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vaxx:
I know when to say stop.

You do? Then say "stop" to vaxx and let's see!

vaxx:
The vaxx library is luck till further notice.

"Lucky" vaxx library.

The buda library is never locked so you are in luck.

vaxx:
You talk way more of somebody in pains and emotional setback rather than seeing what We do here as an act of of socialization ..... You take things too far bro.

No, here is not a place for "socialization" vaxx. It is a place for learning. If you want to socialise, you may want to try Facebook!

Disregard the evidence in front of you and continue deluding yourself, vaxx.

vaxx:
Established ignorance on display, eat they will say I am incapable, feed them , they will say, I can do that myself "" What do you to such a ballon head"". Regard them as a basket case.......


Even your atheist brethren knows you have gotten much from vaxx library, may luck that opportunity from now.

vaxx:
Even before clinical research, auto cash are payed and some hospital even insured you should be incase it goes opposite.

See yourself? You make it sound like "automatic cash" is paid to people participating in clinical trials, when the thread of discussion would make anyone think you actually meant to write "automobile crash". But trust you to be unclear so you have wriggle room. Even "automatic cash" would be a misstatement though clinical trial participants are compensated for their participation.

No clinical trial pays anyone for an unrelated automobile crash, vaxx, and dying in an unrelated automobile crash is not a side effect of a clinical trial, per se.

It's not your writing that is being challenged here vaxx, so stop with the strawman and whining.

The facts are that religious belief and faith in the unverified have no place in science which relies on verifiable evidence. And quite a lot of people live their lives on what they know as opposed to what they believe, regardless of how much faith or confidence underpins such beliefs.

There is one thing believing what has been verified, but if you believe with no evidence to support your belief, you just wouldn't get very far at all. You believing without supporting evidence as religious people often do, and let's see how much of you gets to the other side of a busy road!

Do note, I don't really bother responding to you for your benefit. I'm just not going to let you shove your crap down people's throat without saying you are crap whenever you are.

As to who's mouth is foul, you might think people would just believe you because you say so, but the evidence exists for the unmissable truth to be verified.

vaxx:
Your foul mouth is not a measurement of intelligence, it is just a coward display to tell the world ""that I am lost of words, so let me attack his personality"" articulated hand writing doesn't necessarily mean that the person is intelligent even from within and outside . The way we form alphabets is a reflection of what we are. Psychologist prove it.

Inteligent people are humans and have other characteristics. For instance, a brilliant person can be extremely extrovert or unorganised.The handwriting will reflect that but an untrained eye like that of yours won't be able to get it.

In essence , What I am trying to say is - Don't judge a book by its cover. It is ignorant.

That is just by the way, now to what you disagree, which I says you misunderstood.Believing is not "wishful thinking," nor "hoping something might be true," nor "to speculate without data." That is not the definition of the word believe.

To believe means to have confidence in the truth of a matter. And if you consider this unimportant ( thoroughly search the Google engine for deeper ezplanation.

According to Dictionary dot com:

believe [bih-leev] verb (used without object), believed, believing.

1. to have confidence in the truth, the existence, or the reliability of something, although without absolute proof that one is right in doing so: Only if one believes in something can one act purposefully.

verb (used with object), believed, believing.

2. to have confidence or faith in the truth of (a positive assertion, story, etc.); give credence to.

3. to have confidence in the assertions of (a person).

4. to have a conviction that (a person or thing) is, has been, or will be engaged in a given action or involved in a given situation:

And likewise, there is no such thing as "blind belief" some might charge others of having. Because that does not fit the definition of belief, According to Dictionary dot com. It is the confidence of the truth of the matter.

One who is confident something is true, has essentially the same actions as one who knows.

Therefore nobody lives their lives as if the things they know and the things they believe are different. is "confidence in the truth of a matter."

One who is confident something is true, has essentially the same actions as one who knows, even though technically, knowing is stronger than believing.

Therefore nobody lives their lives as if the things they know and the things they believe are different.


And noted whenever you ignorantly accused me of bad writing , I shall refer you to this page. To open up your fallacy.

LordReed:
Shrine of the Wise Showerhead. LMFAO!

Wouldn't that be funny. O Showerhead, blessed art though among gods. Yet most gods are no different to my showerhead with which I had a fifteen minute argument. It was a profound revelation about my nature too, which when the showerhead made me realise, changed my life in such a way that it wouldn't be wrong to claim the showerhead saved me. Eventually, I didn't even need to be in the shower for its head to minister the to me as it seemed to follow me everywhere I went and be full of knowledge and wisdom too.

I tell you that if I it wouldn't have been wrong to have worshipped that showerhead. It at least communicated with me directly.

MuttleyLaff:
because whatever that anything is, is worth the worship

It's interesting that budaatum,
toyed with the idea that the shrine of the tortoise or bottle is worthy of worship cos of "beliefs" but then throws up in disgust at the thought.
He does concede though, that, if its a matter of, he got some profound understanding from them, then it likely will propel him to worship them

Profound, but mistaken. My showerhead once told me I was a perfectionist but since I was not perfect yet, I wouldn't do anything. I argued with it, but on realising what was meant and how profound showerhead was being, I freed myself from perfectionism, but I did not then start worshipping the profound showerhead!

LordReed:
Why does anything need worship?

Nothing needs worship. Anything that claims to need worshipping is worshipped because of the anthropomorphism of that which is worshipped or a complete lack of understanding.

vaxx:
how Ever you characterise your believe , yet you still could not know without believe. And great mind like Newton understand this concept except you Buddha. faith and belief = produced by a reliable mechanism equals to knowledge . So belief is more important, even knowing contains the word belief in it.

I have demonstrate this evidence in many of my thread. Yet you still misunderstood it.

I don't misunderstand you, vaxx. Despite your bad writing, your view that science is based on "faith and belief", is still clear enough.

And I'm saying, your view is false, and I categorically disagree that science is based on "faith and belief".

Or do you just not know the difference between "not understanding" and "not agreeing"?

Gratefulheart01:
Since you fabricated this whole entire world and galaxies and you're the one in charge of all life, and you also know everything about everything. Then, like you stated, using the word 'believe or not believe' to someone like you would really seem lame and illogical. Rather you really 'know' that there is no God since you have evidence of all things. I get you perfectly well.

So, if one does not "believe", it must be because "one fabricated this whole entire world and galaxies and you're the one in charge of all life, and you also know everything about everything"?

And there was I thinking we were talking about gods, a subject in its own right, with tones of research, which anyone with bother can check for oneself so one does not have to merely believe, which the devil too does by the way, so where's the merit in believing, either way, instead of actually knowing?

The mere fact that a person "believes" that God exists, is evidence that God is a figment of the imagination of those who create gods. Zeus, to name one, was treated with the exact same accord as Yahweh, yet today, we rightly place Zeus where he rightly should be.

If I were to worship a god, it would be because I am absolutely certain that god exists. I would not insult my god by saying I "believe"! I would "know" my god exists and say so!

Funny enough, the end of that research in order to know, for some, is to actually claim that there are gods. Those who have bothered to check and know cannot but make themselves lords over those who know nothing. Compassion alone would make one do so, if not the emoluments of being g.o. You would not believe the number of pastors someone like me would sit down, reason and agree with - bar the actual existence of gods - once one understands the religious way of using words.

vaxx:
This continue to work all time, so long science exist, trial and test will continue regardless of existing conclusion. And whatever it is the current result of yesterday will only be base on existing belief or faith tomorrow. Science is rested on faith to formulate and come into conclusion. Newton was making lot of sense before Albert Einesten came to modify it.

Yet Newton was not basing his conclusions on "belief and faith", but on the evidence before him and his understanding of it, which he was able to present and have reviewed by others. To claim science is based on "faith and belief" is a clear misunderstanding of science.

LordReed:
On the same level except of course it has now been incorporated into the lives and daily routine of the believers. Imagine genuflecting before the shrine of the blessed tortoise that beat the hare in a race or before a bottle that is said to contain a genie.

It would be odd, but genuflecting is not the only form of worship (we have included 'belief'). I may have some beliefs that make the shrine of the tortoise or bottle that makes me worship them (yuk!). Say, I got some profound understanding from them, that could do it.

Gratefulheart01:
Because as an atheist, if you say you believe God doesn't exist, such belief is based on 100% falsehood. Nobody on earth, before, now or in the future can say or prove in any TANGIBLE WAY that God doesn't exist.

I agree. A pure atheist who believes God doesn't exist is illogical. A pure atheist should not believe, gods exist or not, not to speak believe falsehoods. To chose to believe or not believe that a thing exists without bothering to find out either way, is illogical. A pure atheist, (I hate the term by the way) would rather 'know', so would have searched diligently.

Your claim that one can not know just makes one wonder what it is that believers are worshipping.

LordReed:
I don't know how you can read the above that yourself posted and say belief does not define religion. If there is no shared conviction or communal faith then that thing is not a religion. Football is not a religion because it lacks the component of belief.

Take meaning from what you posted and apply it to my reply, I think you will understand it that way.

I have accepted your definition, though I think its rather simplistic. My research however collaborates what you say, so I concede that point and have shown examples that agree with you.

Now, how about it all being fake? Is it any faker than Aesop Fables perhaps or Arabian Nights?

Have you heard of preppers? There also called survivalists, who practise survivalism. It is based on beliefs, as you say, despite not having a deity, I would call it religion. I'd also say Scientology is a religion, as is Pastafarianism if taken seriously. I've recently decided to become a pastor myself, of atheism, without a deity, but religionised all the same.

It's why I ask, why is all religion fake?

HappyPagan:
Another (the Nigerian Pentecostal context), means to be docile, to manage circumstances, to not question authority.

Jesus was not docile, except when he was led to the cross; indeed one must manage circumstances, and Jesus always questioned authority. The ones you hear may have said it wrong I'd have you consider.

HappyPagan:
There is one that means 'to mirror Christ's examples and preaching'.

Were his examples and teachings bad? Is it bad to mirror Christ and be bold and not docile, to manage any circumstance and question authority?

HappyPagan:
Another (the Nigerian Pentecostal context), means to be docile, to manage circumstances, to not question authority.

Jesus was not docile, except when he was led to the cross; indeed one must manage circumstances, and Jesus always questioned authority. The ones you hear may have said it wrong I'd have you consider.

HappyPagan:
There is one that means 'to mirror Christ's examples and preaching'.

Were his examples and teachings bad? Is it bad to mirror Christ and be bold and not docile, to manage any circumstance and question authority?

That was hasty.

So, what is a 'Christ mind'?

HappyPagan:
I'm ready.

What for?

LordReed:
Is tennis religion? Is football religion? Even the definition you posted has belief in it as one of the key components so I am not sure why you are nitpicking.

Tennis can be religion. Football very well is religion for some, in my opinion. They both can be based on and or involve beliefs. But belief being a component does not necessarily define religion, as you claimed.

P.s. I am nitpicking to flesh out understanding and feel you can assist with so doing. Please don't mistake it for arguing.

MuttleyLaff:
You made a request by saying:
If I have wrongly accused you of pie in the skying, I would gladly be corrected.
But please to the point, and without rambling, just so my tiny head can get around it.
and that is exactly what I did, kept it short and simple

asked you how you came to that conclusion and your response was to accuse me of inviting you to argue!

LordReed:
So from what does religion arise from?

Practise perhaps, repetition, code of behaviour, set of doctrines, stories, myths, ritual etc.

Religion is a word which refers to approaches to human spirituality which usually encompass a set of narratives, symbols, beliefs and practices, often with a supernatural or transcendent quality, which give meaning to the practitioner's experiences of life through reference to a higher power or truth. It may be expressed through prayer, ritual, meditation, music and art, among other things. It may focus on specific supernatural, metaphysical, and moral claims about reality (the cosmos and human nature) which may yield a set of religious laws, ethics, and a particular lifestyle. Religion also encompasses ancestral or cultural traditions, writings, history, and mythology, as well as personal faith and religious experience. The term "religion" refers to both the personal practices related to communal faith and to group rituals and communication stemming from shared conviction.

LordReed:
Religion arises because of belief does it not?

I don't think so. "Religion" sure isn't "belief", least not as far as I know.

MuttleyLaff:
Remember, Jesus using Woman, to call Mary, His mother
and I once typed, it was Jesus talking to the Eve in Mary when He called her Woman,
but budaatum flew off the handle at that then comment I made
https://www.nairaland.com/4636184/mary-not-mother-god/13#71348868

And you never provided any evidence nor reason for making that assertion, and now you state it as if you had and its true!?

LordReed:
It's all "fake" for 2 reasons:

1. Beliefs may be sincerely held but being based on unproven, untestable, lack of readily available evidence, they are built on very faulty foundations.

2. Given 1 above one must still allow that there is diminishing possibility that a god exists and wants to be worshipped in all the peculiar ways men have devised.

I do not think this answers my question, Lord! I did not ask about 'belief', or "god", or "worship".

How is all religion "fake"?

transformed:
Shame on Osun, see profile of contestants in Oyo state

Why shame? Its not as if we are much richer than Ibadan you know! So why should so many crooks rush us?

Profile, my word!

JeromeBlack:
They are all fake. Until I see a pastor that truly loves for the masses, I will continue to say that they are faje

For research into my new profession, what would you need to see to accept that a "pastor truly loves the masses"?

LordReed:
Yes there are sincere pastors but they are sincerely "fake" because all religion is "fake".

How is all religion "fake"?

JeromeBlack:
You should also be able to see that one profession is more criminal than the other

Ahhh, who cares!? It's not as if they putting their dirty fingers in our pockets, na we empty our purses in their hands on our knees begging them to take it please, even!

Gave me laugh you did, but I swear to god, only fools don't become pastors!

tintingz:
So why is that the church Lincoln and his family went to oppose slavery, hope you know slavery was well practiced in the church generally?

It does not seem it was practised in the Church Lincoln's parents took him to. Maybe they reasoned it by themselves, or their g.o. did and taught his congregation to oppose slavery too.

What you reckon?

TATIME:
It's even good for our health when we say the truth because there is always psychological problems associated with infidelity and lying is the root cause of it!

Apart from the fact that whenever I lie I unconsciously claim "I am an inferior person and need to hide".

My god forbid such things!