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Christianity Etc › Re: Young Christian Vs. Young Atheist: Who Is Really Mentally Weak by budaatum: 8:24pm On Feb 15, 2018

ScienceWatch:
Lol, what is that ?

It is a banned drug that my labourers used to take when they go and work in my farm. It makes them work like ten men but kills libido, their liver and them soon enough, so I had to ban them from using it and gave them super strength multivitamins instead until they started treating that like it was viagra.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Seun, Finally I Want To Give You An Undeniable Proof of God's Existence. by budaatum: 8:14pm On Feb 15, 2018

darkchild64:
d to weak me bro,christians day try sha,for me anything that doesn't make sense to me I will say it doesn't make sense,I don't care if it is sacrosanct or not,the holy Trinity stuff is funny

But you must find it in your heart to please forgive them, for they know nought about what they are talking about. Least they don't in this thread.

Christianity Etc › Re: What Will Happen If An Atheist Is The President Of Nigeria? by budaatum: 7:49pm On Feb 15, 2018

danvon:
Atheists are already leading Nigeria

Politician doe could say he believes Jesus is his savior and Idiots would vote for him

Words are one thing action is another

Nigerian politicians are mostly not atheists!

In fact, do you know what atheism is at all? Your post above makes me wonder! angry

Christianity Etc › Re: "I Was Counselling Him!!!"---pastor Caught In Car With Naked Man by budaatum: 7:47pm On Feb 15, 2018

Please update when they done in court.

Niflheim:
Gregory points out he had his clothes on during the alleged incident, so "there's no reason for me to be charged with open lewdness."

It appears police are content to let the courts sort it out, as both Gregory and the other man were due to receive the summons paperwork for their charges in the mail.

The link:...............................................................http://www.pennlive.com/daily-buzz/2018/02/pa_pastor_caught_by_cops_in_wi.html

Christianity Etc › Re: Seun, Finally I Want To Give You An Undeniable Proof of God's Existence. by budaatum: 7:40pm On Feb 15, 2018

hadow:
look at this: your human self is divided into three your spirit ,soul and body does that make u 3 persons or one

And imagine darkchild64, if your body were to pray to your spirit or soul, are they praying to the same, you?

Christianity Etc › Re: Why So Many Atheists On Nairaland Forum? by budaatum: 7:31pm On Feb 15, 2018

PastorAIO:
Well, we have run around a fair bit today. I had fun. I hope you did too.

"A RABOBOSHABATUKAMENEPOKORIPROKITI"

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Christianity Etc › Re: Seun Doesn't Exist by budaatum: 7:08pm On Feb 15, 2018

vaxx:
LOL....mr budaatum.. sciencewatch is actually reading this post..... i do not have the tools to place value on you. i can only assume....that is what i dey do o bross

Oh, I know. He's been letting me know in his newly found kind way. I think he's found a place in my heart somewhere with his recent discipline. Could you imagine what this thread would have been like with his paw print all over it! A bit longer and I'd have to open a thread expressing undying love for this new him. Don't tell him though. I will deny I wrote so!

Yea, assuming. I read somewhere about making asses of u and me. I should be cautious.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Seun Doesn't Exist by budaatum: 6:45pm On Feb 15, 2018

You bloody Russian Commy! Always coming up with the contrary view to that which the western world would brainwash people! The west after all does believe it can predict and place numerical/quantitative value on human behaviour.

No one disappoints buda o! (Are you placing value on buda, vaxx?) Even my gnat, Sciencewatch, whom I miss with my heart and soul as the dear pants for water does not reach such depths. We all learn something new here and should perhaps temper our supposedly infallible arrogance somewhat.

vaxx:
LOL, let me just clarify you out. all the research you have been reading about it are pseudoscience . and that is why advance country in Science like Russia go against it. if you are somehow close to scientific method , you will know it is difficult to study human and animal behavior...Science formulates testable theories that have more or less the same result whenever or wherever you do it (it is consistent and reliable). With human and animal behavior, you can't really put a numerical/quantitative value on human behavior. In other words, one cannot simply predict human behavior because it is just not as consistent or reliable.not to mention it is susceptible to cultural differences... i hope this should help you. AND PLEASE YOU NEED TO GROW IN YOUR ATHEISM..... you disappoint respectable folk like budaatum

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Christianity Etc › Re: Seun Doesn't Exist by budaatum: 6:25pm On Feb 15, 2018

OkCornel:
Lol...I hang my boots as per our conversation at this juncture

Respect!

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Christianity Etc › Re: God Doesn't Make Sense! by budaatum: 6:23pm On Feb 15, 2018

bennyann:
Hi dear,

Hmmmm

Anything beyond our mental capacity doesn't make sense until we get to the point of enlightenment or understanding. God is something beyond our mental capability. If He isn't, He wouldn't be God.

Sorry Bennyann, this is nothing to do with me, so forgive me butting in. The problem is that you claim something [is] beyond [y]our mental capability. And I am afraid I have to kindly inform you that that is not the truth, and that it is even written that a certain messiah guy called Jesus implied otherwise when he asked if you do not know you are gods, able to do even more than he is alleged to have done.

If you would bother to take a look at the Gospel according to Luke, you will find that the doctrine you refer to was imposed on some onto whom it was likened to the giving of stones and calling it bread.

The truth is that the Jesus whom some call god is said to have died, gone to hell, then to heaven and sent you the "mental capacity" with which to make "sense" and "reach the point of enlightenment and understanding".

Consider.

Again, with apologies.

Christianity Etc › Re: Seun Doesn't Exist by budaatum: 5:59pm On Feb 15, 2018

OkCornel:
Am I your daddy to give you permission?

Okay ooo...I no dey follow you quarrel ooo...

You are free to do whatever you want...life goes on

Thank you, though I repeat, your permission is not required, daddy buda. grin

Christianity Etc › Re: Seun Doesn't Exist by budaatum: 5:56pm On Feb 15, 2018

You don't need to apologise for anything. I'm only letting you know is all. Like I said in a previous thread, it is for me to deal with stuff. I'm grown up enough to.

OkCornel:
Stick to the bigger picture...is it a man and woman having sex the way nature expects them to? i.e. sex organs in contact with each other for pleasure?

Nature is not some god that dictates how one lives ones life.

That said, homosexuals would argue with you that their preference for same gender sexual partners is dictated to them by their nature. They will tell you that not only are they not attracted to women, but that they cannot get or maintain a hard on with one.

I guess its like common sense. Not common at all, in that it kind of does a different nature for different folks kind of thing.

Christianity Etc › Re: Seun Doesn't Exist by budaatum: 5:48pm On Feb 15, 2018

OkCornel:
Yeah sure...but does it mean what you are doing is the natural thing to do?

You can as well get a sex doll and do the same thing...it's your choice...and it's your life. No one is stopping you...carry on

Like I said, there is no common in senses. It is ones choice and ones life. Yes, it would be natural to me if I were that way inclined. It would be unnatural to me if I were that way inclined to have sex with a different to my gender person or a sex doll. And no, a sex doll is not the same thing. But if I want to do it with a sex doll, I will thank you.

And don't go telling me to "Carry on". Your permission is not required!

Christianity Etc › Re: Seun Doesn't Exist by budaatum: 5:39pm On Feb 15, 2018

OkCornel:
Sleeping with a man just as a man raping a woman is not right.

I do not validate rape...but even nature has it designed it such that a woman can conceive through that means...but can life be conceived through homosexuality? NOPE!

Before you get emotional on the rape issue...you can also blame nature for allowing women to conceive through that means instead of criticizing and blaming the sexual perverts and child molesters for such an terrible thing...

There you go again, insulting my intelligence like you did on the garden of eden thread! You know it offends me. I am informing you only because you said it wasn't your intention. I can say you are being emotional, even way more than I am, with your "Sleeping with a man just as a man raping a woman is not right." There just is no need to say such things unless the intention is to be condescending and patronising towards you. Do mind, if you care.

I have said in one of my previouses that sex, even between heterosexuals, is not always, or mostly, done in order to reproduce. I don't know if you are of the age yet, but if you are or when you become, you will find that a lot of sex that you have will not produce, and at times you would intentionally ensure it does not produce. Do tell if you know this to be wrong.

Now, regarding sexual pervertion. Some people put the private bits of their non-same gender partners in their mouths. Some make their partner assume doggy posture and take them from the rear. Some rub their partners with whip cream, while some use condoms. Would I be wrong in claiming all I have listed above is perverse to some? Do people not do these things anyway?

Sex in some manner or form may be perverse to some, and it is within their right not to participate in such acts. But unless you intend to police my bedroom, whatever I worship in there, provided it has not been deemed illegal by the appropriate authorities, is none of anyones business!

Christianity Etc › Re: Seun Doesn't Exist by budaatum: 5:18pm On Feb 15, 2018

OkCornel:
If you engage in self destructive habits or what opposes natural norms...it's your choice, but when one goes around misleading others into such errors...then that's going overboard and is totally wrong...

Yes, I agree. If I worship a god that does not exist according to some, that's my problem. But if I go about telling others to worship my god that doesn't exist, I would go even further and say I am being evil!

Oh, but we are not talking religion. My bad!

If I bring a same gender adult person into my bedroom of her own free will and we took off our clothes and we fuqed, that's our problem. But if I went about selling same gender sex to minors or kidnapped people, dragged them into my bedroom and raped them, then I am being evil and should have my womb torn out when I get caught.

Christianity Etc › Re: Seun Doesn't Exist by budaatum: 5:11pm On Feb 15, 2018

OkCornel:
Per the bolded, let's look at it this way.

Having sexual urge is natural, but going to rape a donkey because of sexual urge...is it natural? NOPE...same goes for homosexuality...

You mean, "lets see it this way", as in according to your senses, which you are trying to make out is some sort of common sense!?

(vaxx, see that obj/sub thing again?)

Well, you may look at it like that, but that's not how it is at all!

If a man rapes another man, he is treated the same as if he raped a woman or a donkey. It is not the same as if a man comes up to another male and says, "another male, you wanna fuq?" It would only be rape if the another male says, "No, thank you", and the man forces himself on the another male!

Christianity Etc › Re: Seun Doesn't Exist by budaatum: 4:54pm On Feb 15, 2018

OkCornel:
I am not talking of god or religion here.

Just educate us on the benefits of homosexuality...and the benefits (if any) outweighs the cost...

Neither am I talking about god. I don't have to educate you about what I do in the privacy of my bedroom or the benefits (if any) I derive from doing what I do there!

Hopefully you do not see my bedroom acts like I was stupid and eating broken glass. I would not do what I do if I did not benefit from it. And even if I chose to eat broken glass, it must be because I see a benefit in so doing, even if the result is my demise.

Christianity Etc › Re: Seun Doesn't Exist by budaatum: 4:48pm On Feb 15, 2018

tintingz:
Then was Homosexuality invented, was the pleasure invented?

Study even shows some people born in strictly heterosexual community are Homosexuals e.g Saudi Arabia.

This is off-point, but perhaps it may help. Saudi Arabia is not a "strictly heterosexual community". The lack of opportunity for its citizens to express themselves sexually with women has caused some to express homosexually. The syndrome is like one found in prisons where the deficiency in other gender people creates an environment for same gender sexual expression.

Essentially, homosexuality, in such societies, is a social construct. It is necessitated by the lack of alternatives in the society.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Seun Doesn't Exist by budaatum: 4:34pm On Feb 15, 2018

OkCornel:
So what value does homosexuality add to the system? Does the benefits (if any) outweigh the demerits?

To the system? What system? My private system perhaps?

My god worship is part of my system. The benefits, or and demerits are part of my system. Or am I dubiously overlooking where I invited you into my system? Did I ask you to bend over and worship my god? Please remind me if I did so that I can offer my most sincere apologies for expanding my system to include you in it. I will also by force have to respond to your question. I promise.

Otherwise, I do not have to show you the value of my worshipping. What I do with my right hand is of no business to those of you on the left!

Christianity Etc › Re: Seun Doesn't Exist by budaatum: 4:10pm On Feb 15, 2018*

tintingz:
I never talked about "perfectedness" or "perfection", my argument is based on what's natural in this our natural world.

Like I said in my very previous post, I said natural is not a must to be positive, there are negative things that are also natural.

I know, and agree. But their argument is of "existence by nature", and not its negativity or positivity (though, it was butter who brought in the idea that nature is positive, which led to the red heron they handed you).

Clouds would be natural, the rain would be natural, tsunamis would be natural, but am I natural, as in do I exist by nature? (That's perhaps a tricky one). Does a car exist by nature? Does a website exist by nature?

As to whether my sexuality is by nature is of a different order however. As mentioned, the jury is out on whether I chose or was born to prefer certain people.

Christianity Etc › Re: Seun Doesn't Exist by budaatum: 4:01pm On Feb 15, 2018

butterflyl1on:
But tintingz says he has made no error.

According to his senses, he has not made one. And vaxx is dealing with him. It is by the way one of vaxx's virtues to patiently dig these things out.

Asking seun to provide evidence for his existence, and treating his existence like that of god, is a grave error, and comical at the least.

Christianity Etc › Re: Seun Doesn't Exist by budaatum: 3:56pm On Feb 15, 2018

OkCornel:
If it is your sense...then it is not common sense per se...

I maintain that homosexuality adds no value to humanity...or are you aware of any benefits you might want to share?

All sense is the sense of the individual. Just check through this thread to see how uncommon our senses really are. And where do you get the idea that humanity is considered in all one does?

You can maintain whatever you like about my god worship with your sense. But the sense of the homosexual says otherwise to him. And it is rather delusional to assume he has to give a flying fuq about your "humanity" or does not derive a benefit from his homosexuality.

The fact one worships gods does not mean one is brainless!

Christianity Etc › Re: Seun Doesn't Exist by budaatum: 3:47pm On Feb 15, 2018

butterflyl1on:
Exactly. So if they made perfectly natural advances toward you would it repulse you?

Remember you exist so you are perfectly natural.
They exist so they are also perfectly natural.

If it repulse you, why?

The fact that I exist does not imply any sort of natural perfectedness. That was tintingz error, which vaxx is dealing with.

And I said, I am not repulsed by them, I just am not attracted to all of them. And if I was made advances towards by one of those who don't attract me my response would be a simple, "Sorry, I am not attracted to you".

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Christianity Etc › Re: Seun Doesn't Exist by budaatum: 3:37pm On Feb 15, 2018

OkCornel:
Thumbs up then...it is a matter of choice...but then not every choice ends up to be the right one.

What counts here is sticking to common sense...

If my god created me, and I believe in my god, and I worship my god, and will die one day and go to my god, please tell me why you should be displeased with my wrong choice of incessant tithing and praying and worshipping. Did I ask you to worship with me?

You can find it funny if you want, why should I care? Just please don't talk to me about common sense as if sense is common or something communal! It is my sense, and it can be nonsense if I want it to be as long as I am not asking you to bend over for me!

Do remember that if I forced you, its rape!

Christianity Etc › Re: Seun Doesn't Exist by budaatum: 3:22pm On Feb 15, 2018

butterflyl1on:
But it's perfectly natural according to tintingz

Why would you reject such advances when its perfectly ~~innocent~~ and natural ?

I hate adjectives. They are a needless device used to modify a point to give credence where none exists. They are like what you said about unnecessary smilies some time ago. So, I deleted your 'innocent'. Besides, I don't think there is anything innocent about it.

Say, I like women. Is it unnatural of me to reject the advances of some women, or should my like for women make all women appeal to me?

butterflyl1on:
Does the thought of it repulse you? If yes, why?

It doesn't repulse me. The gods people worship in their private sphere has nothing to do with me. It only offends me when they come on a public forum and claim my not joining in in believing as they do makes me a fool!

Christianity Etc › Re: Seun Doesn't Exist by budaatum: 3:13pm On Feb 15, 2018

Very observant of you!

vaxx:
GOOD...... THIS IS WHAT YOU ARE SAYING....

if cyber attack is not not natural , cyber attack will not have existed...
if explosion is not not natural , explosion will not have existed..
IF blackout is not natural ,power service disruption will not have existed...
if hazardous is not natural. hazardous material will not have existed.
if nairaland is not natural, nairaland will not have existed....
if Nigeria is not natural, NIGERIA will not have existed.
if bestiality is not natural, bestiality will not have existed...
if LGBT is not natural, LGBT will not have existed... to be continue...... enough of your flaws......

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Christianity Etc › Re: Seun Doesn't Exist by budaatum: 3:11pm On Feb 15, 2018

butterflyl1on:
Two same gender people naturally cannot reproduce so your argument is self refuting.

The question is, why would "nature" as it were give you a phallus and another man a phallus and and you prefer sticking this phallus up each others poop exit despite knowing fully well that there are women specifically designed to accommodate your phallus in the most mind blowing way?

Do you sometimes feel attracted to men budaatum?

Sex is not solely for reproduction. Most people don't have sex to reproduce and most sex acts aren't even for that purpose. Also, some men stick their phallus in a woman's mouth and some stick it in her rear end. Some even cut the damn thing off!

Nature, basically, may have given the phallus, but it does not get to legislate what its receiver uses it for.

I ignore your second question. What I do with my kitten is none of your business.

Christianity Etc › Re: Seun Doesn't Exist by budaatum: 3:05pm On Feb 15, 2018

OkCornel:
And what brings about inclination to homosexuality?

It's a matter of choice...and not the way nature designed you to...

There is argument about this. Some say its by choice and some say its by nature and they are born that way. Some even claim there is a gene for it. The jury, as far as I am concerned, is still out. Though I lean towards it being by socialisation, and sometimes by choice. I do not agree that one is born gay.

Christianity Etc › Re: Seun Doesn't Exist by budaatum: 3:02pm On Feb 15, 2018

OkCornel:
Yeah, I would have addressed those issues as well. But let us ask ourselves, how did nature design the act of sex to be?

Insertion of the key into the padlock bro... any other thing is kicking penalty to throw-in...

If the key did not fit into the hole, the act itself would by nature be impossible. It fits, by 'natural design'?!

That's just to debunk your analogy by the way.

Christianity Etc › Re: Seun Doesn't Exist by budaatum: 2:58pm On Feb 15, 2018

butterflyl1on:
Tintingz says the nazis who eradicated the Jews existed and they couldn't have existed if it wasn't natural.

Same way homosexuality wouldn't exist if it wasn't natural.

Argue with tintingz

A flaw in tintingz thinking. Though I don't recall tintingz mentioning nazis. That said, the attitude of the nazis is natural amongst humans. Every group of people wants to eradicate the group of people who are different to themselves. But that does not make it a good thing.

Christianity Etc › Re: Seun Doesn't Exist by budaatum: 2:53pm On Feb 15, 2018

OkCornel:
You didn't get my analogy...ideas and thoughts are contagious...

I ain't spreading hatred here...I am attacking the idea, not the person...

Yeah. That's what we say. "We don't hate the homosexual person, we just hate the act of homosexuality". But what exactly do we eliminate when we attempt to eliminate the latter? The former, of course!

Christianity Etc › Re: Seun Doesn't Exist by budaatum: 2:45pm On Feb 15, 2018

butterflyl1on:
Perhaps you can design a zipper on the stomach of a woman so when she is due for delivery you just zip it open and bring out the baby.

We have already done this, in a way. It's called a Caesarian Section!

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