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Here's one from the Republicans

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nyQwP4lUeg
And for balance, here's one from the Democrats

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Q832Rdwdzo#menu

Abbeybailey:
Budaatum, like i said before, I am a proud Democrat and have been all my life. Have seen the ugliness of both sides with their political thuggery. Don't ever believe that democrats are the only one with that nonsense. 99.9 % of Skin heads are Republikkkans and there's a reason most of us carry weapons. I almost escaped being lynched in Cicero, a town outside of Chicago in my sophomore year in college with 6 of my college friends by skinheads supporting a White candidate against a Black candidate. The difference now is that most States have a Gun permit and i always pack whenever I leave my house because I know America very well and God forbids if I am going down, ain't gonna go down without a fight. We should all be against violence from all the parties.

The available evidence sure does not suggest that one side is more violent than the other. It would be like arguing that one side has more guns than the other. Even if youtube and anecdotal evidence suggests one side probably does, it would be dishonest to do so.

Martinez19:
If I ask budaatum to look this evidences on YouTube, will he? You are right I have watched all these videos. With the democrats, it's either you agree with them or they fight with you. Don't forget the liberal and democrat brainwashing on campuses in the USA and the persecution and pressure put on republican students. With them, hate speech is when you don't agree with them.

They have finished us with their progressive gender studies. Itchie, what's your gender pronoun?

I found evidence for violence on both sides, 19, which hardly implies I never checked! Or did you not find evidence for violence on both sides? Trump, it is alleged, even called for Hillary to be shot, according to some!

I would have argued you are usually way more objective than you are being here. Please allow me to continue holding that view of you.

Martinez19:
Unlike the religious folks, I don't insist that you believe in what I am saying and I wouldn't be bother if you don't believe what I am saying. I will complie the evidence, just give me time.

Thank you. Please, if you can, be balanced and drop links for violence on both sides.

Martinez19:
MOST working class Trump supporters were afraid of coming out in open because many of them risked being demeaned and some had it hard from losing their jobs to family cutting them off. Research this thing well.

When people ask us to provide evidence for gods, don't we both tell them to go suck on it? So why you now asking me to provide evidence to support your claims?

All the same, I did check, and I find they are equally as bad as one another, and only partisanship would make me claim otherwise barring evidence to the contrary, which if you have, provide please.

Abbeybailey:
It's not even Obama and Michelle being called monkey and all kind of ugly names. It's politics in America and we understand that because both sides are equally guilty. I can go back to Bill Clinton being accused of murder of Forster when he was the president in Whitewater scandal and all kind of investigations. Politics is dirty in America between the two parties and it goes from presidential politics all the way to local politics including school board politics.

This I agree with. Its the same with Nigerian an UK politics. One can even see evidence of the animosity on both sides on here, and I would not say if some people meet, they wouldn't be shooting at each other.

Politics, for some of us, understandably, is a life or death matter, and rightly so, though voting should be one's ultimate weapon.

KanwuliaMama:
Who is Atiku?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atiku_Abubakar

I am a Sai Bubu supporter. But the following makes me reconsider!


Upon the release of the dismal results of the May–June 2014 West African Examinations Council (WAEC) results, Abubakar said, in a statement:

″Our country’s educational institutions are clearly not providing quality learning. Our teachers need to be taught. This situation is a new development—of the past 10 years or so. The steady decline of education in Nigeria is a reflection of our country’s relegation of education to the background of national essentialities. That is where the change must begin. Teachers are important—as important as senators and doctors. Indeed, teachers determine the quality of senators and doctors. And so, the entire country stands to suffer the effects of this neglect in future. Nigeria must once again make education a priority. We must return to the basics.″

Martinez19:
Ah!

"Ah" as much as you like. I've checked. The facts seem to be that, both sides attacked each other, so neither side gets to play victim here if one were honest.

Martinez19:
When the democrat Obama won, did you see republicans going to the streets chanting "not my president"; setting things on fire and attacking Obama supporters? Did you see republicans spreading fake news like CNN and calling for the impeachment of Obama? Before Hillary and The Donald started their campaign, they both knew that they were both subject to the electoral system over which Hillary never complained and she said(and her fans supported her on that) that Donald Trump must agree to accept the result of the election no matter who wins. Why are they now complaining that Trump won? Is it double standard for them not to accept the result of the election?

In 2008, the republicans never burnt properties on the streets, they didn't call the impeachment of Obama and they patiently endured for the eight years of Obama's reign; they didn't protest and try to block people from attending Obama's inauguration, they never started a mini war like the democrats are doing today etc.

I do not seem to share your view about what Obama went through. There was so much fake news about Obama, it bordered on the absurd, and I'd go as far as claiming only Trump, in my lifetime, was more vilified than him. And Obama won the majority vote twice, I think. (Can I please be corrected if wrong, anyone?)

In fact, are you fakenewsing me, Martinez? I do not know of anyone attacking Trump supporters on any streets! I don't even think anyone would dare even! Trump supporters just don't sound like wimps who could easily be bullied!

Martinez19:
I agree with you. The electoral system is a mockery of democracy, even Trump said it himself many years back. BTW, if Hillary Clinton had won by losing the popular vote and winning the electoral vote, people won't be complaining but that doesn't change the fact that the electoral college is a mockery of democracy.

People won't be complaining if Hilary had lost the popular vote and won the electoral vote? I think you are very wrong there! I think people would have complained so much, and Trump would have too, that there might have been a mini war!

ednut1:
Democracy cannot take nigeria to the promise land

Bring back Abacha, right?

wirinet:
It seems you did not read the linked article. Sex and "sexual assault " especially by high school teens was popular culture then. Many popular high school comedy films portrayed and found "sexual assault " very entertaining. I can name many of such films we grew up on. Many musicians and musical lyrics in the 80s became very popular singing songs about sexual exploitation and harassment of girls. Such songs would not be accepted today.

Even here in Nigeria apart from wild parties, we had LITS (literary and debating society) events most Saturdays, where various students from all surrounding schools for academic and not so academic competitions. After the actual events, boys and girls get together for all sorts of wild fun.

Girls and boys getting "together for all sorts of wild fun" is not the same as sexual assault, and the depiction in films does not imply societal acceptance. There are many films about wars and non judicial killings, but I feel you would not bring them up as evidence of acceptance of these acts.

I did read the article, and the words that sprang to my mind were apologetic nonsense and an insult to one's intelligence, and I was surprised to find a woman wrote it! I doubt she would have taken that stance if she knew what she spoke of. She probably wasn't yet born in the 80s she writes about and can therefore not be an authority on the topic!

[url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+6%3A37-42&version=NIV]Luke 6:37-42[/url]

Kaizen is a Japanese word that means continually improving. By implication, however good one is today, by striving, one would be better tomorrow.

It is a common fault that people think they currently are the best they can be. But those who have lived long enough would know that there are quite a lot of times in the past when they thought they had arrived, only to eventually discover they were still on a journey.

I experience this mostly with books. There have been numerous times when on reading a particular book, it felt I had found the elixir of life, the holy grail, the philosophers stone, only to subsequently read another book that is much more holier, grailier, philosophical, stonier, elixirier and life affirming. Born againers might understand this by the fact that over time, they become born againier, as in born again again, and again and again and again.

Seeing the forest in one's own eyes takes some doing. It is much easier to look outwards at the speck in the eyes of others than to see into ones own eye, after all, you need a mirror. And who amongst us does not look into the mirror and ask, who's the most beautiful of all, and thereby see one's own beauty and not one's flaws?

The ability to see one's own errors is of immense benefit. While it is more likely one sees the good and the better in oneself, seeing the bad allows one to determine if one would like to improve and be better and evolve and be good.

It is for this reason that I implore you to disregard this 'judge not' rule where buda is concerned. For when you point out the forest in my eye, you give me the opportunity to reflect, consider, and decide to remove it so that I can clearly see and perhaps help you evolve and improve too.

By judging buda, you make buda budarer.

wirinet:
I was not making a case for rape (gang or otherwise) in the 80s, my point is many of the behaviours that is termed sexual assault was not considered as such then, especially among pop and high school culture.

Outright rape was still highly frowned upon.

And I am simply disagreeing with you, and stating that it was just much harder for women to come out and state what had happened to them, but are much bolder today.

In the past, most would claim it was the woman's fault that she was assaulted, and that she deserved it because she was scantily dressed, or was in the rapist's bedroom etc, excuses we are way more enlightened than to accept today.

Sexual assault has always been a negative thing and the fact that people kept quiet about it because of the unfavourable response they got if they reported it should not be seen as an acceptance of it. It was bad then and is bad now.

wirinet:
To further collaborate the teen attitude to sex in the 80s read this article;

I do not agree that teens in the 80s "drug girls at high school house parties where the girls were later “gang raped” anymore more than they are today. In fact, I'd say it happens more today than it did in the 80s if just for the fact that rape drugs are much more available today than they were in the 80s!

The only thing that's changed from the 80s is that women don't just keep quiet anymore and have become more vocal about it. “I was in high school in the 1980s. Gang rape was viewed as a horrible crime then, too.”

obixcel:
this thread has become known for weirdest insults Instead of normal civil discourse. At least I commend you for pointing it

Without taking sides, insult throwers are weak people with low intelligence. If they weren't, they would state their points intelligently and argue their position wisely, and even if the person they were responding to did not get it, they would understand that there are many more people reading what they have written who might have gotten it.

Insult throwers pander to their fellow insulters, an ignorant immature lot who argue their points sentimentality and get offended when their often silly position is not adopted. The wise and more mature would not stoop down into the muck with them, but would intelligently allow the insulter to bath in muck alone.

If one does not jump into the muck with insulters and stink like them, the insulter is more likely to notice they themselves are covered in stinky muck, and on seeing your unmucked person, detest their own muckiness sometimes, as happened to a person who recently decided insulting buda was the best way to put their point across. (I am still considering his case, but would appreciate if you like his apology to encourage him to behave unmuckily in the future please.)

As Americans would say, "be the change you want to see", if you can, I beg you all please. Those of us who come here have a lot to gain by being here but our gain is significantly reduced if we cannot see through the muck.

ifiokjohn:
Deal.
As long as apc does not come near my states

Please, where is your state. I need somewhere to send apc.

krendo:
Go and read the position of the law on protest then come back and correct yourself

The police IGP needs to respect our constitution

In Nigeria we have Freedom of assembly and of speech

The beauty of democracy is the right to protest for our right

You go and read the position of the law on protest and point out to us please where that it says you have the right to protest and do any of the following:

dainformant:
causing innocent people to scamper for safety, suddenly the unruly/violent protesters surge and rushed violently on the Policemen posted to ensure safety of the Force Headquarters premises, pushing and hitting the Policemen to forcefully enter the Force Headquarters to cause damage to Police equipment and Government properties.

charged the Police personnel who used minimum force and dispersed them.

damage and destroy Police equipment and Government properties

unprovoked and unwarranted attack on the personnel of the Nigeria Police Force and the Force Headquarters premises

Saraki and his thugs and miscreants need to respect the law!!

Justinah4real, when I run for President, I'll be offering tickets to heaven to anyone who votes for me. If there's anything Nigerians want more than electric, that certainly is what it is. It's called a loaf of bread. The smallest loaf you can think of. Crumbs even And until we Nigerians wake up and smell the roses, that's all we gonna keep getting. Lies! Or as someone else put it:

PDPGuy:
It's pure politics.

Abbeybailey:
Nov 6 will be the deciding factor of where America wants to go. Patiently waiting to cast my vote on Nov 6 and mine start by kicking out my Republicon Gov named Bruce Rauner.

Please think about me when you cast your vote. Maybe it would count as two. A win for Republicans would make me weep!

PDPGuy:
Senator Manchin is voting to confirm Kavanaugh because he is running for re-election in red state.

Any other reason he is advancing is pure BS. He should come out clean and admit it.

Next week, it's a change from Judge Kavanaugh to Justice Kavanaugh.

I would not be surprised.

Abbeybailey:
I don't know about Trump being good for the world but I know he's a very divisive man who's dividing America along racial lines.

He is very good! We humans don't only learn from good examples, we also learn from bad ones too, and Trump shows us the bad.

The first test is Nov6. If the gops aren't punished then it would be because we ain't learnt yet. And if Trump gets a second term, well......

Adakintroy:
The man is not fit for such high office by me. Politics aside. A No vote won't flinch me.

Even though I have reservation bringing up 36yr old event to wreck a mans life. Still a no vote.

I strongly agree with you, Senator Adakintroy. It's just that Senator buda does not have your moral fibre nor the desire to go shake off my cv and look for another job. I like this one way too much than to kill myself over kav and what he might or not have done 36 years ago. Even if I was there when he was doing it, I'm sorry, I can't remember!

EDOLUWA:
Are we in Banana Republic where citizen are caged and have no right to protest?

Protest properly and not like thugs and miscreants!

If Saraki had penned his opposition intelligently and published it where we all can read it, it would have much more effect than his reduction to the behaviour of a thug. He is a disgrace to the office he holds, and incompetent to boot!

wirinet:
The same way the US has interest in the Persian Gulf (US navy 5th fleet), the same way the US has interest in Niger (airforce drone based in Agadez), the same way the US showed interest in the Gulf of Guinea (they were refused a based here by the Obasanjo regime).

The US has numerous interests around the world.

I guess you wouldn't mind if Russia declares interest in Dallas then. Soon you'll be getting Putin Party of America. You just keep thinking the way you do.

Abbeybailey:
That I agree with you. Imagine Nigerians giving their inept leadership the kind of pressure we give our leadership in America, she will be a better country.

Exactly! So let us watch how its done so we too can learn! Trump is good for the world, whether one likes him or not.

bantudra:
arrest all of them and lock them up....

storming a police station....which type nonesense is that....??

Abi o! Or did Saraki not swear to uphold the Constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria when he became senator?

He should be tried and imprisoned if found guilty!

hisgrace090:
So apart from the senators all other Nigerians in that place are miscreants?

Is this why they treat us the way the do by seeing us as miscreants?

Its so bad.

Actually, they are treated as miscreants because that is exactly what they are!

Imagine! The third most powerful person in the nation resorts to thuggery! Does he not know the power his office gives him? He can instigate a senate enquiry and publish the results for Nigerians to decide, but instead he behaves like a shameless thug!

Abbeybailey:
Yes and i never stop them from exercising their 1st Amendment rights.l They know the inner workings of America more than Americans while they neglect Nigeria.

We are not neglecting Nigeria! Nigeria is a baby when it comes to democracy, and who best to learn from than the nation who's political system we have adopted?

Adakintroy:
Lol...another yes then.

Unfortunately, though no, is the correct, unselfish, nonpartisan and proper vote. But I guess if I were Republican, correct, unselfish, nonpartisan and proper wouldn't count. If I vote against party lines, I'm certain I'd best be advised to have a different job lined up come Nov6 as my own party would campaign against me.

Just imagine the "traitor Senator buda" tweet from potus! It would likely win most read tweet award and I might have to move to China, as Mexico and Canada can't be far away enough from those who would likely shoot me.

stanech:
The us surfered greatly under obama thats what trump is trying to fix

Personally, I think only those born after 2007 who aren't aware of the dire state the entire world was in would believe this. Just as it's naive to give credit for the economic state that America is in today to Trump in my opinion. If such people were farmers, they'd be putting seeds in the ground tomorrow for the harvest they reaped yesterday.