned, since I am not aware of a dead corpse having brain activity or mind function. And I say that having spent a lot of time in hospitals watching people die and brain activity and mind function stopping, for I have never seen a dead person ask for food or cry out in pain or philosophise, yet.

What you are currently reading is a product of the activity of my brain and the functioning of my mind, which I am typing out with my fingers which are parts of my body. My brain can be active and my mind can function to produce thoughts in my head, but unless you can read my mind, my body, fingers, have to assist in producing the output you are reading or you'd have nothing to read from me unless you can read my mind.

Also, if I were to fall dead at this particular moment and before clicking submit, as in, if my body stops taking in oxygen before posting this, you will not have this particular post to read from me or respond to I would think, unless you are able to perform a seance and communicate with the dead.

And I guess if I were to be hit hard in the head with a harmer such as to be brain damaged before writing all this, my mind would not produce any of this despite my body being still in a living state if I don't die.

Essentially, I would not claim that "the body is superior to the mind", and nor would I say "the mind is just one aspect of the body", because both my body and my mind are what assist in my manifestation as the unique living being that I am who is typing this out for you to read. And though my body can continue to exist on life support after my brain has stopped functioning, that would not be the buda who produced what you have read so far, I can assure you, because buda, as in the totality of the personality that you are engaging with, is the inseparable functioning mind that is buda with the assistance of the inseparable body (brain and fingers, at least) of buda that constitute the totality that is buda. Come to think of it, if the body of buda were male and the mind of buda were the female or vice versa, "both male and female does buda equally exist", would apply.

Now, I have limited myself here to a duality of a body and a mind, but recognise that I mentioned a trinity and a quaternity too, being a student of Jung. And I am considering a Quinternity as a speculative possibility, but my jury is still out on that, I must confess.

Note too that after I have posted on Nairaland this manifestation of however many inseparable aspects of buda that I may or may not be and then died, my manifestation, as signified by this particular post, will not die or disappear with me even if my body be a rotting corpse and my mind cease to function, but will continue to exist (in sprit, dare I say), for as long as Nairaland exists, unless it is deleted of course.

You will forgive me for length and convolution please.

Nairaland General › Re: Is The Earth A Slaveyard by budaatum: 7:42am On Apr 29

Deepsight, remember these?

https://www.nairaland.com/6942843/matter-mind/33#115722474

https://www.nairaland.com/6942843/matter-mind/1#109463107

It's why I don't need to read the thread again.

Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 6:38am On Apr 29

IjeBos:
I'm sure all the MAGA here were enraged about the UK indicting people for social media posts.

They funny for sure.

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Politics › Re: Tinubu, The Biggest Failure In History, Doesn't Even Acknowledge Killings by budaatum: 5:57am On Apr 29

Meanwhile, about 9 million Nigerians voted for Tinubu and about 6.5 million voted for Atiku and 6.5 million voted for Obi out of the about 100 million Nigerians who were registered to vote, while about 75% were definitely not in their right senses enough to get off their lazy asses and vote at all.

My hope is that this horrible pain will make more of us vote next time or we deserve more suffer till we learn.

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Foreign Affairs › Re: Trump Portrait To Feature On U.S. Passports For 250th Independence Anniversary by budaatum: 5:42am On Apr 29

HacheNoire:
Most times, when I try to paint a look alike narration of Trump’s stupidity and foolishness, people do think it’s born out of a hate!

How does a leader put his picture on the national identity of a country? How do you explain reasons without sounding insane.

Never in the history of mankind has such happened, and coming from a president who ranks in top 3 with the LOWEST APPROVAL RATING since the existence of the USA.

Their is no greater foolishness…

You don't say, lol!

If I were a USAnian, I'd pay extra for a passport that hasn't got dump's image on it!

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Adverts › Re: List Of Reasons: So, Why Ask Why? by budaatum: 5:32am On Apr 29

Your link is inaccurate!

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Politics › Re: A Teenager Gets Amputated For Disobeying Sharia Law In The North (graphic Video by budaatum: 5:14am On Apr 29

Please know that to do the below you do not need to write long story.

Just quote this thread and ask if they condone or support this, for the first link. And for the second just posting the link will increase awareness of it.

budaatum:
Please don't just vent anger on Nairaland at this.

Write to every leader you know to ask them if this is acceptable.

I have written to the contact below adding a link to this thread, and would be grateful if you can start there and post others we should all write to.

https://statehouse.gov.ng/contact-us/

Thank you in advance for tending to this matter.

I have also written to here.

Culture › Re: Why Don't We Dress Like This Anymore? What Exactly Is Wrong With This Dressing? by budaatum: 5:08am On Apr 29

SpencerForbes:
Since you're the one making this about race, are you ready to stop using all the technology they’ve developed?

It goes both ways—haven’t you seen white people wearing Ankara or adopting our culture? Thinking we shouldn't embrace advancement is the same backward logic groups like Boko Haram use. The world is moving forward, and we should move with it.

If you’re so against 'white civilization and have a mind of your own,’ I’d expect you to be living in a mud house, completely off the grid.

I needed to make that red so it stands out and is not missed!

Culture › Re: Why Don't We Dress Like This Anymore? What Exactly Is Wrong With This Dressing? by budaatum: 5:05am On Apr 29

Kemetian:
DON'T BE RIDICULOUS. Of course I know we had thriving textile industries before colonial invasions.

I was simply responding to that dude that was talking off point.

So why are you suggesting we go and kill leopards to wear, I wonder?

You quoted me, so I presume you were talking to me when you said "Colonised hypocrites talking rubbish" for eating cow and not wearing leopard.

Politics › Re: A Teenager Gets Amputated For Disobeying Sharia Law In The North (graphic Video by budaatum: 4:50am On Apr 29

Buccalcavity2:
As for govt., an Ex-CJN declared this position as unconstitutional but governors still ratified these judgements without consequences.

This simply shows that Ex-CJN can not alone stop this, and that it is every Nigerians duty to not keep quiet and yell in protest until it is stopped in Nigeria.

And know that I am not under the illusion that stopping it is so simple. It's advocation is deep rooted, so its eradication will take a lot of effort by many speaking up. But the fight is against this backward sort of Sharia, note, and not against Islam, since it's a thing practised by, or actually upon the ignorant and the poor and oppressed only, as you'd never see them cut off the hands of a person who steals millions.

Politics › Re: A Teenager Gets Amputated For Disobeying Sharia Law In The North (graphic Video by budaatum: 4:40am On Apr 29

Buccalcavity2:
I never used the words shut up at you. And you you can check the difference btw keep quiet and shut up, if this conversation is still civil.
I appreciate your indignance and writing to govt. but i insist that you shouldnt defend muslims if you are not one, just thesame way you carefully didnt defend the govt.!
My point is that the punishment you saw up there is codified in Sharia, Maliki jurisprudence, as practiced by all 12 states in Nigeria today. It is not a crime to them! Much as I hate this action like you, SLS, Sultan, ex CJN Tanko, Ishaq Oloyede.... All Nigerian muslim (that's my context) agree to Sharia as in our penal code. Whats my proof? Nobody, as learned as they are or otherwise, has written or protested against this within the Penal Code! And many individual in southern Nigeria are advocating for Sharia.
As for govt., an Ex-CJN declare this position as unconstitutional but governors still ratified these judgements without consequences. Thats the context of my statement about hypocrisy amongst Nigerian muslims and govt.
My comment isnt intended for hate or to trigger you or anybody. It is just the fact. We shouldnt act shocked when we see the fruit of something/law we subtly allowed.

Telling me to "keep quiet" is telling me to shut up, and I respectfully decline to do either.

Second, I am not defending any Muslim or anyone. I am actually condemning what has been done here.

Third, there is already Sharia law in my Orolu Kingdom of Ifon Osun, but cutting off the hands of anyone for any reason has never been done there to my knowledge, and anyone who condones or cuts off anyone's hands like that for whatever reason would likely end up in jail if we Oroluans don't stone that person to death first! There are Sharia courts in UK too, I'm told, and no one is advocating the cutting of anyone's hands there neither. Because it may be codified as you claim, but most people have brains in their heads which they can use to uncodify such nonsense!

Fourth, there may indeed be some backward people advocating for that type of ignorant Sharia in my state, but I doubt they can impose the cutting of hands on anyone, not to talk of the Christians, and definitely not on those in my Kingdom who worship the Obatala we claim to have descended from. Thankfully, we are a democracy, so it's not like some few people can impose on us unless we refuse to participate in our democracy and vote against what we do not want and vote for what we do want, and I can assure you that even the Muslims in my own family and community would not vote for that rubbish, and the Christians definitely wouldn't, nor would just about anyone worth listening to, and no one is stupid enough even to campaign for our votes to do that.

As for your "Nobody, as learned as they are or otherwise, has written or protested against this within the Penal Code", I strongly believe that I should be the change I want to see instead of asking others to change for me, so instead of waiting for others to protest, I better start protesting myself, because my own opinion is that if I don't protest and wait for others to protest for me, it is like I am the one who cut that boys hands of myself. In which case, I should take my own self to the bottom of a river and bash my own stupid head in first before that of some god or anyone elses.

So I repeat, join me in protesting against this please by writing to those you think should oppose this. And more importantly, register to vote and vote for those who oppose this, because that is how we use our voice and democratic powers to make the changes we want to see in our society.

The below says "corrupt", but please read it as evil.

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Culture › Re: Why Don't We Dress Like This Anymore? What Exactly Is Wrong With This Dressing? by budaatum: 4:04am On Apr 29

Kemetian, for your information, my Yoruba forebears were making clothes from non-animal products long before the colonisers arrived, and the fact you think we where wearing animals until they arrived just shows how little you know and should go and educate yourself!

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Culture › Re: Why Don't We Dress Like This Anymore? What Exactly Is Wrong With This Dressing? by budaatum: 3:48am On Apr 29

KosiGee:
You opened this thread. Do you dress like that? Have you dressed like that before? If yes, what made you to stop?

Thank you for asking him. He'd hopefully respond with images of himself wearing that, and will also explain why he is using the language and technology of the coloniser to post on Nairaland that is run on coloniser technology.

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Culture › Re: Why Don't We Dress Like This Anymore? What Exactly Is Wrong With This Dressing? by budaatum: 3:44am On Apr 29

Kemetian:
Mr Humane that eats meat every day.

How is eating your SHAKI AND KPOMO AND COWFOOT AND BEEF more ''humane'' than wearing the same animal fur for body cover?

Colonised hypocrites talking rubbish.

I rear the cow and the goat that I eat for my "SHAKI AND KPOMO AND COWFOOT AND BEEF", and wear, since I do have one cow leather jacket, which is rather too expensive to wear that one every day. I do not however just go into the bush to kill a leopard because I want to wear it like those worn in the video you posted. And even if I did want to go in the bush to hunt the leopard so I can wear it, my forebears have already hunted them into extinction, so I should not just stupidly be hunting the few that are left in the name of decolonisation! And that's apart from the ignorance of not realising the leopard is worth far more to me alive than if I stupidly killed it!

Besides, I can bet top dollar that supposed non hypocrite you have never worn leopard skin in your entire life, and are likely wearing the clothe of the coloniser too, just as you are not using drums to communicate with me and are using the language and the tools and devices mostly created by the colonisers to communicate here, so here's looking at hypocrite you talking without your drums!

Also, do note that it is rude and barbarically backward and uncivilised to insult and call people names just because they disagree with you, and it is not colonisation that teaches one to be better, but just simple pure good manners that one learns from one's parents and society.

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Politics › Re: A Teenager Gets Amputated For Disobeying Sharia Law In The North (graphic Video by budaatum: 3:20am On Apr 29

Buccalcavity2:
The boy was not condemned based on feelings of a "few", "ignorant" muslims.
That boy was convicted by a Sharia court. A law/set of codes recognized by the state and embraced by ALL muslims!
So with due respect, keep quiet and let muslims speak.
This case study exposes the hypocrisy of "moderate muslims", who are my friends. And also hypocrisy of the Nigerian Government, which in one breath criminalizes this and in another permits it!

First, the Sharia court that does that stupidness to people is not "embraced by ALL muslims". Sharia courts and Muslims in my Osun State have never done that barbarity to anyone, and neither have Sharia courts in many states in Nigeria and Africa where Muslims live, so your "embraced by ALL muslims" is false.

Second, this is alleged to have been done in our Nigeria, so it is not only for Muslims to speak, but for all human beings who have a brain in their head to speak up against it.

The stupid Sharia court that did that to that boy is backward and ignorant and barbaric, and should be opposed and condemned by any rational thinking human being regardless of your religion to speak up against it, and telling me to shut up is asking me to condone it, and I am not that stupid to do as you command.

Now, please, write to every government official that you know to ask them if and why this barbarity is acceptable in our country Nigeria. And when election time comes please do not vote for any idiot who supports it. Because yours and my silence is like we cut that boys hands off ourselves!

If you fo not know who to write to, please start here.

Thank you in advance for your time and attention to this matter.

Politics › Re: A Teenager Gets Amputated For Disobeying Sharia Law In The North (graphic Video by budaatum: 11:03pm On Apr 28

LeeSmart:
Oga you don't have any muslim friend, you yourself na muslim you be. Why denying your religion?.

And you know this how, or you just less smart?

Computers › Re: Change Of GPU Type by budaatum: 10:36pm On Apr 28

harrend:
Please experts in the house, can my integrated GPU be converted to dedicated?

No, you can not "convert" an integrated GPU be to a dedicated GPU.

What you might be able to do is instal a dedicated GPU in your computer if it has PCI Express (PCIe) x16 slot on the motherboard.

Culture › Re: Why Don't We Dress Like This Anymore? What Exactly Is Wrong With This Dressing? by budaatum: 10:24pm On Apr 28

Like you've killed all the tigers and lions and can't wear their skins anymore, or you've become more humane and value the lions and tigers more than to kill the ones left to wear their skins?

Why do you think you don't dress like that no more?

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Nairaland General › Re: Is The Earth A Slaveyard by budaatum: 10:05pm On Apr 28

DeepSight:
I cant do that. That thread contains some of the most delicate and nuanced arguments. Thats all I can say.
LordReed, of course, remained ever the formidable co-discussant.

Good thing is, you have evolved since then and can hopefully present the cogent points here.

Mind, body, soul, etc is a thing most of us have discussed numerous times here on Nairaland, and here is in fact one related to near death experiences and my own opinion, but I wouldn't be sufficiently arrogant as to propose you dig through any of the numerous threads in which I have engaged on the subject when I can directly engage with you on said subject here.

Here, though, is a thread about subjectivity, a word that consideration of might benefit us both, though I'm certain to have evolved since then and might express myself much better.

Nairaland General › Re: Is The Earth A Slaveyard by budaatum: 9:45pm On Apr 28

DeepSight:
I honestly dont claim to be able to show or prove it to anyone. It is too subjective an experience.
Its almost like asking me to prove to you what I dreamt about last night.

It can never be proven.
Nonetheless, if I dreamt about apples, I dreamt about apples.

It would be true, it would be as obvious to me as air, because I experienced it.
But I can never, never, not in a thousand years, prove to anyone what I dreamt about.

This I perfectly understand, Deep. Though I might argue about the air bit.

If I dreamt of apples, I doubt I could convince you of anything about apples too. But then, I'd just say I dreamt of apples and be done with it, and not use my dreaming of apples to try to convince you of anything to do with apples, because, Spaghetti!

In fact, I dreamt last night that I sat between dump and our King Charles at a banquet and engaged both of them in conversation and was like a mediator, and it did seem as true or as valid as air. There were no apples, but a huge lobster was served me, but annoyingly I had to get up and pee before I could taste any of the damn thing, and I was angry I hadn't drunk any of the fine wine as I peed too.

Now, would you like to hear what we conversed about? I've forgotten, i confess, but I can make up lies to try to convince you my dream was as valid as air if I don't care what that would say about my personality going forward to a person like you whom I consider intelligent and deep.

It's to do with the words we use, deep. Air is so valid that I just need to suck all of it out of a room you are in to convince you of its validity, but I doubt that would work where my lobster and fine wine with dump and King Charles is concerned.

Do let me know if I am wrong though, for I assure you my lobster was as big as a cow, and dump was as obnoxious as ever though the King was his graceful self.

Nairaland General › Re: Is The Earth A Slaveyard by budaatum: 9:24pm On Apr 28

DeepSight:
Budaatum let me add that the thread on mind and matter is almost 40 pages strong and went into a lot of delicate arguments.
Reading the first few posts cannot give you a view of it.

It's a thread I have read some of in the past in order to research and see and get a view into your soul, Deep, and your assertion at the start, which you have continued here, convinces me it's 40 pages of what you are asserting here, which is why you are now presenting it here. But if you changed your mind after the first page, do please post a specific link to a post for me to read, as there's no way I'd go through 40 pages to read what you are still asserting here after those 40 pages!

Nairaland General › Re: Is The Earth A Slaveyard by budaatum: 9:14pm On Apr 28

DeepSight:
Well, as I said, I dont think its the sort of experience that one can convey or prove to another person.

And if you said it was what you thought or believed or even understood, I really wouldn't really ask you to prove it, but when you assert it as you do, expect Spaghetti, in order to flesh out your understanding.

Thing is, we know humans are more than our material bodies, and we loosely use words like spirit, soul, persona, and perhaps mind etc, to convey that aspect of us that we are uncertain about or just can not explain.

It is in fact the idea of the trinity, which is conveyed as father, son and holy spirit in Christianity, and some have even claimed there is a fourth aspect to make up a quaternity, which I would advise be explored (and note gender below). But claiming it is something that can be separated from the body or the person is, well, obvious only to those who can separate them, I guess.

Business › Re: Who Is Opposing Dangote’s Proposal To Build A 1.2M Barrels A Day Refinery In Eas by budaatum: 9:00pm On Apr 28

Flangelo12:
Source?

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Op copied this word for word from Reddit which gave no source!

https://www.reddit.com/r/WayOfTheBern/s/2m9uXR98LO

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Nairaland General › Re: Is The Earth A Slaveyard by budaatum: 8:52pm On Apr 28

DeepSight:
Save that you yourself have categorized your million pounds as imaginary.

Some things are experiential and cannot be proven to another person. Anyone who has had Out of Body Experiences, Near Death Experiences, astral travel, consistent prescient dreams and the like will know that there is an immaterial aspect to his or her being. Unfortunately each must experience these things for himself or herself.

I personally believe that it can be logically inferred as well, and i have tried several times to do so, but I can barely recall ever convincing anyone. Its just one of those things that has to be personally experienced.

Here is one of my attempts to prove that there is an intangible person beyond the physical body -

https://www.nairaland.com/1565324/person

But LordReed and I gave it a more thorough examination here -

https://www.nairaland.com/6942843/matter-mind

And my Lord Reed gave an apt response.

LordReed:
These are assertions you are yet to provide any evidence for. Can you provide any evidence there is a ghost in the machine? Simply stating it is not sufficient.

BTW I have identified, defined and located the self. It is all that makes you up as a human being both the seen and unseen aspects.

As I said, anyone can sit in their house and assert whatever is obvious to them, but as soon as you step out you house and assert it in public, your assertions are not selling unless evidence is presented for them, and you have provided none.

Also, notice my Lord Reed's "BTW". It is my personality and not my body that you find interesting, Deep, since you can not see under my skirt and bra! And it would be absurd to claim personality, which is a product of the development of the mind, does not exist, since even you can witness its manifested output.

Now, you may wish to separate my personality from my body or call something in me my spirit or soul or even mind, but I can only assert that it is a part of me which I have cultivated and developed just as I have cultivated the tuber like muscles on my legs. And if you manage to separate my personality from my body all you'll be left with is my dead corpse.

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