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Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Democrats Take Control Of Congress by budaatum: 2:17am On Oct 09, 2018
Martinez19:
Haba. Republicans and Democrats have bad sides but the Democrats are far worse and more wicked. I can't put in the right perspective. If you can read the list(which I gave you) of persecutions by democrats and liberals on republican officials and their shameless, cruel and wicked scheme against Brett Kavanaugh then I am disappointed. I am surprised that you have fallen for the fake news propaganda that always fit the democratic and liberal narrative, Chai!. I repeat, the republicans and democrat are not equally or almost bad, the democrats are way way way worse and devilish. They are wickedly greedy and lustful for power no matter who is at the receiving end. SMH.
I can't say who is worse, just that from what I see, I can't honestly claim one side is worse than the other, and that includes "wicked, greedy and lustful for power". It would be like arguing pdp is better than apc when in truth they are no less "wicked, greedy and lustful for power" than one another!
Christianity Etc › Re: Christ Mind by budaatum: 2:08am On Oct 09, 2018
MuttleyLaff:
Is it vaxx, now, who is a "pussy"
You don't have to open your mouth all the time. Sometimes, just shut up.

And yes, I am kicking your butt! angry
Christianity Etc › Re: Christ Mind by budaatum: 11:41pm On Oct 08, 2018
MuttleyLaff:
I didnt even go beyond.
Just read his comment, and thought to myself,
if this guy is familiar with Mamalawo's work on Orunmila, he wouldnt be saying that Orunmila isnt a philosopher
Well, next time you wanna start telling me vaxx is a "pussy", you might wanna read some first!
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Democrats Take Control Of Congress by budaatum: 11:39pm On Oct 08, 2018
Martinez19:
I should be the one reporting you but I am being lenient. Due to the left's hatred for Trump and their fake news propaganda, they always try to paint Trump in a bad light or discredit him. Didn't Obama say prior to Trump's inauguration that he SEES NO WAY the economy would be fixed under Trump? Didn't he? The idea that it's Obama's seed that is germinating is a leftist narrative. The leftist narrative has two goals towards Trump : 1) paint Trump in a bad light and 2) discredit Trump. Even the ObamaCare was a failure.

Didn't the left say that the economy will crash under Trump? Didn't the left say that Trump won't be able to handle the nuclear button and would start a nuclear war with North Korea? Didn't they try to paint Trump as a crazy lunatic not fit for office? Didn't you see their disgraceful circus with Kavanaugh just because he was nominated by The Donald grin ? Come on budaatum, I expected more from you. Didn't you see the way Trump's disapproval of the open border policy and illegal immigration was twisted to make it look like it hated non-Americans? Haba!
Didn't the Republicans say and do similar things to the Democrat's candidates?

I seriously cannot understand how you could possibly deny this, or are both sides not as bad as each other? Just looking through this thread is surely enough to show both sides have assholes, least as far as I can see, and I think only a person with skin in the game would deny this. Go read the comments on Breitbart if you need more evidence. And I tell you, they are more moderate these days since whathisname departed.
Christianity Etc › Re: Christ Mind by budaatum: 11:20pm On Oct 08, 2018
MuttleyLaff:
I can bet my bottom dollar you're arent familiar with Professor Sophie 'Bosede Oluwole also known as Mamalawo
I also doubt you're conversant with her works
or have read any of her books, especially the one titled "Socrates and Ọ̀rúnmìlà: Two Patron Saint of Classical Philosophy"
It's good to doubt. You owe me your bottom dollar, MuttleyLaff.
budaatum:
Socrates and Orunmila… Putting Premium On Africa’s Indigenous Philosophy


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nrrpo4mxFkI
Christianity Etc › Re: Christ Mind by budaatum: 11:18pm On Oct 08, 2018
vaxx:
That is not the goal initially. The Bible expressed itself already. ( love your neighbour as yourself) i think this verse interprets itself without any form of ambiguity. Subjectivity is just simply based on human desire in this category and not the scope. I will agree that many bible apologetic have a penchant for isigesis (reading into the text) as opposed to proper exegesis (a critical explanation or interpretation of a text.
That wasn't too hard was it? By god, you are hard work!

Now go back and read where you first used the word and tell me if those you referred to are as objective as you implied.

Does just about everyone, especially the religious, not do more eisegesis, which is subjective, and claim they have objectively exegesised?
Christianity Etc › Re: Christ Mind by budaatum: 7:53pm On Oct 08, 2018
vaxx:
Once the goal of defending a particular theological position replaces that goal of objectivity, biblical interpretation becomes a matter of pitting my theological prejudice against yours and it is done to favour desire and not the scope ( this is definitely subjective ). So i belief it is this approach that is causing the biggest challengies in church today.

This is why some people called the entire theology diciplne pseudoscience just like like how social science is consider soft science because of this subjective nature.
So, even exegesising can, and often is, pure subjectivity, right?
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Democrats Take Control Of Congress by budaatum: 7:40pm On Oct 08, 2018
Martinez19:
You didn't counter anything. Since Trump came in, unemployment has been at an all time low. I know you will try to credit this to Obama as a lot of deluded democrats dishonestly like to do but mind you that even Obama said that with Trump, he sees no way the economy is going to be fixed under Trump.
So, it is not the fruit of the tree that Obama planted that you now credit to Trump, and Trump just arrived and everything fixed?

Martinez19, I know you to be smarter than you are being here. I'm going to go report you to our peers. We do not behave this way! We accuse those who do as being immoral liars, silly and religiously blind to the truth!
Christianity Etc › Re: Christ Mind by budaatum: 7:31pm On Oct 08, 2018
vaxx:
I have explain it in details. And when I say they do not always arrive at the same conclusion. It simply means there are diffrence perspective from personal interpretation or independent body.


Catholic understanding of bible is different from Anglican. .
Vaxx, are you admitting that while one may claim one is exegesising, objectively, one may in truth be being subjective, and even eisegetic?


Are "different perspective" and "personal interpretation" not both subjective?
Christianity Etc › Re: Christ Mind by budaatum: 7:12pm On Oct 08, 2018
vaxx:
This two things are objective method and that is the scientific study of the gospel. (Some say pseudoscience anyway)because they do not always arrive at the same conclusion.


Therefore exegesis is basically the same method but may arrive at different interpretation.
Are you avoiding answering the question, or did you not understand it?

Can you point out references to "personal interpretations" (and thereby, subjective) in your statement?
Christianity Etc › Re: Christ Mind by budaatum: 4:04pm On Oct 08, 2018
vaxx:
Based on my own findings , the exegesis are based on two things and that is all what interpretation of Scripture depends: which is the process of discovering what is needed to learn, and the process of presenting what have been learned.
Can you point out references to "personal interpretations" in the above statement?
Christianity Etc › Re: The Problem With Moderate Atheists by budaatum: 2:06pm On Oct 08, 2018
vaxx:
budaatum, I tender my apology in the hope that it will be accepted... , I am sorry ......
Politics › Re: Atiku Set His Mind Not For Any Good – Obasanjo by budaatum: 1:06pm On Oct 08, 2018
CROWNWEALTH019:
Market buhari to me and give reasons why I should vote for him
D fact dat im no gre u loot is enuf!

Please don't vote for Buhari. Your sort will only tarnish him.
Politics › Re: Atiku Set His Mind Not For Any Good – Obasanjo by budaatum: 1:04pm On Oct 08, 2018
CROWNWEALTH019:
Suddenly our future president is now corrupt grin


If corruption they put food for my table I go vote corruption
It is because of people who think like you do that Sai my bubu 2019!

Thankfully, Atiku is not running against APC as the infighting in PDP seems enough to defeat him.
Christianity Etc › Re: Re-marriage When Ones Spouse Is Still Alive.. by budaatum: 12:39pm On Oct 08, 2018
Ghostmode2two:
my friend you can re-marry if divorced certificate is issued and the reason for for dissolving is adultery.
Do you think you need to reveal this to him? I hope he never divorces, but if perchance he happens to have the misfortune to, let him not remarry, because the Bible told him not to.

The same Bible 'tells' them so many other things they shouldn't or should do which they do or don't do all the time, but they wanna come on here and claim they righteously follow what the Bible 'says' they should or shouldn't do! 'Righteous hypocrite', is the best description of some.
Christianity Etc › Re: Atiku: Tunde Bakare's Prophecy About Messiah From Adamawa In 2002 by budaatum: 10:56am On Oct 08, 2018
FarahAideed:
Trust me he will surprise us all .. I have seen the way he handles his personal business and relationships
Trust you? You are his chief financial officer, or at least a manager in his company?

Please tell, why should you be trusted?
Christianity Etc › Re: Atiku: Tunde Bakare's Prophecy About Messiah From Adamawa In 2002 by budaatum: 10:45am On Oct 08, 2018
SternProphet:
The worst that happens is Buhari retires from office but keeps political power, brings a young dynamic guy to replace himself and uses his power to make him win elections.
And hopefully, he will do this by his second term.

budaatum:
Why Buhari Must Have A Second Term

Some of us think things happen randomly. Come over to the Regs section and you'd soon read 'so, did humans become by chance?'

Integrity, is one question people cast about when accessing Buhari. I read a lot about his so called corruption. Yet, I say, Buhari is the president or head of state of Nigeria, bar Murtala perhaps, with the most integrity that Nigeria has had in my lifetime! For comparison, Shagari was ineptitude that became a free for all, GEJ was, "na we de dere and na we go de dere forever so make we chop", and Abacha was, "I'm gonna live forever so let me take as much of it as possible and make it mine". Sai bubu is, "come on guys, stop this stealing". As a message, it is mighty enough for me, considering, so Sai my bubu second term, indeed!

Some of you actually believe it is God that freed the Israelites from captivity and struck down Abacha, yet you cannot fathom that God could possibly have chosen a Buhari to rule over you because he is most merciful and wise. Buhari has been around a long while so he knows the forces that stop Nigeria developing and the magnitude of the job to wrestle it out of their hands. To imagine freeing Nigeria from its Egyptian Captivity would take one single term is stupid and ignorant and shut up even, for you know absolutely nothing of that which you speak of, forgive my outburst. Ten plagues it took for the Israelites to be released from their's and you expect no pain for Nigerians emancipation?! In Yoruba we'd say, you think its oju la san; not many argue that Buhari is facing powers and principalities.

Buhari has shown how resolute he is. Little to say, not swayed by sentiment, and thoughtful before acting because he knows he can put his foot in mouth, yet, the likes who's enemies, opposed to his actions, cower fearfully at his feet. Okay, so no one is particularly fearful of Buhari, but you can't say that those who ought to be aren't threading much more carefully than they would have done! Just look at that Jagbajantist Jaguda. Would his swagger not be more if Buhari were not President? I think his swagger would be a hundred fold more and that of many like him in thousands too, so sai my bubu Buhari for me not having to continously moan about Jagaban's robbery in my face all the time. The eighties Buhari would have thrown his ass in jail for two hundred years, but I'm glad he has transformed more into a President, as opposed to a dictator, which is more his bent.

People used to say, "whether na my money or somebody else's money, God don't make me lack either". That is like saying "God, bless this thief I am about to steal"! The fact is, if you have less money power under Buhari than under GEJ, you probably hate Buhari, but as my bubu once said, you are a lazy Nigerian and should starve if you are waiting for manna from heaven! The pharaohic looting of Nigeria's wealth under GEJ is just not compatible with Nigeria's progress.

Buhari goes before that Pharaoh that stops Nigerians developing, and lacking the arrogance to assume "I, Buhari can do it alone", beside him stands Osinbajo, the wisest, most capable, most integrous (is that a word even?) Vice President Nigeria has ever had, like an Aaron besides Moses stands he beside my bubu, and you are not saying "Sai Bubu Almighty", even, oh ye of dim wit who see no further than the nose. Or will it not be that sai bubu's second term, him frail and ill, the young and energetic and full of Spirit Osinbajo would rule Nigeria like an Anointed, and doing so well as VP and for a first term, and for a second term as President Osinbajo trampling on enemies of Nigeria who will all fall by 2031!

The non-lazy Nigerians, those who want progress for our most illustrious nation, if not exactly this very day, but the not too distant future, realise that it's not only Buhari who will carry cross for Nigeria, but everyone of us. And the very beginning of the unfolding of that is, Sai my bubu, the cattle herder from Daura!

O, isn't he all so Abrahamic, my bubu!
Christianity Etc › Re: Christ Mind by budaatum: 10:29am On Oct 08, 2018
vaxx:
Exegesis focus is to arrive at objectivity and any form of personal interpretation is highly discarded.
And in your own experience, would you say people who claim to exegesise discard personal interpretation?
Politics › Re: 2019: Atiku Chooses Senator Bruce As Running Mate by budaatum: 12:51am On Oct 08, 2018
kennygee:
This doesn't sound like it's true.
Of course its most likely not!

"A source close to Mr Atiku who do not want his name published" !
Politics › Re: ABUBAKAR ATIKU 2019! Facts And Myths. by budaatum: 12:19am On Oct 08, 2018
KanwuliaMama:
Atiku always makes SOUND SENSE!
You will never find him associated with violence or agberoism! grin
Saraki, for one, can't be his vp then, damn. grin
Christianity Etc › Re: Re-marriage When Ones Spouse Is Still Alive.. by budaatum: 12:17am On Oct 08, 2018
OneJ:
Jesus himself approved divorce & the scriptures endorsed remarriage when your former spouse is alive.
"If the unbeliever leaves, let him do so. A believing man or woman IS NOT BOUND IN SUCH CIRCUMSTANCES..." 1 Cor 7:15.
Do U grasp what Paul said? If your spouse decides to quit your marriage (in spite of your sincere efforts to make your Union succeed),let her go. "Can two walk together except they agree? " Amos 3:3. Paul said " You are NOT BOUND IN SUCH CIRCUMSTANCES" to your run away spouse who elopes with some one else.. U are free to remarry. Go obtain a legal divorce & set yourself free.

U are actually the one who modify the holy scriptures to mislead others.
Imagine! One part of the marriage runs of with a younger model and the other part must stay unmarried until the run off part dies! Talk about not using one's brain.

I guess one part can just kill the run off part and remarry after run off is dead!
Christianity Etc › Re: Christ Mind by budaatum: 12:03am On Oct 08, 2018
vaxx:
On meta-ethics, I doubt he says anything.
Meta-ethics addresses questions such as "What is goodness?" and "How can we tell what is good from what is bad?", seeking to understand the nature of ethical properties and evaluations

I suggest you read the Gospels!
Politics › Re: Who Will Be The Best Running Mate Of Atiku Abubakar? by budaatum: 11:55pm On Oct 07, 2018
Anyone mention Daddy Freeze yet?
Christianity Etc › Re: Christ Mind by budaatum: 11:45pm On Oct 07, 2018
vaxx:
You budaatum is attributing the biblical Jesus to Socrates and Plato . I am assuming you are joking. It is like me saying ORUNMILA had so many deep insight explanation to most of the issues related to life and hence a philosopher. I actually don't think he will qualifiy unless I am being biased.( though he is consider a sage but will not be taking as a philosopher today )
Socrates and Orunmila… Putting Premium On Africa’s Indigenous Philosophy


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nrrpo4mxFkI
Christianity Etc › Re: Christ Mind by budaatum: 11:27pm On Oct 07, 2018
sonmvayina:
Just as JK Rowling depicts Harry Potter as a smart little wizard..

Make the connection your self,
JK Rowling s in this case will be Eusebius. The master forger..
Gibbon also wrote:

"It must be confessed that the ministers of the Catholic Church imitated the profane model which they were impatient to destroy. The most respectable bishops had persuaded themselves that the ignorant rustics would more cheerfully renounce the superstitions of Paganism if they found some resemblance, some compensation, in the bosom of Christianity. The religion of Constantine achieved in less than a century the final conquest of the Roman empire; but the victors themselves were insensibly subdued by the arts of their vanquished rivals" (Gibbon, Rome, vol. iii. p. 163).
Christianity Etc › Re: Christ Mind by budaatum: 10:55pm On Oct 07, 2018
vaxx:

You must learn to read to understand rather than speaking from spoiled faculty. I think it is important..
Christianity Etc › Re: Christ Mind by budaatum: 10:37pm On Oct 07, 2018
HappyPagan:
Not directly related to this, but I read this from sometime ago..



Link for the curious
There was an error with your link. I've corrected it above.

It is common for the doctrine of the new gods to be built on the ruins of the old, despite Christ alleged to have said, "you can't put new wines in old bottles". It in fact was literally the case that old bottles were always recycled. Who, after all could afford to throw them away?!

It is said that the Church had a policy of tagging Christianity on to indigenous religions and gods as it made them more acceptable to the locals. The Metropolitan Cathedral of the Assumption of the Most Blessed Virgin Mary into Heavens is a case in point. It was built atop the former Aztec sacred precinct where rituals and sacrifices dedicated to a pantheon of different deities were performed.

It might be what has been attempted with the bolt on of Christ to Yahweh, except the Yahweh idea could not be killed off, yet. It most likely is also why some Yorubas see Orunmila and Yahweh as the same entity despite them having almost nothing in common.
Christianity Etc › Re: Christ Mind by budaatum: 10:12pm On Oct 07, 2018
Akdegreat:
It's a pity that the true gospel of Christ have been mixed with several falsehoods, one would have a had time discerning truth with an open mind. Worthy of note, too, is the contradictory messages of Paul which cements the whole thing.
It's speaks volumes that Paul wrote majority of the New Testament gospel whereas Jesus, the center of it all, has no account to his credit.
Paul in my opinion, did a 'can't beat them so join them', except he went further and took over and thereby muddled up the teachings of Christ with his own spin. It's unfortunate that the two can't easily be separated.

By the way, I am amazed that others have the view we are expressing here. I know how much work I've had to do to get such an understanding so my respect for you and Pagan is immense. Hopefully we'd find others who share this view.
Christianity Etc › Re: Christ Mind by budaatum: 10:04pm On Oct 07, 2018
If Orunmila were understood beyond the level of divination we would say the same about it. There are many lessons taught by it that are on what could be called a philosophical level.

If you understood what I said about John 3:16, you would not be repeating me and think you were opposing what I said. Please go back and check and let me know. Otherwise, you might want to consider that this might be beyond your level of understanding and just shut up and learn. It does not diminish one if one is ignorant about some things.

vaxx:
lol...

You budaatum is attributing the biblical Jesus to Socrates and Plato . I am assuming you are joking. It is like me saying ORUNMILA had so many deep insight explanation to most of the issues related to life and hence a philosopher. I actually don't think he will qualifiy unless I am being biased.( though he is consider a sage but not will not be taking as a philosopher today )

Jesus idea was not unique, many religious leaders of his time across major tribes preaches similar idea. "" live your dammm business and follow me to go do my stuffs""

Jesus was silent on so many things. For example, he says nothing on creations, epistemology nko ? He says he is not here to change the law, so the idea that the people of his time understand God was assumed , even the idea of you can not come to daddy except me the son was not a rigourous logic. It failed flat. Permit me to say. John 3 vs 16 should have been taking from the bible. Whoever wrote it did a bad job and likewise
On meta-ethics, I doubt he says anything.

I believe he exist, the evidence is enough to convince me but there is no evidence that he was familiar with the rich body of work from earlier Greek philosophers (the famous three - Socrates, Plato and Aristotle - all lived way before Jesus)..who will have change his method or views of thinking.


Well, the bible depict him as a learned figure.
Christianity Etc › Re: Christ Mind by budaatum: 8:31pm On Oct 07, 2018
Akdegreat:
I agree with you here. I see Jesus as a freethinker! I likened him to Fela Kuti of our time in my last thread. He was vocal against oppressive authorities.
Jesus, the guru for the atheists! I personally love the guy. It's just so a pity that some deified him. About being 'born of the holy spirit' and not by Mary having sex! If anyone said that today, we'd laugh them right out of town, yet millions believe it. Unfortunately, its the one idea that blinds people from actually learning what he was about. They come up and claim "belief" is more important than "understanding", and despite Jesus saying continously, "do my will", people stick on what I would call the rogue John 3:16-21. Or isn't it obvious someone added that section and Jesus never said it?

The rulers of this world would do anything to make sure the veil they put up around Jesus stays in place. For if people truly understand him, they would realise they themselves are the gods! Those of us with this understanding should look for ways to promote it!
Christianity Etc › Re: Re-marriage When Ones Spouse Is Still Alive.. by budaatum: 7:55pm On Oct 07, 2018
Cyriloha:
Guy after divorce instead make you fk for baba God head for nothing de annoy him any how for nothing I think is better you marry and have your Holy sez in peace simple
Say that in Spanish. I'm sure I'd get you better.
Christianity Etc › Re: Christ Mind by budaatum: 7:45pm On Oct 07, 2018
HappyPagan:
I agree he wasn't. He was a remarkably smart motherfucker - weirdly, I think I appreciate his messages more as an atheist, than when I was Christian.

His parables can be quite profound if given deep thought.


His story is a very powerful one, if stripped of all the divine nonsense attached to it. His aggressors were his 'family', leaders who had abused the power privileged positions grant. He stood for the poor and weak in his society, told them to believe in themselves - taught them to seek God in private, in truth.. To find their own salvation.
Profound! I would go as far as arguing that he was atheistic to the beliefs of his day, and if they hadn't gone and wrapped him up in divine crap, Jesus would be beside the likes of Socrates, Plato and Aristotle. No one asks for them to be believed.

We atheists should perhaps learn to treat him like the philosopher teacher that he was, instead of the god the religious folks claim he is. And rather than "believe in him", perhaps we can teach them to learn from him instead.

You, sir, make my day by seeing what you see.

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