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Christianity Etc › Re: The Gospel Of John - A Study by budaatum(op): 1:12am On Feb 17, 2018
MuttleyLaff:
What's the correlation between
"The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us"
and
Behold, the Fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil!
The first mention of consciousness of the being in the Yahweh Book was when Adam and Eve ate the fruit of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil.

I am proposing that when it is written that "The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth", that we are being made conscious of things again, just like Adam and Eve were.
Christianity Etc › Re: Seun Doesn't Exist by budaatum:
vaxx:
lol so you accept wiki is not an evidence now, all because i counter it when an atheist use it against cnspedia. shenekah, wetin man know go see for nairaland....
You said wiki was subjective. I then found, to my chagrin, that it did not mention that a prominent writer had committed suicide! The evidence you provided was verified by objective fact so I have no choice but to adjust my thinking regarding it and have done so.

vaxx:
science rely heavily on axioms, please do me a favor to learn here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axiom. i can not know more than wiki...
Lol
An axiom or postulate is a statement that is taken to be true, to serve as a premise or starting point for further reasoning and arguments. The word comes from the Greek axíōma (ἀξίωμα) 'that which is thought worthy or fit' or 'that which commends itself as evident.'[1][2]

An axiom is not true, it is only taken to be true as a starting point. This is where falsifiability come in. The scientist works on the premise that a thing is so then tries to find ways to debunk the premise.

A bad scientist, on the other hand, assumes an axiom, or premise, is true, and refuses to check if it is true or not, and refuses to acknowledge or accept any evidence that contradicts the assumed premise.

vaxx:
Technology concept is first developed in thought and then translate to physical evidence ....
The axioms are first developed, by thought, in the mind. The axioms are then tested to check if they hold true. If they do hold true, they then form the basis on which a scientist may base faith on.

I think that an axiom is so. I check whether said axiom is as I think it is. if I find axiom to be as I thought axiom was, I have faith that axiom is so. And if I find axiom not to be as I assumed axiom might be, I have faith that axiomis not so. Either ways, I should keep checking axiom to solidify my faith further, including asking why I assumed axiom was so in the first place.

vaxx:
how can you proof the abstract mathematics formula, who invented them ..... science work with presuppose formula at hands , how can you proof them? please try and read about the axioms?.
Say, I want to build a bridge. I first observe where the bridge will go, check the span it would cover, the depth, width, consider the weights it will carry and how long my bridge will be in place. I then go do some mathematics (you may consider it abstract or not, if you want, but the fact that I took it from my observations mean its not exactly the bridge). My observations and mathematical formulas will inform the parameters by which my final built bridge might meet my expectations.

It is after all written, do not embark on a project without first considering the outcome. Besides, even God is said to have taken readings when it is written "His face hovered over the deep".

I read wiki. You convinced me on that one.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Gospel Of John - A Study by budaatum(op): 12:20am On Feb 17, 2018
ScienceWatch:
I enjoy my breaks away from Nairaland, it gives me much needed time to communicate with more enlightened Atheists on other internet platforms.

Your topic, " The Gospel Of John - A Study" is sadly stagnant for obvious reasons, it is the most powerful book/gospel on the reality of the spirit world of LIGHT. There is no room for darkness. Did you expect Atheists to flock to this topic? Atheists are tired after consistently displaying their foolishness.

I may be wrong, but I sense an unusual humility in you and that you may have a genuine higher interest in The Gospel of John which is unusual for an Atheist. If that is the case I can make a meaningful contribution to this topic.
Stagnant? Hmmmmm

I expected no one else but you to contribute to this thread! As to others, if the Gospel has Power, why should I have to bother if they flock or not?

Lets call it our bedroom for you and I until others arrive and turn it into the living room.
Christianity Etc › Re: Seun Doesn't Exist by budaatum: 12:08am On Feb 17, 2018
vaxx:
i suggest the theory should be change to evolution of the universe instead of the big bang why? The big bang theory doesn't address the creation of the universe, but rather the evolution of it. and likewise the laws of science break down as we approach the creation of the universe because it has no empirical evidence to rest upon....and this is the same reason quantum equation prediction on the universe being eternal is not grounded objectively in the physicist community. both evidence to me are conflating......
I'm in support.
Christianity Etc › Re: Seun Doesn't Exist by budaatum: 12:08am On Feb 17, 2018
MuttleyLaff:
Let's have a quick game now
Invite WheezingLaff, as your setting declined invites from me
Yeah, I'm set not to accept challenges from people with less than a certain number of games.

On garde! And good luck.
Christianity Etc › Re: Seun Doesn't Exist by budaatum: 12:04am On Feb 17, 2018
ScienceWatch:
Lol, I think it is the modified type. ROTFL your love knows no bounds.
Don't mind vaxx. He saw me using proven science to cry my eyes out when you were away, now he wants to claim my love is fake!

Just can't trust some people eh!
Christianity Etc › Re: Seun Doesn't Exist by budaatum: 11:58pm On Feb 16, 2018
MuttleyLaff:
Budaatum take up the gauntlet thrown at Gameknot
Which gauntlet? Me no see it!
Christianity Etc › Re: Seun Doesn't Exist by budaatum:
Ronpet777:
Wot u term save, is a very subjective term, because death can be bad and yet a blessing. God doesn't see death d way u see it. Death is birth for a true believer but torment for a God hater. Tell me y u reject God. When all he commands us is d display of love, kindness, humility, forgiveness, generosity.
My ordinary Surgeon at Lewisham Hospital could not sleep when I was unable to walk. You would think I was her child, the way she was always there even coming to check up on me at 3am in the morning and every 3 months for the past 2 years. Seems like she cares more than that which you describe above! Maybe god should consider how it sees me?!
Christianity Etc › Re: Seun Doesn't Exist by budaatum:
Please ZirdoRoray, answer anybody you want and don't let anyone bully you. The Creator of Nairaland used technology to create a platform to enable you to use your voice. Those who don't like it should shut their eye so they can't see you! Welcome to the conversation.

ZirdoRoray:
It was a mistake. I wanted to reply another post. Global warming is a thing of the past. As at late last year, continued declines in ozone depleting emissions are expected to result in a near complete recovery of the ozone layer near themiddle of the 21st century. The long time scale for this recovery is due to the slow rate at which ODS are removed from the atmosphere by natural processes. More so the ozone repletion project is on.
Read extensively and you will see that scientists donot expect a successfull colonization of mars any time soon instead the idea will birth more advanced technology to raise the standard of living at result of trying to conquer world with harsh environmental onditions.
Christianity Etc › Re: Seun Doesn't Exist by budaatum: 11:26pm On Feb 16, 2018
Oderibah:
I repeat u are wasting ur time seun himself said dere is no penalty if u don’t post vin but u are here carrying d matter on ur crooked head as if Na u get d site meanwhile seun is aware of everything happening on his website he doesn’t need ur help if he needed ur help he for make u moderator on autos section which will be ur dream come true
I pray that god considers making him a moderator. Ami
Christianity Etc › Re: Seun Doesn't Exist by budaatum: 11:19pm On Feb 16, 2018
vaxx:
ok i will....since we all have different perspective , science work with axioms which aid in experimental of data and logical deduction . these axioms can not be prove and without it science will be meaningless...
Do you perhaps mean, science of the philosophical sort, the speculations of science, "can not be proved"?

Or science as applied, the modifying type that I use to express my undying love for ScienceWatch wherever in the world he is, "can not be proved"?

Do understand that it is the axioms from the speculative sort that on testing and found to be so, as in proven to be as speculated, that form technology. And those that are proven not to work are abandoned?

vaxx:
If you a lover of Scientific procedure and you do not understand how all scientific findings rest on a foundation of unprovable assumptions, the axioms, then there is a big gap in your basic understanding of how Science works. the starting point of science investigation is rested on assumptions.... there is a coined name for it . it is called hypothesis.
Then there is a big gap in my understanding. Which I would like you to help me fill.

Science, as I know it, is not built on "unprovable assumptions". If anyone came up with an assumption and claims it has anything to do with science, all the other scientists will by nature all scream, "Prove it", or they would not give you the time of day. They will then check your evidence using methods that scientist have agreed to use check such assumption to see if your assumption is true, possible, or false. They will then discard the outright false, work on the possible, and use the true in advancing technology.

vaxx:
This assumptions is rested on two gigantic faith principle... it goes thus

1 Principle of intelligibility (that secrets of nature can be unlocked by human mind).

2 Principle of objectification. (that all of human experience can be objectified).

so whenever uncertain principle are discover , science suffer a major blow..... for example why is big bang not repeatable, why does it happen once. instead of continues time and so on

You can read further from here ......http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What_Is_This_Thing_Called_Science%3F
I do not know science to claim it knows everything about nature, or that all human behaviour can be objectified. In fact, science as I know it, would tell you there is a lot we don't know, and a lot more that we might never know, and that one can't completely know another humans subjective.

Sorry. This is not some wiki stuff. We have identified it suffers from subjective bias, and I've already fallen for that recently. Ask Ronpett777.
Christianity Etc › Re: Seun Doesn't Exist by budaatum: 10:50pm On Feb 16, 2018
ScienceWatch:
Yes, long time no see. I will never use a hammer on you BudaAtum. I trust all is well with you. From what i see you are educating Atheists to be truth seekers instead of truth destroyers. Well done.
Not just atheists, and not that I, teach. All of us must seek the truth and destroyeth it not. Brings up what one wise person once asked though. What is the truth?

See! You ain't been back already, screwing my head!!

Welcome back ScienceWatch. You were missed!
Christianity Etc › Re: Seun Doesn't Exist by budaatum: 6:09pm On Feb 16, 2018
ScienceWatch:
Are you really an enlightened one? Did you post the topic "The Gospel Of John - A Study?" I dare any intelligent Atheist to give a better idea of God than John.
I am trying to pinch you to see if you are responding. Wake up from your slumber and look around you. Christianity is rapidly growing world wide because of the tons of scientifically verifiable evidence that John's Gospel and all the gospels contained in the Holy Bible written more than 2000 years ago is true.

God said, "Let there be light." Scientists have long agreed that everything material is made of light.
O lo lu fẹ ẹ mi atata. O tọ'jọ meta. Ni bo lo lọ ti a ko fi ri ọ? K'abọ.
Christianity Etc › Re: Seun Doesn't Exist by budaatum: 5:58pm On Feb 16, 2018
vaxx:
can you prove faith knows nothing.... i will be waiting... lets start with that first?
No! We already have a start. Let us not confuse ourselves by creating another start!

You said, "what if i say science evidence is rested on faith".

I said, "explain".
Christianity Etc › Re: Seun Doesn't Exist by budaatum: 5:42pm On Feb 16, 2018
vaxx:
FAITH knows , logic thinks
Faith knows nothing! Those who have faith have just, assumed knowledge, mostly based on the little they actually know. What they do is take their insignificant amount of unquestioned accepted facts as the truth of things, and nothing but the truth.

Logic is the art of thinking. I don't know about you, but when I'm thinking of something, I am learning. And when I'm learning, I don't have to assume anymore. I know. That's what I think conscious people do; they think, and thereby, learn.

Logic ensures the limits of what is known keeps getting busted. It allows the 'what we knows', to increase. "Do not build you thought on unsound foundations", after, all says the word?!

First you threw the 'definition of nature' thing at me, then, "you don't know what faith means, buda", now you flinging logic too. Are you trying to distract from explaining, vaxx?
Christianity Etc › Re: Seun Doesn't Exist by budaatum: 4:35pm On Feb 16, 2018
sonofluc1fer:
Most Nigerian Christians are unable to divorce God from the Bible. Their 'idea' of God is strictly 'scriptural'. Whatever doesn't conform to that is worthless and has no lasting meaning.

That's what the Bible says.
No. That's just how 'they' understand it, or chose to see it. The Bible itself says nothing!

Or, has the Trinity now become a Quarternity and I missed the memo?
Christianity Etc › Re: Seun Doesn't Exist by budaatum: 4:30pm On Feb 16, 2018
vaxx:
i will reply you when you stop applying your religious line of thought to the definition of the word faith..... it shows you are still a christian anyway. i challenge you to think out of the box and do net let bible , Quran and science be your limit...
I don't stink. Stop assuming you know the poo in my head!

Give me the definition of faith you want me to work with.
Christianity Etc › Re: Seun Doesn't Exist by budaatum: 3:47pm On Feb 16, 2018
vaxx:
what if i say science evidence is rested on faith
I'll say, "explain yourself".

So, explain yourself please.

Vaxx, how is "Science evidence rested on faith"?
Christianity Etc › Re: Seun Doesn't Exist by budaatum: 2:03pm On Feb 16, 2018
sonofluc1fer:
Most Nigerian Christians are unable to divorce God from the Bible. Their 'idea' of God is strictly 'scriptural'. Whatever doesn't conform to that is worthless and has no lasting meaning.

That's what the Bible says.
There was a time that comment of mine would fly right over people's minds, but here you are getting what is meant, O Ye Prince of a New Dawn, nourisher by the Fruit that opens the eye!

The day will come when those "Most Nigerian Christians", will become extinct. A new dawn would arise with a people imbued with a better idea of Gods, well prepared to build the new Jerusalem. And at that time, a voice would be heard saying "Let there be enlightenment", and there will be Enlightenment. And it will be good. For it is the first step.
Christianity Etc › Re: Seun Doesn't Exist by budaatum: 1:52pm On Feb 16, 2018
vaxx:
faith is more powerful than logic
Yes, look how faith moves mountains, while that lazy useless science (which is based on rational thought, which underpins logic), just allows me to type words on a device and the entire world gets to read them!
Christianity Etc › Re: Seun Doesn't Exist by budaatum: 1:48pm On Feb 16, 2018
Seun:
If God owned Nairaland, he would not operate any account on Nairaland.

He would communicate the rules by sending anonymous messages to random members, the chosen.

The rules presented by each chosen member would contradict the rules presented by the others.

There would be no way of knowing which chosen member had the correct rules.

People would just choose to follow whichever rules the person who invited them to the forum happened to follow.

There would be brutal thread-wars between the people following different sets of rules.

For each set of rules given by the chosen members, there would be multiple interpretations by random members.

The interpreters would claim to have received anonymous clues from the owner which they used to interpret the rules.

There would be brutal thread-wars between people following different interpretations of each set of rules.

Most of the chosen would have deleted their accounts and all posts in which they originally presented their rules.

There would be multiple versions of each set of rules floating about, with no way of knowing if any is correct.

People who break the rules won't be banned, because the chosen and the interpreters won't have any actual powers.

Interpreters will threaten those who break their rules that the owner will kill them after they deactivate their accounts.

The most famous interpreter will say that all rules are equally important: typos and posting porn pictures are the same.

That all members have broken the rules, so they deserve to be killed by the owner after they deactivate their accounts.

But there's good news: the owner's son joined the forum, and he presented his own version of the rules.

Though he was the only member who never broke any rule, his account was deactivated for the sins of the rule-breakers.

But the account was reactivated later and he was not killed because he was found to be innocent of rule-breaking.

And after his account was reactivated, he sent anonymous messages to some interpreters who are no longer active.

Therefore any rule-breaker who believes that the owner's son's account was deactivated for his errors shall not be killed!

The owner created a new forum, much better than Nairaland, which his son's believers shall be invited to any time now.

The son's profile was transferred to the new forum 3 minutes after reactivation, which is why it cannot be viewed.

But some members recall that some members said that some interpreters said they saw the son's reactivated profile.

What a mess.
With one flimsy correction


The owner will one day create a new forum, much better than Nairaland, which his son's believers shall be invited to any time now.
Christianity Etc › Re: Seun Doesn't Exist by budaatum: 1:42pm On Feb 16, 2018
AngelicBeing:
Seun, you will use Nairaland to promote the gospel of Christ very soon, if you don't, God will flog you into obedience grin
To the Gospel of Enlightenment
Ami, amen
Christianity Etc › Re: Seun Doesn't Exist by budaatum: 1:38pm On Feb 16, 2018
ReinaFarine:
I am a theist... I believe in God and his existence.. I believe there is more to life than science explains... I don't know who that God is.... I'd like to think he goes by YHWH.. But I might be wrong... And until I am proven wrong I would be true to my belief in him... Simply because it gibes me peace and gives me enough brain space to worry about my purpose and leave the my origin story to HIM. But saying if the only reason for believing in Seun existence is because of nairaland is a little dumb (no offense) because, before nairaland seun existed. He was doing other things.. After Nairaland, he is still going to exist and do other things..
Heck let's go with your logic... Nairaland is seun's creation, seun is God's creation and God is The Kwasteris creation and I created the Kwasteris making it an Egg and Chicken situation.... Who is to disprove that the Kwasteris that might be the rays of my sight (since the universe is through the word of His mouth) didn't create God. He exists and the rays of my sight exists end of story.
I believe in God because of the peace I feel from my believe in him. Not because I exist or nature or anything... I feel better leaving the theory of my existence to the abstract... And until I'm proven otherwise.. I'm cool with that..

I am reinafarine the creator of Kwasteris.
I like honest and sincere people. I'm cool with you.
Christianity Etc › Re: Seun Doesn't Exist by budaatum: 1:32pm On Feb 16, 2018
Tohzara:
.......still stuck in the 15th century. grin
And the reason for our nation's behindedness.
Christianity Etc › Re: How Do I Know If The Words Am Hearing In My Head Is From God? by budaatum: 1:21am On Feb 16, 2018
Frankicent:
You stupid dick... You'll be schizophrenic.. Cunt.
Is this part of your symptoms? Did you hear a voice before, during or after you wrote this?
Christianity Etc › Re: Seun Doesn't Exist by budaatum: 11:11pm On Feb 15, 2018
vaxx:
your friend is scientific decline..... The word natural in scientific perspective has a different meaning from the general acceptance ......pls try to verify the scientific meaning...... It is different....
'My friend' has not said what I posted is not what was meant. However, please post the meaning you mean. People will learn from it.
Christianity Etc › Re: Seun Doesn't Exist by budaatum: 10:34pm On Feb 15, 2018
bingbagbo:
if even nairaland has a creator, how could the universe be as a result of an accident? i mean how?


the design of the universe is not debatable .

This Universe obviously has a creator, he is alive, he speaks, he lives forever, seek him, his name is YHWH (IESUS KRISTOS) The First and the LAst cool
Butterflyl1on, I have never heard you use such a childish (adjective!) argument for proving the existence of a god. Did I miss it perhaps?
Christianity Etc › Re: Seun Doesn't Exist by budaatum: 10:30pm On Feb 15, 2018
butterflyl1on:
And I have told you that in the larger scheme of things natural "disasters" as it were are not disasters afterall but are actually beneficial to our planet and in fact those "disasters" as you term them are what are keeping this earth going and you alive in it.
That's your view. From your perspective. Or from the perspective of 'our planet', if it can be said to have a perspective.

The old lady (a great grandma, who nurtured her 3 sons and 2 daughters, who all married and educated their 21 children, who all married and gave birth to 43 children, of which 19 are married with 31 children), who lost them all including her husband in the natural tsunami disaster, is not going to agree that it was beneficial to her!
Christianity Etc › Re: Seun Doesn't Exist by budaatum: 10:20pm On Feb 15, 2018
tintingz:
SMH.

Everything that is beyond human invention is what I'm talking about. Natural does not mean it must be positive, it can be negative to us e.g Natural disasters.
natural/ˈnatʃ(ə)r(ə)l/
adjective
existing in or derived from nature; not made or caused by humankind.
in accordance with the nature of, or circumstances surrounding, someone or something.
(of a parent or child) related by blood.
(of a note) not sharp or flat.
relating to earthly human or physical nature as distinct from the spiritual or supernatural realm.
(of a bid) straightforwardly reflecting one's holding of cards.
noun
a person having an innate talent for a particular task or activity.
a sign (♮) denoting a natural note when a previous sign or the key signature would otherwise demand a sharp or a flat.
an off-white colour.
a hand of cards, throw of dice, or other result which wins immediately, in particular:
an insect or other small creature used as bait, rather than an artificial imitation.
a person born with a learning disability.
Christianity Etc › Re: Seun Doesn't Exist by budaatum: 10:19pm On Feb 15, 2018
Dp!
Christianity Etc › Re: Speaking In Tongue; A Great Lie By Olakunle Allison by budaatum: 9:16pm On Feb 15, 2018
jamescross:
you will again quote half my post an try to take it round and round just to go in circles, in chess it's trying to be tricky and play for a draw.
Hey, in chess, its kosher to play for a draw. One does it in order not to rack up a loss! I may hate when one draws a game on me, for they'd only go for a draw if they were likely to lose. I love when I get a draw though, because it saved me from losing.

But chess is a rather different kettle of fish to what we do here. Here don't have the nicely laid out established rules of chess!

If anyone wants a game, join me on gameknot. Its free to play.
Christianity Etc › Re: Speaking In Tongue; A Great Lie By Olakunle Allison by budaatum: 8:58pm On Feb 15, 2018
MuttleyLaff:
Now I am not going to live it down
You ol, man!

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